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  1. I don’t get this either. I’m in the camp that we let bygones be bygones. Giving up assets to get him back after losing him once already (with no compensation) feels like we’re paying for Tuch twice.
    11 points
  2. Teams aren't afraid of the Wild because they don't "beat people up." That's Tony's point of the article. You want to make teams pay? Make them reticent to pull off stupid shit by having a better offense or a killer defense (or both) to frustrate them. Make them think, "oh shit. If we go down a man, we lose to this guy, this guy, this guy, or even THAT guy." The Wild have a glaring hole in the Top 6 already with Johansson. That'll rectify itself with a trade if he wants to leave, which is unlikely, or waiting for the off season to roll off. Yurov can't come until next year (probably). Getting Tuch or Nelson or Boeser, or any of those solutions can't be figured out easily without losing something the Wild need: structure to screw with teams heads and the firepower to make them pay for mistakes. Injuries screw up whatever structure the team had to play competitive and smart to overcome the offensive deficiency this year. If you want Rossi or Boldy gone, do it after the season. Making a seachange of that magnitude with an injury ravaged mess and throwing out whatever good offensive or defensive players we have to do it makes things even worse. Teams don't just swap players with ease. It's not a video game. My main issue is trying to salvage a season that is already on leaky waters as is with no money to fix the problem. Doing thing during draft time would make way more sense. If you want to get rid of Rossi for someone else, do it after you have evidence that he was the one sole reason the team failed. The team has way more issues than one player swap.
    10 points
  3. Since I'm not sure everyone will go to the older thread where I posted this a little earlier, I'm posting it again here. Russo confirms the plan is for Ohgren on line #2, and a Faber return Saturday! 1. Boldy-Rossi-Zuccarello 2. Ohgren-Eriksson Ek-Hartman 3. Foligno-Gaudreau-Trenin 4. Shore-Khusnutdinov-Lauko Gaunce 1. Middleton-Faber 2. Chisholm-Bogosian 3. Merrill-Jiricek Dermott
    10 points
  4. The Wild need to get a 2nd line scorer to HELP Boldy, not to send him out and find a replacement...
    10 points
  5. Again with the Rossi BS. Do I have to remind people that just like the Boldy discussion, do you just expect to find Top 50 scorers out of thin air? The top line, Kap or not, is pretty much the only one scoring each game. Hartman and Ek have found some, but that's it. I figured we were over this and moving to the real problem: Brodin and Spurgeon still matter. So much that the fucking Preds threw 6 on a team that was almost impossible to score on early in the season. Giving up 4-6 is becoming a worrying trend, and I think everyone on the team (though Brodin and Spurgeon lead the charge) has to buy into that structure to make it work. Tell me exactly what a team lacking high end offense does getting rid of Rossi or Boldy for some grass is greener option? You already have Foligno and Trenin's on the team. You need to keep the scorers and add more.
    9 points
  6. As much as it’s fun to think about some of this stuff, it’s highly unlikely this happens. Quinn is a future 30 goal scorer once he gets to his prime but he’s having a really rough season right now. I don’t think it’s smart to get rid of Boldy simply because he’s in a slump. In my opinion his ceiling is higher than Tuchs.
    9 points
  7. The Minnesota Wild can't pretend that they have secondary scoring anymore. They might have been able to claim that when Joel Eriksson Ek was healthy. But over the 1-5-0 streak in their past six games, the evidence is in: They've scored nine goals in that stretch. Seven of them were either scored by Kirill Kaprizov, someone on Kaprizov's line, or the power play, which primarily features... you guessed it, Kaprizov. It's not particularly surprising. The Wild had secondary scoring issues last season, and they still have $15 million nuked off their salary cap from the final year of the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter buyouts. There weren't many scenarios in which Minnesota wouldn't be a team that lives and dies with its top line, power play, and superstar. Even so, this is pretty extreme. Here are the Wild's expected goals totals from the last three games when Kaprizov has been off the ice: December 12 vs Edmonton: 1.45 December 14 vs Philadelphia: 0.77 December 15 vs Vegas: 0.89 December 18 vs Florida: 0.49 December 20 vs Utah: 1.12 December 21 @ Winnipeg: 0.70 Sure, Kaprizov gets the bulk of the power play time, which gives him more offensive opportunities... but the rest of the team should be able to chip in more than 0.90 expected goals per game. It doesn't take a lot to figure out why, either. Without Eriksson Ek in the lineup, the second line is currently Matt Boldy and Marcus Johansson (whose play, generously, can be described as "volatile") and Freddy Gaudreau, who is having a nice bounce-back year but isn't a second-line forward. Now that Mats Zuccarello is back in the lineup, Boldy has had to carry the second line, and he hasn't responded to the role like you'd hope. Instead of elevating his teammates, he has one goal and an assist in his past five games. And folks... that's your second line. Ryan Hartman is your best third-liner, and he's nowhere near 100% healthy. It's hard to blame him for playing through what's ailing him, either, because the Wild are already icing an entire fourth line of AHL call-ups. Enough is enough. This isn't working, and the Wild have a potential solution in Des Moines in Liam Öhgren. The Wild thought enough of Öhgren to put him on the team out of camp. However, after eight games of playing fewer than 10 minutes per night, he got sent to the AHL. The reason why they sent him down is simple: He wasn't making an impact in a fourth-line role, and John Hynes couldn't find room for him in an elevated role. That's not the case anymore. According to Evolving-Hockey's Goals Above Replacement metric, Minnesota has only eight forwards (seven healthy) with a positive offensive impact this season. Hartman's been too hurt to be on the positive side of the ledger, and Johansson's offensive impact is worse than everyone but Marat Khusnutdinov. With all due respect to call-ups Devin Shore and Ben Jones, they're not quite cutting it, either. The Wild have a need for an influx of offense, and that's what Öhgren was supposed to be for them. Why wait? Especially given that Öhgren has responded to his demotion exactly the way teams want their prospects to do. His 10 goals in 16 games lead the team, and his 15 points are second. He's riding a high shooting percentage (22.2%) but also shooting nearly 3.0 times per game, showing he can create his own shot. At this point, how can anyone on the second line or below march into Hynes' office and feel aggrieved at Öhgren taking their spot? Kaprizov (7), Marco Rossi (5), Gaudreau, Boldy, and Yakov Trenin (2 each) are the only forwards with multiple goals in December. If any player is upset at losing playing time, the obvious solution would be to score. That sounds harsh, but the secondary scoring has been absent to the point where it demands a shake-up. There are no veterans walking in through that door. The Wild had zero cap space to begin with, and they're now into LTIR money, which makes them unable to accrue cap space. There is only one card for Guerin to play, and that's to bring in Öhgren to handle second-line and second power play duty. Even considering his slow start in the NHL, there are fewer excuses to pump the brakes with their prospect with every loss.
    9 points
  8. Hey, here's an idea: let's go get Miller: a 30-year old hot headed idiot, or Petterson, who is making a mint we can't afford. I'm sure they'd just salivate at the thought of Rossi and Boldy (and a shit ton more) in exchange. Just an example. Lest we forget a team led by those two are ON the playoff bubble. A team with Rossi and Boldy leading the charge is still ahead of them and all that high priced money. Finding the right mix is hard, and I'm willing to see the season for what it is: ravaged by injures and not the fault of the 2-3 top line players the team has left.
    8 points
  9. Buium had 3 assists and an EN goal over the weekend to get his point pace right at the same pace as last season now--24 points in 20 games. Denver is a top 8 team this season. Michigan State is #1 and Stramel is up at 21 points in 24 games, which means he has now outscored his point production of the prior two seasons combined, where he had posted 20 points in 67 games. Reuniting with his US hockey development coach has absolutely been key to getting Stramel going, and we may see Adam Nightengale in the NHL some day if he decides to move beyond the college game.
    8 points
  10. He needs to pack on 10-15lbs of muscle.... lol sorry mnfan I couldn't help myself.
    8 points
  11. A number of the scorers for his team have missed time this season, which likely has lowered his point totals, but very promising to see Yurov leading his team in +/- at +11 this year, after leading his team in points last season. This year's team really struggled early on while he was returning from injury. Very excited to see he'll be joining the Wild in 2025!
    8 points
  12. Let the Danila Yurov era begin. Yurov will officially join the Minnesota Wild this season. While the KHL season extends until the end of May, according to his agent and KHL reporter Daria Tuboltseva, Yurov plans to travel to North America after his season ends in Russia. Reporter Marco D’Amico informed Hockey Wilderness, “We spoke with Danila Yurov's agent, and they confirmed having refused Metallurg's latest contract extension attempts and have informed them that Yurov will seek to sign his ELC at season's end.” That’s wonderful news for Minnesota because Yurov could be a future franchise cornerstone at either center or wing. The Wild took him 22nd overall in the 2022 draft, and while he’s been less productive this year than last, he’s displayed game-changing skills in the KHL. He’s only recorded 20 points in 37 games with Metallurg Magnitogorsk. However, he suffered an injury early in the year that may have slowed him down. However, he looked special last season, recording 49 points in 62 games while leading the team in scoring as a 20-year-old. In his first and second seasons after the Wild drafted him, Yurov scored 27 goals and 58 points in 84 games. That’s the most for a player his age in KHL history, even more than Kirill Kaprizov. Yurov broke Vladamir Taresenko’s KHL record for most points in a season by a 20-year-old player. Yurov could have made his way over to Minnesota after the conclusion of last season but chose to sign a one-year deal to play another season in the KHL. The Wild were comfortable with him staying and developing one more season in Russia. At the 2022 draft, Yurov said his goal was to play in the NHL one day and that he wanted to come to Minnesota. It had taken the Wild five years after drafting Kaprizov in the fifth round of the 2015 draft to get him to America. They wanted Yurov to arrive earlier. However, the Wild may not have the roster slots or cap space to bring Yurov over and have him play NHL games this season. Mettalurg is currently third in their division, putting them in the playoff hunt. Bringing Yurov over will not be like the Marat Khusnutdinov situation because of Yurov’s importance to the team's success and desire to contend in the playoffs. Khusnutdinov previously played for Sochi, who missed the playoffs. Magnitogorsk would have to terminate Yurov’s contract, and it most likely won’t do that with one of their star players. It appears that Yurov will be a full-time member of the Wild in 2025-26, joining fellow Russians Kaprizov and Khusnutdinov. Yurov could take a spot on the wing or play a role up the middle. The Wild believe he has the potential to fill either role. By declining his KHL offer, Yurov is creating genuine hope for Wild fans and the organization, given his unique abilities. Yurov has the tools to be a star in the league, and now it’s time to wait with anticipation, not trepidation, for his arrival. All stats and data via Elite Prospect and Hockey Prospecting unless otherwise noted.
    8 points
  13. Reading up on their stats more, I suppose you could say right now Tuch and Boldy are neck and neck, with Tuch being a whole $2.25m cheaper. But he's also 5 years older, and he's up for his deal way sooner. Tuch is what he's going to be, but if Quinn makes any strides at all, you're going to end up paying for the same amount of money a year or so out, for what may end up being the same production. Boldy's contract is set for 5 more seasons...sure as hell wouldn't want to get rid of a 60-70 pt. guy at what could or could not be under market value years from now.
    8 points
  14. We like to act like this is a one-person team. Yes, Kaprizov is putting up "superstar" numbers, but that is a one in a million player in a one in a million scenario. I continue to bring up the fact that only 50-75 players got 65-70 points last year. It is telling that Boldy seems to work best with Ek while Kap can work with anyone (though admittedly, works in tandem with Zucc and Rossi really well). I am not worried about Boldy. What the Wild need are more around them. Rossi elevated, Faber elevated, and Middleton sure as shit found a new gear. The real issue is the gulf between the 60-70 point players is more like 30-40 than 50-60. The team focused solidly on defensive structure first, but need another 1-2 people to breakthrough or join the roster and stay even with the Boldy, Rossi, Ek, Faber, Zucc types. That doesn't just "happen." Mojo is gone after this season. Someone (Yurov or a free agent) will take over. They don't have the money nor LTIR space to make something crazy happen, even if we'd like them to.
    8 points
  15. When we wrote about Marco Rossi's game evolving during the season on Friday, we weren't expecting him to add a new wrinkle one day later. But that's the kind of thing that happens when you watch a player take "The Leap," so we've got to write more about it. On Saturday morning, Mats Zuccarello instructed the 23-year-old center in practice: Pass more. With Kirill Kaprizov's 23 goals out of the lineup, it's hard to fathom why you'd tell someone to score fewer goals. However, Rossi took the advice, and it worked like a dream. Rossi was dominant offensively despite having zero shots on goal, getting assists on all four goals in a 4-0 blanking of a 23-14-2 Carolina Hurricanes team. His passes were so smooth and on-point that you'd never know this was only Rossi's fourth multi-assist game in 143 career games. And, like most dominant outings, he had multiple passes that easily could have resulted in more goals. No one's about to turn up their nose at a young center on pace for 30 goals, but this was a coming-out party for the version of Rossi that led the OHL in assists during his draft year. Our Kaprizov-less Rossi point count is up to 11 in six games (these past five, plus November 23). His Kaprizov-like run as the team's offensive catalyst is vaulting him into the conversation of being among the best players in the NHL. Evolving-Hockey has two stats to measure a player's performance: Goals Above Replacement and xGoals Above Replacement. By both models, Rossi is a top-20 player in the league this year, worth 3.4 points in each metric. The only other NHLers in the top 20 in both metrics are Leon Draisaitl, Quinn Hughes, Cale Makar, Tom Wilson, Lucas Raymond, and Brandon Hagel. That's elite company, and it gets better when we look at it through a historical lens. The low-hanging fruit is how good Rossi has been compared to young players throughout Minnesota Wild history. We get it, it's a low bar to clear. Still, Rossi finds himself in elite company when you stack up his first 40 games against every Under-24 player in franchise history. When you're out-pacing Rookie Kaprizov and Matt Boldy on a list... that's nice. That's real nice. Then you look at the all-around value Rossi's provided to the team, and he's got numbers that look an awful lot like the top centers of the last decade and a half. Let's look at the top seasons from an age-22 center since the 2007-08 season (Evolving-Hockey's age cut-off is by draft year, hence why he's 22 here) and see where Rossi stacks up. GAR/60 By An Age-22 Center: Alex Wennberg, 2017-18: 0.964 Jonathan Toews, 2011-12: 0.962 Brayden Point, 2018-19: 0.941 Matt Duchene, 2013-14: 0.916 MARCO ROSSI, 2024-25: 0.901 Auston Matthews, 2020-21: 0.859 Sidney Crosby, 2009-10: 0.848 David Krejčí, 2008-09: 0.842 Nathan MacKinnon, 2017-18: 0.806 Ryan Getzlaf, 2007-08: 0.804 Obviously, Wennberg is the big outlier here (and his drop-off can be explained by a history of concussions), but it's more enlightening to look at the rest of the list. Crosby and Toews are slam-dunk Hall of Famers. Matthews and MacKinnon are Hart Trophy winners. Ryan Getzlaf had over 1,000 points in his career, and Duchene (846 points at age 34) might join him in that group. Brayden Point has almost 600 points before turning 29. Outside of Wennberg, the "worst case" in the top 10 is Krejčí, the No. 2 center behind Patrice Bergeron on a perennially contending Boston Bruins team that won a Stanley Cup. Still, 786 points in 1,032 games is nothing to sneeze at from an offensive standpoint. Rossi is the best asset any team could have right now: A young, productive No. 1 center. He's played every game since last season. He's produced without power play time, he's produced with power play minutes, he's produced with Kaprizov, he's produced more without Kaprizov. Dating back to last season, Rossi and Brock Faber are the only Wild players not to miss a game. There's nothing left to prove, and it's time to pay up. Our last update on Rossi's future with Minnesota came from Michael Russo on December 26's "Worst Seats In the House" podcast -- five games and nine points ago. While Rossi doesn't appear to be on the trade block, the Wild are still in wait-and-see mode on a contract extension, with Kaprizov's final number on his mega-extension being the reason to wait. The Wild's priority No. 1 is undoubtedly ensuring Kaprizov stays in the State of Hockey for years to come. But Rossi is quickly becoming 1A. Assuming we're seeing the Real Rossi -- which feels fairly safe, given his draft pedigree -- it's almost impossible to overpay for what he brings to the table. He's a dynamic, two-way center on pace to score 31 goals and 76 points. The track record of centers who've produced to that degree at such a young age is very, very good. Then add in the defensive excellence he's showing, and we're talking about a player who can help Joel Eriksson Ek tilt the ice in the Wild's favor for years to come. NHL front offices must build around their stars, and they need to build down the middle. Rossi fits both criteria. Heading into the season, Evolving-Hockey projected the AAV of a long-term (seven-year) Rossi extension to be $5.7 million. That's not a realistic price anymore. Looking at his peers from the 2020 Draft, Tim Stützle (40 points in 38 games this year) has an AAV of $8.35, Lucas Raymond (41 points in 39 games) just signed for $8.08 million per year, and Alexis Lafrenière (21 points in 38 games) is making $7.45 million. Rossi's number has to start with an "8." And if you're the Wild, you have to do it while laughing about getting another young star through their prime for a bargain. Minnesota can figure out the rest later. By the time Kaprizov's extension kicks in, the NHL will (presumably) have raised the cap twice, and Mats Zuccarello's money will be off the books. If Minnesota has to trade a lesser player to make the overall picture work, that's the price you have to pay. Remember -- the goal is to keep Kaprizov long-term and to set themselves up to build a Cup winner around him. Kaprizov might score 100 points this season, even with 70 games. Locking down Kaprizov's center from his best-ever season has to sweeten the pot, no? The Wild can go to him and say, We're not just dumping money on you, but we're setting you up with the Nicklas Bäckström to your Alex Ovechkin for the next eight years. Minnesota presumably had a chance to get in on the ground floor and didn't. That was a mistake. They don't have to make it again. The Wild can lock up their No. 1 center through his '20s and ensure that Rossi's rapidly-growing game doesn't lead to a rapidly-growing price tag.
    8 points
  16. Here is the most interesting part of this, and someone else pointed this out earlier, holding out Kaprizov to heal when he probably could be gutting out an injury, will reveal some of the character of the players. The expectation was to watch Boldy go on a heater and lead this team in goals and to victory. Well, he's hit 2 shootout winners in that time. However, it has been Rossi who has shined, not Boldy during this time. What has been revealed is that Rossi is an excellent talent and doesn't need Kaprizov to produce offense. He's better with Kaprizov on the ice, but he can also work with other talented players. Would this make Rossi a better candidate to lead a 2nd top 6 line? Maybe not with the players we have now, but it could be with players still coming. There's also a benefit to a Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov line, that's the top PP unit right there. The lines don't get jumbled with PP time. But, can Rossi mix with Yurov when he comes over and maybe Zuccarello for a year? What does an Ohgren-Rossi-Yurov line look like down the road? I won't get to watch the Canes game until tomorrow, but to go in an knock off 2 beasts of the Atlantic Division and Rossi plays a starring role in that, I think that is what will speak to Shooter. For those interested, Rossi is quickly approaching last season's point production with about 1/2 a season left. It's also important to acknowledge that he's had success with and without Kaprizov on his line.
    8 points
  17. The team can play and win, but not when injured or sloppy. Stop worrying about "winning now.". Just be glad they are 5th-10th all season and only looked like shit recently. They don't have to vault teams like last year. They just can't let losing streaks happen either. The season isn't for naught, but be realistic. The team has a lopsided focus. I believe it is a personnel issue that shouldn't come at the cost of future success. The rush to win now and fix the now is what made stupid trades like Hanzal happen. If a no-brainer offer happens, fine, but the fact the Wild only have stinkers games 1/3 or 1/4 of the time, and can comeback or stay tied with just about anyone is encouraging. You want facts? Boldy is good, but not Kaprizov good. Rossi is the best offensive center they have. Ek is hurt and is nowhere the offensive player he was last year. Hartman is not anywhere near what he should be (.22 PPG). There is a Mojo sized hole in the top six that won't be fixed or Guerin would have done that by now. The AHL depth has been about as ineffectual as last season. They DON'T have money to throw at their problems. They have and should keep Kap and Rossi and get addition by subtraction in due time when they can afford it. If no-brainer trades come, they come. But don't expect it to fix glaring red flags either. The team caught lucky breaks. Don't confuse that for being world beaters. Winnipeg, Dallas, LA have the year in year out track record to bust their balls to win now. The Wild haven't for a decade. Take progress for what it is and enjoy the ride.
    8 points
  18. I would guess that patient teams end up with more assets to make moves when they truly need them--the Wild winning a cup this year doesn't seem possible, so trading for a more interesting team today doesn't excite me. Teams that try to accelerate their success often fail to reach the ultimate goal when they run out of assets to make a move to put them over the top. Ohgren could be part of a trade at some point, but he has a really bright future and may end up more productive in a couple of years than guys you could trade him for right now. The Wild currently have a pipeline of prospects that could improve the team along with cap space to do so. Trading assets now for players the Wild could get in the offseason doesn't seem like the best way to maximize assets for future years. Yes, I'm always fearful of the next Hanzal deal. That deal made the team worse in both the season he was obtained and in future years. Dallas selected both Jake Oettinger and Jason Robertson with picks that occurred later than the 1st round selection the Wild traded away in that 2017 draft.
    7 points
  19. Jiricek's should fit in as a RHD Bogo replacement quite nicely I think. He still has a lot of potential to be more than that. He does lack in the beard dept. As far as the other defenseman on the ice the last few games: Chisholm... WTF? Dude looked stellar this season and was taking strides but has absolutely choked when given this opportunity. I have to keep reminding myself that the guy is still technically a rookie though. Bogo & Jake are not a good pairing. Both these guys need to be paired with speed. Merrill has played better this year but still a 7D. Dermott is below Merrill. Bottom line is that we can really see the value of Spurg, Fabes and Brodin and the comprehensive value of this D corp when healthy. It is the engine that drives this team.
    7 points
  20. You do realize that Zuccarello has 7 points in his last 4 games without Kaprizov, right? If you can point to a time that Johansson has done that in the last 2 seasons, I'd be quite shocked. When healthy, Zuccarello is a top 6 forward. Most teams do not have 6 guys who are all 6' or taller and point per night guys. Zuccarello has the passing to help others score.
    7 points
  21. 60 point season after a 40 point season last year is not some chump change increase...
    7 points
  22. Get it done, and get it done fast. I was worried when I saw 3-4 high priced extensions around the league in the off-season. The Wild "could" have set the market low and gotten an Ek bargain. Sure as shit can't do that now. No cheap bridges, no team discounts, no, "hope someone offers a fool's ransom.". Rossi IS the fool's ransom, and he's going to laugh to the bank for about $2-2.5m more than the Wild could have had him for. Rossi almost matched last year's point total in half a season, most coming in the last week. For a GM that usually signed people early, Guerin didn't get this right .
    7 points
  23. Speaking of a Wild guy. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6020896/2024/12/27/wild-marco-rossi-bill-guerin/ TL:DR: Rossi is clutch as fuck, and Guerin/Hynes know what they have. He doesn't moan, he doesn't complain, he doesn't blame anyone: he just keeps getting better. Kap gets first dibs, but Rossi looks like (and should be) 2nd priority as soon as the Wild know the cap space they can work with.
    7 points
  24. I'm not saying it's impossible to get Tuch, but if the Wild trade out Rossi(who has more goals and more assists) and a 2nd round pick to do that, how much better does that actually make the Wild? Tuch is a solid player and I'd be happy to have him on the team, but Buffalo isn't going to give him away for free, or straight up for Trenin.
    6 points
  25. Ohgren played better. Not only did he stay structured but he was more aggressive. I like his play better than Nojo....and he got a nice apple. Jiricek had his best performance so far. He had fewer D mistakes and jumped in on offense well. Faber was up to speed and dang does he make a difference when his game is on. This D core will only get better over the next year.
    6 points
  26. I swear to God, y'all would've traded MacKinnon. You can't have a young team if you're not willing to let them develop.
    6 points
  27. Exactly! Tuch's size, speed and skill have dragged Buffalo all the way....to the bottom of the Eastern Conference Standings! The same Eastern Conference that some dimwits claim is soft and easy and the only reason Rossi has any points...😂😂😂😂
    6 points
  28. Truth. Guys like L'Heureux are going to do what they do regardless of who's on the other team. Fortunately guys like him are a small minority. L'Heureux is 5'11 197lbs not all that much bigger than Rossi. Guys like him do not have the skill level of Rossi so they find a way to stay in the league so even smaller guys can play heavy and can keep themselves hanging around the league. I get ODC's point on deterrence and needing some bigger players on the top six particularly in the playoffs but you also need the Rossi types. Guys who get you clutch goals when you need them. He reminds me of Dino Ciccarelli (for you old guys) who was nearly the identical size as Rossi who wound up a point a game player over his career. And this was when the league was bar room brawl many nights. We can say trade this player for that player and all will be well. Don't work that way. These players are not always plug and play.
    6 points
  29. So who exactly is going to get those greasy/gritty goals to make up for Rossi being let go? Good luck getting to playoffs outright without the stuff Rossi is providing. We have no idea that Ohgren or Yurov are just going to flip that switch. Sure as shit doesn't look like Khusnutdinov is that guy. No team is just a bunch of 6'6 goons. Talent doesn't grow on trees.
    6 points
  30. Their best 3 defensemen are hurt. Gus has been a top 5-10 goalie all season. Fleury has said he's done and won't do it over again. Wall has to figure out his shit, or we're on the Gus Bus for the long haul. Not the worst thing, depending on the price.
    6 points
  31. Yea I agree, when you’re three feet away from the boards and have your back turned away from the other player and he plows you head first into the wall. It’s sort of like hitting a defenseless player in football. Koldsore is a dirty player though..
    6 points
  32. Neil, I have to agree with most of your assessment here. I didn't see the part of being too far over his toes and losing the smaller player, but I will say his turning radius is more like a Suburban than a Subaru. When he finally caught the player in the video, he certainly punished him against the boards. And, I think that's what I really like about him, he plays a mean game. We need a few mean players. I also suspect he will be sent back down, but I think timeline for bringing him up is sometime in March before the TDL. I'd like a chance to see Lambos, and I really believe that Merrill could be seeing an address change. Dermott cannot be traded, he just has to be let go. But I think I'd take Dermott over Merrill at this point. Merrill simply doesn't have the speed anymore to play against the faster teams...the teams we'll see in the playoffs. That's why Lambos' debut is so important. He'll be faster than Merrill, if he can be more of a shutdown, then, it's time for him to slot into the games. I don't know about Chisholm last night, but I saw several mistakes in the prior 2 games. He works well when partnered with Spurgeon (who doesn't) but when he's the better player in the top 4, there are struggles. I like him as a player, but we do need to temper expectations. I do think he could be involved in a deal for Tuch, especially if Lambos checks out.
    6 points
  33. Did some rough math of the top 16 teams and their GF and GA Winnipeg: 156 GF, 108 GA Washington: 156 GF, 111 GA Vegas: 143 GF, 112 GA Minnesota: 129 GF, 116 GA Toronto: 135 GF, 124 GA New Jersey 142 GF, 114 GA Dallas: 132 GF, 101 GA Edmonton: 139 GF, 117 GA Carolina: 145 GF, 118 GA Colorado: 146 GF, 137 GA Florida: 140 GF, 132 GA Los Angeles: 121 GF, 98 GA Vancouver: 123 GF, 129 GA Tampa Bay: 146 GF, 110 GA Boston: 116 GF, 142 GA Calgary: 107 GF, 122 GA GF Ranks Winnipeg: 156 Washington: 156 Colorado: 146 Tampa Bay: 146 Carolina: 145 Vegas: 143 New Jersey: 142 Florida: 140 Edmonton: 139 Toronto: 135 Dallas: 132 Minnesota: 129 (12th) Vancouver: 123 Los Angeles: 121 Boston: 116 Calgary: 107 GA Ranks Los Angeles: 98 Dallas: 101 Winnipeg: 108 Tampa Bay: 110 Washington: 111 Vegas: 112 New Jersey: 114 Minnesota: 116 (8th) Edmonton: 117 Carolina: 118 Calgary: 122 Toronto: 124 Vancouver: 129 Florida: 132 Colorado: 137 Boston: 142 So, of the top teams, they are in the top half defensively, but bottom 1/3 offensively. Within the conference, here's Minnesota against them. Within Conference: GF Ranks Winnipeg: 156 Colorado: 146 Vegas: 143 Edmonton: 135 Dallas: 132 Minnesota: 129 (6th) Vancouver: 123 Los Angeles: 121 Calgary: 107 GA Los Angeles: 98 Dallas: 101 Winnipeg: 108 Vegas: 112 Minnesota: 116 (5th) Edmonton: 117 Calgary: 122 Vancouver: 129 Colorado: 137 Now, bear in mind that Minnesota is likely facing either Dallas or Colorado at this point. Colorado's early rough start and Minnesota's hot early streak may account for differences, but Minnesota's "woeful" offense isn't really all that bad compared to Dallas. The biggest concern might be dealing with getting goalied. Winnipeg and Colorado are for sure (pure numbers wise) a bigger problem. Things will obviously change as the year goes on, but Minnesota isn't completely out of the woods too much. Minnesota has played Dallas closer than most other years too...so that would be an advantageous matchup. I sure as shit don't want Winnipeg, LA, or Colorado.
    6 points
  34. He's bigger than Rossi. That's about it. ABR (anybody but Rossi) I'm ABN (anybody but NoJo).
    6 points
  35. I like the article for the most part, but what’s with this Alex Tuch obsession that people seem to have? Was it because he played here before and was traded away on a bad deal?
    6 points
  36. If someone wanted to destroy a locker room. This would be the blue print to so it. I can see trying to get one of tuch or quinn but Guerin isnt trading Boldy or any of the 3 building block prospects that could be mainstays in ‘25/26 and beyond.
    6 points
  37. Boldy is a much more complete player than Fiala is/was. He is better along the walls and is a better back-checker and stick-checker. His shot isn't as lethal as Fiala's but it's still a damn good shot. Feels like he's been in the league for a long time now but he's only 22 and is on a good value contract. The last few games he's going more north/south and using his big frame to make plays which is what he needs to do. That 1-on-3 that he hit the post on against Carolina was almost the best goal I've seen "live" he went 1-on-2 last night that almost resulted in a goal. If anyone would rather have Fiala instead of Boldy it goes against the whole creed and obsession of having size. Fiala is only an inch taller than Rossi and about the same weight. He would "get killed in the Western playoffs too."
    6 points
  38. And this team is showing they can do that even when Kap is gone. It is a good thing for the relationship between Kap and the team. Kap was playing better than ever with Rossi as his 1C. Rossi is excelling even when Kap isn't there. Why would Kap want Rossi not on the team? In fact, Rossi having a banner year is likely making a better case for Kap to stay, just like our defense clicking and our goaltending standing up will also continue to make the case. Rossi has got the majority of his goals in front of the net so I'm not sure where you are getting this Rossi is going to get destroyed in front of the net in playoffs from. Truth is, as nice as it would be to get Tuch or this Columbus beefcake, we have no cap room. We has very little that we can add without subtraction, and very few players that we are willing to part with outside NMC's and NTC's. not sure this is the year we will make a big add at the deadline, and I am okay with seeing how this team does post season with this same roster. If we can get everyone decently healthy, I like our odds against any team, other than Winnipeg.
    6 points
  39. I was wondering why this topic was still going days later. But then I remembered two things: Rossi's a big success, and ODC having a fucking fit about it. If I can offer a stupid solution to this: we (as in us posters) know jackshit about how this team should, does, and will operate. We can speculate until our cheeks, balls, and asses turn blue, but it won't make a bit of difference. All we can do is watch a team play game in, game out, and whatever happens happens. The only "truths" right now are this: The Wild are winning despite injuries. Rossi is one hell of a reason for that. You keep the players who help you win, and he's doing that. Asking whether or not his size will or won't protect some other player is pointless. A player can get beat up, punched in the face, fallen on, slew footed, or just sneeze hard or pick up their fucking garbage wrong. We aren't in the room with these people. Never will be. The other truth is we don't even know the Wild will make the playoffs. There's evidence to suggest they will given half the season, but they could all get roflstomped by every team going forward. You know what is also true? They may not. Funny thing. Rossi may score GOALS against the teams that ODC and other doubters hate and fear so much. He's proven capable of beating lots of top teams because that's what good players do. I've been saying from day one that Kap is the priority. I would like Rossi to get his due. And have it done soon. But the reality is I don't know what plans Guerin can and can't do. But I have seen what other teams in the past tried when they were "winners" and it wasn't pretty. The Wild are ahead of schedule. That's great. But what money, what players, what things can they even work with? You want to add some crazy contract to the mix that will make Rossi or Gus unsignable later? I'd rather not. There's a chance the team can win every game for the rest of the season or fall on its face. I'm content in the knowledge that I've seen what happens when people chase their own tails. I'd rather they not do that. Forgive me for seeing today's truth for what it is: today's truth. Call me a buyer if the Wild can get a 10 game winning streak with all that's going on right now.
    6 points
  40. Fuck that goon. Spurgeon was still playing high end hockey.
    6 points
  41. I don't know if even Billy would be stupid enough to shake this team up now. Much less sending Rossi down the road regardless of the return. This team is rolling and beating some of the best teams in the league without our stud Rooskie and two of our best D men. Slicing and dicing on this team now would be very ill advised. Chemistry is a very fragile thing and this team has it right now in spades. You can replace players with others who tip the scales at twenty or thirty pounds of more muscle and much better stats but if you lose that chemistry ya got nothing. #Nashville
    6 points
  42. The Wild now have GOOD problems. Guerin may not be perfect in the PR or fun-likable dept. but he's turned the Wild around. Rossi only lacks a big, strong, defense game with lengthy reach and faceoff dominance. He will deserve a big raise. Guerin's job hasn't been an easy one. What he does this off-season should be good. That's the best time and NoJo will be gone. I think Kaprizov knows the team is very close. When guys come back from injuries and when a final solution comes about related to Spurgeon, MN will look really good. The Wild need to keep Rossi as the long-term replacement for Zuccarello. He might need another 1-year deal too. These are okay problems to have. The Wild appear to be true contenders.
    6 points
  43. Canada losing on their home ice in their capital city-priceless. Somewhere in here, there is a Czechia Master Card commercial. MAF I think asked for this game. And, he was ready to put on a show. A lot of times we place these players under the term "competitor" but sometimes we forget another important part in "entertainer." MAF hasn't forgotten that aspect, and neither has Ovechkin. While they're in the twilight of their hockey careers, their large personalities will really be missed in this game. I still can't help but feel like we stole money out of the Caps wallet last night. It just seemed like we were short so many players and just gutted it out. I'm really hoping that the Boldy shootout winner helps him gain confidence. We need his scoring right now. He's been passed by Rossi on the scoresheet, and we need to take note of both this from Boldy's angle and Rossi's angle. Rossi has scored some really important goals for us this season, as has Boldy, but Rossi hasn't tried to dress up as the invisible man for a lengthy halloween season.
    6 points
  44. I can clearly remember the last time it felt like Christmas Morning to be a Wild fan. The exact date was July 4, 2012, the date the Minnesota Wild signed the now-onerous and crippling Zach Parise and Ryan Suter contracts. Make no mistake, no one thought those deals would look good in the mid-2020s. But that was a problem for mid-2020s Wild fans. Ha ha. But for the moment, it genuinely felt like Christmas Morning. It had everything -- Wild fans making a wish list for those players, the anticipation, and even a dramatic flourish with owner Craig Leipold bringing them to Minnesota via plane as beat writers hid in the bushes to take a peek. It was undeniably Christmas in July. (And no, I don't want to hear about how Kirill Kaprizov's arrival in Minnesota was like Christmas Morning. The day Kaprizov arrived was like when your deadbeat dad shows up for the first time in four years and gives you a gift that's "for the birthdays he missed," but it's good enough for you to say, "Actually, Ron kinda came through here.") But now that the hangover of Christmas Morning 1.0 will wear off in July 2025, we're being promised Christmas Morning 2.0. No, really. "Next July 1 is going to be like Christmas," declared Mr. Leipold back in October. And I'm afraid of Christmas morning. Don't get me wrong, I'm writing to Santa about a long-term extension for Kirill Kaprizov to arrive on exactly that date. Whether it's for $13, $14, or, heck, $20 million per year, I don't care as long as it's eight years. If that gets done, I'll get something I'm thrilled about under the tree. But after four straight lean years where the Wild have had to do their shopping at Five Below, there's no doubt Minnesota wants to make a big splurge. That's also the fear -- of leaving a Parise/Suter situation and diving right into another one. That's not an indictment on Mr. Leipold's ownership. For one, it's his team and his money, and Wild fans should be happy to have an owner willing to break the bank to try and field a winning product. You can hop the Green Line over to Target Field Station and see what happens when the owner isn't as willing to invest in the team. Nor is it an admonishment of the Parise/Suter contracts. Those two were top-50 players, and the Wild were an afterthought in the NHL before those moves. They became relevant overnight and remained so ever since. The ending would always be bad, but if I had a chance to go back in time and get the Wild's ear before signing those deals... I'd advise them to do it again. But this is a different free agent class, a different Wild team, and a different juncture in franchise history. Let's start with the players available. There are only three players who've been in the NHL's Top-50 in Evolving-Hockey's Standings Points Above Replacement since the start of the 2021-22 season that are hitting free agency: Mitch Marner (seventh), Mikko Rantanen (eighth), and Brad Marchand (28th). If Marner or Rantanen want to sign with your team, you do that in a heartbeat and ask questions later. Marchand would move the needle. Still, at 37, he'd be a short-term, late-career signing. Everyone else is especially subject to The Winner's Curse, where signing them virtually guarantees a bad ending. To get a player in free agency, you're almost always overpaying in both money and term. Look at the Nashville Predators, who had their Christmas morning in July. They threw cash around and inked two-time Rocket Richard Trophy winner Steven Stamkos, Conn Smythe Trophy winner Jonathan Marchessault, and threw in a top-four defenseman in Brady Skjei for good measure. Look what they got for it: Seventh place in the Central Division, with Stamkos and Marchessault on pace for 22-and-24-goal seasons, respectively. No one is saying the Wild can't use a top-six center in Matt Duchene, Brock Nelson, or John Tavares, even into their mid-to-late 30s. Nor would a right-shot scoring winger like Brock Boeser or a speedster like Nikolaj Ehlers be out of place in Minnesota. But again, this is a different Wild team at a different juncture of their franchise. They have Kaprizov and Matt Boldy, two star players who will keep them relevant. Minnesota also isn't so desperate for centers that it needs to sign a Faustian contract to get one -- while the depth isn't great, Marco Rossi and Joel Eriksson Ek make a good 1-2 punch. They also have a great prospect pool that won't need to carry the team the way Minnesota depended on Mikael Granlund and company to do in 2012. Goalie Jesper Wallstedt and defenseman Zeev Buium probably need to become tentpole pieces. Still, if players like Danila Yurov, Liam Öhgren, David Jiricek, and Riley Heidt become solid players instead of stars, that doesn't throw the whole plan into flux. The Wild did a great job assembling this foundation, and it'd be a shame if an ill-advised free agent signing blew that up. How would it feel if, four years from now, the Wild were forced to choose between keeping Buium and Jiricek, or Rossi and Yurov because they had one or two poorly-aging Stamkos-esque contracts? Now, free agency isn't the only way to bring aboard an impact player. If the Wild target a young player on the outs with their team or one who wants out, that's a different story. The Florida Panthers did that with Matthew Tkachuk, for example. The whispers are out about Elias Pettersson, and buying low on a three-time 30-goal scorer at center before turning 27 would be exactly the kind of Christmas morning move I would welcome. It's hard to imagine that the Wild won't make a big splash this offseason. The front office and ownership are motivated to make a move. Minnesota is in a contention window with Kaprizov, and the fanbase is starved for something good after four years of league-imposed frugality. But Christmas morning needs to come with the right presents, or the memory of Christmas 2.0 will turn into sour egg nog.
    6 points
  45. I hope they play Liam O wherever he can develop the best overall. I’m interested in longterm results. I’m absolutely certain he will hit his ceiling, whatever that is. I base that opinion on his family history of professional hockey players. So far his development trajectory is on spot. He’s one of five young players I’m really excited to see play for the Wild when he’s done baking. The future is bright.
    6 points
  46. He did come back in the game, but surprising that wasn't a penalty. Isn't that the type of dangerous play they want eliminated?
    5 points
  47. One thing I forgot to mention, Kaprizov going after the guy who hit Rossi which looked like knee to knee. Last year, around this time, Rossi went after a guy who took liberties with Kaprizov. Is it that he wore green, or does Kap have a bond with Rossi? Before trading Rossi away, perhaps this needs to be investigated. Kaprizov may like playing with Rossi.
    5 points
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