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  • Is Marco Rossi Destined To Become the Next Matt Dumba?


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    Tony Abbott

    For the second straight offseason, Marco Rossi responded to the trade rumors swirling around him by making himself indispensable. In 2023, he trained hard to gain the speed and strength to propel him to his 20-goal, 40-point rookie season. After still having his name in the rumor mill this summer, Rossi came back to start hot, scoring five goals and 15 points in his first 19 games. 

    With 0.79 points per game, Rossi has the ninth-most points per game of any Under-24 Minnesota Wild player (minimum 15 games). The only players with better seasons at Rossi's age or younger are Matt Boldy, Marian Gaborik, Kirill Kaprizov, and Kevin Fiala. None of those names, as you'll recall, are centers. His age-22 season is shaping up to be up there with the top young centers in recent memory.

    It's a smallish sample size, but here's where he ranks among 22-year-old centers in 5-on-5 points per hour since 2007-08:

    1. Sidney Crosby, 3.41
    2. Auston Matthews, 3.04
    3. Nathan MacKinnon, 3.00
    4. David Krejci, 2.99
    5. Robert Thomas, 2.93
    6. Connor McDavid, 2.86
    7. Jamie Benn, 2.76
    8. Brayden Point, 2.75
    9. Evgeni Malkin, 2.75
    10. MARCO ROSSI, 2.65
    11. Tyler Seguin, 2.64
    12. Leon Draisaitl, 2.67
    13. Matt Duchene, 2.56
    14. Claude Giroux, 2.53
    15. Mark Scheifele, 2.51

    There's a phrase for centers this young, playing this well: Franchise cornerstone. Of these 15 players, only two have been traded, and that number drops to zero among the top-10. But even with this second breakout from Rossi, he's still back in the trade rumor mill. Rossi is No. 15 on The Athletic's first trade board list of the season, and Michael Russo is perhaps even more convinced he'll be on the move soon. 

    "I am still convinced that they are going to trade him," he declared on the latest "Worst Seats in the House" podcast. "I don't know when, I don't know if it's imminent, or by the deadline, or next summer. I just think that they do not feel that he's a player to commit to long-term....

    "It just seems to me that, for a guy who's done everything they wanted -- skipped his sister's wedding, didn't participate in the Austrian Olympic qualifiers... He wants to win, he's a total pro. To cut ties with this guy at 22, and sometimes, in my eyes, treat him the way they are, I just think they're really gonna regret this."

    Rossi's plight gets to a core belief of humanity: You can not escape your fate. The Greeks knew this thousands of years ago and wrote the play on it with Oedipus Rex. For a more contemporary example, Wild fans can turn to longtime defenseman Matt Dumba.

    Dumba was here for 598 games, and about 450 were under the fog of speculation that he'd be the odd man out. Whether it was two expansion drafts or the many trade deadlines and drafts he spent on those trade rumor boards, NHL observers and Wild fans predicted a Dumba Doomsday with about the same accuracy as The Reasonabliists

    Maybe prophecy won't fail, and Rossi will be on the move, but maybe Dumba just passed the mantle along to Rossi. Someone whose name always pops up in the trade rumors without the supposed trade ever materializing. After all, Minnesota never traded Dumba, even though the rumors persisted until 2023, his final trade deadline with the playoff-bound Wild.

    So, what happened with Dumba then, and why could the same thing happen with Rossi?

    There's rarely one reason why a player does or doesn't get traded. However, if you had to pinpoint any one thing about the Dumba saga, it had to be that he was too valuable to ultimately part with. Look how the Wild went above and beyond to keep Dumba in the fold during the Vegas expansion draft. A double-digit goal-scorer was simply too valuable to lose for nothing, even if the alternative meant losing a power forward prospect in Alex Tuch.

    Here's what people don't talk about in those expansion draft retrospectives: The Wild were right. Dumba put up 14 goals and 50 points in the next season as a nearly 24-minute per night defenseman. That's a valuable, valuable piece for any team's blueline. He was too good to throw away frivolously, even after his pectoral injury changed his career trajectory.

    And perhaps as importantly, the Wild were too good to trade him for futures or less than equal value. Minnesota was competing for a Stanley Cup, needed a top center, and had a surplus of talent on the wing. They needed their version of Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen, and they learned that Johansens don't grow on trees. Or at least, when they sprout up, they don't get traded.

    Starting next season, it's go-time for the Wild. The Zach Parise and Ryan Suter buyouts are (mostly) coming off the books, and rising expectations and pressure will replace them. Minnesota's not going to be able to take a step back in a Rossi trade; they'll need to get equal value that's ready to contribute now.

    Look at the rest of that trade board, and ask yourself which names will be equal value? A struggling, pass-first winger in Trevor Zegras? A scuffling defensive prospect in David Jiricek? What's the point of getting a Bowen Byram when Zeev Buium may be ready to pull a Brock Faber and step in at the end of the year?

    And if you don't like those guys... the rest of the list doesn't get younger.

    There are few things more valuable in hockey than a young top-six center. Any Rossi trade for a non-center is, almost by definition, taking a haircut. The Wild spent years trying to square that circle with Dumba before and after his career-altering injury, and couldn't. And that was with a player with less positional value than Rossi.

    Can Guerin resolve that problem? Who knows? Maybe Russo has the right read on the situation, and the Wild are determined to move on eventually. Or perhaps the Wild might want to do it but never find the right deal, and he stays in Minnesota and the rumor mill until his free agency, like Dumba did. Or maybe Rossi finds a way to escape his fate and stay in the Wild's long-term plans.

    At this point, anything is on the table.

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    Outside of Russo and the media, who is talking about trading Rossi? I don't see many readers of this site promoting it. It's not like the squad has an overabundance of goal scoring centers and it's hard to imagine getting the equivalent in return. Maybe, just maybe, it's the media conjuring up trade speculation as that's pretty much what they do.

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    He can do all the hockey things he wants but until he gets the password to the Billy Boys club  he will live his life on the outside looking in. 

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    I've been of the belief you can fit both Rossi and Yurov and figure out who is better afterward.  Any worry that the team would lose offensive punch with Zuccarello out and Kap and Boldy going up top died when the Rossi/Hartman line (and I guess Johansson too) found success.

    If keeping Rossi means losing a Lauko or Khusnutdinov, you do it.  As good as the 4th line has been, they aren't the scoring threats Rossi keeps proving to be, "passenger" or not.  "But he's 5'9" and kinda slow."  I like Khusnutdinov, but what has the speed advantage gotten him but PK skills?  Khusnutdinov has 6 points in 100 games.  Rossi has 56 in 120....

    If you have to bridge deal, just get the bridge deal done.  Figure out if Yurov or Rossi are the better top line fit and pay them more later.

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    Looks like Ohgren(5 goals in 5 games) and Toporowski(6 goals in 4 games) might be the best forwards in Iowa. They have as many goals now as the guys who have been in Iowa for 14 to 15 games.

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    Oh goodie.  Just read a Flyers dirt sheet site wondering if getting Rossi is a good idea.  Yeah...for them.  Sure shit doesn't look like Frost is a good return for that.  Maybe Frost and a first or something just to get more than a flier on a Flyer...lol sorry. Had to do it.  It was there.

     

     

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    his last game against Oilers showed what we (me and Heiny and Billy!) are fearing will happen to him during end of season games and into the playoffs. we cannot hide that many small players. zuccy will come back, and unfortunately for Rossi, there is either him or Zuccy. 

    as for the fancy stats - ask your self - is it fair for any of them to be compared to Rossi? maybe then we should look outside of stats? maybe consider (a) luck (b) teammates (c) attention that is afforded in extreme measures to cover for kaprizov, so Rossi either gets spoon fed those on L1 or gets easier time playing against weaker D on other Lines? 

    i very much doubt that any of the 14 other players on that list play against the same competition. but regardless - he is one of our biggest assets that we have - to loose that is foolish. Billy will capitalize on it, and Rossi will be gone at TD. if it brings us back Tuch and closes the Dumba circle - that will be fine with me. 

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    Reading up on Jiricek, it seems like he is likely to be moved. CBJ might ask for Rossi, but he's not worth that at this point. He's more worth a Johansson. 

    I would take a chance on the defender. I think we could get him into Iowa and put him in a more structured environment, something more stable. He's 20 and has confidence issues. That happens to a 20 year old coming over from Europe with not much around him. At least in Iowa, he'd have his teammate, Spacek, to help him out. 

    But, just like Laine, Jiricek has minimal market value. Waddell wants a top 6 wing who can help with scoring. Futures is likely what he will get. Jiricek has the potential to be a great replacement for Spurgeon and an RHS shot on D. He's not ready yet, but he can be.

    Waddell will have offers, how can our prospect offers stand up? I'm saying a guy like Peart and maybe a wing (nhl) like Bankier might get this done. Perhaps flipping a Heidt who is less far along might work? CBJ is aways away from competing, so maybe Heidt fits their timeline better? 

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    Agreed with everyone that says Rossi is doing just fine as 1C / 2C.  If L1 size is an issue, put Ek between KK97 and Zucc, and let Rossi center Boldy and Jojo (or Hartman, or Ohgren eventually) against "heavy" teams.  

    When Yurov arrives, either in 25 or 26 (he might very well need part or most of a season in IA, same as Ohgren), we'll have the Good Problem of deciding how to play Ek, Rossi, and Yurov on L1 / L2 / L3.  Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi.

    Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming.

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    2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    If keeping Rossi means losing a Lauko or Khusnutdinov, you do it. 

    Both of these guys won't break the bank, might be closer to minimum deals. That's not where Rossi money is going. Yurov also gets a lower deal, though, he will have bonuses attached to it. I've predicted a bridge deal or long term deal for Rossi coming around the time of year Boldy's did, I think Shooter just needed a little more tape on him.

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    26 minutes ago, bisopher said:

    When Yurov arrives,

    I wouldn't assume he gets here. They are starting to throw long range missiles that can carry nukes over there. Getting in and out of that country could and likely will become impossible. 

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Sure shit doesn't look like Frost is a good return for that. 

    We're not taking Frost + 1st. 1st would likely be lottery protected, it's not going to work. Now if it weren't lottery protected that might be enticing but doesn't help our win now mantra. If it's about winning, I'm not seeing it.

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    Can somebody explain this to me. Zuccarello goes down and won't be back for quite awhile. He plays left point on the PP and the QB position. Rossi plays the same spot on PP2. Why isn't Rossi elevated to PP1 in the same spot??? 

    This has been bugging me for a couple of games now, it seems like a layup to do this, you know, like picking Barkley on the playground with 10 yr. old kids!

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    30 minutes ago, bisopher said:

    Agreed with everyone that says Rossi is doing just fine as 1C / 2C.  If L1 size is an issue, put Ek between KK97 and Zucc, and let Rossi center Boldy and Jojo (or Hartman, or Ohgren eventually) against "heavy" teams.  

    When Yurov arrives, either in 25 or 26 (he might very well need part or most of a season in IA, same as Ohgren), we'll have the Good Problem of deciding how to play Ek, Rossi, and Yurov on L1 / L2 / L3.  Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi.

    Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming.

    Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi. I feel the opposite is true. Marat is a keeper. Rossi is expendable. 

    Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming. He is not Elite.   

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    5 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Can somebody explain this to me. Zuccarello goes down and won't be back for quite awhile. He plays left point on the PP and the QB position. Rossi plays the same spot on PP2. Why isn't Rossi elevated to PP1 in the same spot??? 

    This has been bugging me for a couple of games now, it seems like a layup to do this, you know, like picking Barkley on the playground with 10 yr. old kids!

    likely because Boldy Chissy and Kap won't be rotating or joining Ek in the danger zones and you may need 2 people in front of a goalie, and Rossi will just be tossed out. Harty does it better. If Trenin had any games, he probably would be useful. But.... 

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    3 hours ago, Fezig said:

    Outside of Russo and the media, who is talking about trading Rossi? I don't see many readers of this site promoting it. It's not like the squad has an overabundance of goal scoring centers and it's hard to imagine getting the equivalent in return. Maybe, just maybe, it's the media conjuring up trade speculation as that's pretty much what they do.

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    Just now, OldDutchChip said:

    likely because Boldy Chissy and Kap won't be rotating or joining Ek in the danger zones and you may need 2 people in front of a goalie, and Rossi will just be tossed out.

    Are you saying that Zuccy wasn't tossed out? He didn't make too many breaks down the side, he played it similar to the way Rossi does. Instead, they stuck Boldy in that position and Hartsy in Boldy's old spot. It just seems like you'd be more disruptive that way than having a capable guy naturally fill in from Zuccy's spot where he's used to playing.

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    Just now, mnfaninnc said:

    Are you saying that Zuccy wasn't tossed out? He didn't make too many breaks down the side, he played it similar to the way Rossi does. Instead, they stuck Boldy in that position and Hartsy in Boldy's old spot. It just seems like you'd be more disruptive that way than having a capable guy naturally fill in from Zuccy's spot where he's used to playing.

    what kept zuccy in pp1 - zuccy and kap chemistry and zuccy's unbelievable passing 

    otherwise i think you need more strength and get into tough spots to score PP goals

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    Had to watch the highlights of this one, didn't get to watch live. Was prepared to give Johansson some credit if he scored a nice goal, but he had over half the net open and still hit the goalie on the side of his chest. He got lucky to receive such a nice pass and deflect in off a goalie who was out of position for his shot.

    Still feel like Ohgren could do all of the things Johansson does and more...

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    Just now, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Had to watch the highlights of this one, didn't get to watch live. Was prepared to give Johansson some credit if he scored a nice goal, but he had over half the net open and still hit the goalie on the side of his chest. He got lucky to receive such a nice pass and deflect in off a goalie who was out of position for his shot.

    Still feel like Ohgren could do all of the things Johansson does and more...

    It won't show up on the highlights but Nojo had a prime opportunity and missed the net by about 15ft.....

    WTF seriously.

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