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    Tony Abbott

    How much would you pay someone to save your season? 

    Some version of that question had to be on the minds of many in the State of Hockey, and probably some high up in the Minnesota Wild's decision-making apparatus. When the Wild traded for Ryan Reaves on November 23 last year, they were floundering at an 8-8-2 record. 

    A big reason, according to Bill Guerin, was they didn't have what Reaves brought. "He's a big personality," he told NHL.com. "I think right now, that's something our team really needs... and I think he definitely supplies it."

    Many argue the proof is evident in what happened next. The Wild went on a 13-5 run once Reaves stepped into the lineup, and he became a staple on the fourth line for the rest of the season. Minnesota went from an 82-point pace to a second-straight 100-point season.

    So obviously, you bring the free agent back, right? Especially since it wouldn't cost much money. 

    But, no. Reaves wanted a three-year deal from the Wild (they reportedly offered just two), and he was right that he'd get it on the open market. He went to the Toronto Maple Leafs on Sunday for three years at just a $1.35 million cap hit.

    It's an easy decision to criticize, if you believe Reaves was the secret sauce that got the Wild back on track.

    Was that actually the case, though? It feels like the Wild not going three years on Reaves suggests not. Or at the very least, that it can't be duplicated over the long-term, or that what he brings won't outweigh his shortcomings in other areas until his age-39 season.

    This isn't to say bringing energy to the locker room is valueless. A long NHL season has inevitable doldrums and funks from which it's difficult to break out. It's easier to go to work at any job, not just a hockey rink, where the environment is enjoyable. It's a clear point of emphasis with Guerin and the front office, and has been from Day 1.

    Is Reaves the only player who could do that? No. And does a player need to bring other things to the table, as well. Absolutely.

    To be fair to Reaves, the renowned enforcer wasn't a drag on the Wild this past season. He provided just enough offense at even-strength to be worth 1.1 Standings Points Above Replacement, according to Evolving-Hockey. However, it was just the third time in his career that he gave that to a team. And even that's only if you don't count his below-replacement performance for the New York Rangers.

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    That kind of stuff just doesn't get better for a 37-year-old. And for as much as he brings to the locker room, the biggest reason to have Reaves on the team showed itself to not work last year.

    With the Wild having a smaller team, many have wanted Minnesota to employ an enforcer like Reaves for years. The Wild got a Reaves-type in Nic Deslauriers, which ended up working out poorly. Maybe it was just because they got the Shasta version of Reaves. This time Guerin traded for Coca-Cola Classic. Reaves' reputation for being a deterrent was so great that few in the NHL were even brave enough to take them on. The thinking was, if opponents didn't want to answer to Reaves, they'd be on their best behavior.

    That demonstrably did not work out.

    6-foot-7 giant Logan Stanley fell on 5-foot-9 Kirill Kaprizov, taking him out for weeks and reducing his effectiveness in the playoffs. Reaves' response? Nothing. He didn't deter Stanley from touching their superstar, and he didn't dish out any consequence for doing so.

    This continued in the playoffs, where Reaves was helpless to stop the Dallas Stars from taking liberties with the Wild throughout their six-game set. This includes Ryan Suter in particular hacking away at Kaprizov with such intensity that you'd have thought the Russian superstar said something truly awful, like that Suter should play on the second power play unit.

    The idea is that giant, physical players like Reaves are what get you through the playoffs. The Wild played the gritty identity that they wanted, with Reaves being a key part of that, and the result was the same: Out in the first round, in the same six games the skilled, high-flying Wild of 2021-22.

    And again, if he's not that deterrent for other teams, and definitely not that in the playoffs at age-36, how is that going to be better at 37, let alone 39?

    Good for Reaves getting what's his. $4.05 million is a nice payday for him. But be glad that Toronto is paying that, and not Guerin. The Wild have been bitten by signing aging veterans for more term than they should, and that will likely happen again. In this case, however, they made the right choice in walking away.

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    Really really glad they didn't resign him. You can say all you want his presence made a difference, but the reality is it didn't stop Suter from continuously crosschecking Kap, and I'm sure it did little to slow anyone else down when playing the Wild. Foligno and Hartman were the guys that went after the antagonizers.

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    Good article, pretty much sums up how I’m feeling with Reeves, would have loved him back, but not for that long at his age. Best of luck in Toronto.
     

     One question though, when we got Reeves, everyone talked about how everyone on the team “got a little taller with him around.” Does this mean that we’ll all be a little shorter now?

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    This was a really good line:

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     Maybe it was just because they got the Shasta version of Reaves. This time Guerin traded for Coca-Cola Classic.

    And the rest of the article was well written!

    Tony shows the charts, but the eye test must match the charts. From what I saw, specifically as the season rolled on, and into the playoffs, Reaves did slow down. He was unable to catch defenders in the corners, and unable to catch perpetrators taking advantage of our young stars. This will only grow as he ages. 

    The hope is that players like Hartman and Duhaime, specifically Duhaime, learned from Reaves about what he needed to do. The Wild appear to be losing 2 loud personalities in Reaves and Dumba. I'm not a big believer in the loud personalities thing, but we do need an enjoyable place to come to work. We do, however, happen to have 2 jokester goalies who can keep things light!

    Moving on to next season, my hope is that Hartman's right arm will be healthy enough to chuck the punches, and that Middleton will need to become more physical. If we're flipping Addison, we need a bigger NHL body back, and by bigger, I mean someone else in the Middleton class. 

    When Reaves fought people, it seemed orchestrated, like, right after a faceoff most of the time, where he didn't have to chase someone down. In this case, Reaves had to get an agreement to go. I don't know that we need that kind of fighter, I think we need the guy who can chase someone down when they take liberties with our younger, smaller guys and won't ask the opponent if he wants to go, they'll just force the issue. Someone like a Max Domi would seem to be more useful in that regards than Reaves would be. 

    Reaves is a true heavyweight, but he is a shell of himself right now. It used to be that Reaves could also deliver those heavy shifts where he'd have 3-4 solid hits creating carnage over the ice. That's the type of enforcer I think we need. Reaves is too slow to do that now, he can only deliver the hits if someone turns the wrong way. We just need a younger version of Reaves. Where do we find that?

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    11 hours ago, Secord Sucks said:

    Good article, pretty much sums up how I’m feeling with Reeves, would have loved him back, but not for that long at his age. Best of luck in Toronto.
     

     One question though, when we got Reeves, everyone talked about how everyone on the team “got a little taller with him around.” Does this mean that we’ll all be a little shorter now?

    The Wild wish they were a little bit taller, they wish they were a baller, they wish they had a girl who looked good, they would call her. 

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    Reaves has the unfortunate combination of declining speed and a fearsome reputation. No NHL player wants to fight Reaves anymore, because they know it won't end well. The loss of speed, prevents Reaves from forcing the issue, since the instigators can skate to the bench before Reaves can catch up to them.

    The Wild need a mixture of size and strength on every line. Part of the reason Logan Stanley got away with the hit on Kaprizov, is that the heavy weights were on the bench. If you want someone like Reaves to protect Kaprizov, they need to be on the ice at the same time as Kaprizov.

    Bill Guerin needs to acquire a big 6'3" center to play alongside Kaprizov and Zuccarello on the top line. Mix the big body with the smaller ones, just like Middleton-Spurgeon combo.

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    4 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    The Wild wish they were a little bit taller, they wish they were a baller, they wish they had a girl who looked good, they would call her. 

    "I wish I had a brand new car but so far I got this hatchback, and everywhere I go yo I gets laughed at."

    Are the Wild the hatchback or the Skee-Lo of playoff teams???

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    Thanks Tony, I'm happy for the thoroughness and hard truth of this article and happy Reevo is in the Eastern Conference. 

    BG just wouldn't let this go and it is a blessing in disguise. Time for someone in house to step up and take ownership of this team and be the driver.

    I've said this before, we don't need Reevo, fights, penalties, losing our key guys in the penalty box which also disrupts our offensive flow,  taking stupid retaliation cheap shots.

    We need to stand up, be physical and be smart enough to play the game and the fine line. Don't make the referees job easy.

    I watched the playoffs and shook my head everytime Jamie Benn got in our grill, pushed it just far enough or when he couldn't get caught. Same with Suter. Did I like it, NO! I had to respect their tact in how they continued to get away with it.

    Take note Wild!!!!

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    34 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

    I watched the playoffs and shook my head everytime Jamie Benn got in our grill, pushed it just far enough or when he couldn't get caught. Same with Suter. Did I like it, NO! I had to respect their tact in how they continued to get away with it.

    Take note Wild!!!!

    I get what you're saying, but when the officiating crew calls phantom penalties on our guys because of dives or other things, and then hand out tens because they're afraid of retribution, you have to start taking some of the finger pointing off of our guys and onto the stripes. 

    But, none of this will stop unless this team is willing to embarrass officials and require them to fill out extra paper work including having the NHL review their calls/games. 

    Yes, Benn was very good at what he did, and Suter had no problems laying the lumber. However, how did nobody catch Suter in the corner? How did nobody really nail Benn coming up the ice? It's not just fighting or after whistle shenanigans, we need to be taking the body hard in open ice, and with some of our players, we are simply not able to do that. Sometimes it really sucks having such a small team, but want them to play big.

    Also, Nosek is still on the board, a player Protec has recommended we go after.

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    2 hours ago, vonlonster67 said:

    Nothings gonna change with the officials....play the game within the game. 

    I do not believe this to be true. But, to change it, the organization will need to be willing to embarrass officials, and have a few meltdowns that gets somewhat negative attention nationally. 

    Referees fear losing control because they have more work and they get scrutinized. This is one reason why certain franchises get preferential treatment, such as Boston and Philly. Referees know that they won't put up with it. Caps get it too because Tom Wilson can come completely unglued if needed. 

    Foligno has already called out officials for their poor calls. We constantly have to watch the incompetence of the officials, specifically on our west coast swings. Meltdowns need to be both at home and on the road. And, you can get traction from an us against the world mentality. 

    As for teams taking runs at our players, Hartman's answer was probably the best of last season. His reverse hit on Ehlers, which was questionable, was the answer for Stanley falling over Kaprizov and ruining his season. And, it was a skilled player who did not make it back to start the playoffs. These things need to be done to change the narrative, and can be. I only hope we can get this done before '25 when the games will really matter for us.

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    Spot on Article.  1 player will not suddenly make a team scary.  The Wild need bigger players across the entire roster.  It is why I liked the draft this year in that we only had 1 player under 6 foot.  Gradually our entire roster needs to increase in size.

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    1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

    It is why I liked the draft this year in that we only had 1 player under 6 foot.  Gradually our entire roster needs to increase in size.

    I'm more concerned about having players >200 lbs. String beans don't help the cause. 6'3" 222 is definitely an upgrade!

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    At the lower cap hit and shorter contract, Maroon should definitely be a solid addition. I certainly enjoyed having Reaves on the team, particularly some interviews, but Dewar and Shaw made that line work and it seemed to lose all chemistry when Shaw went down.

    Dewar and Reaves had 1 point each in the Vegas rematch, following Shaw's injury, but neither posted another point the rest of the season or playoffs.

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    I see Maroon as a pretty decent upgrade over Reaves. Personally glad he wasn't re-signed. Great guy, good for some big hits but he was an anchor on that 4th line, behind plays, slow to get back etc. Not saying Maroon is a speedster but he's quicker and plays with the same grit/toughness with better puck skills.

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