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    Hockey Wilderness is counting down the Minnesota Wild’s Top-10 Prospects, as voted by our staff. Today, we give you everything you need to know about our No. 3 prospect, Marco Rossi.

    These annual rankings are generally a time of hype and optimism. Everyone on our list so far is a good prospect, with potential to maybe even be really good, if not great. We look at these rankings and pencil out a future lineup that includes most, if not all, of these young players.

    Statistically, that's not going to happen. Obviously, some will pan out. Maybe even most of them. But even highly-touted prospects don't quite make it, and a farm system rarely delivers on 100% of its promise. That reality does little to temper the good vibes train. Why would it? It's summer, and the future is inherently exciting.

    Marco Rossi is probably the only exception to this rule. The 2020 No. 9 overall pick has many in the State of Hockey bailing on him like they do with Pronto Pups the day the State Fair ends. Last season, he was fighting it out with Jesper Wallstedt as the Minnesota Wild's top prospect. Now, he just barely avoided getting bumped down to fifth place in our voting.

    What made people forget about the two-way promise that made him a first-round pick? How could there be so much pessimism surrounding a center? You know, the thing the Wild have desperately needed since forever. Rossi put up 104 points in 116 AHL games before turning 22. Why would there even be noises about the team souring on him and potential trades involving him this summer?

    The answer amounts to 21 career NHL games. Granted, he scored one point in those games. But we're talking about fewer than 270 career minutes spread over two seasons. Dudes like Pontus Aberg, Kyle Rau, and Tyson Jost have gotten more run with this club recently.

    That simply shouldn't have happened. Not for a kid this skilled, not for a team that needed an influx of talent at center. Rossi should have gotten more of an NHL opportunity. Remember, the Wild started the season with Rossi on the roster, only to start showing hesitancy to play him by Game 2. That happened all while Minnesota demoted Ryan Hartman from being Kirill Kaprizov's center and giving an audition to Freddy Gaudreau before Sam Steel seized the job.

    Yes, that's the same Steel Minnesota liked so much that they let him walk, despite costing their Central Division rivals, the Dallas Stars, $850K to sign.

    Enough is enough. The Wild already invested a sizable chunk of their future in Rossi taking over the No. 1 Center role. They opted not to trade him for futures, essentially recycling a first-round pick, this summer. Potential centers in Marat Khusnutdinov and Danila Yurov could be pushing for a center role as soon as next year. Minnesota has to see what he can do in between Kaprizov and Mats Zuccarello.

    The question is: Are they willing to do it? 

    In a KFAN town hall Dan Barreiro hosted on August 15, Barreiro pressed Bill Guerin on that very question. Doesn't it make sense to commit to Rossi in that spot and find out what you have in him?

    "If you're looking at it from any other seat than mine or Dean [Evason's], yeah, that sounds great. Just commit to it and stay with it! OK, great," said Guerin. "When Zuccarello and Kaprizov come walking in your office, what are you gonna say now? Or when he can't do it yet, and he has zero confidence, and he comes walking in your office, what are you gonna do now?"

    Uh-oh.

    Look, it's the offseason, and Guerin doesn't make that call. We understand that he can't make a hard commitment and promise a player a prime roster spot out of training camp. But combined with how the Wild have treated him before, this reads as going beyond a standard non-committal answer.

    Look, we ask our guys to compete, Guerin could have easily said. Spots are there for our players to take, and we want them to take those jobs, like Matt Boldy did two years ago, and like Brock Faber did in the playoffs. We know he's been working hard this summer, but that's up to him to finish the job in training camp.

    Something like that might have been a canned answer or standard GM-speak. But that boring response would at least give Rossi a vote of confidence that yes, he can win the job, and a challenge to take it.

    Instead, what does he lead with? What if he fails? What if his teammates buck against it? Is he going to break?

    It almost reads like fear, which has seemed to be the thing holding Rossi back from opportunities over the past two years. At first, caution was warranted. When he came back from his bout of myocarditis, there was a logic to making sure he could handle the rigors of a full season of hockey. It was unfortunate that the team so desperately needed his services, but you can at least understand why the Wild didn't bring him up in 2021-22.

    But he was an afterthought from mid-October on last year, and that read as fear. Not just the coaches seemingly worrying that a rookie mistake might mess things up instead of the perceived steady hands of Hartman, Gaudreau, and Steel. But also, for a fanbase increasingly guarding themselves against the shoe dropping on a top prospect. What if he's Luke Kunin, or James Sheppard, or Zack Phillips? Should the Wild have grabbed Player X instead in 2020?

    It's August. Every team is 0-0-0, and no player will average below a point per game for almost two more months. Why lead with fear now? Especially because the cautious mentality is something Rossi himself is working to eradicate from his mind. Back in June, he told The Athletic's Joe Smith that he deleted his social media? Why?

    "It was too much for me," Rossi explained. "You see all the comments. Then you start thinking, 'What if? What if?' That's not good."

    Rossi has fought long COVID and worked his way back to professional hockey. He finished top-two in scoring for his AHL club while earning an "A" on his chest as a 21-year-old. Those are impressive accomplishments, and yet, he still has so much more to overcome.

    That hill to climb threatens to overshadow his talent, which is notable. In his first AHL season, he started strong and faded down the stretch. Last season, the opposite happened. The Iowa Wild made him their workhorse, and he dragged a depleted squad into the playoffs. He scored 11 of his 16 goals en route to 35 points in his final 35 games. Rossi even added two points in two Calder Cup playoff contests.

    But it sounds like Rossi is ready to break through the noise and shine this fall. Through all this, he's done what the team has asked of him. He built on his game and worked at changing his mindset on the ice in Des Moines. The Wild asked Rossi to stay in the United States rather than going home to Austria to work on his strength and skating. He's done it, no complaints. Anything he feels will help him make the team, he's game for.

    "This is my time," he told Smith back in June. "I know I can make it." You'd like to see the organization and the fanbase have more confidence in the top prospect, but it appears that Rossi has vanquished the fear. Maybe that's all that matters. 

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    I liked how Rossi looked in his last call up at the end of the season. Hopefully he can build on that. I'm pretty confident he starts the season in St. Paul, which line he'll be playing on is the big question. 

    One of the things I was most excited about when they drafted him was his work ethic and desire to succeed. Sounds like he hasn't lost that. Godspeed young un...

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    The biggest issue is size. To make it in the NHL as a little guy is the hardest thing to do. It's like 1% of players in the  best ever players. That's why so many teams passed on Rossi, because that precedent is well established.

    Guerin is being realistic. Rossi has to win an NHL roster spot. Being a former 1st rounder doesn't mean what some people think it should mean.

     

    Jonathan Drouin was another guy taken early in the draft but it never really came together at the NHL level. Pressure, stress, mental-health was part of the issue there. I don't know if that guy even plays hockey anymore. You never know with draft picks how it will go but big North American kids who can skate are the most likely to make it per the numbers and historical record.

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    Rossi has been through a lot.  First and foremost I hope he stays healthy and doesn't have to go through any more heart/chest issues.  I do believe Rossi will earn a full time contract in the NHL.... just not sure where his ceiling is at or if he will do it in MN. 

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    From what I can tell on the roster we have a single potential opening for one of the IA crew to earn a spot.  Rossi, Walker and Beckman should all be working their tails off to earn that spot.  Beckman sure seems like the odds on favorite to me based on last season.  But summer has a way of changing things.

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    I look forward to seeing what Rossi can do with more NHL minutes, but I'd have dropped him to 5th or 6th in the prospect pool. Could still be a couple years away from being strong enough to really stand out in a positive way.

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    We've beat the proverbial dead horse to death on the Rossi talk.

    It's almost to the point of if he produces, great, if not, he's still young and we have other prospects to fill the void.

    I've got nothing against Rossi, but the window is closing. The draft, COVID, myocarditis, our own inadequate line partners for him to "show" and our own conundrum with the salary cap putting more pressure on him to produce has been his wall.

    I wish him the best!

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    4 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    I liked how Rossi looked in his last call up at the end of the season. Hopefully he can build on that. I'm pretty confident he starts the season in St. Paul, which line he'll be playing on is the big question. 

    One of the things I was most excited about when they drafted him was his work ethic and desire to succeed. Sounds like he hasn't lost that. Godspeed young un...

    WPB, I hope it works for him on the 3rd line.

    No pressure with Freddy to help along the way and help protect him. Freddy Hockey does all the little things right and would be a good line mentor for Rossi.

    He needs a couple apples to get this weight off his shoulders. I'm thinking Freddy is his wing and not sure Moose is the fix. I'd like to take Duhaime and put him on the 3rd line because of his speed and increased goals last year.

    Moose n Maroon as the "bash brothers" with Dewy2 is more appealing.

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    Great article! 

    They really need to give him a legit shot.he was supposed to be a no 1 center, put him on the top line and give him a legit shot. I don't see why they won't atleast try it. They gave a bunch of other guys a shot but not rossi.

    A "small ball" line could work. If they have speed and skill and the other lines use there size and grit to push on other teams, there is no reason a kap, rossi, zucc line couldn't be lethal.

    Give him a shot, if he fails bring in another prospect. They need to figure out what they have in him.

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    Where is a dead horse dammit?  

    I've got high hopes for Rossi and want him to get a true test.  Like the consensus around here goes, I'm wanting to see him put on some strength and embrace the attitude needed.  This is it... no more excuses.  

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    Everyone says Rossi’s obstacle is his size.  That’s not wrong.  His size is a disadvantage.

    But, we’ve seen a lot of diminutive players succeed in the NHL.  It’s going to come down to the intangibles.  The fire in his belly.  The competitive edge.

    I don’t know much about the guy.  But, I haven’t yet seen anything that’s stood out to me as belly fire.  At this point, I’m not sure he has it.  I’m not expecting much above decent.  I hope I’m wrong because he’s desperately needed.

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    27 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Where is a dead horse dammit?  

    I've got high hopes for Rossi and want him to get a true test.  Like the consensus around here goes, I'm wanting to see him put on some strength and embrace the attitude needed.  This is it... no more excuses.  

    This Rossi talk and debate of is he gonna make it, worth the top 9 pick, is he gonna get a fair chance and succeed "dead horse". You need to earn a fair test, show anything when you do get a chance, no choking. I don't think strength or attitude are the problem. He has all the tools, consistency and execution sre what he needs to do. Another dead horse we've been beating 🙄   Agreed on THIS IS IT!

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    Well hell yeah, maybe BG was a little rough on the kid as Tony mentioned but maybe he hasn’t seen that fire in the belly yet either, and he is trying to bring it out. BG seems to be the sort that has a method to his madness so I would hope that is it. And I’m with ya Walt. No reason not to be on the Rossi bus at this time of the year when we have 8 rookies deserving to join the Show and some low paid older vets coming off poor years that we feel we probably need to keep.  I kid, I kid! (But I did read it here, didn’t I?) 

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    I really do like the last part that’s written: Anything he feels will help him make the team, he's game for.

    That’s my understanding of his entire experience as part of the Minnesota organization. He has willingly taken in tangible coaching and applies it as best he can within his personal context and development. 

    Collectively, the talent is there to field a team that can compete with anybody in the league, even be a threat for contenders without actually being a bona fide contender themselves. For me, this will be a season with a close eye on coaching and development more than anything. I don’t care about the wins and losses as much as I want to see the younger players, the future hopefuls of the franchise, being put in positions to improve and succeed. If it is a repeat of last season where meaningful opportunity was nonexistent for players like Beckman and Rossi, I can no longer trust and support the current regime. 

    There’s so, so much to be excited for with this organization as it stands. And yet, there is this underlying uneasiness and trepidation I can’t shake until I see what happens.

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    The Athletic just released their 2023 list for the Wild's prospect group. - 

    Corey Pronman

    For some reason Pronman still has Boldy on it, so he's #1. Also includes Faber at #6. If you excluded Boldy, that would move Rossi to #1 on his prospect list.

    He has him in front of Wallstedt, Stramel, Yurov, and Khusnutdinov.

    They also have Bankier ahead of Ohgren. They have Riley Heidt at #12, just behind Beckman, so he would be #10 if removing Boldy & Faber(guys already cemented on the Wild).

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    9 hours ago, Jon said:

    I really do like the last part that’s written: Anything he feels will help him make the team, he's game for.

    That’s my understanding of his entire experience as part of the Minnesota organization. He has willingly taken in tangible coaching and applies it as best he can within his personal context and development. 

    Collectively, the talent is there to field a team that can compete with anybody in the league, even be a threat for contenders without actually being a bona fide contender themselves. For me, this will be a season with a close eye on coaching and development more than anything. I don’t care about the wins and losses as much as I want to see the younger players, the future hopefuls of the franchise, being put in positions to improve and succeed. If it is a repeat of last season where meaningful opportunity was nonexistent for players like Beckman and Rossi, I can no longer trust and support the current regime. 

    There’s so, so much to be excited for with this organization as it stands. And yet, there is this underlying uneasiness and trepidation I can’t shake until I see what happens.

    %100 percent this. From what I have seen so far from DE and BG, I'm starting to feel like they give no weight to developing guys. They constantly pick up more journeyman to fill gaps instead of growing them internally or seeing if the prospects can step up. Guerin has said a couple times they get chances when they are ready but him or BG hardly reward good play while they are up for short stints. Beckman looked great in his callups last year and still wasn't considered before they filled the roster. We have at least three guys in the AHL right now knocking at the door, yet we backfill with gritty vets and leave one spot for someone. 

    The need for us to give guys a chance will only increase over the next couple years as the deep pipeline starts to come of age and experience. Are we going to leave them buried in the A? Resign liabilities like Moose, Goli and Merrill? Keep Zucc just because of his relationship with Kap? I think this year we will truly see if this team can start living in the present. 

    IMHO if you are sticking Rossi on the third line with Moose and Freddy, get ready for third line numbers. 17-21pts on the year. If you put him in that position and expect something more, you need to give him the linemates and tools to do so.

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    19 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Could still be a couple years away from being strong enough to really stand out in a positive way.

    I think it depends upon the training he did this summer. If his training was strictly endurance oriented, we're in trouble. If he made sure he lifted every day without skips, then we might have something. 

    We need an extra gear, we need more aggressive play (I don't mean physical play, but going and getting things without deferring) and he needs to open ice up for himself. The passiveness I saw last season must completely end. His strength should be quick acceleration and change of direction without losing control of the puck.

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    18 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

    They really need to give him a legit shot.he was supposed to be a no 1 center, put him on the top line and give him a legit shot. I don't see why they won't atleast try it. They gave a bunch of other guys a shot but not rossi.

    And herein lies the rub-preseason play. Since Evason is a don't play everyone in the preseason guy, he doesn't try to put line combinations together at that time. This would be a perfect time to experiment, except Kaprizov will receive not much preseason time, and Zuccarello probably less. 

    Climbing the ladder is hard, and I suspect Rossi will not get much of a chance with the top duo unless injuries happen.

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    1 hour ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    IMHO if you are sticking Rossi on the third line with Moose and Freddy, get ready for third line numbers. 17-21pts on the year. If you put him in that position and expect something more, you need to give him the linemates and tools to do so.

    I would expect 30 points from the 3rd line with Moose and Freddy. But, for Rossi he has steps

    1. Claim roster spot
    2. Produce in the role he's given
    3. Show everyone he should move up in the lineup
    4. Get the Opportunity
    5. Cash in on the Opportunity
    6. Don't give up the place

    We don't know the circumstances of when and how the opportunities come, but he's got to have the attitude that if he's elevated, he's not giving any reason for it to be given back. It's quite easy math, be better than the guy you're replacing in every aspect. And it's an easy stat, net goals. 

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    2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    For some reason Pronman still has Boldy on it, so he's #1.

    He goes by players Under-23, in order to not artificially lower a team like Ottawa, with Stutzle on the roster, or Anaheim, with Zegras, Jamie Drysdale, etc.

    We go by rookie status, only because we think it's more interesting to spotlight players who don't yet have big samples of playing time in the NHL. We've written many times about how good Boldy is, but not as many people know what's up with someone like Daemon Hunt.

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    1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I would expect 30 points from the 3rd line with Moose and Freddy. But, for Rossi he has steps

    1. Claim roster spot
    2. Produce in the role he's given
    3. Show everyone he should move up in the lineup
    4. Get the Opportunity
    5. Cash in on the Opportunity
    6. Don't give up the place

    We don't know the circumstances of when and how the opportunities come, but he's got to have the attitude that if he's elevated, he's not giving any reason for it to be given back. It's quite easy math, be better than the guy you're replacing in every aspect. And it's an easy stat, net goals. 

    So you put him on a reduced mins line and expect him to perform like he is playing on the first line? What you expect out of him is the same as Sam Steel, Freddy Hockey and Grizzle did this past year, all of whom got first line minutes. 

    It is one thing to expect him to get up to speed, a whole other to expect him to put up points like guys getting first line mins at various points in the season with one of the top players in the game(Kap). You're setting him up for failure before he even steps foot on the ice.

    It is easy math. Most coaches will tell you it takes two full years for guys to get up to speed in the NHL. 19 games does not equal 164 games.  It is super easy to sit back and expect a kid @ 21 years old to burst onto the scene as a superstar after losing a year to myocarditis. Expectations and reality are two different things. I want him to succeed too but our definitions for his success are wildly varied. 

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    Thegoosesarelooses has said several things I really think are big.

    Guerin and Evason seemingly unwilling to develope players and give prospects a shot, always opting for a gritty vet.

    You can't expect elite production from rossi if you put him on the 3rd line.

    Overall I like these debates much better because people in here(more specifically Tony's articles) seem to be more open and don't just go with the "in billy we trust" slogan for every differing opinion.

    And mnfaninnc I get what you said about the preseason and very valid points but why not try rossi out during the season and top competition? Is it worse than steel, jost, or freddy?

     

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