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  • The Marco Rossi Disconnect Shows the Downside of "Best Available Player" Drafting


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    "Best Available Player" is a phrase that gets thrown around a ton at draft time. There's a beautiful simplicity to the philosophy. Just add talent, and get the best players you can. It's so obvious!

    Fans thinking, If I were the GM, I'd simply go BPA, is the basis of why, for example, the Minnesota Wild drafting Charlie Stramel in 2023 inspired backlash. It's why fans in 2024 laughed as the Philadelphia Flyers traded down one spot to not draft Zeev Buium, allowing Minnesota to pick up a talented defenseman for a third-round pick and the right to draft lower-ranked center Jett Luchanko.

    As for me? I'm more inclined to lean towards a "BPA" approach. It's not always that simple, of course. For example, there is rarely a clear-cut "Best Player Available." A team's scouts also might genuinely judge a prospect to have more or less talent than the consensus, muddying those waters further. However, I generally believe the purpose of the draft is to accumulate as much talent as possible, then patching up any organizational holes later.

    It also appears to be a philosophy that Wild director of scouting Judd Brackett buys into. He's a scout who tends to take fallers -- players with significant talent who slip through the cracks, for one reason or another. By contrast, Chuck Fletcher's regime, led by head scout Brent Flahr, loved late risers: players who were generally off the radar as first-rounders, but made massive strides in the months leading up to the draft.

    You can see the "fallers" throughout the Wild's recent draft history. Buium partly fell due to a loaded defensive class at the top of the draft. In 2022, Danila Yurov fell because of "The Russia Factor." In 2021, Jesper Wallstedt tumbled down the draft board, despite being widely considered the top goalie of his class.

    And, of course, in 2020, Marco Rossi fell to No. 9 overall. Statistically, there was an argument to make that Rossi was the best prospect in his class. Hockey Prospecting's model had him as the likeliest player to turn into a star, and the third-likeliest to play 200 NHL games. NHL scouts weren't quite as sold, but among that group, he still had a consensus ranking of seventh in his class.

    Faced with choosing between Rossi, a skilled winger (Cole Perfetti, who went 10th), a top goalie prospect (Yaroslav Askarov, 11th), and a bigger, lower-upside center (Anton Lundell, 12th), the Wild did what any BPA team would do: Grab the most talent at the most premium position.

    On paper, it worked brilliantly. This season, Rossi scored the sixth-most goals (24, tied with Tim Stützle) and points (60) of anyone in the 2020 Draft Class. He was sixth among his class in Standings Points Above Replacement (4.4, behind Stützle, Dylan Holloway, Lucas Raymond, Quinton Byfield, and JJ Peterka). He scored massive, clutch goals for a Wild team that made the playoffs by one point.

    Except, it seems, if you're the Wild's front office. Here, we see the potential pitfalls of Best Player Available.

    At the moment, Rossi was the best player Minnesota could have drafted. He's arguably still better than anyone chosen after him. But talent isn't everything. Even production isn't everything. The upcoming split between the Wild and Rossi is about more than that.

    On his "Fellowship of the Rink" podcast, The Athletic's Joe Smith asked his colleague, Michael Russo, where things went wrong in the relationship between team and player. Russo's response was illuminating:

    "I get the sense, talking to people within the organization, they just always want him to be something that he's incapable of being, because he can't just add a bunch of weight and size to him.... I think that [Bill Guerin] just doesn't feel that, if you add him to this team, that he's somebody that you can win with in the playoffs."

    You may be familiar with the dissenting argument, but let's take it at face value: What if Rossi isn't, and never was, a good fit for the organization?

    If they think that, then this is an issue they should have seen coming. Rossi was listed at 5-foot-9, 185 pounds at the 2020 Draft, and he's listed at 5-foot-9, 182 pounds today. It's not like that was a surprise. The Wild were also among the smallest teams in the NHL heading into 2020-21, and that's something that hasn't changed over time, either. How wasn't this a problem in 2020, but is a problem now?

    Even more frustrating is that the thing Rossi is supposedly incapable of being -- A Mikko Koivu/Joel Eriksson Ek-style power center -- was available to them at that spot! Lundell is 6-foot-1, 196 pounds, and has been a center exactly in that Koivu/JEEK mold: A touch limited offensively, but dominant in his own zone.

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    They could have just done that! Maybe Minnesota wouldn't have made the playoffs with Lundell being thrust into a No. 1 center role instead of Rossi. But they'd at least have the fit they wanted, avoiding this awful situation they're hurtling toward.

    The Wild have shown their hand on Rossi. Everyone saw his coach bury him on the fourth line during the playoffs. Everyone's heard his name in trade rumors for years. We also know that the Wild don't seem prepared to pay him more than $5 million per season.

    That last part is perhaps most significant because teams know that if they sign Rossi to an offer sheet in the $6 to $6.8 million range, the Wild will likely take the compensation, which will be first- and third-round picks in 2026. If that route is in their back pocket, and teams know the Wild don't like him, what's the incentive to give up a top center prospect? Or a young player with upside? Or take him as the centerpiece to a blockbuster deal? Why not just get him for two picks they probably won't care much about?

    I suppose you can give the Wild a bit of credit for fixing this disconnect between organizational and drafting philosophy in 2023 with Stramel. Fans may still be miffed that they didn't get super-skilled winger Gabriel Perreault. However, if Rossi and his 60 points are apparently not good enough for St. Paul's brain trust, it's not likely they'd be high on a small winger with below-average speed. 

    Still, that correction can't make up for the original sin of taking a player the front office never seemed enamored of in the first place. It's been five years since that draft. Five years of development for Rossi, and five years of the organization pouring resources into him, only to be on the verge of selling him at a discount. If that happens, it's hard to conclude anything other than the team wasted the time of everyone involved, including themselves, and the fallout of going BPA might end up setting back their Stanley Cup aspirations.

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    Rossi is good enough to be a top six player on most teams.  That means he is expendable because we don't like his size even though we picked him knowing his size.

    We "fixed" the Rossi "problem" by drafting Stramel, who may or may not turn out to be as good as Rossi. 

    I think the Wild should only trade Rossi if they can get equal scoring production because, and I don't know if anyone has heard this, we can't score goals. 

    We are currently trying to "grit" our way to victories with one goal per game while the rest of the league is lighting the lamp.  It is like we are playing Jaques hockey 25 years into the franchise.

    The last 15 games of playoff hockey, 2 goals won the game twice and the rest had 3 to 5 goals scored by the winner.  We would have lost all 13 out of 15 of those games.

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    The mind numbing stupidity of Bill Guerin and many Wild fans is further illustrated when you realize that Danila Yurov is actually 6-8 pounds LIGHTER than Marco Rossi.

    The ability to fixate on size DESPITE production really, really reflects poorly on Guerin.  Hopefully he gets fired before he makes a franchise altering mistake.

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    Great article. I watched that interview with Russo. He was talking about how Billy doesn’t like guys with soft skill . He said the wild think Rossi has soft skill and can’t compete with the speed of the playoffs. That’s an absolute head scratcher! What is fred? The definition of soft skill yet no one can criticize him . They think Rossi was softer than Fred. Heck Fred is still trying to pick himself of the ice he’s been run over and pushed around so much in playoffs.  What’s Jo Jo . He’s soft like charmin yet Russo said Billy might bring him back. I’ve never been a big Rossi fan due to him being undersized. However he proved more than Fred when it comes to toughness and physicality. 
        Judd drafted a bunch of d men that have never made it . A 9 th overall that they will most likely sell at discount . Hes got a bunch more of undersized wings and centers that seem like the soft skill type. So what are they doing? Size with skill is more valuable, yet we draft small and soft. 
    Even  if Judd hits on some guys there development is non existent!  Iowa straight up sucks like it always has . Yet Billy is sticking to his guns with a bad coach and rookie gm for Iowa. So they can send there top prospects down there to learn how to lose. John Hynes isn’t a good coach just like the Iowa coach. There is not any type of quality development. None of Billy’s guys have made it with his development!  Prospect rating means nothing  if you can’t develop. 

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    *insert potential talks between unnamed people that may or may not be real.  This is done for satirical purposes*

     

    Logical thinker: So, about the center position.  We've got Ek with Kap and Boldy.  What do we do about 2C or 3C?  Does that guy who scored on the 4th line get another chance, despite scoring more than the other guys we played?

    Emotional thinker: FUCK NO, HE WON"T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.  HE WANTS TOO MUCH MONEY!

     

    Logical thinker: "But the cap is going up.  A LOT of people are going to be signed for the same amount of money.  Why don't we just play Rossi, Yurov, etc. at wing if one proves to be better?  We can just slowly dump contracts and give out money of the new guys do what Rossi did?

    Emotional thinker: "What?  What do you think we're paying Hartman and Gaudreau for? They already play center and can go to wing anyway...wait."

     

    Logical thinker: Ok.  But do we know if Yurov, Stramel, or etc. are better centers?  How many points have they scored, how is their defense?  Have they played in the NHL?

    Emotional thinker: But they can do what Rossi did for free.  I mean, Rossi did it already.  How hard can that be?

     

    Logical thinker: So, what you're saying is you want to pay $8m to a 35 year old, and maybe another $8m to a winger, when you could pay $7-8m to a 23 year old who may get better?

    Emotional thinker: BUT HE SMALL!  We got some guys from Minnesota that want money.  It worked out last time didn't it?

     

    Logical thinker: Ok...ok.  You're convinced he's done.  He won't sign.  Any idea what he will go for in a trade?

    Emotional thinker: uh...a first and a third?

    Logical thinker: OH FOR FUCK, WHY"D YOU DRAFT HIM THEN?

    Emotional thinker: Another guy drafted him not me.  I didn't see the stat sheet on the guy's physical until the day after.  He looks like the guy who pumps my gas.

     

     

     

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    It's been five years since that draft. Five years of development for Rossi, and five years of the organization pouring resources into him, only to be on the verge of selling him at a discount.

    Of course, it seems rather obvious that they have been trying to move him since last off-season, but didn't have the cap space left to maneuver, especially after people started getting hurt and it didn't leave us much to work with. 

    Prior to that they couldn't do much because it took him so long to recover and get back to where he was because of the myocarditis.  It wasn't until last year that he really showed he was a capable NHLer.

    So, yes, they put 5 years into him, but a significant portion of that time was out of the Wild's control - and there was a lot of limitations to what they could realistically get for him during most of the rest of that time.

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    1 hour ago, Dean said:


    Even  if Judd hits on some guys there development is non existent!  Iowa straight up sucks like it always has . Yet Billy is sticking to his guns with a bad coach and rookie gm for Iowa. So they can send there top prospects down there to learn how to lose. John Hynes isn’t a good coach just like the Iowa coach. There is not any type of quality development. None of Billy’s guys have made it with his development!  Prospect rating means nothing  if you can’t develop. 

    Billy G is running a country club for his buddies.

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    I don’t think the Wild have had a problem with drafting the best player available over need. I say that because they’ve needed an upgrade at EVERY position except Left Wing. Goalie, right shot D, center, puck moving offense D, skilled scoring, even a big middle to bottom 6 center. Now that they’ve made it through the S&P contracts they are looking around at the roster and trying to figure out what is most important to them and if and when it can be addressed. My opinion is they want to add a really good playoff caliber player. Vegas got JE. Florida got MT. Dallas hasn’t proven anything yet but they got Rant. If and when the Wild can pull that off and still retain solid depth they’ll have accomplished a solid rebuild on the fly. Trading excellent players that are drafted and developed is part of the process. 

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    59 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    *insert potential talks between unnamed people that may or may not be real.  This is done for satirical purposes*

     

    Logical thinker: So, about the center position.  We've got Ek with Kap and Boldy.  What do we do about 2C or 3C?  Does that guy who scored on the 4th line get another chance, despite scoring more than the other guys we played?

    Emotional thinker: FUCK NO, HE WON"T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.  HE WANTS TOO MUCH MONEY!

     

    Logical thinker: "But the cap is going up.  A LOT of people are going to be signed for the same amount of money.  Why don't we just play Rossi, Yurov, etc. at wing if one proves to be better?  We can just slowly dump contracts and give out money of the new guys do what Rossi did?

    Emotional thinker: "What?  What do you think we're paying Hartman and Gaudreau for? They already play center and can go to wing anyway...wait."

     

    Logical thinker: Ok.  But do we know if Yurov, Stramel, or etc. are better centers?  How many points have they scored, how is their defense?  Have they played in the NHL?

    Emotional thinker: But they can do what Rossi did for free.  I mean, Rossi did it already.  How hard can that be?

     

    Logical thinker: So, what you're saying is you want to pay $8m to a 35 year old, and maybe another $8m to a winger, when you could pay $7-8m to a 23 year old who may get better?

    Emotional thinker: BUT HE SMALL!  We got some guys from Minnesota that want money.  It worked out last time didn't it?

     

    Logical thinker: Ok...ok.  You're convinced he's done.  He won't sign.  Any idea what he will go for in a trade?

    Emotional thinker: uh...a first and a third?

    Logical thinker: OH FOR FUCK, WHY"D YOU DRAFT HIM THEN?

    Emotional thinker: Another guy drafted him not me.  I didn't see the stat sheet on the guy's physical until the day after.  He looks like the guy who pumps my gas.

     

     

     

    So, what you're saying is you want to pay $8m to a 35 year old, and maybe another $8m to a winger, when you could pay $7-8m to a 23 year old who may get better?

    can we do neither? And instead look for a way to better construct our top 6 with balanced attack? These extremes are unnecessary. Rossi does not fit our core top 6 and has enough value to maybe draw interest from another team and both teams can come out with good package

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    Here is a thought......every team has guys that are under the league average size.  If you think about it, half the league is below the average size., the other half is above the average size.  

    It would seem reasonable to think that a) a smaller than average player can still be successful and b) a team with some undersized players can be successful.

    The kid is 23 and has been successful already.  

    The thought that "he is not our optimal player" is different from "we need to get rid of him, even if it means his replacement is not as good a player."  Not every player is "optimal" but some are damn good despite that. 

    If you can find somebody better, all for it.  I am not so sure they will if history is a guide.

     

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    How many players have we lost for various reasons that are still playing today in the POs.

    Nino N, Duhaime, Mikael Granlund, Sam Steel, Matt Dumba, Klingberg, Reaves, Nico Sturm, Kulikov, Tyson Jost, Brent Burns.  

    I would happily take Granlund, Sturm and Burns back... Maybe Nino.  I bring this up because Rossi is going to have a solid career and he will make a splash in the playoffs.  He is still improving and only 23 YO.  The only question is the Pay.  Personally I like a Bridge deal for 2 years.

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    2 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    How many players have we lost for various reasons that are still playing today in the POs.

    Nino N, Duhaime, Mikael Granlund, Sam Steel, Matt Dumba, Klingberg, Reaves, Nico Sturm, Kulikov, Tyson Jost, Brent Burns.  

    Have Dumba or Reaves actually been on the ice though?

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    It sounds more like a problem with the prospect evaluation and/or development than with the best player available strategy.  If the guy can’t play playoff hockey, sounds like you didn’t draft the best player available.

    Drafting Stramel doesn’t fix any disconnect.  They still probably could have had him in a later round.  He projects as a bottom six player.  They likely could’ve taken best player available (Perrault, etc.) AND gotten Stramel.  We’ll never know, but it sure looks that way.

    Also, when you take these guys, some are 3-4-5 years away from being a meaningful contributor.  If ever.  How can you possibly know the needs of your team.  And why would you pick a 4th liner as the position you’re going to gamble on in the 1st round?  

    If you have a surplus at a particular high skill position, you can make trades for established players or prospects that fit the role you need.  High end skill guys are worth more than 4th line centers.  Create value and work from there.  Don’t try to fit a square peg in a round hole, and don’t overthink it.  

     

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    4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Rossi does not fit our core top 6 and has enough value to maybe draw interest from another team and both teams can come out with good package

    I agree with this but what bothers me here is Billy does not see enough value in Rossi to keep him on the team. When Billy wants someone gone it usually does not take very long. He can be impatient and takes the first "fair" offer. If you do not see value in someone it's hard to get value in return.  Rossi is as good as gone but I think what we get in return is going to be underwhelming and it may be a net loss. 

    If it's a package deal with say a Faber or someone who Billy actually values it may be a needle mover but I don't see Billy doing that. 

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    8 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    I agree with this but what bothers me here is Billy does not see enough value in Rossi to keep him on the team. When Billy wants someone gone it usually does not take very long. He can be impatient and takes the first "fair" offer. If you do not see value in someone it's hard to get value in return.  Rossi is as good as gone but I think what we get in return is going to be underwhelming and it may be a net loss. 

    If it's a package deal with say a Faber or someone who Billy actually values it may be a needle mover but I don't see Billy doing that. 

    what bothers me here is Billy does not see enough value in Rossi to keep him on the team. When Billy wants someone gone it usually does not take very long. He can be impatient and takes the first "fair" offer. If you do not see value in someone it's hard to get value in return.  Rossi is as good as gone but I think what we get in return is going to be underwhelming and it may be a net loss. 

    very true

    but maybe bill will surprise us all when his elaborate plan (and very secretive, one no one seen coming!)  is revealed and we have Ek, Tkachuk, Kap, Boldy, Marner, Yurov, Nelson, Harty, Foligno Zuccy Trenin MJ (Inevitable!) to ice next year! 😆

     

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    Granlund with a hat trick.  Interesting since he isn’t mean, tall, and/or heavy.  His coach and GM must be stupid for not restricting his minutes by placing him on the 4th line to unlock 4th line players potential or to drive down his value if he doesn’t fit the team’s plans for next year.  Oh wait … maybe they are interested in scoring more goals and playing their most skilled players more to do just that and win multiple series.
     

    Again, I think GMBG will trade Rossi away.  In another classic Billy move, he and Hynes decreased his trade value by having him play 4th line in the playoffs and telegraphing that he wants him gone.  I am sure he will get fair value of an older vet that will want the same or more money with too long of term and clauses.

    If the Wild need more size and grit in the top 6, why was Nyquist played in the top 6 with Zuccy and Gaudreau?  Gaudreau wasn’t protecting either of his wingers.  This inconsistent and circular argument depending on what player is discussed is ludicrous.
     

    But what do I know, Yurov who is more slightly built than Rossi should be able to immediately slot in and be better than Rossi.  It isn’t like Yurov has had any injuries the last two years and it isn’t like Rossi has played every single game the last two years.  Height was also a magical saving rookie.  (Heavy sarcasm for this entire paragraph).

    Trade rumors have other teams interested in Rossi, but avoiding offer sheets and likely lowballing the Wild since it is no secret the team doesn’t want him.

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    50 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

    Granlund with a hat trick.  Interesting since he isn’t mean, tall, and/or heavy.  His coach and GM must be stupid for not restricting his minutes by placing him on the 4th line to unlock 4th line players potential or to drive down his value if he doesn’t fit the team’s plans for next year.  Oh wait … maybe they are interested in scoring more goals and playing their most skilled players more to do just that and win multiple series.
     

    Again, I think GMBG will trade Rossi away.  In another classic Billy move, he and Hynes decreased his trade value by having him play 4th line in the playoffs and telegraphing that he wants him gone.  I am sure he will get fair value of an older vet that will want the same or more money with too long of term and clauses.

    If the Wild need more size and grit in the top 6, why was Nyquist played in the top 6 with Zuccy and Gaudreau?  Gaudreau wasn’t protecting either of his wingers.  This inconsistent and circular argument depending on what player is discussed is ludicrous.
     

    But what do I know, Yurov who is more slightly built than Rossi should be able to immediately slot in and be better than Rossi.  It isn’t like Yurov has had any injuries the last two years and it isn’t like Rossi has played every single game the last two years.  Height was also a magical saving rookie.  (Heavy sarcasm for this entire paragraph).

    Trade rumors have other teams interested in Rossi, but avoiding offer sheets and likely lowballing the Wild since it is no secret the team doesn’t want him.

    It's so obvious it makes me feel like we're all missing something. 

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    What can we do? The wild have the holy trinity of idiots running this team.

    They keep doing the same things and ending in mediocrity... as long as fans are continuing to be in the stands, liepold won't care.

    Getting rid of rossi (and it WILL be at a loss) is stupid. But hey we need more size, not scoring, to win.

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    8 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

    What can we do? The wild have the holy trinity of idiots running this team.

    They keep doing the same things and ending in mediocrity... as long as fans are continuing to be in the stands, liepold won't care.

    Getting rid of rossi (and it WILL be at a loss) is stupid. But hey we need more size, not scoring, to win.

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    17 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    He is still improving and only 23 YO.  The only question is the Pay.  Personally I like a Bridge deal for 2 years.

    I think Guerin would love a 2 yr bridge deal too.  It appears that Rossi rejected a 5yr X 5M so he feels he deserves better than a 2 yr bridge.  

    If Guerin is able to sign him to a 3yr X 6M 'bridge' I would consider that a win for the Wild.  But I think Rossi feels he deserves more $ AND term.  And the way Rossi was relegated to the 4th line in the playoffs makes Rossi even less inclined to compromise.

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    32 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I think Guerin would love a 2 yr bridge deal too.  It appears that Rossi rejected a 5yr X 5M so he feels he deserves better than a 2 yr bridge.  

    If Guerin is able to sign him to a 3yr X 6M 'bridge' I would consider that a win for the Wild.  But I think Rossi feels he deserves more $ AND term.  And the way Rossi was relegated to the 4th line in the playoffs makes Rossi even less inclined to compromise.

    A 3yr x 6M would be good.  I would happily keep him at that price. 

    I have no doubt that Rossi feels slighted.  He may be willing to sign for less somewhere else just to get a fresh start.  If the bridge is burned you trade him.  Pay no longer matters.  If the bridge is not burned than all options are on the table. 

    IMO:  Rossi is not a $7M player.   Overpaying for players is a playbook for mediocrity. 

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    Let me remind all that 

    - Nyquist was a rental and is gone - Enough about him

    - Freddy is a utility player that plays hard and scored almost 20 goals this year - yeah he wasn’t good in PO but it’s ok

    - Rossi - he was struggling to end the season, during the PO got rightfully demoted and given sheltered role against lighter matchups. His battle level was by far the worst on the team, and by game 5 he full on quit on the team - you can see him being lazy and disengaged. I can guarantee everyone on the team noticed it. Rossi needs to go. He can play well for another team but not this team. 

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