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  1. Just sign the guy and be done with this stupid saga. The Sabres did the Wild a favor, and getting rid of Gaudreau opened up some cash to sign both Rossi AND Boeser/Ehlers. None of this stops Yurov or Ohgren from making the team next year. If Yurov outplays Rossi after that, fine. This really shouldn't have been so hard. Due diligence is fine, but Kap, Rossi, Top 6 wing, fucking done...overthinking is right.
    12 points
  2. If we trade Rossi for another young D-man I'm done trying to understand bill's long-term plan and will determine that there is no plan
    12 points
  3. So, what top 6 center, or real scoring winger was available? No legitimate top 6 centers were available, Boeser was offered his contract before free agency opened, and Ehlers wants to play in a warmer climate. Also, even if Rossi were to sign a one-year deal, he would still be a RFA next year with us still controlling his rights.
    11 points
  4. The longer this Rossi thing continues, the increased likelihood of BG fubar-ing this thing up.
    11 points
  5. The free agency class was weak, most of who we dreamt of getting were off the market before the opening bell. Where are people getting the idea we were promised a top 6 winger and a scoring center? I think those were the lies we told ourselves but I could be wrong. Going into the season with cap flexibility will be a big change for them this year, opens up the chances to make trades in season for someone worth while. As far as no deal for Kap or Rossi yet, its summer, these things take time, plus Vlad has said Kap was the one who convinced him to waive his NTC to come here, that should mean something. When it comes to Rossi, who knows what he is asking, maybe its a 7 year 8+ mil contract which would give me pause. If it is known that he is available and they aren't getting decent offers then for sure hold onto him and see if anyone changes their mind, or he earns a larger new contract from the wild. I get its already July 3rd and no Kap or Rossi moves which is wild, I mean its been 2 whole days. Do we know where Kap is today? I am guessing that kind of signing would want to be done in person. Starting next year, contracts start to fall off opening a lot more money, yes new contracts for Kap and others. Lets say Kap gets 15/year, thats only 6mil more a year, that is offset by losing Zucc, Vlad, NoJo and Bogo, which opens up 11+ mil. 2 years, Hartman, Spurge, and Sturm for another 13.5 mil opened. The hope is a couple young guys step up on cheep contracts to take spots then fill in with big spending on high end guys. Maybe get a few good new contracts like Boldy for 7/yr or Ek for 5.25/year. Craig had poor marketing calling this Christmas, because that wasn't possible, BUT, it does open up the window to shake the team up and make real changes. Pie in the sky, a lot of prospects hit and we have massive trade ammo to go get a Brady Tkachuk or Rantanen style player. Perhaps its a slow burn Christmas.
    10 points
  6. Rather than Christmas season, it felt more like tax return season. Suddenly Guerin has some money to play with and I'm fine with him waiting for a great deal rather than blowing it all right away on a shiny new toy at full price.
    10 points
  7. Leopold wanted and promised "Christmas in July", but I would rather Guerin make no deal than a bad one. Keep the cap space available, and wait for the right opportunity to come.
    10 points
  8. Have you watched the whole sequence leading up to the OT goal in Game 5 or just the two seconds before the goal? It has been written and analyzed here and many other places what lead to the goal. Brazeau late to his man, Merrill out of position following his man too far out, Bogosian left his man and misplayed the puck along the boards, Rossi had his man tied up along the boards and left him to cover Bogosian's guy in the position that Merrill should have been in, and game over. And, oh yeah, where was the Wild's playoff MVP, Trenin? Definitely not recognizing and reacting to a defensive breakdown. You can criticize Rossi for a lot of things, but not the Game 5 OT goal. One more thing on Trenin. When you perform so poorly and set the bar so low during the regular season that even lacing your own skates in the playoffs is an improvement that's sad. And definitely not worth $3.5M. Go ahead Rossi haters and Trenin lovers... start spewing your putrid, vomit-filled, nonsensical replies.
    10 points
  9. Buffalo got Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and a first for Eichel. They weren't going to need to trade Rossi to make that deal. And the root of wanting to keep Rossi now is for the same reason as it was then: You need numbers to build a great center group. Don't swap a center for another, put together elite depth down the middle. This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
    10 points
  10. I fully agree with the writer. Let's not forget that MN was among the top teams after the first quarter of the season. The only thing that really hurt us were the injuries and the bad special teams. Regarding this off-season, we are basically replacing players that had less of an impact with fresh young talent: Brazeau < Öhgren Nyqvist < Yurov Bogo < Jiricek Chisholm < Buium If we add another quality player, the team will have a great core. There is more upside in the team than risk: Regression candidates: Zucc, Spurgeon, Bogo, Foligno Improvement candidates: Rossi, Boldy, Brock, Hartmann, Trenin Workload management can help to keep the older players away from injuries and fresh for the second half. Additionally, a full season of Spurge, Ek and Kap will make this team significantly better. We should not overreact and burn assets for short term promises. Get a star producing (+60 points) winger via UFA, extend Rossi and we are set. Only if the market is heating up and GMs get desperate we should try to capitalize. Would hate to see Öhgren or Lambos go. Both of the will he NHL ready at some point next season.
    10 points
  11. Great article Tony. Like you say, there are not many options out there that would make us considerably better. Better to hold out and see what transpires. There is the 2026 free agent class that if they do not resign, they may be available for trade during the year, or at the trade deadline, much like Ranty was last year. Sometimes it is better to be patient and get what you want than to do something just for the sake of doing it.
    10 points
  12. Well, when they make that trade you'll get to have a big, big laugh, won't you?
    10 points
  13. This isn't meant to be an argument but rather looking at last season from a different perspective. Would Rossi have been higher than a 60 point player last season if Kaprizov and Ek wouldn't have been out at the same time for an extended period? IMO absolutely. Guerin is quick to say that Ek needs depth help. Guerin was tight-lipped when Rossi stepped in to Ek's role while he was injured, without having Kaprizov's help as well. Rossi has been and continues to be held to a higher standard than others on the team and around the league. I wish the Wild management and coaches, along with the Rossi hating fans, would just come out and say they don't like him rather than trying to make lame excuses for not wanting him around. Grow some balls, people, because statistically moving on from Rossi just doesn't make sense.
    9 points
  14. With the absolute bottom of the barrel options available in FA, Im glad Guerin chose to sit on his hands. Overpaying for a guy like Boeser would have been a huge disappointment. Especially since he doesnt really put up much more points than rossi, and is worse in the defensive end. Im usually critical of Billy, but its not his fault that there were no good players going into FA this year.
    9 points
  15. Nashville would have won the cup if it was awarded last off-season. Didn't work out so well
    9 points
  16. Now that the article on the Athletic has specified we are out on Boeser, I don't hate the move. I am okay with one guy we are hoping for a rebound year from, I just dreaded seeing us use up all our cap space on two reclaim projects. If he bounces back to form it could be a cheap steal for us, if he plays like last year though, that 4.75M is a bit steep. On the upside, we didn't pay a dime for him as he was cap dump and should still have some $$ in the bank for trade deadline. I have no disillusions that Tarasenko will be an 80pt player ever again, but he could be a good trigger man for the second line if all works out.
    9 points
  17. I've always said that a 7 million per year deal might seem high right now but by 2029 it will be cheap.
    9 points
  18. The Marco Rossi Discourse has officially detached itself from reality. We just saw the Florida Panthers build a dynasty on a foundation rehabilitating former top-10 picks that were unhappy, coming off a down year, or both. Sam Reinhart (No. 2 overall in 2014), Seth Jones (No. 4 in 2013), Sam Bennett (No. 4 in 2014), and Matthew Tkachuk (No. 6 in 2016). They made bets -- sometimes massive bets -- on top talent and hoped their organization would figure it out. This is a copycat league, as they say. Yet, as the Minnesota Wild's top-six center is coming off a career-high 60-point season at the age of 23, no one seems to want him particularly badly. Least of all, as much as GM Bill Guerin has tried to downplay it, the historically center-starved Wild, who've been rumored to be looking at trading him for the last two summers. Or three, since he might be on the move this week. Whether trying to low-ball Guerin on a player he doesn't seem particularly committed to, similarly worried about his size, or scared off by the fact that the Wild demoted and kept him on the fourth line in the playoffs, teams aren't biting. The Vancouver Canucks are believed to have only offered the 15th overall pick in tonight's draft for him. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Sabres apparently turned down an offer of Marco Rossi and "another roster player and/or prospects and picks" for JJ Peterka, according to The Athletic's Michael Russo. Instead, Buffalo flipped Peterka for 25-year-old Michael Kesselring and 23-year-old Josh Doan. Combined, the two players have a career 4.9 Standings Points Above Replacement in 218 games, per Evolving-Hockey. That's just barely more than Rossi had over 82 games last season (4.4 SPAR). We don't specifically know what was offered alongside Rossi, of course, and Kesselring being a right-shot defenseman does fill a need. Still... what are we doing here? We're living in Bizarro World when it comes to Rossi. The Athletic's Shayna Goldman, one of the brightest minds in hockey analysis, wrote about the apprehensions teams may have for Rossi: Issue number two revolves around whether Rossi can drive his own line or is just a passenger to Kirill Kaprizov. ... These two do mesh well together. In 407 five-on-five minutes together this year, the Wild earned a 57 percent expected goal rate and outscored opponents 24-16. Rossi was still above break-even in expected and actual goals without Kaprizov, but wasn’t as in control. No one on earth is going to suggest that Kaprizov isn't the primary driving force on any line he's on. Kaprizov carries the puck and can do dynamic things with it as a playmaker or shooter. We've seen Kaprizov elevate Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy. It's ludicrous to say that Rossi isn't benefiting from Kaprizov when the two are on the ice together. Still, that doesn't mean that Rossi can't drive play in his own right. We have a growing amount of evidence that he does drive play. 407 minutes with Kaprizov at 5-on-5 means that Rossi played 815 minutes without Kaprizov. During that time, Rossi still managed to out-score opponents 32-27 (54% goal share) with a 52.8% expected goal share. That includes a long stretch of the season when Kaprizov was injured -- and remember, this was not a good team without Kaprizov. From Christmas until Kaprizov's permanent return on April 9, the Wild were 29th in goal share (43.5%) and 25th in expected goal share (47.5%). During that time, Rossi was above-water in goal share (54.6%) and expected goal share (51.2%). Among Wild forwards, only Ryan Hartman and the heavily sheltered Vinnie Hinostroza could claim to be above water in both categories. Rossi's season wasn't a product of playing with a superstar. He consistently made other players better, almost to a person. When you examine what players did with and without Rossi, it's impossible not to notice a pattern. Minnesota Wild Forwards, 2024-25 With and Without Rossi at 5-on-5 Mats Zuccarello Time On Ice With vs WO: 651 / 407 GF% With vs WO: 56.2 / 41.0 xGF% With vs WO: 52.7 / 44.1 Matt Boldy TOI With vs WO: 559 / 695 GF% With vs WO: 57.2 / 48.4 xGF% With vs WO: 52.0 / 53.7 Kirill Kaprizov TOI With vs WO: 408 / 317 GF% With vs WO: 60.4 / 57.6 xGF% With vs WO: 57.4 / 52.7 Marcus Johansson TOI With vs WO: 191 / 831 GF% With vs WO: 62.4 / 42.6 xGF% With vs WO: 57.5 / 46.6 Marcus Foligno TOI With vs WO: 185 / 755 GF% With vs WO: 57.5 / 53.1 xGF% With vs WO: 63.7 / 54.6 Ryan Hartman TOI With vs WO: 159 / 745 GF% With vs WO: 60.1 / 47.6 xGF% With vs WO: 55.4 / 50.8 That's everyone who played 100-plus 5-on-5 minutes with Rossi last year. The only player who didn't see a bump in both their actual and expected goal share was Boldy, who finished only slightly higher in xGF% without Rossi at center. It's a difficult pattern to deny. It makes sense, then, that Goldman's article included this graphic, which shows just how strong Rossi's game is at both ends of the ice: And again, it feels like we're in Bizarro World. How can the Wild doubt his play and the results to this degree? Why are they stubbornly refusing to pay more than $5 million AAV for a player who's asking for $7 million and whose market value is over $8 million? There's a bargain to be had for seven or eight years! Take it! How is this hard?! Now it seems like Guerin has not only Galaxy Brained himself on this, but the NHL might be, too. Teams may be waiting for July 1 to snipe Rossi with an offer sheet that Minnesota would be unwilling to match. Still, if a team like Buffalo is passing on Rossi and more in a trade, then maybe the lack of trade interest is real. We'll find out in the coming days. Whatever the resolution, though, this has been an incredibly bizarre series of events for Rossi. Any other center at his age -- with his production, work ethic, and character -- would never hit the market. And if they did, teams would be lining up to improve their center depth with a talented, goal-scoring, point-producing center. Here we are, though, with Rossi on the market and teams saying "Pass." It'd be one thing if Rossi hadn't proven he could hang at the position. But he has! Yet, from what we know today, it's done almost nothing for his stock, inside and outside the organization. We're going past this situation being an irrational farce and heading to the point where we completely break with reality. Whoever is first to come to their senses is going to get a hell of a player on a great deal, and the State of Hockey should be hoping it's Guerin.
    9 points
  19. Why is the assumption that Guerin is going to make a bad move? Guerin made an offer before the season that Rossi's agents decided was not enough. Nobody knows what offer the Rossi camp would have accepted before the season. If the best offer Guerin is fielding is the 15th pick in the draft, Rossi will be playing for the Wild next season.
    9 points
  20. The NHL's salary cap is on the rise, but the league's economy might be about to grind to a halt. There's a flow to player movement. There are usually a group of teams looking to reset their competitive window, and a team of buyers looking to fuel them with futures for the price of taking the sellers' good players off their hands. But unless a team is interested in the Pittsburgh Penguins and their slightly used Rickard Rakell or Bryan Rust, that might not happen this offseason. Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic recently quoted a GM as saying, "Almost everyone is looking to add or get better." That's bad news for the Minnesota Wild, for whom the buyout shackles are finally off their wrist and are ready to make a splash. In a world where the Buffalo Sabres were looking to trade Tage Thompson, the Detroit Red Wings were shopping Dylan Larkin, or Brady Tkachuk was trying to find a way to leave the Ottawa Senators, the Wild might have been able to do that. But in a world where even last-place teams like the Chicago Blackhawks or San Jose Sharks are done trying to bottom out? The road for the Wild to improve gets a lot rockier. Or does it? "I don't want to sit on my hands at all, and I'm kind of tired of doing that," Bill Guerin said in May, In March, he said, "[July is] going to be a time where organizationally, we make a step." However, Minnesota might be in as good a position as anyone to improve without a huge shake-up. The Wild only punched their ticket to the playoffs in the last 20 seconds of the season, when Joel Eriksson Ek scored a game-tying goal against a dreadful Anaheim Ducks team to clinch their spot. While that suggests the Wild are a bubble playoff team, the truth is that with a reasonably healthy year from Kirill Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek, Minnesota would have been an easy playoff team. Yes, even with "one hand tied behind their back," as Guerin occasionally says of their cap situation. The Wild are (currently) set to return most of that team from last season, and are already making three major additions, without spending a dime in free agency. Top prospects Zeev Buium, Danila Yurov, and David Jiříček are all expected to be on the roster next year. You can probably add in a fourth by penciling in Liam Öhgren in the lineup. That's the 12th overall pick from last year's draft, plus three top-25 picks from the 2022 Draft. Playoff teams usually aren't in a position to add four highly-touted first-rounders in a single offseason. That's reserved for young, up-and-coming teams after years of painful rebuilding. However, the Wild are in exactly that spot. Of course, it's important to temper expectations a bit. We don't know which players are ready to step into huge roles and which require more time. But even two of those four being ready for prime time next season would make a significant impact. Even beyond the injuries and the prospects, the Wild still have room to improve next year. Their young core currently includes Matt Boldy (24), Marco Rossi (23), and Brock Faber (22). All three players have room to improve next season. The State of Hockey is still waiting for that elusive Boldy breakout season, even though he is coming off a career-high 73-point campaign. Still, the organization and its fans believe there's more meat on that bone. His final 20 games (including playoffs) suggest that, as he scored 11 goals and 24 points over that time. If his 2025-26 season can resemble the first and last 20 games of last year, and not the middle 48, we could see something truly special. Rossi put together a second-straight 20-goal season while managing to take his playmaking up a notch as the Wild's top-line center. The trade rumors surrounding him have been on full blast this offseason, but a combination of a thin center market and Minnesota's not-so-stellar job of selling him could keep him in Minnesota. If Rossi is back in St. Paul, he'll be motivated to either prove to the Wild he's part of their future or put on a show to audition for another spot. His work ethic to get better next season can't be questioned. Then there's Faber, whose disastrous second half plummeted him to the fourth-worst season in the NHL, per Evolving-Hockey's Standings Points Above Replacement. Faber cost the Wild 3.3 points in the standings last season. Still, no one believes that it represents his true talent level. With a smarter plan to keep his workload in check, Faber should look much better as a top-pairing defenseman. Sure, it might be preferable to see the Wild add a bona-fide No. 1 center, if you're not sold on Rossi. But with reasonable health, a wave of prospects arriving, and their young stars continuing their upward trajectory, they might not need a huge shake-up. Suppose Minnesota can limit itself to adding a top-six winger around the edges. Then, it would complement a promising core without ripping out any of the foundation of what the organization is building. As loath as Guerin is to sit on his hands, it might be the best way to set up the Wild to win in the near term.
    9 points
  21. Even if we can't pick up a top 6 center in Free Agency this off-season, it's not all bad. First of all, that's a challenge most off-seasons as teams just don't give those players up until well after their primed - and if they do it's in trades or the free agent doesn't likely have the Wild high on potential destinations. Secondly, we just got some cap flexibility back. The worst thing we can do is get into a bidding war just because we have the cap space to throw around. That includes Rossi. Offer him a fair contract, but if he wants the moon, then maybe it's just not going to work out. Thirdly, look at players that can add some offense (ideally someone who is regularly in that 20-30 goal range). If Rossi continues to hold out, then to at least we partially replace his production. If he signs too, then even better. Also see #2. Fourth, try to leave some cap space to work with at the trade deadline. Fifth, get someone with a good history of developing players down in Iowa and keep working them. Ideally some progress and a few more start knocking hard on the door for 2026-27 (Lambos/Bankier, I'm mostly looking at you). I'd like to see both show well in training camp, and be among the first as injury call-ups during the season. Show everyone you belong in the NHL.
    9 points
  22. Not even close. McTavish has shown decent offensive ability and nearly zero defensive ability. Look at Zegras. He looked great until they asked him to play the OTHER half of the game (defense). His stats tanked once he was asked to be a complete hockey player. Maybe McTavish can play both ends and maybe he cant. At this point by all OBJECTIVE analyses Rossi is the better hockey player. I'm not saying it will stay that way but its definitely true right now.
    8 points
  23. In the endless, three-year-long debate about Marco Rossi's value, the biggest argument of his critics is simple: He's another Mikael Granlund. It's not a particularly fair critique for either player. Rossi has been more productive than Granlund at a similar age while sticking at center. Meanwhile, Granlund has played 902 NHL games and has five 60-point seasons under his belt. That's a hell of a player. Still, the parallels between the two players make it easy for Wild fans to put them in the same box. Granlund and Rossi were drafted in the exact same spot (ninth overall), ten years apart. Minnesota drafted both of them as undersized centers with a lot of hype. They each had false starts in the NHL before adjusting and coming into their own with the Wild. Granlund played 461 games with the Wild, racking up 317 points, which still puts him in the top-10 in franchise history. Since leaving Minnesota in the Kevin Fiala trade, Granlund has pivoted back to center, spending stints with the Nashville Predators and San Jose Sharks before catching on with the Dallas Stars for their playoff run. Once in Dallas, he apparently impressed the organization enough that the Stars wanted to keep him around, even though he ultimately signed with the Anaheim Ducks. Granlund signed a three-year, $21 million deal with Anaheim. The $7 million AAV is a match to what Rossi is believed to be asking for in his RFA negotiations with the Wild. So while it's easy to argue otherwise, let's accept the premise: Rossi is the next Mikael Granlund. OK, then. The debate's over. We know how much that's worth, and the price tag is $7 million AAV. A seven-year deal would take Rossi through his age 24 to 30 seasons, using Hockey-Reference's cutoffs. During that same age range, Granlund averaged 18 goals and 57 points per 82 games. If that's Rossi's exact career trajectory, then we should be able to expect him to be around a 60-point center over that time. That was the case for Granlund over his last contract (four years, $5M AAV); he averaged 61 points per 82 games during that time. He got $7 million. The market spoke! Sure, they're different circumstances. Granlund was a UFA, while Rossi's rights are restricted. He can sign with another team, but the Wild have the right of first refusal for the contract and have vowed to match any offer sheet. Teams could get into a bidding war for Granlund's services, while they have to be much more strategic if they wish to pursue Rossi. Still, even so, we have another Granlund contract that helps us spitball his value -- his three-year RFA deal signed in 2017. At age 24, Granlund broke out after a shift from center to wing. He blew past his career highs of 13 goals and 44 points en route to a 26-goal, 69-point season. Again, you can draw the parallels between the two players if you like. Granlund increased his career-high by 25 points in a contract year, while Rossi moved his up by 20 last season. Like Guerin has with Rossi today, Chuck Fletcher seemed to have his doubts about going long-term with Granlund after his breakout season. While Fletcher handed out five- and six-year deals for Nino Niederreiter, Charlie Coyle, and Jonas Brodin, he opted for a shorter-term contract with Granlund, signing a three-year, $5.85 million AAV deal. It was a "prove-it" deal of sorts, giving Granlund the ability to show he could play at a high level before hitting UFA status. It also came in at a hefty rate, accounting for 7.67% of the salary cap when it took effect. A 60-point season from a young player was highly valued then, and it remains highly valued now, even if the player doesn't have a long history of achieving that mark. Applying that same percentage to Rossi's cap hit for the upcoming season gives us something in the $7.3 million range. Again, if Rossi is simply the next Granlund... that's what Granlund was worth at a similar stage in their career and trajectory. The Wild have their line with Rossi, but it doesn't appear to be one that's aligned with the market or reality. The highest reported AAV from Minnesota in a contract offer is $5 million, which matches what Ryan McLeod signed as an RFA this offseason, who put up fewer goals and points than Rossi despite being two years older. Come on. It's obvious where this writer stands RE: Rossi's value. A full-time center with strong two-way numbers and 60 points at 23 is a much better asset than Granlund was at any stage of his career. But fine, if you want to insist that they're the same player -- skilled, undersized forwards whose slighter frame puts a ceiling on them -- then, once again, we know what that's worth today. If Rossi is indeed the next Mikael Granlund, then pay him Granlund money. This shouldn't be that difficult!
    8 points
  24. With ODC slightly edging towards the rational middle, Dean looking to keep the super pessimist train rolling....
    8 points
  25. As a recent former ticket holder, I would rather miss the playoffs entirely, give those young guys some time and see if they improve and are the real deal than watch another one-and-out with NoJosey, and Treninsy, or Reavesy, or some other collections of arthritic Stiffsies they want to fool me into thinking we have a shot with. If Yurov, Ohgren, and Buium are flying around making mistakes, at least they are flying around.
    8 points
  26. Nobody is offering Rossi $7M or more PLUS 7 years. If they do that, the compensation goes up since the compensation is based off of 5 years. A 7x7 contract would be 49/5 for compensation purposes, or $9.8M a year. That would bump teams up to two firsts, a second and a third
    8 points
  27. Before diving into Vladimir Tarasenko's game, it must be said up top: There's no such thing as a bad one-year deal. The Minnesota Wild acquired Tarasenko from the Detroit Red Wings on Monday in a cap dump trade where they gave up nothing. In a league where few teams are actually against the salary cap, the "Get a player for nothing" market is rapidly dying. Still, Minnesota managed to do just that for a team that had $15 million of wiggle room heading into free agency. For this, they'll get a former six-time 30-goal scorer for one year, $4.75 million. Granted, the days of Tarasenko being one of the most feared scorers in the NHL are behind him. Still, we're gonna see way dumber contracts dished out once free agency opens tomorrow. It's a nifty bit of work by Bill Guerin and his front office. But making a good-looking move in the summer is one thing. Now Tarasenko has to actually play, and his presence puts Minnesota in a spot where they don't have to make a move to acquire a scoring winger tomorrow... at least on paper. Long term, this is good news for Minnesota. Brock Boeser would be intriguing on a three- or four-year deal. Six or seven years would probably be asking for trouble. The Wild are in a position where they can either let a Boeser deal come to them or turn down an unfavorable deal, knowing Tarasenko sets a certain floor. But, where is that floor? Last year, Tarasenko scored just 11 goals and 33 points for the Red Wings. His skating took a dive last year, and he's always relied on his shot. That's usually not a recipe for aging super well, and given that Tarasenko is 33, that's kind of a red flag. Still, Tarasenko is just one year removed from scoring 23 goals and 55 points for the Ottawa Senators and Florida Panthers. The run in Florida is especially encouraging. He played 43 games (regular season and playoffs), scoring 11 goals and 23 points with bottom-six minutes. That's not bad. Neither is winning a Stanley Cup. The Wild aren't the Panthers, though, and Tarasenko isn't starting the season in the bottom-six. Minnesota seems to have him penciled into the second line, and that's likely going to come with about 16 to 17 minutes per night. The last two teams that had him in that role had an 81-point season (2022-23 St. Louis Blues) and a 78-point season (2023-24 Ottawa). That's got to be a concern. Not that playing Tarasenko under 15 minutes a night helped the 86-point Red Wings too much last season. So, let's look into why Tarasenko flopped in Detroit and how the Wild might be able to avoid a similar fate. At first blush, it seems like Tarasenko had an awkward fit with his linemates, playing about half the season with J.T. Compher and Jonatan Berggren. Both players have some skill, but they didn't complement Tarasenko's abilities at this stage of his career. Neither Compher nor Berggren is a terrific puck-carriers, per Corey Sznajder's All Three Zones tracking project. While Tarasenko used to be strong in the role in his St. Louis days, he's no longer able to be that go-to zone entry guy. No clean zone entries means few attempts on the rush, which has generally been where Tarasenko has been productive throughout the years. When he put up 52 points two seasons ago, he had entry wizard Tim Stützle riding shotgun with him in Ottawa, and Sasha Barkov carrying in pucks in Florida. The bad news is, the only elite puck-carriers the Wild have are Kirill Kaprizov and Marcus Johansson. There's only one Kaprizov, and a big reason the Wild are trading for Tarasenko in the first place is to keep Johansson firmly in the bottom-six. If Tarasenko is on the second line, either Marco Rossi is going to have to embrace a puck-carrying role that he deferred to Kaprizov last season, or Matt Boldy is going to have to get a touch better at entering the zone cleanly. If the Wild can find someone to serve as Tarasenko's caddy and set-up man, he can still do some damage in the offensive zone. Even with the Red Wings last year, All Three Zones had him as above-average in both generating and facilitating scoring chances. That's something the Wild badly need, because they had few dual-threat players last season. The card for Tarasenko partially obscures Ryan Hartman (who was above-average at both, but skewed towards Scoring Chance Assists) and Kaprizov (average at Scoring Chances, elite at Scoring Chance Assists). Besides those two, only Boldy, Rossi, and Vinnie Hinostroza were average or better at both aspects of offense for Minnesota last season. That hints at Tarasenko having use on the second line, but that won't be the ideal outcome for Minnesota. At least, not by the end of the year. Tarasenko hasn't been a stout defender for about a decade, and his defensive game has cratered over the past four years. He might still have some offense left in him, but he'll give some on the back end, particularly if he's out and ready to be exploited for 16 minutes a night. The ideal situation is that Tarasenko eventually settles into the lineup on a scoring third line. Perhaps even a fourth-line that gets sheltered minutes in the offensive zone to maximize opportunities at 5-on-5. So Tarasenko might not be a great addition as a second-line solution, but that's not his value to the Wild. What Tarasenko does is buy Minnesota time. If Öhgren and Yurov aren't ready for a second-line role to begin the season, the Wild don't have to force it. They can get their feet wet on the third line, and hopefully be ready to swap places with Tarasenko by January or so. And if their prospects aren't ready to make that jump, Minnesota can turn to the trade market at the deadline. Unlike now, there will be teams who are resigned to finishing in the basement around March. Even if top-tier players aren't available, the Wild can be in on some pending UFA forward to give them a boost heading into the playoffs. That's a lot better than backing up a Brinks truck for Boeser and hoping he can be their big fish solution for the next seven seasons. Tarasenko might not give the Wild a long-term solution, but he represents a floor that the Wild's second line isn't going beneath, no matter what. Even if he can only thrive in a depth role at his age, Tarasenko is more than worth having around at his price, for his term, and for the low, low cost of nothing via trade.
    8 points
  28. The hopes for bounce back are His father passed away at 55 years old last summer He wasn't a good fit in Detroit got pushed down to the 4th line If the depth chart puts Boldy-Rossi-Senko on the 2nd line, it means MoJo is pushed down to 4th/depth duty and all Tarasenko has to do to be successful is improve on the production from MoJo. Which reading comments on this site, could be done by a lukewarm microwave burrito.
    8 points
  29. Great article for dispersing the opinion that Rossi only produced with Kap, or only because of the players around him. I hope they find a number that Rossi will be happy with, as he will be worth it. Every indication is Rossi is not at his ceiling, yet we are willing to pay 7 to Boeser or Tavares that both produced less than him last year, are already at their ceiling, and in Boeser's case, is a liability defensively. Three years ago in a flat cap enviroment, he would not have commanded a contract of that size but we aren't in three years ago land. The cap is rising rapidly now and contracts will be inflated. With the current talent available, I'm leaning towards hold our card for TDL. Unless we are making a trade, there is not much left to be had in a weird offseason where every team has decided they are done rebuilding.
    8 points
  30. Played all 82 games. Scored 24 goals (only 7 of the goals being on the power play) and 36 assists for 60 points as a responsible center and is only 23 years old. He was +3 on the year, has a 200 foot game and averaged 18 minutes of ice time and played well in the 3v3 OT games. Why are we trading him? Rossi can flat out play. I hope he stays in MN. The only issue would be his salary. Jared McCann signed his $5M/AAV deal when he only had 50 points in 2021 but with 8 fewer games. Anthony Cirelli signed at 6.25M after only a 29 point year in 58 games. Rossi has to be north of 6.25M. BG's offer of $5M was too low. If we get to July someone in this league will offer Rossi $7.5M/AAV or higher, which doesn't have a bad draft return.
    8 points
  31. 1-2 yr contract ~$6M for Rossi seems best at this point, I'd much rather have Rossi than Zegras any day. According to Russo, they offered him a bridge contract <$5M. Like it or not, they just don't want to pay him what the market bares because they don't value him. They overpay for a plug like Trenin. The thinning center market is better for the Wild, but also better for Rossi's negotiating leverage. The Wild made two mistakes, not re-signing him prior to last season, then sticking him on the fourth line in the playoffs.
    8 points
  32. He has potential and plays a hard game despite his height, and would seamlessly fit into any team's top six (or at least, middle six). Sounds like the type of player we need. 😐
    8 points
  33. Nobody should be trading their top 6 center for #15 in this year's draft. This is a week draft. Don't fall for the hype. Besides, #15 is an underpayment. If Vancouver gets Rossi, nothing less than Pettersson (the center) will do.
    8 points
  34. If Edmonton had the Wilds D they would be hoisting the cup right now.
    8 points
  35. Can’t wait to watch him, and other rookies this year.
    8 points
  36. With the free agency market looking incredibly lacking in talent, I would tend to agree that the best route is to hold our cards and retain Rossi. 2026 free agency looks far better or even the TDL this year. Why overpay now? As highlighted by Tony above, we have 4 rookies looking to be in the mix and should see what we have before wholesaling young talent to get a 1c. It will be a good growing year. Let's not fool ourselves into believing that this team, as it was last year, is one piece away. Let's develop some prospects and see where we sit at TDL. Move when it makes sense, not just because we have money to spend.
    8 points
  37. I doubt Bennett, Duchene, and Tavares want to come to the Wild. Other than Peterka and Byram, no one has been publicly hassled as "they want out.". So just stop with the Touch, Thompson, Larkin, and Tkachuk things until their team insiders stir shit like Russo does on a weekly basis. Funny how the one time Guerin might let the floodgates open and have 5-6 rookies make the team, it's suddenly a bad idea. Well, a bad idea to Brady's biggest fan anyway. But playing fantasy GM must be fun. Rossi just wants to play. The Wild aren't guaranteed any outside help. Get it from the inside first.
    8 points
  38. So your argument is that because Rossi played better when all of the Wilds best players were injured he is worth less? Yeah that sounds like BG type of thinking!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂 Also, Rossi got 10% more ice time this year to last and yet produced 50% more points. That is a HUGE increase in production. You can't blame him for the post season. They didn't let him play.
    8 points
  39. It's different than the media narrative up to this point, but Wild prepared to match offer sheets is expected for those really considering all factors in the situation. Guerin has been consistent in saying he likes Rossi, they are just looking at different contract values right now. The only chance the Wild would consider letting Rossi go for no players being returned is if the price gets well above the $7M mark and is delivering more than 2 picks in return, but if other teams valued Rossi at that price point, then I imagine the Wild would have received genuinely strong trade offers from interested teams prior to July 1st. Chances aren't bad that Rossi will eventually return to center some skilled forwards for the Wild in the top 6. Hard to say which combinations Hynes will like best with him between Zuccarello, Tarasenko, Boldy or Kaprizov. I could see Yurov between Foligno and Hartman with Sturm centering Ohgren and Trenin. Johansson in the ProssBox. Looks like they also added Tyler Pitlick to play in Iowa and help with depth.
    7 points
  40. Just the upgrade on the faceoff dot alone should help the PK. It seemed like they havent won a faceoff to start a kill in years.
    7 points
  41. Boeser staying in Vancouver after all. 7y/7.25AAV. Whatever. What a shit show free agency is gonna be. Glad the Wild weaved out of the way.
    7 points
  42. So far, Guerin has traded out Gaudreau and Chisholm, possibly around $4M in contract costs, and added a highly skilled winger in Tarasenko at $4.75M. Tarasenko doesn't seem old enough to have lost all his skills, so could rebound with another 50+ point season like he had the prior 2 years. No huge moves yet, but added draft picks and upgraded some skill. Tarasenko is roughly 1.5 years older than Gaudreau. Chisholm was unlikely to play for the Wild when their defensemen are fully healthy--get well soon Jonas Brodin! Easy to complain, but not seeing a lot for me to get upset about so far.
    7 points
  43. None at all. Especially when you consider it would likely take 3 or 4 seasons for us to even see them hit the NHL. Jiricek will be here next year or, at the latest, the year after. Full time. Its like we gave up the extra picks to get a guy with a shorter timeline to impact for us. I'm absolutely fine with that, personally. If the goal is to become a Cup contender during Kaprizov's prime then Jiricek fits that window far more than any of these potential draft picks.
    7 points
  44. He's very playable on the 3rd pairing. He will almost certainly become a high end player for line 3 if that's where he's playing down the road, but he could be a 2nd pairing defenseman like Middleton. Jiricek will likely be worth more than the 20th pick from this draft, especially over the next 4 seasons. 3rd pairing defensemen generally still play a quarter of each game, so he could be worth more than a 3rd or 4th line forward even if he doesn't elevate beyond the 3rd pairing, but there are reasons to believe that he could.
    7 points
  45. See, the thing with SillyG is that when it makes a ton of sense to trade a player, and the fans are all expecting it (Dumba) he holds the dude and mumbles something about 'sometimes the best trade is no trade' or 'picks arent worth as much as people give credit for' Then, other times, he puts guys in the absolute dog house, and takes the first trade that comes along (Fiala). Mumbles something about how 'sure i could have gotten more, but this guy is dogshit and I dont want other GM's to not be my buddy anymore, anybody want to pick up my tab at Tooties?!?!' Maybe our scouting staff had Faber pegged as a sure thing, but I feel its more likely that a blind squirrel found his rare nut. I think Rossi is going to be traded, and I think the return is going to be absolutely underwhelming.
    7 points
  46. Good. Get things figured out with Rossi so they aren't running Hartman, Gaudreau, or Yurov at 2C.
    7 points
  47. I see it as an Iowa Wild problem first and foremost. We’re just not getting enough development from our AHL team.
    7 points
  48. I have been curious about this for a while. Guerin lets Brackett do his thing (falling talent, hoping to find rebounders/faster puck movers), while Guerin seems unimpressed with that when in crunch time. The weird thing is most the team is still Fletcher or Fenton talent. Middleton, Faber, and Gus were all gotten his trade. Rossi is the first drafted player to have significant exposure. My hope is Guerin, Rossi, and the agent all realize that talent wins out on the end, and Guerin can't afford another Fiala over Dumba thing. What does the team lack? Offense. What does Rossi have a knack for above anything else? Right place right time offensive instincts. There is a value to that, and I think trying to pigeon hole Yurov into Rossi's place before knowing anything is short sighted. If Duchene, Tavares, Giroux, Bennett, etc are off the table (and no trades are biting), just bite the bullet and mend fences.
    7 points
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