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All I've gotta say is if they trade him they better WIN the GD trade! No WTF did he do now, or well, that's an even trade, he needs to hands down win it. Rossi's gonna be good and depending where he goes he easily could be top 6 on a SC champion team. There are plenty of small top 6 guys with their names written on the Cup. and Rossi def has the talent to be one of them. I'd say a 20 point increase in production from your first to second season is a nice sign that things are clicking for you. Especially when you have to play throughout the lineup.14 points
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Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth. The Wild don’t even with Rossi. With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers. Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen. Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year. Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill. And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year. I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau. Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender. Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers. I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys. The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season. No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year. The Wild need MORE centers and more offense. Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.13 points
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I know many think we will trade him. Others say he isn’t built for the playoffs because of his size. In reality, we have no idea if he can play in the playoffs. He has played one game and 12 minutes. I don’t think playing on the 4th line tonight will help. I am not saying Rossi is as good as the following players, but he is 23 and has room to grow. So those who say he can’t be a playoff performer because of his size think the following players are not either? Brad Marchand: 5’9 180 pounds Patrick Kane: 5’10 175 pounds Brayden Point: 5’10 183 Johnny Gaudreau: (RIP) 5’9 165 Jonathan Marchessault: 5’9 18013 points
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I was very worried about how this team would look after their end of the season trickle into the playoffs. In all honesty, I was happy that they looked like a playoff team in this series and actually had a chance to get passed the first round. I was relieved that they didn't embarrass themselves, they showed up to play. I think fatigue caught up with Kaprizov in latter part of the series, which may be a result of being injured for half the season. Same could be said about Ek. I really think this team isn't that far from being a contender. Zeev will look better after 10 to 20 NHL games and I suspect Jiricek will be very interesting if his skating improves. Ogren played well in Iowa and should be ready to contribute next year. Yurov should be in the mix as well. I hope they can pick up a top 6 talent with size this summer, but I'm not overly excited about the free agent class. We might have to get creative to find what we need. This summer could get interesting.12 points
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No, if the Wild trade Rossi, it will be a for an established goal scoring forward, not a minor league defenseman.11 points
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Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy.11 points
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Somehow, the biggest lightning rod in the Minnesota Wild's abbreviated playoff run was the player with the team's third-fewest minutes. But that's what fans will focus on when a team takes Marco Rossi, their second-leading scorer in the regular season, and plays him for 11 minutes and 8 seconds per night. For context, that's less than Marat Khusnutdinov, a fourth-line center with seven points in 57 games, got during the regular season. Having seen the Wild's postseason play out, it's clear what happened. John Hynes (and possibly Bill Guerin, judging from some of his radio comments) decided that Rossi couldn't make an impact in a series against the Vegas Golden Knights. He started on the third line with Marcus Foligno and a clearly washed Gustav Nyquist, a role Rossi hadn't been in all season. After struggling in his playoff debut, the Wild demoted him to the fourth line with Yakov Trenin and Justin Brazeau. And that's where he stayed. Scoring goals in back-to-back games didn't get him out of the doghouse. Engaging physically in Game 5, where he registered three hits and three blocked shots, didn't do the trick, either. No style of play, no level of success was getting him off the fourth line. There was nothing he could do. In doing so, the Wild doomed Rossi to their self-fulfilling prophecy. By treating him as if he couldn't make an impact, they put him in a position where he was least capable of making one. Despite the three points in six games -- a 0.50 PPG average that is, mind you, tied for 19th in franchise history, between Kevin Fiala (0.53 PPG) and Mikko Koivu (0.47) -- Minnesota got a result they can point to and back up their suspicions. His detractors (including those in the Wild organization) can point to three flashpoints: Rossi being on the ice for the Game 5 overtime goal. His double minor in Game 6. And his having the worst expected goals percentage at 5-on-5 this series, as noted by The Athletic. Make of the errors what you'd like, I guess. Rossi was part of that Game 5 breakdown -- although there's a pretty good case that Zach Bogosian was more responsible. Even though Brayden McNabb lifted Rossi's stick into his own face in Game 6, Rossi still has to control his stick. But as for his expected goals percentage... what did the Wild expect? Out of 18 forwards with 150-plus minutes at 5-on-5 for the Wild during the regular season, Trenin was 10th in goals for percentage (44.4) and 11th in expected goals for percentage (47.5). Brazeau ranked dead last in both categories. Both players were in the bottom half of generating actual and expected goals per hour. That trio didn't generate offense outside of two nice passes off a Trenin forecheck. The Rossi-Trenin duo combined to get just a 28.5% share of the expected goals in their limited time on the ice. Minnesota generated expected goals at a rate of 0.99 per hour with that tandem, which is abysmal. When apart from Trenin, his expected goals share boosted up to 49.3%, and the Wild generated 2.44 expected goals per hour. If you're looking for a reason why Rossi would have disappointing numbers with Trenin and Brazeau, it's not hard to figure out. There's a reason Hynes doesn't consider playing Matt Boldy or Kirill Kaprizov on the fourth line for an entire playoff series. Maybe you're thinking something like, Look, a player isn't entitled to a spot in the lineup because they scored 60 points in the regular season. This is professional sports. It's not about fairness or being a hard-working kid with a good attitude who does everything the team asks of him. It's about results. And, hey, maybe that's right. So let's take a look at Rossi's results. In 66:47 of all-situations time, Rossi scored three points. Mind you, only 3:30 of that was on the power play, less time than the likes of Nyquist and Marcus Johansson. Despite being a power play afterthought, he put up 2.70 points per hour during his ice time. For fun, here's a list of Wild players who Rossi's career points per hour rate beats out: Zach Parise, 2.66 points per hour Kirill Kaprizov, 2.40 points per hour Marian Gaborik, 2.36 points per hour Ryan Hartman, 2.30 points per hour Jason Pominville, 2.28 points per hour Wes Walz, 2.26 points per hour Brian Rolston, 2.03 points per hour Kevin Fiala, 1.89 points per hour Pavol Demitra, 1.86 points per hour Matt Boldy, 1.86 points per hour Eric Staal, 1.86 points per hour Nino Niederreiter, 1.82 points per hour Small sample size, but damn, that sounds like someone Minnesota should've put on the ice if they wanted not to lose three games by a goal each. Only Hynes didn't do that. It's one thing for a coach to bury his team's second-leading scorer on the fourth line and win the series. They can claim they pushed the right buttons, and scoreboard. Who's gonna argue? But when they lose a series of one-goal games? There are gonna be questions to answer, especially for a coach whose playoff results aren't exactly above reproach. It was a predictable outcome for the Wild, partly because they ensured it, both for Rossi and the series as a whole. Minnesota played Rossi on the fourth line, and now they can claim he played like a fourth liner. That makes sense. The logical conclusion for Hynes turning his third-most-potent scoring threat into a fourth-liner was the one we saw. The Wild offense drying up the second Kaprizov and Boldy started running out of gas. Don't worry -- with the increasingly inevitable Rossi trade coming up, it appears that no lessons will be learned from any of this.11 points
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A lot of people going into the series thought it was going to be a quick exit, that the wild would get steam rolled by Vegas, that is yet to happen. Even in their losses they have pushed Vegas to the brink. At the start who would have been mad that the series would be tied 2-2 and become a best of 3? Lets enjoy the ride a bit, outside of the officiating (seriously, tackling a guy and no whistle being blown?) we have been able to watch some damn good hockey. Yes, they missed a chance to, for the first time in the franchise history, take a 3-1 lead, that is disappointing, but maybe we should throw on the green colored glasses, follow our fandom hearts of hope and think they could have another first in franchise history, clinching a series at home. Lose game 1, win 2 and 3, lose 4, why not win 5 and 6 and get the first ever series clinching win on home ice in franchise history. Just think how fun that would be. Vegas losing two in a row had to come out with some extra gas in game 4. Maybe getting jobbed by the officials, which the team would be well aware of more so than any of us, will be that extra something to play game 5 with their hair on fire. I am yet to see anything in the series that says we don't belong and can't win. Join me in the hope and excitement, enjoy the ride of a great series so far, even though we all may be hurt again. More fun to have hope and dive in than just expecting nothing but pain and sadness.10 points
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All this and he really hasn't had the opportunity to show off what he's best at: Shootouts. He makes $100k more than Johansson, but I would argue he's been solidly more useful. Johansson's had a good close to the season, but Gaudreau has been way more consistent.10 points
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Given the investments in defense recently, Middleton as a top 4 defender doesn't seem to be Guerin's long-term vision. Middleton as a 3rd pairing defender seems just fine. Hopefully developments from Buium and Jiricek will be substantial this summer and Middleton could end up as a 3rd pairing defenseman when the Wild head into 2026, assuming he's still around.9 points
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Kap signs a long term deal, and no one will care about anything that happened before. If he doesn't, Guerin is fired on the spot. Rossi doesn't matter, Nyquist doesn't matter, Hartman/Foligno/Zucc don't matter. All that matters is if July 1st, Kap wakes up and says yes to staying put. But tell me again about Hartman and Foligno were "aging declining players" not worth the money that didn't help in the playoffs. Coulda fooled me. Nyquist was one. Unless Guerin does something REALLY odd like re-signing Mojo and Nyquist...I don't really think one player being on the outs is going to change the team like signing Kaprizov will. Now watch ODC somehow think I'm agreeing with him for once. Just the thought makes me ill.9 points
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I agree with you bud. It amazes me how a portion of our fanbase has been complaining about needing centers. Then we get one and they want him gone after two years. Rossi is 23 and improved year over year. The lack of patience that some have with our young prospects is crazy. Heck, earlier this year there were a few that wanted Boldy gone. No idea what will happen with Rossi. As long as the contract is good, I hope he is here. I guess we will get our answer in a couple of months.9 points
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I am not as harsh on Rossi as some. And no, I don’t think he deserves 8.5M or more a year. I do agree that he had a better first playoffs than other current good players (JEE and Boldy). I think it was about half way through the 3rd period in Game 3 where the camera was focused on the Wild bench. I am not an expert lip reader and there was obviously no audio, but Foligno leaned over to Rossi and appeared to say “hang in there” and gave him a fist bump on the shoulder. Immediately after, Gaudreau leaned over to Rossi and appeared to ask “how does it feel” with Rossi replying “it’s okay”. My point is injuries and necessary surgery information will start to trickle out now. Maybe Rossi was completely healthy, but I don’t think he was. And yes, I understand that lots of players are dealing with something in the playoffs. I have said something similar before, but the best teams usually have an abundance of centers with multiple on several lines. This helps tremendously with being able to “cheat” on faceoffs as well as having players that are sound two way and 200 foot players. I think it will be a mistake to get rid of Rossi. He is a dedicated player, just look at his last two off seasons and year over year improvement. Since the Wild are always starved for center depth, I am hoping they will start to accumulate centers. Trading Rossi and other top prospects for an older and more expensive center won’t help us in the long run with building out our center depth, but seems to be the way GMBG is leaning. Trading Rossi and other top prospects for an older and more expensive winger seems foolish to me, so GMBG will probably do exactly that. No where in this post did I say Rossi is the best, is more important than Kaprizov or should be paid 8.5M or more a year.9 points
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Just personally, what I want is our front office to quite their obsession with size and give Rossi a reasonable offer. We will need to overpay for anyone in free agency and, if we honest with ourselves, sell him for a larger guy who puts up less points. If we got him on a 7 by 7 it will be a steal. Some things to keep in mind about Rossi; He had a similar point total to Boldy in his first two years. 40 in his first year and 60 in his second. He has played very well defensively this year, despite his streakiness on point getting. He lost a year of development so is a year behind what his age indicates. He seems extremely coachable and willing to go the extra mile for what the team asks of him. The wild have only had 5-6 60 point centers in their history! Rolston, Granlund, Staal, Eriksson Ek, Hartman and Koivu. Of those, we only drafted Koivu and Eriksson Ek. So we want to trade the third best center we have ever developed and easily a top 10 center in our franchise history because we don't like his size? There are not that many guys who have a 60pt season their second full year, there are even less UFA's with a 60pt season, let alone in their second season. Rossi still has possible upside to get even better while most the UFA's are on the downward side of the hill. Gifted and skilled centers don't grow on trees. Let's stop shooting ourselves in the foot Billy!9 points
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One goal short. That's all the Minnesota Wild needed to get this series on lockdown. Finding one more goal -- anywhere -- was the difference between going back to Vegas with the Golden Knights demoralized or with home ice advantage in a de facto best-of-three. You can't get picky about where the goals come from in the playoffs. Or at least, that's got to be the lesson John Hynes learned in Game 4. Because when his team needed a goal the most, he spent all but 7 minutes and 17 seconds with 24 goals sitting on the bench. It's no secret that the Wild have long doubted Marco Rossi's ability to contribute to a playoff effort. At the end of the 2022-23 season, Minnesota refused to play their top center prospect, who had a strong season in the AHL, in a series against the Dallas Stars. This despite losing Joel Eriksson Ek to a broken leg. Those reservations have persisted into this year. Hynes has shown no faith in his 60-point center's season carrying over to the first round. After an admittedly poor showing on the third line during his 12-minute playoff debut, Hynes dropped Rossi to the fourth line and has given him strictly fourth-line minutes. Unlike Ryan Hartman, who was able to play his way off the fourth line in Game 1, that path doesn't seem available to Rossi. He scored on his third shift in Game 3, and Rossi finished with 10:52 of time on ice. Game 4 was even worse. Once again, he scored on his third shift of the game, and his line with Yakov Trenin and Justin Brazeau was easily Minnesota's best forward group. Still, Rossi had 7:17 through regulation, including 1:19 in the second period and 2:37 in the third. How many guys score a goal in back-to-back games while remaining effectively benched? We know how many other 60-point forwards are getting used as little as Rossi is this postseason: zero. Among the other 42 forwards who scored 60 points this season, only 39-year-old Alex Ovechkin (15:28 per night) is averaging under 16 minutes. Lower the bar to 50-point forwards, and no one comes close to Rossi's microscopic ice time. It's clear that Game 1 fed into Hynes' doubts that Rossi could provide an impact in the series, one where the 5-foot-9 center was going against the fifth-heaviest team in the NHL. But now? He's proven that he can hang, and he doesn't even need top-tier linemates or a lot of minutes to do it. His first goal came with bruising, 6-foot-4 Brayden McNabb on the ice, with 6-foot-2, 216-pound Keegan Kolesar closing in on him. In Game 4, 6-foot-6 Nicolas Hague, 6-foot-2 Zach Whitecloud, 6-foot-4 Nicolas Roy, 6-foot-1 Tanner Pearson, and Kolesar couldn't stop Rossi from parking 14 feet from the net, untouched. Not only is Rossi finding space against a much bigger team (only Joel Eriksson Ek has more shots on goal per hour this series), but he's doing something no other Wild draftee has done since Marian Gaborik. Produce in his first playoff series. Rossi has two goals and an assist through his first four career postseason games. No other Wild-drafted player has scored three points in their first four playoff games in Minnesota. He's already matched what Kirill Kaprizov did in his first playoff series against the Golden Knights. Rossi surpassed Boldy's output in his first series by Game 3. Even Gaborik, who ended his first series with four goals and six points, didn't take off until Game 6. Here's where Rossi ranked coming into Sunday's action among 176 forwards with 30-plus all-situations playoff minutes. And remember, this is all with a fourth-line assignment and while being relegated to the second power play: 7th in Goals Per Hour (2.76) 20th in Points Per Hour (4.14) 16th in Shots Per Hour (11.3) Of course, we're talking about a small sample size, but still... there's so much more to indicate that Rossi's a player who can step up in the playoffs, rather than shrink from the moment. But as the Wild grew desperate for an insurance goal, then later a go-ahead goal, Hynes made little effort to find ways to get his second-leading goal-scorer on the ice. Hynes made no commitment after Game 4 to increase Rossi's role, either. "We'll take it game by game," he said when pressed about Rossi's ice time. It's one thing (but still ill-advised, arguably) to be unwilling to commit to Rossi long-term. The Athletic's Michael Russo has reported that the team has only offered Rossi five years and $25 million -- a below-market deal, even when we don't account for the salary cap's pending exponential rise. Oddly, Minnesota is seemingly preparing to move on from a center with a 60-point season before hitting his 24th birthday, but hey, maybe the Wild have a vision for the future. It's much more bizarre to be unwilling to commit to Rossi now. This is the playoffs, and the Wild aren't going to trade for the center of their dreams before their playoff run ends. They don't have top center prospect Danila Yurov ready to step in for Rossi until next year. Minnesota's not nearly so deep that they can afford to play their 24-goal center for just seven minutes in regulation in a must-win game. Hynes has two options: He can maximize the playing time of his best players or continue to let perfection be the enemy of good with one of his two best centers. The coach chose the latter, which may have already bitten him, putting Minnesota's chances of winning their first playoff series in a decade in peril.9 points
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4th Takeaway: If you're Vegas, you can punch and trip Minnesota players in critical moments with impunity.9 points
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He may not produce as much in the playoffs, but a lot of players don't, especially young ones. I don't understand why the majority wants him gone when he is a young, 60 point, player that will continue to get better. Trading him for yet another downslope vet seems like a bad, but typical, move by Guerin. I think Zucc got in his head when he told him he needs to pass more.9 points
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And here we go again. Marco small and average, Nelson big and fast. I feel like one of those underpants gnomes in South Park. Step 1: Get rid of asset. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit? I'm still more hopeful the Wild go after Ehlers or Peterka. They need to solve winger depth behind Kap and Boldy too. Marner's a pipedream. Same money offer everywhere, and he'd come HERE? Not gonna buy it.8 points
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Based on my expertise (being fat), the No. 1 thing to know about fat guys is how they all play 27 minutes a night in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.8 points
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This is a classic example of why I'm convinced this author is in fact AI. The one position where the Wild have ABSOLUTLY ZERO need is defense. Trade your position of greatest need to your position of least need. 🤡🤦♂️8 points
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Great article. Well said.. not sure why Rossi has been in the doghouse basically since he started with the Wild. It's obvious they plain just don't like him. Such a double standard with the Wild. If a veteran continues making mistakes or playing like crap he gets promoted and patted on the back. If a young player does something wrong he gets benched or demoted. How can you develop young players if you can't help them develop? I'm really getting tired of Guerin. With the cap hits coming off he better produce some great results and quit making excuses. Hynes has proven he can't coach. Especially in thr playoffs.8 points
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I want to win a Stanley Cup! And leaving a player that has scored 24 goals and 60 points over the 82 game regular season in lieu for guys that haven't offered that kind of stat line is the head scratcher. The Wild needed 1 of 2 things to win Game 4. They needed a great 3rd period, but we're out-scored 2-1 in the frame. Just one more goal could have ended it. Or, fresh legs in OT. Hynes shortened his bench and leaned on guys that already played 25 minutes in the game against a team that had it's stars playing significantly fewer minutes. What Hynes did was cut his nose to spite his face. He had tired legs, and kept a player that could have spot in a few times throughout the 3rd period or OT and provided a jump, and some goal scoring skill on the bench. So when you ask us, "what do you want?" I want to fucking win. And these decisions are not what winning organizations do.8 points
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Love the article Tony. I will add that in his limited time on the ice in five on five with the fourth line, no goals have been scored against either.8 points
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Reading over on the GK reddit they made a good point of the style of defense the wild are playing. Going with the man style while not chasing lets vegas circle around all night long but gives them very little in the way of cute passing plays and setting up grade A chances. The GK fans seem mad and cant understand how they are getting out physically played and have been completely shut out of getting in close rebound chances. Rumor is Eichel is battling through some injury/illness, has had a rough go for the whole month of April. The other interesting point they were bringing up is the speed in which the wild have been playing, while Vegas is bigger they have not been able to keep up with how quick, especially in transition, the Wild have been. Then when you have Kap putting his body on the line to block shots and losing a skate blade (you will see it), that brings major buy in energy to the team, if he is willing to then why not everyone else.8 points
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Buium and Jiricek both looked like they belonged in the NHL in their debuts. The main issue is NHL speed and skill is way higher than I think we take for granted sometimes. 3rd and 4th line guys do things that even high end AHL prospects can't or are not able to handle. The jump in class is real. The main thing is Buium has to play patiently. Vegas and Minnesota both play cautious styles right now. Vegas WILL jump on a mistake if he makes it.8 points
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Outside of the slew foot on Ek and punches to the face of Kap I don't mind letting them play, but those two are egregious and should be called. Besides deep dives of effectiveness, analytics, and who should be playing I think most here have embraced the " Lay down your agendas, pick up a sword, and join the ranks of hockey fans ready to sweat and bleed through every seven-game series from now until June ". Because well, what else do we have to debate about which is half the fun of sports. In the end, we are all fans who want more hockey.8 points
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The best retaliation is to score, like Kap did at the end.8 points
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I really agree with this statement. The Wild don't have to reinvent the wheel, they just have to air it up a little and get it balanced. 2025-2026 Roster and Salary: Dead money - $1.67M (Parise & Suter) C - Rossi - ??? (Offer the Boldy contract, $7M. Not going to find a FA with better production for less money) C - Ek - $5.25M C - Gaudreau - $2.1M C - Ohgren - $887K C - Yurov - ??? (Buium money, ELC $967K) C/W - Hartman - $4M W - Kaprizov - $9M W - Boldy -$7M W - Zuccarello - $4.1M W - Foligno -$4M W - Trenin - $3.5M (Trade for a 3rd round pick and free up the money. He's a 4th liner with no upside. You can get that anywhere for under $1M) W - Hinostroza - $775K D - Faber - $8.5M D - Spurgeon - $7.575M D - Brodin - $6M D - Middleton - $4.35M D - Bogosian - $1.25M D - Buium - $967K D - Jiricek - $918K G - Gustavsson - $3.75M G - Wallstedt - $2.2M Sign Rossi for $7M and Yurov for $967K. Trade Trenin for a 3rd round pick and dump his $3.5M contract. That leaves the Wild with $83.25M under contract with 20 players. Three roster spots to fill and $12.25M to spend given the $95.5M limit. Bank $8M or $9M for in-season or trade deadline acquisitions or trades and spend around $1M give or take on the three open roster spots. No need to make a splash during the off season and handcuff the team down the road. Sign Kaprizov to his record setting extension on July 1 (it will be surpassed by a different player on a different team quickly), Zuccarello and his $4.1M contract will be gone when KK's extension kicks in and the salary cap will bump up an additional $8.5M. Remember when Duhaime, Dewar and Mason Shaw rocked the PK, scored shorties, and forechecked like hell on the fourth line for less combined money than Trenin makes? It can be done!7 points
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Middleton's issues are pronounced, but I think there's something more at play that could counteract it: offense from the blueline. Getting Buium a taste was one thing. But he has to do what everyone except Spurgeon seems to fail at: provide way more offense. Spurgeon, Faber, Brodin, and Middleton aren't great offensive threats. The bottom depth even less so. That was something Middleton did pre-injury and Spurgeon kept up pretty well. But even Faber wasn't what you'd call an offensive presence. The Wild only really have Kap, Boldy, and (for now) Rossi as offensive guys. Foligno and Hartman did that in the playoffs. But I don't think any team is "scared" to let the Wild roam around. The better teams can counterract the mistakes they'd make by just going, "You just keep on peppering the goalie. We're not scared of you. We'll just run and gun right past you and score anyway." I believe this to be personnel rather than a Hynes philosophy. Evason played with more reckless abandon, but that came with it's own risks. The team by and large doesn't have the offense yet to just shrug off any mistakes or scare other teams into avoiding said risks. I'm not saying that's why Middleton struggled. I'm just hoping that by getting some better offensive balance, it won't be SUCH a burden on playing perfect defense or goaltending. Nobody's perfect.7 points
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I can't say it any other way. I think he performed at a 2C level this year. You do not. You say I can't use the time he was with Kap? fine. January, February and April, taking out the games Kap did play, 22 points in 28 games which is a 64 points pace. You don't like how I evaluated him? Fine. You can believe he isn't, and I can believe he is. If Kap signs, our window is now through at least 5 years from now. To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C. He is young, and the majority of players his age who score 60 points in a year improve year over year, with many becoming pgp players by year 25 or 26. If he has the same output or better for the next 5 years, I think that first Kap's timeline perfectly. You want to keep arguing even though in my last response and others I have said I am fine trading him if it is for a definitive upgrade. If it isn't I would rather have him on the team. Really is that simple7 points
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Second leading scorer on the team this season. 4th line minutes. And we wonder why we can’t get out of the first round of playoffs. This whole management group has to go. i honestly can’t wait until next year for GM Billy to finally be rid of his excuse he created with the cap hit so people finally realize how terrible he is as a GM7 points
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To put things into perspective. This is Rossi’s 2nd year and his first playoff series. He had 3pts in 6 games, plus minus 0, 22.2% shooting percentage and was 48.9% on face offs and had an average toi of 11:08 min… Let’s compare to some other notable Wild players… Boldy’s first series(21-22)he scored 1pt in 6 games, was -1 and played an average toi of 13:19 min and 75% on face offs with 7.7% shooting percentage. His second playoff series (22-23) he had 3pts in 6 games, was -5 and had an average toi of 20:53 min with 45.9% on face offs and 0.0% on shooting. Third series you are all aware of. He had 7pts in 6 games, +/- of 0, 25:01 min of TOI, 20% on face offs JEE had the same amount of pts in 6 games as Rossi in this series, had an average toi of 22:00 min, 53.6% on face offs and a 0% shooting percentage. In his first 25 playoff games over 5 playoff series he had a total of 9pts.. He was also never higher than 47.5% on face offs. It took him his 5th series to get to 47.5% on face offs. Kaprizov first playoffs series (20-21) 3pts in 7 games, -3, 18:52 min of average time on ice, 20% shooting percentage. The reason I post this stuff is so people understand realistic expectations. Now, I’m not saying Rossi is flawless by any stretch of the imagination, he’s small and does get knocked around because of it. But he does a lot of things this team needs. He’s in his 2nd year ffs. There’s obviously things he could do better but I think a lot of that will come with time. Look at how long it took Boldy in the playoffs, look how long it took JEE in the playoffs, it even took Kaprizov his second playoff series to do much and Rossi had 8-15 min less a game to do it.7 points
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Brazeau finished with 2 assists and +1 in the series. He was doing his job as a 4th liner. Rossi obviously helped the 4th line tally some points. Unclear if Gaudreau could do the same, but we may find out next season. I don't think Gaudreau will play above the 4th line when the Wild are healthy next year. I could see Hinostroza sticking around as the 13th forward. Minimum contract guys that can plug in on any line have value and I imagine he'd like to stick around even if Ohgren and Yurov are playing ahead of him. In search of a significant upgrade, it's possible that Ohgren might be packaged with Rossi and a pick to get a veteran sniper. Guerin has done a solid job accumulating assets and talent given where the team was when he took control. With the majority of cap constraints falling away, he can assemble the type of team he's been envisioning. Hopefully many Wild fans will be pleasantly surprised.7 points
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Good breakdown here, I was just typing up something similar but you beat me to it. I have to wonder if Kap and Boldy missing so much time hurt their longevity. Hartzy, man, played like a man possessed. Bottle that up for next season, can be a game changer playing like that. Keeping that intensity up all year is impossible and should not be expected but he danced the line of getting under skin perfectly while not taking dumb penalties. Boldy emerging? Lets keep this version for as long as possible, looked like he found his big boy pants. With Trenin, for the hate he got most of the year I think we saw why he was brought in, playoff hockey and he made an impact. I don't think he has the skill to be top 6, doesn't have the hands or shot for it but is great on line 3 or 4. Braz, passible, I thought he got better as the series went on. I don't hold much against Zeev, the jump from college to NHL, not to mention NHL playoffs is a major jump. There were flashes to give hope of him being a contributor next year, by playing more games the game should slow down and allow his skill to show up more. The rest of the D core, should see some turnover. Lose Bogo and Merril, add Zeev and Jiricek, should hopefully bring more speed and skill to the back end. Rossi....... oh boy this is a tough conversation, I 100% see what you are saying but he also put up 60 points during the year shows he has the skill to play and belongs. This year over last year showed improvement and more willingness to go to the dirty areas. Growth is a real thing so I am more in the camp of lets get him on a bridge deal and see what happens. We have also had stark critisism of other players in the past, think Ek and Boldy, they were soft and couldn't do it until they could, just took some time. Center is still not a strong position for the Wild, they have some prospects but they will have to beat Rossi out to prove they are the answer. Or they get a free agent, though the class is quite old and not too exciting, I would go in on Sam Bennett myself.7 points
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I went into this season with the expectation of being another year or two away. Turns out I was right to feel that way. The excuses are gone now. Guerin cannot settle for "responsible" players holding spots in the lineup that should go to higher end talent. The depth floor needs to be filled pronto, or other teams will fill it faster than they will. Kap and Boldy proved high end offensive talent. They just need to find 2-3 others to follow suit. Maybe that's Rossi, Buium, or Yurov. Maybe its not. But the contracts Guerin HAD to take are now optional. If he spends the money on keeping Gus or Rossi, that's one idea. If he blows his load on Marner (god forbid he'd actually do that), then ok. Trade? Better be the right one. The fanbase won't settle this time. Leipold won't settle this time. Progress has to be made.7 points
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I've never understood Wild management in their continued disdain for Rossi. While he is no superstar he certainly performs and produced better than some of the stuffs on the team signed to no trade deals. And as for Hynes: I've never really had a great feeling for him. Just his playoff record alone is bad. Guerin and Hynes have made very strange decisions regarding player personnel. Rossi should be at least on the third line and Guedrew on 4th.7 points
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I try to find “Oh that makes sense” reasoning behind Wild Management decisions. I know they want to win. I can kinda understand how playing with the fourth line could work, but not at the reduced minutes. We’ve talked about secondary scoring and guys stepping up in the playoffs, Rossi is one of those guys. For now I will remain puzzled.7 points
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Getting Zeev these playoff games (must win, high pressure games) will pay dividends next season when he hits the ground running. No acclimation necessary for Zzy next season7 points
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The reason for the power play goal was Freddy was tripped at the faceoff and then out of position to cover his man, causing Foligno to choose. Had that penalty been called who knows what would have happened. I guess I can’t say that Vegas’ power play was dominate based off of that one play.7 points
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I’ll never understand our meathead fucking idiot GM and his hatred for Rossi and not giving him his kudos. This team has literally been center starved since it’s inception and we finally draft a top 6 center and then shit on him for continually meeting the mark7 points
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Love the article. No matter what Rossi does in this series, I will not change my positive opinion of him. One series isn’t enough for me to change what I have seen in two seasons with his growth and dedication.7 points
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Love this style of writing. Analytical, backed up by numbers, examples, etc. I have tempered expectations but this is hockey. Anything can happen. When we play focused and energetic, we can beat any team in the league.7 points
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Wild need to be wary of anyone's power play.7 points
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In a game like hockey, where momentum, pressure, and emotions dictate the outcomes of games, a team's captain can often be the spark that pushes the team to new heights. Some teams have captains like Alex Ovechkin or Sidney Crosby, whose offense can carry a team. However, the players you hear about the least often make the most impact. That’s the case for Minnesota Wild captain Jared Spurgeon. Spurgeon’s teammates give him accolades, but people outside the organization often overlook his impact. Spurgeon’s consistent defense and flashes of playmaking have never been more critical than now. I don’t need to reiterate that the Wild have struggled to score. So, with the postseason right around the corner, it is refreshing to see that the Wild’s 35-year-old captain has been scoring at an elevated rate. Spurgeon has mostly stayed healthy this season, scoring seven goals and 32 points in 65 games. It’s encouraging to see the captain return to form this year after playing only 16 games in the 2023-24 season before undergoing season-ending back and hip surgery. It also became clear what the Wild look like without Spurgeon. He’s always been crucial to the Wild’s backchecking. Stable defense Since the beginning of 2023, Spurgeon has missed 82 games. In that time, the Wild have allowed 262 goals. However, in the last 82 games with Spurgeon, Minnesota has allowed 236 goals. Because the Wild have lost 380 of their 493 one-goal games since their founding, the 26-goal difference with Spurgeon on the ice could be the difference between making the playoffs or not. The puck goes in the net less with him around. While Spurgeon may only be +7 this season, he has a respectable career plus/minus. He has been +30 three times and +124 three times. That ties Spurgeon for the 196th-best career plus/minus of all time, tied with 35-year-old defenseman Alex Pietrangelo. Experts argue over whether plus/minus is a reliable stat, with the consensus being that the quality of one's team heavily affects the player’s number. However, in Spurgeon’s case this year, he played most of the season without Kirill Kaprizov to pad his stats. Spurgeon did this on a team with a -12 goal differential, the seventh-worst goal differential in franchise history. His blocked shots also highlight his defensive prowess. Spurgeon’s 115 blocked shots are the second-most on the Wild. I’d say his willingness to put his body on the line after undergoing major surgeries might be what the rest of the team sees in him. Late in the season, he injured his throat by blocking a shot. Consistent offense Spurgeon's defensive capabilities have been the foundation of his success, but he’s consistently produced offense from the blue line. Spurgeon may not be Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar, but he’s tied for the sixth-most points on the Wild this season. That might not have been the case if Minnesota’s offensive core had stayed healthy this season. Still, Spurgeon stepped up when the Wild needed him most, the trait of a team captain. Even though Wild fans see Spurgeon as a superstar, you likely won't hear about Spurgeon’s game on ESPN or the NHL Network. Still, the Wild aren’t the Wild without him. His consistency offensively and defensively stabilizes them on both sides of the ice. Though Spurgeon has had every excuse for his offensive production to slip, he didn’t take that as an option. Since 2015, Spurgeon has achieved two 40-point seasons and has only failed to score fewer than 29 points twice: once in 2020 due to a shortened season and once in 2023 because of his surgeries. During the COVID-shortened season, Spurgeon played 54 games and scored 25 points, maintaining his usual production of roughly half a point per game. In terms of points per 60 minutes this season, Spurgeon has maintained an average of 1.45, the third-best of his career. The last time he scored at a better rate was in the 2021-22 and 2017-18 seasons, when he scored 1.75 and 1.48, respectively. Throughout these three seasons, one constant has remained: Spurgeon stayed above 1.0 assists per 60 minutes, proving he is still a fantastic playmaker today. Staying consistent offensively is difficult enough in the NHL. Still, for obvious reasons, it is even more difficult for a defenseman to make a difference on both ends of the ice. Add aging into the mix, and you start to realize why you see players retire in their mid-30s. While I hope not to see Spurgeon retire anytime soon, the good thing is that he still has a lot left in his game. He may not spend his entire career in Minnesota because the Wild have more reasons to let him go than to stay. But in a season of ups and downs, Spurgeon has been a constant for the Wild, who still gives us glimpses of the player he was in his prime.7 points
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His agent will advise him to do this or threaten to stay at DU. It's the only leverage the player has, and the agent will use it the best he can. What player in their right mind says, "Yeah, you're right, I should play and ELC another year."7 points
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I was a fan of Chisholm for most of the season. But he seems to have lost my support over the last couple of months. It's almost like he panics with the puck below the goal line when he gets pressured. Results in a puck turn over or worse, a goal against. I would like to see Buium get slotted in over Chisholm for a game or two to see how he responds the the big league players.7 points
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What a fun game to watch. Ek and Kirill were incredible. Clearly they add a lot to a roster. They both do so many things really really well. Boldy looked invigorated and played outstanding.7 points
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I believe they can sign 1 guy, but that they prefer Buium because he gives them something the team doesn't have, he's healthy, and playing at a really high level. If Yurov had never gotten injured and accelerated his scoring down the stretch, maybe they would feel differently. Yurov came back to compete in the playoffs earlier than he would have in the regular season. His ankle likely needs more work to get back to 100%, so it wouldn't be the best decision to rush him into NHL playoff hockey. I fully expect Yurov to be signed in the summer and he would likely be with the MN Wild to start next season. He has a lot of talent and hockey IQ, but he didn't have a very healthy season, so hopefully he gets healthy, strong, and sharpens up his skills prior to heading into training camp with the Wild in the fall.7 points