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  • The Ryan Suter Buyout Is Officially A Failed Experiment


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    Tony Abbott

    It's easy to look in hindsight and say something didn't work out. As a writer who gives their opinions on the Minnesota Wild's goings-on, it's important to look at what I said at the moment before criticizing a decision after the fact.

    You saw the title, this piece is about the Ryan Suter buyout. And hey, at the time of the buyout (as well as the Zach Parise buyout that hit on the same day), I agreed. From an outside perspective, I was done with Suter. I was annoyed that he still had more power play minutes than anyone on the team aside from Kirill Kaprizov, Kevin Fiala, and Jared Spurgeon. I wasn't confident he'd be able to be particularly productive from ages 37 to 40. If the Wild were committing to cap pain with Parise anyway, well, you might as well rip off the band-aid and be done with it.

    Some of those things are right, I suppose. Suter has only one goal and seven points in 42 games for the Dallas Stars, well on track for his second-straight year of diminishing returns. There's also the unknown of what would've happened if he stayed in Minnesota. Would he have been on board with the team during a culture change? Might he have peaced out by now with his salary at just $1 million instead of the $3.5 million he's earning with Dallas? Who can say?

    It's entirely possible that the buyout was the right decision at the time. But overall, on paper? It's safe to say that the way things have played out since then is a net negative for the Wild. Even if the buyout was the correct move, everything since has set Minnesota back and been a gigantic contributor to their current predicament.

    Stomaching the cap hit of Suter's buyout was the biggest challenge the decision created. But there was also the question of replacing Suter. Say whatever else you want about Suter, he gave Minnesota 2.7 points in the standings (per Evolving-Hockey's Standings Points Above Replacement, or SPAR) in the COVID-shortened 56 games series. He even played all 56 games, one of only 103 players in the league to do so in a season where coronavirus outbreaks swept through NHL locker rooms.

    Someone had to fill that void, and the Wild chose Alex Goligoski. He signed as a free agent the summer of Suter's buyout for one year, $5 million. The Wild re-upped him mid-season for a two-year deal at a $2 million cap hit, part of a "gentleman's agreement" the two sides reportedly had. In effect, we're talking about a three-year, $9 million contract split into two terms, even if the last two years were optional and ill-advised at the time.

    How has it worked out? If we view Goligoski's deal as a three-year deal, the Wild have received more value in terms of SPAR than they'd have with Suter. Over that time, Goligoski had 3.6 SPAR and was 93rd among NHL defensemen. We're talking about a No. 4 defenseman in terms of value, around Rasmus Ristolainen, Ryan Graves, or Torey Krug's level.

    Meanwhile, Suter has only offered Dallas 2.7 SPAR in three years while playing in nearly every game. To put it in a kind of hilarious way, Brock Faber has been equally as valuable as Suter in that time (2.6 SPAR) while playing in 161 fewer games. Sitting at 113th in SPAR among defensemen and playing nearly 20 minutes per night, Suter's playing like a borderline 4th/5th defenseman playing top-four minutes, arguably too many.

    Wild fans and media aren't watching Suter nightly. But they're very familiar with Goligoski, and this makes very little sense. Goligoski was the Wild's "Break Glass In Case of Emergency" defenseman last year, only drawing into about half the games. He's played a lot more on a thinner blue line this season. That has exposed him pretty regularly, to the point where John Hynes healthy-scratched him the second Jonas Brodin's return to the lineup allowed Hynes to do so. So what gives?

    You're not crazy for your confusion. What happened is that while both Goligoski and Suter were both entering the back half of their 30s with their new teams (Goligoski signed in his age-36 season, Suter in his age-37), their declines are not the same.

    Let's break down their performances year by year:

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    And there it is. Goligoski was much better than Suter in 2021-22. Since then, Suter has been steadily reliable, while Goligoski has been worse than replacement level. High highs and a season-and-a-half-long low. 

    There's a philosophical question to be pondered here. Would you rather have the high peak or steady, more meager returns? In a vacuum, there are arguments for both sides. But what isn't arguable is that Goligoski has not been better than Suter for most of these contracts, and he hasn't been cheaper for the entirety of it.

    Goligoski's decline is coming when the Suter/Parise buyouts have put the maximum squeeze on the Wild's financial flexibility. If we look at the combined cost for the two, we'll see that going with Goligoski over Suter is more expensive than Suter's would-be $7.54 million cap hit.

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    Obviously, saving around $17K and getting five points of SPAR in Year 1 looks great, and it was. But everything since? The Wild paid about a million dollars more than they had to last season at the cost of about three points in the standings. It's nearly two million for the difference of one point this year. The one point might not matter so much, considering it'd only bring Minnesota from eight points down from a playoff spot to seven.

    But that $2 million of flexibility? Yeah, that'd have helped quite a bit. At the very least, the Wild could better manage their injury/call-up situations. With the way Minnesota tends to get value from low-cost pick-ups, they could easily have put that money to better use.

    Not to mention, there are compounding costs related to Suter leaving. If the Wild had kept Suter, would they have needed to acquire Jake Middleton at the trade deadline to play in their top two defensive pairs? Probably not. Even if they did, they wouldn't have had to re-sign him to a three-year, $2.45 million contract, which has returned just 0.4 SPAR through 113 games. 

    Then there was the playoffs last year. Sure, the Stars could have had someone else punish Kaprizov with cross-checks to the back last spring. But it wasn't someone else. It was the 6-foot-1, 205 lbs., country-strong Suter laying his lumber into Kaprizov's spine, and for whom Ryan Reaves' retributive enforcer hits simply bounced off afterward.

    Dallas also took the Vegas Golden Knights to Game 6 of the Western Conference Final, two games away from a Stanley Cup appearance. It's harder to say that the Wild definitively couldn't win with Suter when he goes on a deep playoff run three years later. 

    Still, it's hard to come in on Bill Guerin and the Wild's side when he bought Suter out, only to decry it three years after the fact when we can look back and see what happened. There's also the butterfly effect of what happens if Suter stays. Can Dean Evason feel empowered to run his team the way he wants, to the tune of two straight 100-point seasons, while also keeping Suter from being a malcontent or retiring, unleashing even heavier cap penalties? We can't know, and a worst-case scenario is still plausible.

    Even if we can't criticize the initial decision, it certainly seems like they botched the situation by deciding to replace Suter with Goligoski and then extend him for two seasons in his late-30s. Replacing Suter while still having Suter on the books was always going to be difficult, and we're seeing the downsides of it now. We may not know how things would have played out differently. But over this season and last, the Wild are neither cheaper nor better for having chosen their path through Suter's buyout.

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    12 hours ago, Stillwaitingforacuprun said:

    Been saying this from the beginning...Love, hate, doesn't matter...you can't in any fricken way buy out 2 major contracts the same year...especially to a teams fans who for 20+ years not counting the North Stars havent seen a parade yet... We are no closer to winning anything than we were in 2000... For all you guys who say we're better off without Suter...how about now?

    Still better off, dude was a known problem in the locker room. Cut out the cancer, deal with the recovery and go from there. This year better? No, next? Probably not. Previous years? Id say yes. Future? I am guessing yes but I can't read the future yet. One thing we have learned about GMBG is that he wants certainty over uncertainty, hence the buy outs, then you know EXACTLY what you are dealing with over crossing fingers and hoping for the best. Current situation is in no way the worst case scenario. 

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    2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    I think it’s WAY too early to say that. I could see him turning out to be more like a 4th dman vs a number 1 dman

    This is fair, but I still think it was Suter's replacement. He'll play a little differently, but I'd expect him to be a minute eater and very good at +/-. I think he'll be Faber's partner.

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    3 hours ago, Dean said:

        I disagree that we’ve built up this prospect pool with higher ceilings than we’ve ever had. Fletcher drafted the same 20tg overalls and had a few better picks than 20. Just like bill. Fletchers guys are still on team an in nhl. Maybe bill has better eye for talent. To early to tell but the prospects are of the same ceilings as Fletcher had.  Like Lou Naane was saying. A 20 th overall is no where near the level Of a top 5. You need high end talent. You don’t get that from 20 th overall. Ek is like 15 th round pick and he’s not close to a # 1 like Mcdavid,.  Rossi is a 9 th. Not even close to Hughes a #1 pick. Lambos was around 15 th he’s not a Quinn Hughes. 

        My point is we should have been collecting picks and prospects by selling at deadline past few years and getting more bites at apple. Then come out of buyouts with money and prospects. Now we’re coming out with more 20 th overalls and no money. . Stupid in my opinion. 

    Regarding picks around ~20th:

    Yurov was projected much higher than he was drafted and guess where we drafted him.  Sometimes you get gems at ~20th.  Will they be as good as other top 5 picks from their drafts, maybe/maybe not, but all indications right now suggest that the odds are good.

    Remember too that both Yurov and Wallstedt were drafted at around 20th.  I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

    Also, your comparisons are McDavid and Hughes.  Those kinds of players aren't even available every year.

    Regarding collecting picks for more chances:

    We picked 5 first rounders in the last 3 years and acquired first-round caliber talent in Faber, so I have no clue what you are getting at.

    I'd really like to know how you expect we stockpile top picks without giving up the core of our future.  If there is a McDavid or Hughes available, those picks aren't going to be given up without surrendering your elite players and future 1sts and probably prospects too.  And that's for a player that SHOULD do well.  Bedard can do amazing things, but he is still small.  He could be a hit away from broken bones every year in the NHL.  Or maybe the lottery doesn't work out and we get 4th and end up with another Benoit Pouliot.

    I agree we need to have more chances.  That's exactly how you draft at ~20th and build a good, strong roster.  But that's also exactly what we've been doing to build the prospect pool we have.

     

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    36 minutes ago, raithis said:

    Yurov and Wallstedt were drafted at around 20th.  I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

    What are you basing this on aside from random beat writer and Wild Org. hype?

    I get that Wally has put up decent performances in AHL, but his debut was a nightmare.  And I'm not convinced Yurov is even skating a regular shift in Siberia.  

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    39 minutes ago, raithis said:

    We picked 5 first rounders in the last 3 years and acquired first-round caliber talent in Faber, so I have no clue what you are getting at.

    Other Wild First Round Picks: 

    AJ "Can't stop the" Thielen

    Benoit "Balls" Puliout

    James "Big Feet" Sheppard

    Colton Gillies

    Tyler "It's not a" Cuma

    Zack "Conoco" Phillips

    Luke "Kunin" Kunin

    Filip "WTF" Johannsssen

     

     

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    On 1/19/2024 at 9:32 AM, B1GKappa97 said:

    Yeah I think if Lambos was going to live up to his pre-COVID hype of a top-10 talent pick, he would've shown it by now. Instead its been Hunt who's gotten the call up ahead of him, and that guy was a 3rd round selection. 

    Hunt has more points in the AHL than Lambos does, despite playing in half the games. 

    I could be wrong but I thought Hunt was a year older so that’s somewhat understandable.

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    21 hours ago, raithis said:

    Sometimes you get gems at ~20th.  Will they be as good as other top 5 picks from their drafts, maybe/maybe not

    You very rarely get those gems at 20.

    at least not game breaking talent

    21 hours ago, raithis said:

    I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

    that’s purely speculation at this point. Nobody knows exactly what type of nhl players they are going to be. Better than a lot of top 5 picks?? 

    the last 20-25 years every Stanley cup winning team besides 2-3 had a top pick between 1-6.

    The chances of you winning a cup without a Crosby, Malkin, Hedman, Fleury, Kane Toews, Doughty are extremely unlikely 

    you need those players to win and you have the best chances of getting them in the very early first round.

    if you have exceptional drafting and are able to pick high caliber players in the later rounds like St.Louis, Boston, Tampa then you can get away with more but the Wild probably have average or slightly above Average drafting which doesn’t cut it.

    This team needs a serious tank for a few years to truly make a legitimate push in the playoffs.

    it’s crazy to me when ppl think this team has a chance picking in the middle of the 1st round.

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    On 1/18/2024 at 9:45 PM, FredJohnson said:

    Thus the "GMRS" moniker. Dude was/is a doosh.

    I love all the kool-aid drinkers saying he's a cancer in the locker room..I still haven't heard anybody from the locker room verify that...Just some stoolie from "the Wild"... or talking heads who get their "info" from said spokesperson from the Wild... And now look at all the options for the team the next 2 years without cash....You can point the finger at Suter....or Drunk Billy G...either way ...mediocrity rules the day..and we're no closer to a parade..

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