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  • Why Doesn't Bill Guerin Borrow From Bill Belichick's Core Philosophy?


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    Tom Schreier

    Bill Belichick was the New England Patriots head coach and de facto general manager from 2000 to 2023. During that time, he won six Super Bowls because of his ruthless approach to roster-building. “Better to let a player go a year too early,” he figured, “than a year too late.”

    I don’t know if Bill Guerin knows Belichick or looks up to him as an executive. However, Guerin is from Worchester, Mass., 45 miles from where the Patriots play in Foxborough. Guerin was also playing for the Boston Bruins when the Pats hired Belichick in 2000. Odds are, he’s heard of the third-winningest coach in NFL history.

    Hockey isn’t football, but most modern GMs adhere to Belichick’s philosophy. Vikings GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah cut Adam Thielen, who walked onto the team after playing at D2 Minnesota State, when Thielen demanded more money than he was willing to budget for him. Similarly, Twins president Derek Falvey has taken successful one-year fliers on players like Matt Wisler and Donovan Solano, only to move on from them the following season. 

    However, Guerin has implemented the opposite philosophy. Guerin inherited Ryan Hartman, a journeyman winger who scored 18 goals in his first two seasons with Minnesota. However, Guerin extended him for three years, $5.1 million in 2021. Hartman scored 34 goals in the first year of that extension, but it was an outlier season for the former first-rounder. Hartman’s previous career high was 19 goals with the Chicago Blackhawks in his first full NHL season.

    Hartman only scored 15 goals in 59 games the following season, but Guerin awarded him with a three-year, $12 million contract last offseason. Hartman had 21 goals and 24 points last season, respectable totals for a depth wing. Still, most of his scoring has come when he’s centering the top line with Kirill Kaprizov. That sounds fine until you consider that means the Wild have a depth wing centering their top line

    While Kaprizov is elevating Hartman, Hartman is suppressing Kaprizov’s production. Winning teams pair bona fide centers with their skill players, and Kaprizov is better off playing with Joel Eriksson Ek or Marco Rossi on his line than a depth winger. 

    Overpaying a role player benefitting from a star player’s production is a cardinal sin for any front office, given that it leads to overpaying players and unnecessary budget crunch. However, it’s especially so for one that bought out Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. Parise and Suter’s $7.3 million dead cap hits are the third-highest cap hits on the team, behind Kaprizov ($9 million) and Jared Spurgeon ($7.58 million) but ahead of Matt Boldy ($7 million) and Eriksson Ek ($5.25 million). 

    Instead of spending responsibly during the cap hell he created, which often means playing cost-controlled rookies with upside, Guerin has continued filling Minnesota’s roster with bad-value contracts. In addition to signing Hartman last offseason, Guerin also inked Marcus Foligno (four years, $16 million) and Mats Zuccarello (two years, $8.25 million) to extensions. 

    “I believe in these guys,” Guerin said after signing them. “I think they are how we get better here.”

    Hartman, Foligno, and Zuccarello regressed, and so did the Wild. Minnesota had a franchise-record 113 points in 2021-22. Last year, they went from a 103-point team to finishing with 87 points and out of the playoffs. Hartman went from a 65-point player two years ago to a 45-point player last season. He also oscillated between being a glue guy and a goon. Similarly, Foligno, 32, went from playing 74 games two years ago to 65 in 2022-23 to 55 last year. He had 42 points in 2021-22 but has only produced 43 in the past two seasons combined

    Signing Zuccarello, 36, to a two-year extension is less risky despite his age. Still, most of his value was his chemistry with Kaprizov. Good GMs retain role players who bring out the best in their stars. However, Zuccarello no longer plays on Kaprizov’s line. The Wild gave each player no-move clauses, meaning they’ve locked themselves into a mediocre roster that blocks their best prospects when they would have been better off moving Hartman, Foligno, and Zuccarello at the deadline.

    It’s not just Hartman, Foligno, and Hartman. The Wild signed Freddy Gaudreau to a five-year, $10.5 million contract after scoring 19 goals in 2022-23 and 14 goals the year before. He had five goals and 15 points last season. They’ve had a sordid love affair with Marcus Johansson and bought the dip on Zach Bogosian. He recently extended Jake Middleton, 28, for four years, $17.4 million a year before his previous contract ended.

    Conversely, they played hardball in negotiations with Kaprizov and won’t sign Rossi long-term after a breakout season. Guerin kowtows to large, veteran players but didn’t sign Kaprizov to a full-length contract and may eventually push his second-best center out of town. As a result, Guerin has built a top-heavy team with middle-class bloat. He’s practically designed a team to exist on the playoff bubble in a market full of fans tired of first-round exits.

    Belichick’s fatal flaw was mismanaging Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady late in his career. He spent years asking Brady to take pay cuts so he could build a team around him, only to fail to acquire enough good receivers. Belichick chose not to re-sign Brady at the end of the 2019 season, only to watch him win the Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a year later. 

    By failing to sign Kaprizov long-term, Guerin has mimicked Belichick’s worst trait while failing to adhere to his core philosophy. He has wantonly handed out long-term extensions with no-trade clauses to aging, declining veterans and negotiated aggressively with his best players. As a result, he only has two years to build a winner around Kaprizov before he’s stuck with a flawed team with no superstar.

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    10 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    WTF?  To roll that old line strategically instead of tactically seems crazy.  I get it for a in-game shake up maybe but to deliberately fall back to a failing strategy vs last year's success with the top line is dumb.

    Career suicide.  

    I mean even gambling sites think this top line is going to be insane.

    But the argument they'd make is by consolidating all our best talent on line #1 neuters lines 2-4.  It leaves us with a quality NHL first line + three NHL third lines. 

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    12 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    I mean even gambling sites think this top line is going to be insane.

    serious question: what are the best gambling sites you guys monitor/use specifically for hockey

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    27 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    But the argument they'd make is by consolidating all our best talent on line #1 neuters lines 2-4.  It leaves us with a quality NHL first line + three NHL third lines. 

    The only time we had success with this top line was when we had GREEF.  I would only break up Ek from the first line if we could find a similarly dominant version of GREEF.

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    30 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    serious question: what are the best gambling sites you guys monitor/use specifically for hockey

    I don't actively sports bet but sometimes I look up odds for a good bet to maybe pull the trigger.

    KK97 is 4th to win Rocket Richard.

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    15 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    The only time we had success with this top line was when we had GREEF.

    And we had Fiala and MaBo & Ek on line #2 giving us two lines that other teams needed to respect.

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    3 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    One other point about Brady. His wife made more money than he did so salary wasn't the biggest driving force for him.

    Does that mean Brady got alimony?

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    On 7/18/2024 at 10:53 AM, Up North Guy said:

    One other point about Brady. His wife made more money than he did so salary wasn't the biggest driving force for him.

    You aren't the first to make this point, but I think it's one of the least relevant things on the internet. How many ultra-competitive guys feel comfortable in a situation where their wife is making far more money than they are.

    If anything, I think the take home for his wife would drive most men to get the maximum for their contract. Brady took less because it was better for the team and his legacy, not because he was counting on his wife for a comfortable life. I've seen it countless times, so I'm not sending any negativity your way, I just think it's a lazy take that has been given far too much credibility than it deserves.

    As a leader, Brady had more credibility in his locker room as a team guy by taking below market contracts than if he maximized his contract and left several million dollars less for his teammates.

    I liked Cousins, but this is what he should have done if he really cared about his football legacy. Instead, he will be the guy who always chased the biggest NFL contract deal and never came close to winning it all. When you win big like Brady and Mahomes, or Steph Curry, there are also significant revenue streams that come from advertisers outside of the NFL, assuming you don't mind being in commercials for other products. Brady has book deals and product lines outside of his NFL contract as well as a highly lucrative TV deal that came partially as a result of being the most successful QB in history.

    How much do you think Rodgers or Mahomes have earned outside of their NFL contracts by doing commercials?

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    4 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    You aren't the first to make this point, but I think it's one of the least relevant things on the internet. How many ultra-competitive guys feel comfortable in a situation where their wife is making far more money than they are.

    If anything, I think the take home for his wife would drive most men to get the maximum for their contract. Brady took less because it was better for the team and his legacy, not because he was counting on his wife for a comfortable life. I've seen it countless times, so I'm not sending any negativity your way, I just think it's a lazy take that has been given far too much credibility than it deserves.

    As a leader, Brady had more credibility in his locker room as a team guy by taking below market contracts than if he maximized his contract and left several million dollars less for his teammates.

    I liked Cousins, but this is what he should have done if he really cared about his football legacy. Instead, he will be the guy who always chased the biggest NFL contract deal and never came close to winning it all. When you win big like Brady and Mahomes, or Steph Curry, there are also significant revenue streams that come from advertisers outside of the NFL, assuming you don't mind being in commercials for other products. Brady has book deals and product lines outside of his NFL contract as well as a highly lucrative TV deal that came partially as a result of being the most successful QB in history.

    How much do you think Rodgers or Mahomes have earned outside of their NFL contracts by doing commercials?

    I don't necessarily disagree with you. All I am alluding to is it made it a little easier to keep his salary lower. As far as lazy takes, I am all about that. Retirement is the elixir of lazy takes.😎

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    On 7/17/2024 at 12:51 PM, TCMooch said:

    The salary cap jumped like $4.7 million from 13-14 to 14-15 seasons and then stagnated. I'm not saying the salary cap will NOT RISE but let's have very recent history show us that it is not a slam dunk guarantee and not something we should bank on as far as contract management.

     

    On 7/17/2024 at 7:54 PM, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    If Kap wants any more than $11mm for 4-5 years let him walk or trade him.  This talk of 13-15mm is crazy and you can get 3-4 very solid players for that.  IMO he is not a top 10 player like McDavid, Mathews and McKinnon.  Those guys take over a gave and sorry Kap just doesn’t.  Build a team not just a collection of high salary players. 

     

    Kaprizov is definitely a top 10 player. Over the past 3 seasons, Kaprizov is ranked #4 in PPG, #4 in G/60, #5 in goals, #10 in P/60, and #12 in points. So, his agent will definitely push to get him paid as such.

     

    The ten highest paid players in the league are currently:

    • $13.25M Auston Matthews (15.05% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed) 
    • $12.6M Nathan MacKinnon (15.07% of 2023-24 salary cap when signed) 
    • $12.5M Connor McDavid (15.7% of 2018-19 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.64M Artemi Panarin (14.3% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.6M Elias Pettersson (13.2% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.5M Erik Karlsson (14.1% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.5M William Nylander (13.1% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.25M David Pastrnak (13.5% of 2023-24 salary cap when signed)
    • $11M John Travares (13.8% of 2018-19 salary cap when signed)
    • $11M Drew Doughty (13.5% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • Average: Highest paid players make 14.13% of the salary cap

     

    The salary cap over the years:

    • $96.5M: 2026-27 (proposed – not confirmed)
    • $92.0M: 2025-26 (proposed – I've seen reports of up to $93.2M)
    • $88.0M: 2024-25
    • $83.5M: 2023-24
    • $82.5M: 2022-23
    • $81.5M: 2019-22
    • $79.5M: 2018-19

     

    So if following the 14-15% trend of the salary cap for the best players, that would mean if Kaprizov signs a new contract in either of the next two seasons, it could potentially be anywhere from $12.7M - $14.5M per season:

    • $12.7M: 14.13% of $92.0M (2025-26) 
    • $13.6M: 14.13% of $96.5M (2026-27)
    • $13.8M: 15% of $92.0M (2025-26)
    • $14.5M: 15% of $96.5M (2026-27)
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    34 minutes ago, WheelSnipeCelly said:

     

     

    Kaprizov is definitely a top 10 player. Over the past 3 seasons, Kaprizov is ranked #4 in PPG, #4 in G/60, #5 in goals, #10 in P/60, and #12 in points. So, his agent will definitely push to get him paid as such.

     

    The ten highest paid players in the league are currently:

    • $13.25M Auston Matthews (15.05% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed) 
    • $12.6M Nathan MacKinnon (15.07% of 2023-24 salary cap when signed) 
    • $12.5M Connor McDavid (15.7% of 2018-19 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.64M Artemi Panarin (14.3% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.6M Elias Pettersson (13.2% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.5M Erik Karlsson (14.1% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.5M William Nylander (13.1% of 2024-25 salary cap when signed)
    • $11.25M David Pastrnak (13.5% of 2023-24 salary cap when signed)
    • $11M John Travares (13.8% of 2018-19 salary cap when signed)
    • $11M Drew Doughty (13.5% of 2019-20 salary cap when signed)
    • Average: Highest paid players make 14.13% of the salary cap

     

    The salary cap over the years:

    • $96.5M: 2026-27 (proposed – not confirmed)
    • $92.0M: 2025-26 (proposed – I've seen reports of up to $93.2M)
    • $88.0M: 2024-25
    • $83.5M: 2023-24
    • $82.5M: 2022-23
    • $81.5M: 2019-22
    • $79.5M: 2018-19

     

    So if following the 14-15% trend of the salary cap for the best players, that would mean if Kaprizov signs a new contract in either of the next two seasons, it could potentially be anywhere from $12.7M - $14.5M per season:

    • $12.7M: 14.13% of $92.0M (2025-26) 
    • $13.6M: 14.13% of $96.5M (2026-27)
    • $13.8M: 15% of $92.0M (2025-26)
    • $14.5M: 15% of $96.5M (2026-27)

    Sorry I just don’t think he is worth that and is not the game changer as some of those guys on the list.  I think we would be better of trading him or letting him walk if he wants over $11mm

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    One of the problems is that Kaprizov will make the team he goes to even harder to beat . some teams have aging vets  that wouldnt regress if #97 were to join them  .

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