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  • Is Marco Rossi Pushing Brock Faber In the Calder Trophy Race?


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    Tony Abbott

    Brock Faber might be finding out that early narratives make breaking into the Calder Trophy discussion difficult. Entering the season, people anointed Connor Bedard as the NHL's next great player. By scoring 21 goals and 54 points on a truly dreadful Chicago Blackhawks team, he's maintained his status as a favorite for the NHL's top rookie honors.

    That's despite Faber's strong push. He immediately had strong defensive play and slowly gained offense to his repertoire as the season wore on. He's second among rookies with 40 points in 71 games and has been a positive for Minnesota at 5-on-5 goal-scoring despite a 25-minute-per-night workload.

    Faber's strong start forced a Calder Trophy race showdown with Bedard. That early, loud push elevated Faber to the national Calder discussion. But now another deserving Wild rookie is boxed out of the Calder discussion. In fact, you might say...

    Tired: Brock Faber vs. Connor Bedard

    Wired: Brock Faber vs. Marco Rossi

    If Faber can mount a serious challenge to Bedard, why not Marco Rossi? The 2020 first-round pick realized his NHL potential this season, scoring his 19th and 20th goals on Saturday. Those two crucial goals helped the Wild get to overtime in a must-win game against the St. Louis Blues.

    Those two goals put him within one of Bedard for the rookie lead. His 149 shots on goal and 20.04 expected goals are also second to only Bedard among rookies. After starting the season as a decided underdog in a loaded rookie class that included star prospects Bedard, Logan Cooley, Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson, and more, he's got a case for being the second-best rookie forward.

    Are either rookie's season enough to displace Bedard on top of the heap? Probably not. But it's worth asking which Wild rookie is more deserving of dethroning the preseason favorite.

    The Case For Brock Faber

    Faber's place in the national conversation makes him the de facto favorite, with good reason. With 40 points already under his belt, Faber is on pace to score 46 as a rookie. That'd already be tied for seventh-most by a rookie defenseman in the salary cap era.

    That's already rarified air, and it can get better. A hot streak could push him to 50 points, putting him in the same category as Cale Makar, Quinn Hughes, and Moritz Seider

    There is more to Faber's game than mere points, though. Faber has had an impact on goal-scoring on both ends of the ice at even-strength. Evolving-Hockey's Standings Points Above Replacement model rates his offensive impact as 26th in the NHL and his defense as 34th. It's no surprise that Faber's overall SPAR is 24th among defensemen.

    Not rookie defensemen; he's first by a mile there. All defensemen. Expanding that to the rookie field, only Tyson Foerster has the edge on Faber's 3.4 SPAR.

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    Faber's defensive numbers have stagnated a touch as the season has gone on. Still, he's held up well, considering the insane workload he's taken on after extended injuries to Jared Spurgeon and Jonas Brodin. Only Rasmus Dahlin, Drew Doughty, John Carlson, and Mark Matheson have logged more minutes than Faber this season. Minnesota has asked so much from the rookie, and he's been everything they needed.

    The Case For Marco Rossi

    Given that Rossi is a forward and Faber is a defenseman, you might think that Rossi's 37 points to Faber's 40 should seal the deal for Faber as the winner. But a deeper look into Rossi's numbers reveals that it isn't so straightforward.

    If you value the 5-on-5 part of the game, Rossi stands with or above any other rookie. Rossi's 17 goals at 5-on-5 lead all rookies, and his 31 points are exactly tied with Bedard. It gets even more impressive when you realize his 17 goals are tied for 24th in the NHL. He has as many 5-on-5 goals as Kirill Kaprizov, J.T. Miller, and Carter Verhaeghe. That isn't a fluke, either. Rossi comes by his goals honestly, getting to the net with regularity. His 13.73 expected goals at 5-on-5 are only behind Bedard in this year's rookie class.

    And if the case for Faber over Bedard hinges on Faber's superior two-way play, Rossi might have an even better case than Faber. When Rossi is on the ice at 5-on-5, Minnesota scores 55.8% of the goals and controls 54.2% of the expected goals share. Those marks certainly best Bedard, who is underwater in both categories, albeit for a historically awful team, and even Faber (51.3% of the goal share, 52.8% of the expected goal share). 

    While he doesn't have the kind of workload a top defenseman like Faber is getting, the Wild are hardly sheltering Rossi. Only Kaprizov has logged more 5-on-5 ice time among Wild forwards, and Rossi's time on ice at 5-on-5 (968 minutes) is 42nd among all forwards. That's nearly 1000 minutes of Minnesota scoring 56% of their goals. 

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    His SPAR takes a knock from both his poor power play performance (relegated mostly to the second unit) and his linemates' dreadful shooting. Rossi has scored 17 of the 40 5-on-5 goals that have happened on the ice. The rest of his 5-on-5 teammates have scored 23 goals on 355 shots, shooting just 6.5% on the season.

    Looking at xStandings Points Above Replacement, which de-emphasizes that shooting percentage luck, Rossi fares significantly better. Rossi's on top of the rookie heap with 3.8 xSPAR on the season, almost a full standings point's worth over second-place Connor Zary (3.1). Curiously, that also puts him far ahead of Bedard and Faber, who rate much better in SPAR than xSPAR.

    As with Faber's SPAR, Rossi's xSPAR is not just great for a rookie but is great in general, tied with Bo Horvat at 51st among NHL forwards. Rossi's impact on the standings is slightly greater than top centers like Anze Kopitar (3.7 xSPAR), Nico Hischier (3.3), and Mathew Barzal (3.2). Any time you're at eye level or looking down at guys like that, you're doing something right.

    Of course, no matter who gets the most votes in the national voting, the Wild will be the big winners of the Calder Trophy series. When you have two legitimate contenders, that's always a good sign. As for which one deserves the honor more? It's a cop-out, but it depends on what you find more valuable. Is your preference the minute-munching power play quarterback of a defenseman or a center who logs heavy, tough minutes and regularly puts the puck in the net? The voters have to choose, but Minnesota doesn't.

    But while Faber is getting the most oxygen at the national level concerning Minnesota Wild rookies, it's clear that Rossi deserves a seat at the table every bit as much as his defense counterpart. Fans in the State of Hockey who are decrying the hockey world potentially overlooking Faber come awards season should be careful not to do the same to their other stud rookie.

    All stats via Evolving-Hockey unless otherwise noted.

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    7 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    If you hand out a trophy to a guy who is a -37, does that mean the trophy is a joke?

    Primarily means his team is a joke, but he certainly isn't strong defensively. Their PP is much more effective when he's on the ice.

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    2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    If you hand out a trophy to a guy who is a -37, does that mean the trophy is a joke?

    Great jab at Bedard... Love it!!!   This is a two way game.

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    Always fun to discuss the success of a player(s).  However, I would also enjoy reading an article on who is costing us wins.  Which players are not pulling their weight?  What are their weaknesses?  How are they negatively impacting the team?

    Thanks for all the articles you guys write at HW.  My favorite site to visit for a MN Wild hockey fix.  

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    1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Always fun to discuss the success of a player(s).  However, I would also enjoy reading an article on who is costing us wins.  Which players are not pulling their weight?  What are their weaknesses?  How are they negatively impacting the team?

    Thanks for all the articles you guys write at HW.  My favorite site to visit for a MN Wild hockey fix.  

    I generally try not to go negative on individual players, because 1) it's more fun to talk about the things that are going well and 2) I don't want to lead too many pile-ons. But the players in with negative SPAR for the Wild this year (not counting small samples):

    Gaudreau: -1.7
    Mermis: -1.4
    Hunt: -0.9
    Goligoski: -0.6
    Lucchini: -0.4
    Chisholm: -0.1

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    Listen, I was a voice over the summer who said Fabes had no shot at winning the Calder as there was going to be a ton of offensive power (Bedard/Fantinelli/Rossi, and hell even Knies looked like a stud in the playoffs) and unless he had a 'Makar-esque' rookie season, that the award was going to a forward who dumped a bucket of points this season.

    SERVE ME MY CROW!

    I'm not going to kid myself, and think Faber's got a shot at winning.  The league wanted to deliver a generational talent to Chicago, and the league is going to give them the Calder and Celebrini, full stop.  But damn, the kid has exceeded my expectations, and I'll gladly admit I was wrong on that old Hockeywilderness post from the summer that was predicting Brock would be more likely than Rossi to be in the discussion.

    I think Brock gets paid this summer.  But sadly, and I hope I'm wrong here again, I don't see Rossi as a long-term player for this team.  I'm guessing it's more likely he gets move this summer than a long term deal.

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    People are making way too much of Bedard's plus/minus, IMO. The Blackhawks are the fourth-worst team at 5-on-5 in Goals For% and Expected Goals For%. They're one of the five absolute worst teams in recent memory, without a doubt. That and bad goaltending luck for 1000 minutes is gonna do a number on anyone's plus/minus. 

    In general, it's a useless stat, and it sucks that this kid's getting bodied for a stat that doesn't really tell you anything about how he's played.

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    4 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    People are making way too much of Bedard's plus/minus, IMO. The Blackhawks are the fourth-worst team at 5-on-5 in Goals For% and Expected Goals For%. They're one of the five absolute worst teams in recent memory, without a doubt. That and bad goaltending luck for 1000 minutes is gonna do a number on anyone's plus/minus. 

    In general, it's a useless stat, and it sucks that this kid's getting bodied for a stat that doesn't really tell you anything about how he's played.

    I feel the same way about most stats.  They are inherently flawed.  The worst is how they are represented as being an objective means to purvey opinion.  Rarely do they identify anything all that profound other than how bad opinion is in general.

    The other thing that is inherently flawed is how people value offense over defense like preventing a goal is somehow worth less than scoring one.  Most trophies and awards are skewed towards offense, even the ones they give to the guys who play D.

    I wonder how many points Rossi would have if he sold out every shift and didn't worry about defense or winning?  More than Bedard?

    Handing out trophies to anyone on one of the worst five teams in history is disrespectful to the game.

     

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    2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    I wonder how many points Rossi would have if he sold out every shift and didn't worry about defense or winning?  More than Bedard?

    Handing out trophies to anyone on one of the worst five teams in history is disrespectful to the game.

    I see where you're going, but even if Bedard committed 100% to defense, 1) That's not his game, and 2) that's not going to help his team win. This is a team where he's very much the only offensive catalyst. The Blackhawks scored 20 goals in 14 games without him and went 3-10-1 without him. If he's not focused 100% on creating offense, his team doesn't have a prayer.

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    4 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    People are making way too much of Bedard's plus/minus, IMO. The Blackhawks are the fourth-worst team at 5-on-5 in Goals For% and Expected Goals For%. They're one of the five absolute worst teams in recent memory, without a doubt. That and bad goaltending luck for 1000 minutes is gonna do a number on anyone's plus/minus. 

    In general, it's a useless stat, and it sucks that this kid's getting bodied for a stat that doesn't really tell you anything about how he's played.

    You are absolutely correct Tony. The Hawks are putrid. I just hope they don't get the kids they are drafting killed. I have seen Bedard maybe a half dozen times in games on TV. His offensive ability is jaw dropping (no pun meant). He is only 18 years old and has a ton of growing to do. That said, his 200 ft game is non-existent. It didn't even look like he tried to play any defensive hockey. Maybe the team does not want him to out of concern he will get hurt. I hope he develops an all around game.

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    Bedard is a dynamic scorer and NHL golden boy. The Calder is going to him.

    Faber and Rossi have both been really good. A year without a "generational" player would have allowed one of them a chance to win. 

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    15 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    I see where you're going, but even if Bedard committed 100% to defense, 1) That's not his game, and 2) that's not going to help his team win. This is a team where he's very much the only offensive catalyst. The Blackhawks scored 20 goals in 14 games without him and went 3-10-1 without him. If he's not focused 100% on creating offense, his team doesn't have a prayer.

    Well, going 17-36 with Bedard isn't too impressive either.  My beef is more with the trophy itself than the "true" value of a 18 year old kid with some nice moves.  

    His value is negligible really.  The team is trying to lose.  They are historically shitty.  His glam moves may have some glitter ball to them but does that mean that we all have to pretend here?  Must we anoint?

    He plays on half the ice.  Give him half a trophy?  😛

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    IMO, Rossi will probably be in Vegas for the awards, as 1 of the 3 finalists. Unfortunately for him, Bedard pretty much beats him as a forward. 

    I also believe that Faber will get his invitation also, and this is where the voters are really going to have a dilemma. Bedard wins in offensive stats, but as a defensemen, to even stay in pace with Bedard in assists is really, really good. Faber dominates the defensive categories, and the TOI. To my knowledge, he has won the head to head battle with Bedard, though Chicago-MN games are typically national games and I get blocked. 

    The main thing here is that either choice can be defended well. Having 2 guys at Vegas for the same award really shows how deep our prospect pool was. And, more are coming. I was a year late on Rossi being a Calder candidate. Faber, due to the injuries, has pretty much single handedly, held down the fort on defense. I do think a tiebreaker in this should be team success. 

    A word on the +/- debate. This is a relative stat. Bedard is on a hugely unsuccessful team, but where does the -37 stand with his teammates? If it is low, and a -37 seems like it would be, then, that should be taken into consideration. If it is pretty much even with the rest of his line and team, well, it's less of an important stat. 

    Lastly, I'd also like to point out that availability is an ability stat that we should be considering. For a defender to play as many games and have the TOI that Faber does should also be considered. Bedard already missed quite a bit of time this season. Faber has not, and for that matter, neither has Rossi. 

    I believe the final vote is probably already rigged, not so much due to Bedard's outstanding play, but due to him being in a big market, original 6 team, and the NHL wants to market that. Also, having 2 candidates on the same team sometimes takes votes away from one another. But, who really cares about the Calder?

    What we should be caring about is that 2 of our rookies in their rookie years played above almost every other prospect on other team's rosters. That fact moves forward. 

     

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    21 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    I generally try not to go negative on individual players, because 1) it's more fun to talk about the things that are going well and 2) I don't want to lead too many pile-ons. But the players in with negative SPAR for the Wild this year (not counting small samples):

    Gaudreau: -1.7
    Mermis: -1.4
    Hunt: -0.9
    Goligoski: -0.6
    Lucchini: -0.4
    Chisholm: -0.1

    Appreciate your candor, Tony.  Now, how about a different exercise:

    Take the SPAR that Spurgeon, Brodin, Kaprizov, and Ek have earned season-to-date, and project where the Wild would be if they had only missed half the games they did.

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    4 hours ago, bisopher said:

    Appreciate your candor, Tony.  Now, how about a different exercise:

    Take the SPAR that Spurgeon, Brodin, Kaprizov, and Ek have earned season-to-date, and project where the Wild would be if they had only missed half the games they did.

    I wrote last week that Spurgeon would give Minnesota three points, easy. My guess is those other three probably account for about a point, but I haven't done the math.

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    9 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Bedard is on a hugely unsuccessful team, but where does the -37 stand with his teammates?

    I think I read Russo today wrote that Bedard has the worst +/- on the Hawks. 

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    27 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

    I think I read Russo today wrote that Bedard has the worst +/- on the Hawks.

    Well, then, relative to his teammates, it must be taken into consideration.

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    17 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I believe the final vote is probably already rigged, not so much due to Bedard's outstanding play, but due to him being in a big market, original 6 team, and the NHL wants to market that.

    I felt from the start of the season the Calder was Bedard's not to lose but just simply Bedard's. The league has invested heavily in Bedard with marketing and hype. He will be like Gretzky or McDavid where he will sell seats in places where those tickets would have not been purchased otherwise. That alone will get you a trophy.  Somethings are just predetermined and Bedard winning the Calder is one of those things. 

    I get the Faber argument for the Calder more so than Rossi but neither is going to happen.  A silly hypothetical. Who would trade Faber straight up for Bedard?

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    5 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    I felt from the start of the season the Calder was Bedard's not to lose but just simply Bedard's. The league has invested heavily in Bedard with marketing and hype. He will be like Gretzky or McDavid where he will sell seats in places where those tickets would have not been purchased otherwise. That alone will get you a trophy.  Somethings are just predetermined and Bedard winning the Calder is one of those things. 

    I get the Faber argument for the Calder more so than Rossi but neither is going to happen.  A silly hypothetical. Who would trade Faber straight up for Bedard?

    Bedard winning the Calder was baked in long before the draft. The NHL wanted it along with the NHL wanting Chicago to get Bedard. Therefore it is inevitable.

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    7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Who would trade Faber straight up for Bedard?

    I wouldn't trade for him.  I wouldn't even trade Rossi for him, but then I value two-way play.

    Yes, Bedard has a lot of offensive skill, but with his defensive side as lacking as it is, I see him as a bit of a liability.  I see Bedard as less of the new Crosby or McDavid and more as a more offensively-gifted version of Zegras.

    I also think that if Rossi puts in another summer like last off-season, that he might even outpace Bedard in points next year.  Maybe that's my two-way player bias clouding my judgment, but I feel like there's a legitimate chance that will happen, barring injuries of course.

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    You might have an argument for THIS SEASON of Faber vs THIS SEASON of Bedard, but come on, no one is trading Bedard straight-up for Faber, and it's only a defense-starved team like Minnesota that would consider keeping Faber for this year only.

    (Though... as good as Faber is, and he's good, it's not like they made the playoffs with Faber, so why not roll the dice with Bedard in this hypothetical?)

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