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  • Guerin Saw All the Cards In the Original Addison Trade and Still Folded


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    Tom Schreier

     

    Bill Guerin laid out his logic for trading Calen Addison to the San Jose Sharks for a fifth-round pick and prospect Adam Raska. They knew what they had in Addison and no longer needed his specific skill set. “It’s not a knock on Calen,” he insisted. “It’s just a change in direction. Calen’s a good player. But he's got 100 games in the league now, and we felt we know what he is for us, and that's not to say that's the finished product. But what we need right now is something different.”

    Guerin felt that the Minnesota Wild needed defense, and who’s to argue with him? Marc-Andre Fleury and Filip Gustavsson have been inconsistent in net, and Minnesota’s defense has constantly put them in difficult spots. Therefore, he had traded a seventh-rounder to the Tampa Bay Lightning for veteran Zach Bogosian, who fills an immediate need.

    "We've been giving up way too many chances," Guerin said. "We need to shift our way of thinking a bit and protect our goaltenders. We have good goaltending, but goaltending doesn't matter if you just hang them out to dry.

    "The last couple of games we've been a lot better at that, and I think Zach will bring some improvement in that area."

    That all adds up, assuming you think this team is going anywhere. Guerin is prioritizing the present over the future with this trade. The Wild need defense now, and they have Brock Faber to run the power play – Addison’s strongest skill. Furthermore, Jared Spurgeon returned to the lineup on Friday. Minnesota needed a bigger defenseman for the third pairing, and 6’3”, 230 lbs. Bogosian brings size.

    However, the Wild have lost three straight games since trading Addison to San Jose. They lost to New York Rangers (4-1) and the Buffalo Sabres (3-2) on the road, then the Dallas Stars blew them out 8-3 at home. It’s not as though Minnesota was rolling before the Addison trade, either. They had lost four straight and six of their last seven before beating the Rangers in a shootout at home and the New York Islanders to start their road trip.

    The Wild chalked up their early-season swoon to puck luck after beating the Rangers 5-4 in St. Paul. But that never checked out. Minnesota is playing under the worst cap ramifications they’ll face following their decision to buy Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out. Their best player, Kirill Kaprizov, hasn’t been himself. Matt Boldy and Spurgeon were also hurt at the start of the season. But they also doubled down on a flawed roster in the offseason by extending veterans Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, and Marcus Foligno.

    In a vacuum, the Zuccarello trade is team-friendly, Hartman’s is reasonable, and Foligno’s is player-friendly. But in context, it didn’t make much sense to commit to a core that hasn’t made it past the first round of the playoffs. The Wild shouldn’t engage in a full-fledged tank with Kaprizov, Boldy, Faber, and Marco Rossi on the roster. But they could have cycled through young talent with upside throughout the next few years instead of bogging down their limited cap space with veteran contracts. Zuccarello is the only extension that fully made sense, given the number they got him at and his impact on Zuccarello’s game.

    Guerin traded Addison to San Jose partially because he’d get a better team with the Sharks, the worst NHL team. “Honestly, I feel (Addison) was kind of dropping in our lineup, and I think at this point in time in his career, a change was going to be good,” Guerin said. “Sometimes at a young age when you’re figuring things out, when you’re trying to find out who you really are, a change can be really good. He’s going to San Jose and getting an opportunity to play big minutes and an important role.

    “We needed to give him a fair chance and see how it was going to work out. We just didn’t see it going the direction we needed it to go.”

    Given the direction the Wild are going, it's odd that they feel they’re good enough to make win-now moves. They may recover from their tailspin in Sweden or when they return home. But bouncing back to sneak into the playoffs, only to have someone eliminate them in the first round again, doesn’t make much sense. And that’s assuming they make the postseason at all. If anything, Minnesota should use the next few cap hell years to see what they have in their farm system to contend before Kaprizov’s contract is up.

    Addison was the Pittsburgh Penguins’ top prospect when Guerin traded for him in February 2020. Guerin was intimately familiar with Addison’s development. He had been with the Penguins since they hired him as a player development coach in 2011. They promoted him to assistant GM in 2014 and drafted Addison in 2018. Guerin knew exactly what he was getting in Addison when he traded Jason Zucker to Pittsburgh for Addison, Galchenyuk, and a first-rounder – which he used on Carson Lambos.

    At first, the trade looked like a steal. “I had inside knowledge,” Guerin joked. Zucker’s play peaked in the 2017-18 season, and he struggled to stay on the ice in Pittsburgh until his 27-goal effort last season. Galchenyuk didn’t offer much. But Addison was nearly NHL-ready, and Lambos is one of Minnesota’s more exciting prospects. Lambos joins Daemon Hunt, who’s played five games with the Wild this year, and St. Cloud State defenseman Jack Peart as one of their best defenseman prospects. 

    Lambos, Hunt, and Peart may have made Addison somewhat expendable. Still, it feels rushed to move on from Addison. If anything, the Wild should be emphasizing young talent over veterans. They’re not playing well this year, and the current group hasn’t proven anything yet. The strangest thing about this is Guerin saw all the cards with Addison and folded them. At the very least, it’s poor asset management. In the span of a year, he traded Addison and a seventh-rounder for Pat Maroon, Bogosian, and a fifth-rounder.

    Guerin was a player development guy in Pittsburgh. However, his recent transitions suggest he’s drawing more from his playing career than his front-office experience as Wild GM. Guerin was a spectacular player who was productive well into his 30s. But he’s an outlier in a league where players thrive in their 20s, especially forwards. 

    There is no sense in overexposing prospects. Most players get better with experience, though, and most teams thrive when they have a core of talented players in their prime. Guerin traded Addison because he didn’t fit an immediate team need. However, a team that has started 5-8-2, coming off seven first-round exits in eight years, needs more than another 30-something veteran to be made whole.

     

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    32 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Fletcher sold off his cupboards and then had nothing.

    While I admired Fletcher's courage to swing for the fences (ie Todd Richards 1st timer, followed by Yeozy 1st timer, sending 1st and 2nds for Pomenville et al) the dude just never got over on his moves.  His burn rate was even faster in Philly.

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    29 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    While I admired Fletcher's courage to swing for the fences (ie Todd Richards 1st timer, followed by Yeozy 1st timer, sending 1st and 2nds for Pomenville et al) the dude just never got over on his moves.  His burn rate was even faster in Philly.

    Yeah, though unfortunately he mostly swung for aging stars of yesteryear that weren't what they used to be.  Consistently mortgaging your future for now doesn't usually work out unless what you are getting carries you into the future.  Fletcher didn't get too much of that.

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    2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    What is it about Addison that warrants all this continued talk about him like he was some sort of mistreated and wronged future hockey messiah?  The guy was a late 2nd rd pick who was given the opportunity of a 1st rd pick and repeatedly failed to find the most basic level of competency of his position.  

    I mean bringing up 7% body fat stinks like red herring.   Are we talking about a hockey player here or a model in a photo shoot?  

    I don't get why so many people here are so invested in this guy.  He sucked.  He was given plenty of opportunity and guidance and failed to meet the basic standard.  If he is in the league next year, it will be for tanking purposes.

    We got so many bigger fish to fry than the 2nd fiddle of the Zucker trade.

    I'm not so down on the trade itself. It is what it is. It makes our 3rd D pair different but i doubt any better as evidenced by the 8 burger just dropped on us. 

    The thing that concerns me more is the pattern of bringing in slow veterans in a time when we have an excuse to be playing more youth. I really like that we have seen more of Hunt, hoping to see some Beckman and possibly more Walker since he only got 2 games. Lettieri has earned his spot here though and played well. 

    In other news our Iowa Wild are really starting to pick up steam winning 4/5 games so far in November!

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    32 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    The thing that concerns me more is the pattern of bringing in slow veterans in a time when we have an excuse to be playing more youth.

    I hear this.  I think this boils down to the owner not wanting to tank or semi-tank so to say (this team has way too much talent to tank) and compete the best they can instead of dealing with learning curves, lack of size, etc.  

    Personally, I would give the young guys opportunity as well.  I want to see Lambos up here, he looked good enough in preseason to be given a shot IMO and on the path to being a part of the future.

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    ^^^

    I think you're forced to do that as it becomes more apparent you're gonna miss the playoffs. In the first two months, I think they're looking for proof of who is gonna be there from the group. I.e. who's your team gonna be and can they make the playoffs? Then determine who to sell and who to bring up or who to add prior by March.

    I wanna see a lot more from Boldy. More from Dewar and Duhaime.

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    1 hour ago, Protec said:

    I wanna see a lot more from Boldy. More from Dewar and Duhaime.

    I'm not worried about Boldy yet.  I think he's shown enough last season to trust he'll come back around.  Don't know if it's urgency/heart/or what but need to see it

    Dewar has shown flashes (like he does) but need to see more for him to move up from 4th line

    Stick fork in Duhaime.  He needs to be sent off to the Ennis/Jost/Sturm carousel of revolving journeyman

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    3 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Personally, I would give the young guys opportunity as well.  I want to see Lambos up here, he looked good enough in preseason to be given a shot IMO and on the path to being a part of the future.

    Lambos seems to be having some problems down in the A still. He scored his 1st goal, but only has 3 points. He's also a - player, so he's got some growing to do.

    Anybody have eyes on the A and can verify with the eye test?

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    57 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Stick fork in Duhaime.  He needs to be sent off to the Ennis/Jost/Sturm carousel of revolving journeyman

    What's wrong with Duhaime? He's playing a pretty good 4th line wing in my book.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    What's wrong with Duhaime? He's playing a pretty good 4th line wing in my book.

    He’s cheap labor for fourth line grist for the mill minutes, but his ability to make hockey plays is non existent.  And when he fights he usually gets beat up. One Foligno is one too many. We don’t need Foligno 2.0

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    7 hours ago, Protec said:

    ^^^

    I think you're forced to do that as it becomes more apparent you're gonna miss the playoffs. In the first two months, I think they're looking for proof of who is gonna be there from the group. I.e. who's your team gonna be and can they make the playoffs? Then determine who to sell and who to bring up or who to add prior by March.

    I wanna see a lot more from Boldy. More from Dewar and Duhaime.

    I agree but then again we are talking about replacing Mermis.

    (yeah Mermis has stepped it up but it's not like he is a rock)

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    9 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    I agree but then again we are talking about replacing Mermis.

    (yeah Mermis has stepped it up but it's not like he is a rock)

    This is true, yet he passed Addison on the depth chart mainly because he out pointed him AND showed an interest in defending. He's not perfect, but he at least competes even though he's not the biggest guy back there.

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    18 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    What's wrong with Duhaime? He's playing a pretty good 4th line wing in my book.

    I would say he is not making enough hockey plays and committing too many stupid penalties. Right now, i don't think he is providing the value you need even for a 4th liner.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    This is true, yet he passed Addison on the depth chart mainly because he out pointed him AND showed an interest in defending. He's not perfect, but he at least competes even though he's not the biggest guy back there.

    Sure but beating out Addison isn't really something to hang your hat on.  Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for Mermis and glad he is one of the few guys on this team playing above expectations... but hypothetically speaking, does this justify not playing Lambos or Hunt or any potentially future defenseman?

    (and like you said before... maybe they just aren't ready)

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    5 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Sure but beating out Addison isn't really something to hang your hat on.  Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for Mermis and glad he is one of the few guys on this team playing above expectations... but hypothetically speaking, does this justify not playing Lambos or Hunt or any potentially future defenseman?

    (and like you said before... maybe they just aren't ready)

    But it is kind of a big deal, because with the play of both Faber and Mermis, and the development of Hunt and Lambos, it made Addison completely expendable. While it doesn't really move the needle for the team, it did have Shooter reach a conclusion that Addison was what he was, he had plateaued and really wasn't going to get to an NHL defender. 

    Of course, we'll see in San Jose, but I'm predicting he does not have a storied career. Oddly, there was always something that I perceived as an attitude with Addison also, like he felt like he wasn't treated fairly. Honestly, a change of scenery was likely the best for both sides. 

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    On 11/15/2023 at 10:10 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    He had some nice attributes, but it never seemed like he could put it all together.

    On the flip side, CA hasn’t even played 100 nhl games nor played a full season yet.

    hes 23. Most nhl players hit their peak between ages 24-26 and that gets pushed back farther for defenders.

    I completely understand the size thing but it’s a bit early to judge if he can put it all together.

    Brodin and Faber are not the norm. 

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    15 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    But it is kind of a big deal, because with the play of both Faber and Mermis, and the development of Hunt and Lambos, it made Addison completely expendable. While it doesn't really move the needle for the team, it did have Shooter reach a conclusion that Addison was what he was, he had plateaued and really wasn't going to get to an NHL defender. 

    Of course, we'll see in San Jose, but I'm predicting he does not have a storied career. Oddly, there was always something that I perceived as an attitude with Addison also, like he felt like he wasn't treated fairly. Honestly, a change of scenery was likely the best for both sides. 

    Not sure how much of a litmus test San Jose will be when the whole team is a rolling dumpster fire.

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    57 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    Not sure how much of a litmus test San Jose will be when the whole team is a rolling dumpster fire.

    We'll just see if he's useful. If he shows something, he's probably trade bait at the deadline.

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    12 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    On the flip side, CA hasn’t even played 100 nhl games nor played a full season yet.

    hes 23. Most nhl players hit their peak between ages 24-26 and that gets pushed back farther for defenders.

    I completely understand the size thing but it’s a bit early to judge if he can put it all together.

    Brodin and Faber are not the norm. 

    I don't believe it is just the size thing. I think it is an attitude thing. Sure he gout muscled a lot. It happens when you are that much smaller. What I saw (or didn't see) was CA actually jumping in and getting his nose dirty. I didn't see blocked shots. I didn't see sound positional hockey. Being a defenseman is actually more about positioning than muscling. Take away lanes. Take away redirects and rebounds. That just wasn't there in my view.

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    22 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    I don't believe it is just the size thing. I think it is an attitude thing. Sure he gout muscled a lot. It happens when you are that much smaller. What I saw (or didn't see) was CA actually jumping in and getting his nose dirty. I didn't see blocked shots. I didn't see sound positional hockey. Being a defenseman is actually more about positioning than muscling. Take away lanes. Take away redirects and rebounds. That just wasn't there in my view.

    You're right, we didn't see any of that. But taking away lanes, taking away redirects, boxing out for rebounds all require strength to neutralize the opposition. I wasn't looking for strength to throw bomb hits, I was looking for strength to merely compete. He didn't have it and constantly got outmuscled in close. And, he didn't have a very strong stick. All those things are required and things he either can't do or was unwilling to do.

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