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  • Charlie Stramel Deserves Another Shot


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    Tony Abbott

     

    Charlie Stramel was supposed to hit the reset button this season. Coach Tony Granato coached the Wisconsin Badgers to one of their worst seasons in recent memory and put pressure on 18-year-old Stramel immediately as a top-line center. Stramel only mustered five goals and 12 points in 33 games in his freshman season.

    Everything about the following summer screamed fresh start. The Minnesota Wild still liked his physical toolkit -- namely, his 6-foot-3, 223 lbs. frame and his skating -- enough to take him with the 21st pick in the 2023 NHL Draft. Out went Granato, and in came Minnesota State Mankato coach Mike Hastings, with some of his old players following. The change should have allowed Stramel to put his freshman season behind him and spend his sophomore year on a more talented, structured team.

    Wisconsin got more talented and structured, finishing second in the Big Ten standings and making the NCAA tournament. But that came at a price, at least for Stramel. Hastings imported three of Wisconsin's top five forwards in scoring -- David Silye (age 25), Simon Tassy (23), and Christian Fitzgerald (21) -- from Mankato. Hockey fans know that NHL coaches like to play their guys, players they know, like, and are familiar with. Hastings was no exception, and in all fairness to him, look at the results. 

    It didn't go well for Stramel, though. He suffered an early injury, which seemed to put him behind the 8-ball, and he never truly caught up. All of that conspired to keep him in fourth-line minutes all season, and he scored only three goals and eight points in 34 games.

    Nobody can spin having two straight lost seasons into being a good thing. It's also true that Stramel was perceived as a lower-ceiling player, at least compared to an immensely skilled Gabriel Perreault, who went off the board two picks later and has 18 goals and 57 points for the Frozen Four-bound Boston College Eagles. If anyone says that the New York Rangers look better for picking Perreault than the Wild for picking Stramel, that's pretty indisputable right now.

    All that can be true. Even so, the vitriol toward the pick on draft day was too far, and it's only ratcheted up in intensity as Stramel muddled through a season of fourth-line duty. From the jump, it's been a race to be the first (and loudest) to call Stramel a bust. There is no word yet on what the prize the NHL is offering for the winner will be.

    If we want to compare hit rates, though, the Minnesota Wild's scouting staff has a much stronger track record than the Fans Who Cried "Bust!" You only need to look to last year to find a high-profile miss, when people practically left Marco Rossi for dead after he scored one point in 19 games. Now, he's in the running to finish as a Calder Trophy finalist after a 20-goal season.

    We can do more. The same doubts were cast over Matt Boldy after he struggled through a disaster in the first half of his Draft+1 year at Boston College. Boldy scored one goal and three points in his first 15 games after the Wild made him the No. 12 overall pick in the 2019 Draft. Like Stramel, Boldy even got snubbed from Team USA's World Junior camp. Once Boldy found a role that suited him, the rest was history.

    And, of course, there's the Ur example of the Wild taking Joel Eriksson Ek over Burnsville native Brock Boeser in 2015. Boeser is a great player, cracking the 30-goal mark for the first time this season, with a good shot at putting up 40 goals for the Vancouver Canucks this year. You'll probably die wandering the wilderness before you find a Wild fan who would go back in time and reverse that decision.

    Giving the Wild fan base some credit, let's look at Danila Yurov, the guy Minnesota didn't declare a bust despite having a fairly similar journey to Stramel. When the Wild drafted Yurov at 24th overall in 2022, he was coming off a season in which he scored zero points in 40 KHL games (regular season and playoffs). The following year, he only scored 12 in 70 KHL contests.

    It wouldn't have been difficult to write him off, but Minnesota prospect watchers intuitively understood that Yurov's role in the KHL was not suited to what he did best. He neither got the ice time nor on-ice opportunities a prospect needs to flourish in any league. Once he did, he went out and bested the KHL points record for a 20-year-old player.

    If Wild fans can extend that kind of grace to a dude from Chelyabinsk, why can't they do the same for a player who grew up in Rosemount? The last time he played for a program that wasn't completely terrible and gave him more than fourth-line minutes was two years ago with the US Development Program. He scored 15 points (7 goals) in 16 USHL games and 22 points (10 goals) in 26 games with the Under-18 USA team, then 2 goals and 5 points in 6 games at the Under-18 World Juniors. Pretty good!

    Fans should remember that whether they liked the pick or not, there were good reasons for the Wild to take Stramel in the first round. He has a rare combination of size and skating ability, which is valuable for a team short on size for quite some time. Targeting size in the draft is probably a better way to get bigger than overpaying for free agents or trading Calder-contending rookies because they're 5'9".

    They should also remember that a 19-year-old kid has almost no say in any of this. A player can control what they do on the ice but can't pick where they get drafted. They can't stop their teams from changing coaches and bringing an influx of older, more experienced top-six players. They can't call their own number to boost their ice time.

    None of this is to say that Stramel will be a star, go down as Minnesota's best possible use of that No. 21 pick, or even have a half-decent NHL career. That's uncertain, as it is with most hockey players drafted in their 20s. Sometimes, teams get "A GUY" in Eriksson Ek. But sometimes they get "a guy" like Jack Roslovic, and sometimes you get a guy who bounces around and never quite sticks like Colin White. Anyone who can identify exactly who will become what on Draft Day, or even one or two years past it, is probably lying to you.

    We don't know where Stramel will end up next year, but the Wild would be doing a disservice to their top pick by not encouraging him to find some kind of fresh start. Whether that's getting on the same page as Hastings in Wisconsin, hitting the transfer portal to change schools, or switching to Major Junior, something's gotta happen because the status quo isn't working.

    At some point, if things do not work out for Stramel, he will be the common denominator in a string of lost seasons. But at the very least, he deserves to get a shot in a situation that isn't actively undermining him before we make that decision. If he doesn't work out in five years, there will be plenty of time to re-litigate the 2023 draft. In the meantime, it just feels like a less soul-crushing path to hope he finds a place where he can click rather than pronounce within nine months of draft day. 

     

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    13 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

    Hopefully stramel can turn it around but I don't ever see him being a top 6 player. 

    Yeah, I think Jack McBain was another guy who wasn't overly productive his first 2 years of college, but made the NHL. McBain is nearing a 30 point scorer(per 80 games) on lower lines. If Stramel can be that type of player in 12.5 minutes per game, that could be useful--an upgrade from Duhaime.

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    McBain is nearing a 30 point scorer(per 80 games) on lower lines. If Stramel can be that type of player in 12.5 minutes per game,

    Stramel does not need to become a 1C for the pick to not be a failure.  If he's a serviceable, big bodied, PHYSICAL bottom six C that's good enough

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    45 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Stramel does not need to become a 1C for the pick to not be a failure.  If he's a serviceable, big bodied, PHYSICAL bottom six C that's good enough

    Oh, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that's where my expectations are set for a somewhat optimal outcome compared to where he is at now.  A McBain or Greenway outcome is not 100% bust even if the pick was poorly managed.

    Someone who never plays a full NHL season is a full bust, but perhaps he's someone who is maybe upgrading line 4 around age 24, possibly elevating to line 3 in his prime.

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    22 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    If we spent a 1st on Brandon Duhaime or Sturm Brackett should be walked out in hand cuffs

    It wasn't on Brackett that Guerin demanded we draft for need not best available. The fact Gabe Perreault is tearing it up and looks to be a top six goal scorer is an inditement on drafting for need altogether. 

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    16 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    What is the expectation for a mid first round draft pick? Who knows. 

    Well at this point of his career you would hope he could crack the top 6. Best of luck to him though.

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    1 hour ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    It wasn't on Brackett that Guerin demanded we draft for need not best available. The fact Gabe Perreault is tearing it up and looks to be a top six goal scorer is an inditement on drafting for need altogether. 

    Fair point.  I don't have a problem with drafting for size as this team is full of tiny dancers who cannot compete in the playoffs.  The Wild roster and pipeline is full of undersized skill guys.

    I do have a problem if Stramel was the wrong big body to draft while others drafted after him are playing roles on their respective NHL teams.  Time will tell and google searches of 2023's draft will provide the justification/ammunition 

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    Having watched Brady Tkachuk bully the Wild last night, I'd say the Wild need to draft for toughness and being hard to play against. 

    1 hour ago, Tony Abbott said:

    His GM overruled him. He did not let that happen again the next year when Benning preferred Cody Glass over Elias Pettersson. 

    For us poor folk who don't spend moolah on Athletic, does that writer "suggest" that Benning picked a Euro over Tkachuk or has Brackett said that himself? 

    Not trying to be a Brackett hater. I just have questions and I always hear these draft guys are gurus.

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    Tage Thompson took time to become a big scorer. Similar to Stramel is some ways but it was seven years from USNTDP til he became a potent NHL goal-scorer. Ek too wasn't great immediately. Rossi also seems to have figured it out. Stramel doesn't need to be a 19 year old NHL superstar. I think he should just finish his time out at WI. Earn a bigger role. Show more scoring. Just keep getting better. He doesn't need to play for the Wild for a few years at least. If he somehow makes the Wild sooner, that's great but the Wild aren't desperate or anything. 

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    49 minutes ago, Protec said:

    I think he should just finish his time out at WI.

    He's already entered the transfer portal so will not be continuing at Wisconsin.

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    29 minutes ago, viper3119 said:

    He's already entered the transfer portal so will not be continuing at Wisconsin.

    What's that mean then, he's like a college free agent? 😄

    I really don't know. I've focused all my spare time ragging on NoJo the past couple weeks.

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    It’s looking like such a horrible draft pick and no amount of rationalizing things changes that.

    It doesn’t matter that they may have made good picks in the past, or the second or third rounder look like potential great picks.

    Considering some of the guys left on the board there when they took Stramel, it’s looking like a huge missed opportunity.  That is what is regardless of the nonstop rationalization of this pick.

    That said, it can still turn around.  Can’t be written off completely yet.

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    26 minutes ago, Protec said:

    What's that mean then, he's like a college free agent? 😄

    Basically. He could technically still withdraw from the transfer portal to stay at WI, but chances are high that he will join another program.

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    1 hour ago, Protec said:

    Tage Thompson took time to become a big scorer.

    At the NHL level, yes. In both years of college, he scored nearly a point per game.

    • Tage Thompson had 14 goals and 18 assists as a freshman in 36 games.
    • Stramel has 8 goals and 12 assists in 67 games through 2 seasons.

    I don't think the concern would be high if Stramel was anywhere near Tage Thompson's college production.

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    True but he spent awhile in the AHL and was traded out of STL. 

    Not saying one bit that I like Brackett picks where he gets em and how he's doing it but Stramel can't be toast immediately. It is true though that the Wild had a dud in 2018 by guru Paul Fenton so whenever I hear this guru crud, I begin to doubt bigly.

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    On 4/2/2024 at 11:01 AM, Pewterschmidt said:

    If we spent a 1st on Brandon Duhaime or Sturm Brackett should be walked out in hand cuffs

    Lol. Look at any draft. There are plenty of first round guys that don't make the NHL. Are you one of those delusional fans that expects every pick, every year to be the best value in the draft. And that the Wild roster should have the biggest, fastest and most talented at every position and everyone of them should be the MVP? 😂😂😂

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    13 hours ago, Patrick said:

    Lol. Look at any draft. There are plenty of first round guys that don't make the NHL. Are you one of those delusional fans that expects every pick, every year to be the best value in the draft. And that the Wild roster should have the biggest, fastest and most talented at every position and everyone of them should be the MVP? 😂😂😂

    It's early and things change but it's hard to argue that Perreault looks like he was the best available guy. You can find big athletic bottom six guys outside the 1st round top 20.

    The argument I've made before with Tkachuk being a Brackett miss has been partially debunked blaming Benning. Well then, how do we look at Brackett's other ideas? Many of us have questioned the Rossi pick. Not because he isn't a talented, hard-working player, but because of the overall context. What did the Wild need then, who was available? Why did so many teams pass on Rossi? Does anyone think that was an accident? Yurov looks way better than Ohgren and much less injured. We'll have to see what happens obviously, but MN needs results. They don't need PR feel good stories or guruisms. 

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    15 hours ago, Patrick said:

    Lol. Look at any draft. There are plenty of first round guys that don't make the NHL. Are you one of those delusional fans that expects every pick, every year to be the best value in the draft. And that the Wild roster should have the biggest, fastest and most talented at every position and everyone of them should be the MVP? 😂😂😂

    The problem is he has underperformed for the last 2 years. Maybe the transfer can get him going, but to this point IF it's a miss it looks like it could be a yuge miss. Like a Filip Johanssen type of miss. Not good and really not acceptable, those guys job is to detect talent, you can't have those big misses early in the draft.

    That said, the jury is still out.

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    That's why I wonder what the big picture strategy is for Brackett? Swing for the fences 1st round? If Heidt had been the 1st overall it might have looked like a reach then, but would be all good now. The fact MN got him in the 3rd, shouldn't excuse the Wild's misuse of a 1st if that is indeed the conclusion. It's just such a weird call and brings the thought-process into question because does a big athletic guy who performs well at the combine outweigh the obvious scoring talent that was evident in Perreault? Kinda how the Rossi OHL season outweighed the need at the time for a center like Lundell to take the torch from Koivu. Now that Lundell looks like an Ek on a Cup Final team, it's fair to ask what does Brackett do? Does being a guru mean you  confuse and misdirect reason to later arrive at the draft pick jamboree by surprise to relieve all doubts???

    The draft is one of the most interesting events because you just never know til you know. Some guys will be obvious impact players. Others who emerge as great NHLers come out of nowhere. MN has had some good fortune in the draft but it sure has had some misses.

     

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    For example, had Brackett selected Lundell. He has 108 points in his first three seasons in 210 games for FL. Good size and skating. Plays center. Like the player MN needed. Like Ek in many ways but Ek took 4 seasons to get to 210 games and he had 66 points.

    Rossi had a good year now this season a couple years after Lundell. There's plenty of reason to be happy for Rossi, but the comparisons, evaluations, stats, and clock were both equal for MN and Florida on draft day 2020.

    When I look at Brackett's record, he has some good ones, and some questionable ones. I hate to say it, but the Stramel pick has a lot of cope & rationalization just like the P. Johhannsson pick in 2018. Let's hope Stramel can get things going just because it sucks to be bogged down with a team where the coach doesn't wanna give you an important role. I'm gonna start with that, but it's pretty hard to watch the guys MN doesn't draft prove it and make it before our guys. Happens a lot...

     

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    22 minutes ago, Protec said:

    For example, had Brackett selected Lundell. He has 108 points in his first three seasons in 210 games for FL. Good size and skating. Plays center. Like the player MN needed. Like Ek in many ways but Ek took 4 seasons to get to 210 games and he had 66 points.

    Rossi had a good year now this season a couple years after Lundell. There's plenty of reason to be happy for Rossi, but the comparisons, evaluations, stats, and clock were both equal for MN and Florida on draft day 2020.

    When I look at Brackett's record, he has some good ones, and some questionable ones. I hate to say it, but the Stramel pick has a lot of cope & rationalization just like the P. Johhannsson pick in 2018. Let's hope Stramel can get things going just because it sucks to be bogged down with a team where the coach doesn't wanna give you an important role. I'm gonna start with that, but it's pretty hard to watch the guys MN doesn't draft prove it and make it before our guys. Happens a lot...

     

    It does need to be mentioned that Rossi did have a serious battle with Covid that in all likelihood slowed his progress.

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    35 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    It does need to be mentioned that Rossi did have a serious battle with Covid that in all likelihood slowed his progress.

    That's true. At the same time, results are what counts in pro-hockey. Had Rossi not fallen and MN stuck with the plan to replace Koivu some other fanbase could discuss Rossi's COVID/Jab, whatever gave him the heart problem.

    I like Rossi on a team that adds a player to their already complete core. I'm not sure Rossi is the future 1C top-six core guy. Ek is, and Lundell looks like he could be. It's just an interesting debate because we're always ripping on Guerin having "his" guys. What about us? Let's look in the mirror. Who are our guys or not. Should we be open to changes on the roster? There's a history of Guerin moves that aren't well-received initially that turn out well. Shouldn't we consider that a trade could go well. Is is 100% sure that a Rossi trade will be a total goof?

    Brodin, Ek, Faber, Kaprizov, Boldy, and soon hopefully Chisholm/Yurov/Wally are your core guys IMO that you've got in the long-term plans..

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    3 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    The problem is he has underperformed for the last 2 years. Maybe the transfer can get him going, but to this point IF it's a miss it looks like it could be a yuge miss. Like a Filip Johanssen type of miss. Not good and really not acceptable, those guys job is to detect talent, you can't have those big misses early in the draft.

    That said, the jury is still out.

    ^^^^^What he said

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    3 hours ago, Protec said:

     

    There's a history of Guerin moves that aren't well-received initially that turn out well. Shouldn't we consider that a trade could go well. Is is 100% sure that a Rossi trade will be a total goof?

    Brodin, Ek, Faber, Kaprizov, Boldy, and soon hopefully Chisholm/Yurov/Wally are your core guys IMO that you've got in the long-term plans..

    Just for the record my main beef with Guerin is his anger (T Bot) and, no way to sugarcoat it, his stupidity (Running Fiala down publicly while he was actively trying to trade him). He's had results but if he keeps trading players out of anger and/or keeps running his mouth about players he's trying to get rid of the success percentage will keep dropping.

    And yes he could pull off a good trade for Rossi, but that's harder to do when you're the one shopping a player and trying to find a partner, good GM's will take advantage of that.

    A lot of talk that Rossi is to small. I personally think he will be better than Boldy. Boldy is bigger but he's soft. He doesn't lay anyone out or put the big hit on anyone. JMO.

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    8 hours ago, Protec said:

    Yurov looks way better than Ohgren and much less injured.

    The team said after the draft that they took a calculated gamble on taking Ohgren before Yurov. The belief was that Yurov would carry the Russian prospect scare and would still be available for the Wild if they took Ohgren first. They wanted both and had Yurov rated well ahead of Ohgren but gambled abnd won.

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