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  • The Zach Bogosian Trade Is Bill Guerin Doubling Down On Grit


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    Tony Abbott

    The gritty, veteran-laden Minnesota Wild are stumbling to a 5-5-2 start this season. Alarmingly, despite the premium the team has put on keeping their hardest-working and grittiest players, the team hasn't consistently shown those qualities so far. They're giving up scoring chances much too easily, contributing to the second-highest goals against rate at 5-on-5 in the NHL.

    What's the solution? There's only one way: Bill Guerin had to get the Wild more grit. Enter Zach Bogosian, the 33-year-old, 6-foot-3 defenseman who stepped in after Minnesota flipped 23-year-old puck-mover Calen Addison to the San Jose Sharks.

    The top of Bogosian's Hockey Reference page checks a lot of boxes for what the Wild are looking for. They want more size on the blueline? Check. They want a veteran? Wow, look at this, he's got almost 800 games of experience. They want A Winner? Check this box out, it says "1x Cup Winner." You can't say it's not there!

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    "[Bogosian's] bigger. He's heavier," Guerin told the media over Zoom after the trade on Wednesday. "The experience, not just playing in the league, but winning and being on a championship team... I just think that's something we need to improve upon."

    Bogosian's time in Minnesota is going to be linked to the Addison trade, and that's probably fair. After all, the Wild moved Addison to free up the roster and salary cap space to bring Bogosian in. It didn't have to be this way. The Wild could have put Jon Merrill or Dakota Mermis on waivers and accomplished the same thing.

    It's not a great look to tout a bright future and give up on a skilled, productive young defenseman to bring in a much older, short-term fix. That's going to make bringing in Bogosian seem worse than it is.

    The thing is, bringing in Bogosian in the first place is a mistake, even when completely divorced from the Addison situation.

    It should be noted that the Wild's cap situation gives them limited options. Their moves have to be dollar-in, dollar-out, essentially, because of their being perilously close to the cap. Size on the blueline is always at a premium, and importing that quality on the cheap in November is going to be difficult.

    Even with the understanding that the baseline for talent will be lower for this kind of player, historically, bringing in Bogosian is not worth doing.

    A player with limitations offensively and in transition can still be useful if they are able to defend well and clear the front of the net. From Jake Middleton, to Merrill, to Dmitry Kulikov, all the way back to Nick Seeler and Nate Prosser, Wild fans are familiar with this type of player. You accept what they can't do because of their specialized skills, even if those aren't glorified.

    That's not the kind of player Bogosian is. He's big, yes. He'll put up hit and blocked shot numbers. But when it comes to playing effective defense? Limiting chances to the front of the net? Protecting his goalies? That's not who he is. It never has been.

    On the bottom of this chart from HockeyViz, we can see where Bogosian is most likely to give up shots. At both 5-on-5 (left) and the penalty kill (right), we see that he gives up high-danger chances at a significantly higher rate than the NHL average.

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    A fanbase that has seen Jonas Brodin and Jared Spurgeon shut down the middle for over a decade doesn't need anyone to explain that defending is much more about size. How well can you skate? How well can you anticipate what the offense is going to do? Bogosian's toolkit has never translated to strong defense at any stop in his career, whether for bottom-of-the-barrel teams like the Buffalo Sabres and Atlanta/Winnipeg ThrasherJets, or top contenders like the Lightning and Toronto Maple Leafs.

    We could point out that Bogosian has been a below-replacement level player in terms of Evolving-Hockey's Standings Points Above Replacement for eight of his 15 NHL seasons. That measure of overall impact is damning enough, but the real horror show is when you isolate his defensive impact.

    Bogosian's defense has only been above replacement level in two of his 15 seasons. The years in question were 2014-15, the year the Jets traded him to the Sabres, and 2017-18 when he played only 18 games for Buffalo. That's it. Every other year, he's been a worse defender than your average AHL call-up.

    His longevity and consistency mean his defense ranks fourth-worst in the Analytics Era (2007-08 to today). Only Keith Yandle, Jack Johnson, and Tony DeAngelo have a bigger negative career impact on that side of the puck. Bogosian's defense alone has cost his teams about 10 SPAR over his career, or a little more than a point per 82-game season.

    This is merely over his entire career. We haven't gotten into his 30-something years, where he's been in decline with Lightning. Here's how he's fared compared to the league average in the past three seasons:

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    It's hard to get a better environment for someone like Bogosian. He's spent the past three seasons playing sheltered minutes, including with both high-profile defensemen like Victor Hedman and Mikhail Sergachev and effective defenders in T.J. Brodie and Travis Dermott. All of his time in those three seasons were for true championship-caliber teams. His penalty kill responsibilities were even relatively light.

    And in an ideal assignment, Bogosian stumbled instead of shining. Over the past two seasons, he cost Tampa Bay about 4.3 points in the standings. His defense was atrocious, bleeding high-danger chances in both years, as seen below:

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    Again, this was on a top team with the luxury of loaded rosters capable of putting up 100 points in their sleep, and only needed to play him in a part-time role which exposed him to around 15 minutes a night with few special teams duties.

    The Wild are a point behind the Arizona Coyotes for the last Wild Card spot. They have a hole to dig out of, and their trust in the bottom of their defensive depth chart is non-existent. Minnesota will likely count on Bogosian to play crucial penalty kill minutes and harder defensive assignments. Even if Spurgeon's return keeps him around the 15-minute per night mark, without Addison, Minnesota is one injury away from having to play Bogosian as a top-four defenseman. 

    The Wild wanted to double down on the old-school identity they aspire to and play their typical hard-working, physical style. But Minnesota's identity isn't just about muscle and grit; it's about converting that into either scoring or preventing goals.

    Getting Bogosian to solve their defensive woes (barring an unforeseen improvement from a 33-year-old) fights counter to the identity that they're trying to preserve. Bogosian is being asked to do a job that, historically, he can not do. Guerin and the Wild depending on Bogosian to perform in a shutdown role feels more like throwing grit at their problems than it does a rational solution. 

    All data via Evolving-Hockey unless otherwise specified.

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    9 hours ago, Lovehockey said:

    Boldy was drafted by Falton and not BG. Rossi is ok but nothing exceptional. He actually is FIala replacement in the Guerin view but he is not even close. Everyone else (even Walstad) are unproven. So nothing makes any sense 

    My mistake on Boldy, thought he was Billy’s. 
     

    I don’t see Rossi as Billy’s view of a replacement Fiala, I’d say that’s more Yurov or Ohgren My whole point of the reply was to a poster that said we are drafting guys that only “fit Deans & Billy’s image” (talking about grinders) which is blatantly false. 

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    17 hours ago, Lovehockey said:

    Rossi is ok but nothing exceptional. He actually is FIala replacement in the Guerin view but he is not even close

    And how good was Fail his rookie year? Was he the same as the guy that signed with LA? Rossi may never be as good but comparing the two's performance this year is not realistic.

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    Once the cap hits are gone we can get a solid Fiala replacement  and a good center  im thinking maybe a Nylander if hes available depending what type of contract he signs before then . 

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    8 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    And how good was Fail his rookie year? Was he the same as the guy that signed with LA? Rossi may never be as good but comparing the two's performance this year is not realistic.

    Yes agree. But my point is different . With Kaprisov, Boldy, Ek and Fiala you had a 4 elite players. Add couple years of Zuccarello and you have 

    team that can win the games, be entertaining and compete. With this u could wait coupe of years till  salary cap situation improves. And u lucky with the others than u even could have some success. This could have happened but it did not. And yes this is just one player but he would make a huge difference. BG bet on a Rossi to be Fiala replacement (in terms of contract and BG attitude) but Rossi is not. And maybe he will (which I highly doubt) but Wild had what they needed. Everybody else (I am talking about offense) would be additions and subtractions, none of other players makes any significant difference. 

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    I don't view Rossi and Fiala to be the same type of player and not interchangeable. Fiala is considerably faster and a better puck handler at least for now. Rossi has shown a dramatic change from last year. Can he sustain and improve upon it remains to be seen. Had he not shown this level of improvement this year I think he would have been on the same BG list as Addison. 

    Kaprizov is showing signs of coming around but I think the league has seen enough that they are catching up to him. He really needs to work on hanging onto the puck though. I don't think he's a 100 point player this year. When they show him on the ice after a whistle he looks frustrated and unhappy. His entire hockey career has been on elite teams where he is the elite player. His NHL experience has not been that. He did not come over here to play for the Minnesota Wild he had no choice in that he came here to put the Stanley Cup on his resume. I don't see him sticking here regardless how much money BG can throw at him after the cap hell is over. It's not about the money for Kaprizov, never has been. But given the agent he has it will be contentious negotiations for sure either way.  The only way he stays is if this team is knocking on the door for a Cup and will that happen in two years? 

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    11 hours ago, Lovehockey said:

    Yes agree. But my point is different . With Kaprisov, Boldy, Ek and Fiala you had a 4 elite players. Add couple years of Zuccarello and you have 

    team that can win the games, be entertaining and compete. With this u could wait coupe of years till  salary cap situation improves. And u lucky with the others than u even could have some success. This could have happened but it did not. And yes this is just one player but he would make a huge difference. BG bet on a Rossi to be Fiala replacement (in terms of contract and BG attitude) but Rossi is not. And maybe he will (which I highly doubt) but Wild had what they needed. Everybody else (I am talking about offense) would be additions and subtractions, none of other players makes any significant difference. 

    You are assuming that Fiala wanted to stay in Minnesota. I do not believe he did. He wanted a place with brighter lights and media attention. We could not provide that. I am not sure Rossi was drafted to be a FiFi replacement and don't see how you can make that statement. They are different kinds of player at very different points of their careers. Rossi was drafted because he was a very high scoring center in juniors. Hopefully he will become a very high scoring center in the NHL for the Wild as his game matures.

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    13 hours ago, Lovehockey said:

    Yes agree. But my point is different . With Kaprisov, Boldy, Ek and Fiala you had a 4 elite players. Add couple years of Zuccarello and you have 

    team that can win the games, be entertaining and compete. With this u could wait coupe of years till  salary cap situation improves. And u lucky with the others than u even could have some success. This could have happened but it did not. And yes this is just one player but he would make a huge difference. BG bet on a Rossi to be Fiala replacement (in terms of contract and BG attitude) but Rossi is not. And maybe he will (which I highly doubt) but Wild had what they needed. Everybody else (I am talking about offense) would be additions and subtractions, none of other players makes any significant difference. 

    There's a lot here that we can agree on, but Fiala was not going to resign in MN. The demand for him and his RFA status was an impossible scenario. The Wild had a plan and got good assets back. That part is pretty much beyond argument because the alternative would have been to move players out and be committed to Fiala long-term at simply too high a cost.

     

    We all agree the cap crunch is costing us a high end forward, nobody loves that but the Wild have some talent. These roster players need to be better. #97 has already set the bar for himself. Foligno could chip in a goal more frequently. Johannssonn, and Duhaime are also kinda non-factors more than I think GMBG would like. The Wild are just going to need more production by committee.

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    8 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Had he not shown this level of improvement this year I think he would have been on the same BG list as Addison. 

    Yup. There just isn't endless waiting for players. You gotta move on at some point. As an asset or as a personal matter, the best thing is to give a player a new start. Better one year too early than one year too late.

    Since GMBG showed up, he's moved players out and none have gone on to be standouts elsewhere. They've all gone on to be just what we thought they were. Soucy being the worst loss in the expansion, and to a lesser degree Talbot has been good this season. Still, that was unique because his Wife talked-sh*t and the Wild had Wallstedt in the future plans.

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    Guerin knew Addison from his time with the Penguins and traded Zucker to get him. Therefore, Guerin should take full responsibility for Addison not finding success with the Wild. Maybe Evason didn`t always give Addison the right opportunities, but Guerin could have stepped in and demanded Evason do more to help out Addison.

    Either the Addison who played for the Wild was totally different from the Addisson who played in the Penguins system, or Guerin did a terrible job with talent evaluation. 

    Guerin builds the roster, so I place the blame on him, when the young talent fails to produce results. Many folks like to blame coach Evason, but I start with the GM.

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    21 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    You are assuming that Fiala wanted to stay in Minnesota. I do not believe he did. He wanted a place with brighter lights and media attention. We could not provide that. I am not sure Rossi was drafted to be a FiFi replacement and don't see how you can make that statement. They are different kinds of player at very different points of their careers. Rossi was drafted because he was a very high scoring center in juniors. Hopefully he will become a very high scoring center in the NHL for the Wild as his game matures.

    agree on both

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