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    KHL prospects are always a bit of a mystery. It's hard to get a real good eye on players who are halfway across the world. Granted, keeping tabs on Russian (or Swedish, Finnish, Austrian, or anyone else overseas) prospects is much easier than, say, ten years ago. Even still, for the most part, all we have to work with are highlights, box scores, and international tournaments.

    Kirill Kaprizov was the latest in a long line of great Russian snipers including Alex Ovechkin, Pavel Bure, and Lyudmila Pavlichenko, and Minnesota Wild fans managed to get a good handle on what was all about, despite the distance. They have some idea that Marat Khusnutdinov is going to bring speed down the middle, maybe as soon as next year. 

    But as for 2022 first-round pick Danila Yurov? Who knows? Make no mistake, he's absolutely talented. Experts considered Yurov a potential top-10 pick heading into the 2022 draft, and he might have been one had geopolitical circumstances been different. Yurov had one of the best draft-eligible seasons in MHL (the KHL's junior league) history, scoring 36 points in only 23 games.

    The problem is, that's the most extensive playing time he's had in the past two years. He played 40 KHL games between the regular season and playoffs for Metallurg Magnitogorsk in his draft year, but he averaged around three minutes a night. Yurov drew into 70 KHL games last season, but that only worked out to be 541 total minutes.

    We don't even know what position he's going to play. At the draft, right wing was his consensus position. In the midst of the Wild's offseason obsession with acquiring pivots, their brass has communicated to the media that they see Yurov as a potential center

    It's a bit of an in-passing comment relayed by The Athletic's Joe Smith, but it has enormous implications. Again, Minnesota's offseason objective was to ensure depth at the center position for years to come. Yurov potentially moving to the middle would certainly help the cause.

    Entering this offseason, most pundits believed Marco Rossi and Khusnutdinov were the only centers in the Wild pipeline, both high draft picks in 2020. That's not a bad place to start. However, 19 rough games sowed seeds of doubt for Rossi, and there still is lingering concern that Khusnutdinov might eventually move to the wing.

    It's why Minnesota focused on the position again in the draft, grabbing the hulking Charlie Stramel and Rasmus Kumpulainen in their first two picks. They also snagged the dynamic playmaker Riley Heidt with their last pick in the second-round.

    A potential future where Yurov moves to the middle is huge for the Wild in three ways. The first is most obvious. He's an enormously talented winger, and if he can play center, then the Wild have an enormously talented center. Any fan in the State of Hockey can tell you that's not easy to find, and the premium a position switch gives Yurov's value would rise significantly.

    Yurov has a playstyle that lends itself to the prototypical center. He's a strong skater with above-average speed, and uses that speed and his hands to manipulate space in the offensive zone. Dylan Griffing of EliteProspects raved about this in their 2022 Draft Guide: "He loves drawing defenders towards him to open up space for his teammates," he writes. "He [eggs them on] by stickhandling 1-versus-1 with the puck away from his body, so when the opponent reaches for a poke check, he brings it back towards himself, and moves the puck out of the area."

    His defensive game is also strong, meaning that even if he settles into a bottom-six role, Yurov should still have plenty of utility. That doubles if he moves to center. You don't have to look too far back into Wild history to know what having a skilled, two-way center on a third line can do for a team.

    Yurov playing the pivot would also give Minnesota a bridge from the Rossi/Khusnutdinov group to the Stramel/Kumpulainen/Heidt generation of center prospects. Rossi will be ready to take a full-time NHL spot next year, and Khusnutdinov might do the same if the Wild get on a playoff run. Theoretically, they will get the next two cracks at filling top-nine center spots alongside Joel Eriksson Ek.

    If one of those two doesn't work out, though, what happens? With Yurov firmly being a winger, there isn't really a Plan B. With how the Wild have generally slow-played their prospects, Stramel, Kumpulainen, and Heidt won't be in the NHL for two years, minimum. Given that Minnesota only has 21 games from their 2020, '21, and '22 classes (all from Rossi), betting on not seeing them for three years or more sounds safe.

    The Wild will face a lot of pressure to compete around the summer of 2025. If they have a center spot with no heir and their 2023 class isn't making a charge to the NHL, the Wild will address that spot. Once the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter cap hits are gone, no one is going to (nor should) accept Sam Steel or Freddy Gaudreau anchoring a top-six line. In that case, their options are down to three:

    1) Sign a free agent who isn't a No. 1 Center to No. 1 Center money (say, Travis Konecny or Sam Bennett).
    2) Get an Old Guy (Ryan Johansen, Evgeny Kuznetsov, John Tavares) and hope he's more of an Eric Staal than Dany Heatley.
    3) Pray that Leon Draisaitl's top priority as a free agent is ensuring local access to authentic Juicy Lucys and Minnesota Sushi.

    By that time, Yurov will be three years removed from his draft, and will (hopefully) have a full season of regular KHL action and a year of AHL development. He signed on for one more year with Metallurg and arrived to Development Camp this summer. Many high-end KHLers resist going to the AHL, but Yurov's willingness to leave the country (which, as Kaprizov might be able to tell you, isn't easy!) for a three-day seminar on skates hints that he might be fine with a year in Des Moines.

    If he's ready to step into the NHL -- and at center, no less -- that might take pressure off the Wild to do something desperate, regrettable or overly-reliant on a superstar's desire for ham-wrapped pickles.

    Even if Eriksson Ek, Rossi, and Khusnutdinov wind up rounding out the Wild's top-nine, Yurov being able to play center gives the team a third important thing: Options.

    We saw in the playoffs how important it has to have a backup plan. The difference between the Wild and the Dallas Stars, arguably, is that when Minnesota lost Eriksson Ek, they had no answers. When Dallas lost Joe Pavelski early in Round 1, they had about three or four answers. Roope Hintz, Tyler Seguin, and Jamie Benn were all high-end players equally capable of playing center and sliding to the wing. They combined for 10 of the 21 goals the Stars scored that series, so you tell me if that worked out for them.

    In the medium-term, having the flexibility to move Eriksson Ek, Rossi, Khusnutdinov, and Yurov up and down the lineup should be extremely helpful. In the longer-term, it gives Minnesota even more options. Should Stramel, Kumpulainen, or Heidt make the NHL, they can break them into the NHL in a less-demanding winger spot, or they can move a Rossi or Khusnutdinov to the wing.

    Or they could package their prospect depth and try landing a center, like the Los Angeles Kings did for Pierre-Luc Dubois this summer. With Anze Kopitar, Phillip Danault, and top prospect Quinton Byfield in the fold, the Kings now have a Stars-like wealth of options down the middle. The Wild could also attain that kind of flexibility in adding a center like that. 

    Saying you think someone can play center, and having them actually play NHL minutes as a center are two totally different things. But if Yurov indeed has that capability, it takes an already-intriguing prospect and makes him one of the top ones to watch next year. Especially if he actually gets on the ice for more than eight minutes a night.

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    We'll see how the KHL season goes. He's on track to get a more prominent role there. If it goes well for Yurov & Knudi the Wild will be in a pretty good spot. Especially considering the available money to retain vets.

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    Yurov could truly be a wildcard down the line. His development is really being stunted in Russia. Hopefully that doesn't happen again this year. If it does, he will need a minimum of a year in Iowa and possibly two.

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    I'm also excited and share the above accord.  Yurov comes to us as a versatile player and it appears he has his sites set on the USA in '24-'25. Just hearing the fact that he has shared some contact with KK has me even more invested. 

    Yurov has bought into the Wild experience so much he has been taking English classes and is able to communicate much better that last years draft. Another year in the KHL, and more English and he should be even more focused. It says something about his investment in the WIld. The game of hockey is not always simple on the ice I'm sure there are communication issues here and there with your teammates and coaches in a critical time, so this is a bonus and buy in.

    His transition to the NHL will be much more seamless with KK and Khusnutdinov, making the Russian connection potent in the coming years.

    Imagine changing lines around if Yurov should find himself as a 1C or 2C and also sliding out to wing, or the PP options, its endless, not to mention Öhgren and EEK, WOW!

    The future is indeed bright Sviginak :classic_cool:

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    3 hours ago, TCMooch said:

    Are there any examples of a player drafted as a winner that moved to center and was successful?

    Messier, Giroux, Hayes, Stutzle, Aho, Dubios, Zetterberg. Couple of them played center and wing, but most didn't convert to center until the NHL.

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    I saw this possibility from a scouting report earlier in the season, not a Wild scout. They thought Yurov's game could easily transition to him being a center over here. His skating and hockey IQ were listed as the main reasons. 

    It's nice to have options who can play center, but I personally think Yurov is Zuccarello's replacement. Now, if we get back to Evason's "no positions" creation and continue with the F1, 2, 3 thought, having other guys who can play center would be interesting. 

    I'm pretty excited about the pieces we've got that aren't in Iowa. Bringing over 3 guys from Europe to compete for a roster spot next year is huge. And as we look at roster construction, what is lacking in our system is a Foligno type player. Hartman is a sandpapery guy, but we've got some guys who can also bring that. Our team will suddenly transform into a highly skilled team rather than a grit team. So this grit first mentality really is only temporary. 

    Board battle victories are important, especially on dump ins, but if a team is going to mostly carry pucks in and use the middle of the ice, that part becomes a little less important. I still believe you've got to be able to give that heavy shift once in awhile, and have some heavy players, but the identity of this team will change and be ultra entertaining. Stramel and Kumpulainen will be those big forwards in years to come, and I think Stramel may be only a couple of seasons away. 

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    Our grit isn't going away anytime soon. Our team is going to emulate our GM Billy G. This year's draft clearly stated that path moving forward 

    I know Evanson also shares that mentality and if he is ever replaced BG will continue the grit path.  Now obviously we have some better than average and elite talent coming, but the grit will remain and integrate with the talent.

    BG changed the locker room for a reason, that was the beginning and bases for changing the culture.  All these young men moving forward will be drafted, chosen, selected,  traded for to continue this belief system. He's building the foundation, embrace it. How many times do we look back and say in amazement the moves that were questioned blossom into our advantage. 

    Our identity is what BG believes in to get a Cup.    "IBGIT"

     

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    5 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Stramel and Kumpulainen will be those big forwards in years to come, and I think Stramel may be only a couple of seasons away. 

    I don't have a feeling for what Kump will do but i fully expect Stramel to play one more year at UW and then sign. I can see a one year (hopefully) spent in Iowa then moved up. Those years ahead are going to be the new "Golden Age" for Wild hockey.

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    Yurov would be smart to add size & strength for the NHL no matter what position he plays. The biggest, strongest guys are who you have to defend against in the NHL. That's so important because even if your guys have scoring talent they have to keep the puck out of their own net to win consistently.

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    8 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    I don't have a feeling for what Kump will do but i fully expect Stramel to play one more year at UW and then sign. I can see a one year (hopefully) spent in Iowa then moved up. Those years ahead are going to be the new "Golden Age" for Wild hockey.

    Kump isn’t even projected to make the NHL because of his skating but ya never know what can happen.

    I think MNfan is getting a little ahead of himself.

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    22 hours ago, vonlonster67 said:

    Our grit isn't going away anytime soon. Our team is going to emulate our GM Billy G. This year's draft clearly stated that path moving forward 

    I know Evanson also shares that mentality and if he is ever replaced BG will continue the grit path.  Now obviously we have some better than average and elite talent coming, but the grit will remain and integrate with the talent.

    BG changed the locker room for a reason, that was the beginning and bases for changing the culture.  All these young men moving forward will be drafted, chosen, selected,  traded for to continue this belief system. He's building the foundation, embrace it. How many times do we look back and say in amazement the moves that were questioned blossom into our advantage. 

    I just don't believe this statement is true. When a team is iced and has a -$15m than other teams (and it was less in prior years), the team has to play a certain style with players who make less than tremendously skilled players. That's just the reality of the situation.

    If you look at what Judd Brackett has brought us, under the direction of Guerin, you will find a lot of undersized skill players in the system. If you look at the filling out size of most of these players, you can certainly see that bulking up is not a priority. This was the result from before this year's draft where larger players started out the draft. Then Judd, Judded, and went after undersized players that need a lot of growth. 

    I've been criticized for focusing on bulking up and weight too much, but the facts are simple: You must bulk up if you're going to play gritty. The game then becomes more of a scrum on the boards and in the corners, and strength in the front of the net. Judd isn't looking for those guys.

    Judd's players are typically between 5'10" and 6'2", very smooth skaters, puck movers and high hockey IQ. He's looking for superstars in the mold of a Patrick Kane or Elias Pettersson, not someone like Ryan Getzlaf or Victor Hedman, or a Tkachuk. He doesn't even pretend to be balanced in this as Judd never goes after monstrous defenders who are 6'4" or above. 

    The evidence then points to a team that will rely more on finesse and skill rather than grit. And, to Judd's benefit, he has brought in several prospects with a high skill level. But, this acquiring of talent does not even a little bit suggest that the "grit first" mentality will carry on. There might be an "oh, by the way, we have a few guys who can check" team, but the majority of what's coming is not the gritty way. 

    This is especially alarming on defense, IMO, because Judd seems to only draft good skating, puck moving defenders. You need a defensive corps equipped for more than that. A great example of this is Aaron Pionk drafted in the 5th round. At this point, it's just throwing darts at the dart board, but Judd chose a guy who is 2 years overaged and is still 170 lbs. dripping wet. This is where you draft someone in the Soucy class, not another undersized, puck moving defender. 

    Why doesn't Judd like those larger bodies? Likely because they do not skate smoothly right now. They recently grew and they're getting used to their new bodies. They still look a little clumsy. Judd doesn't like taking a chance on those types of prospects, and I think he's missing the boat pretty often. This is why Guerin has to trade for a Middleton and not develop one. 

    My conclusion is that grit will be downgraded as we transition into skill. My hope is that we can remain somewhat balanced in this and are still able to have a heavy shift, but those shifts may be a jumbling of lines just to get 3 heavy players out there. I still don't know why we don't start home games with our heavy shifting personnel and get the crowd immediately into the games.

    In the other part, you mention Evason and grit. My speculation is that this will be Evason's last year with another 1st round exit. Shooter will then tap his trophy coach.

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    19 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    I don't have a feeling for what Kump will do but i fully expect Stramel to play one more year at UW and then sign. I can see a one year (hopefully) spent in Iowa then moved up. Those years ahead are going to be the new "Golden Age" for Wild hockey.

    The reason for saying 2 more is that I believe Stramel will opt to go the Faber route instead of the Iowa route. 2 years in Hastings' system will probably do wonders for Stramel. On an ELC, there are 9Xs reasons why you would want to be in the N rather than the A. I'd like to see Stramel play more games, like in the A. Now, if WI wins a National Championship this year (unlikely), that could change things for Stramel!

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    18 hours ago, Protec said:

    Yurov would be smart to add size & strength for the NHL no matter what position he plays. The biggest, strongest guys are who you have to defend against in the NHL. That's so important because even if your guys have scoring talent they have to keep the puck out of their own net to win consistently.

    For some reason, I trust the Russian players more in this aspect than the Western Euro guys. I suspect that both Khus%^& and Yurov come over pretty ripped! Some of our Iowa boys that have been taking gym days off are going to be in for a big surprise!

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    11 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Kump isn’t even projected to make the NHL because of his skating but ya never know what can happen.

    I think MNfan is getting a little ahead of himself.

    Kumpulainen's skating will improve dramatically. Of course there are no scouting reports on how he was skating prior to his growth spurt. All of that is speculative, but large Swedish/Finnish guys tend to be able to handle the blades just fine.

    He may not remain at center, though.

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    9 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    What if Rossi is Zuccarello's replacement and they need a center for that line?

    If Rossi then converts to wing in that spot, then I'd probably put Ek up on the top line. I could definitely see an all Russian line with Yurov-Khus-Kaprizov. For me, Rossi's got to work really hard to earn the top line wing. We've got so much skill coming, it's going to be such a change in style.

    Now, if Rossi remains in the middle and is that playmaker for Kaprizov, that would leave the top line wing open. Boldy or Yurov could take that. I suspect Yurov would be a little away from that since he hasn't played much for 2 seasons. So, you could put Boldy up there and stick Yurov next to Ek and maybe Ohgren? Or have a 3rd line with Khus-Gaudreau and Ohgren? Then have a 4th line of Foligno-Dewar-Duhaime? 

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    In other news, looks like Jeremy Swayman took his case to the arbitrators. He was asking for $4.8m, Boston $2m. Most are expecting this to go similar to Samsonov's deal, maybe a little less since Swayman is a little younger in age and in the league. 

    Interestingly, in an article I read, the GMs do not consider Oettinger and Knight contracts as comparables because the situation was different. Neither player was arbitration eligible when they signed them, which meant a different situation. While that seems like a technicality, it will be the same technicality that Guerin will point out with Gustavsson.

    If this case goes the way I think it will, with Swayman getting somewhere between $3.3m and $3.4m, I think we sign Goose2 this week for somewhere around $3.2m without arbitration. Might even be a 2 year deal. I still think it is an overpayment, but getting the 2nd year at that price might be worth it. 

    Now, if the arbitrators go lower on Swayman, that could open up a can of worms against Goose2, since Swayman's numbers are a little better overall. We should be close to the exchange of numbers for Goose2. I'm guessing he'll be asking for the same $4.8m. I wonder what Guerin's number is?

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    On 7/30/2023 at 7:50 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    I saw this possibility from a scouting report earlier in the season, not a Wild scout. They thought Yurov's game could easily transition to him being a center over here. His skating and hockey IQ were listed as the main reasons. 

    It's nice to have options who can play center, but I personally think Yurov is Zuccarello's replacement. Now, if we get back to Evason's "no positions" creation and continue with the F1, 2, 3 thought, having other guys who can play center would be interesting. 

    Or they could kick Rossi out to wing as a Zooky replacement. Then you've got a trio of Rossi-Yurov-Kaprizov and it allows you to keep some speed on the 2nd line for Boldy by possibly replacing Mojo with Khusnutdinov (or maybe Beckman/Walker finally reach their top-6 potential?)

    Or swap Khusnutdinov and Rossi and just have a full trio of Russians while allowing Boldy and Rossi to try and recapture that AHL magic (with Ek showing Rossi how playing as a top-6 NHL center is done.) 

    That'll leave the 3rd line C role open for Stramel when he graduates from the AHL and we will finally have enough cap space that we can just fill in the rest of the roster relatively easily whether with UFAs or prospects. 

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    On 7/31/2023 at 9:56 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    If this case goes the way I think it will, with Swayman getting somewhere between $3.3m and $3.4m, I think we sign Goose2 this week for somewhere around $3.2m without arbitration. Might even be a 2 year deal. I still think it is an overpayment, but getting the 2nd year at that price might be worth it. 

    Swayman awarded 1-year, $3.475 million contract with Bruins -- arbitration ruling.

    You weren't far off.  Guerin agreed with you that a bit more money on a 3-year deal was better than getting below the $3.5M level in arbitration.

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    On 7/29/2023 at 10:59 AM, Up North Guy said:

    Yurov could truly be a wildcard down the line. His development is really being stunted in Russia. Hopefully that doesn't happen again this year. If it does, he will need a minimum of a year in Iowa and possibly two.

    UNG, that's the exciting piece about Yurov! He's been riding the bench for a majority of his KHL career, but has been lights out when on the ice in limited opportunities. 

    Yurov has endured the pressure applied to him and resisted the long term contract signing with his Russian team. I have to give the kid credit to hold out, only signing a one year contract so he can come stateside next year. He's the real deal and if he spends a year in IA that will be max.

    KK and him are in contact and with Khusnutdinov coming too they could be our first line of the future with the ability to slide Yurov to 2C depending on what D we face. 

    Gonna be a good day!!!!

     

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    15 hours ago, vonlonster67 said:

    UNG, that's the exciting piece about Yurov! He's been riding the bench for a majority of his KHL career, but has been lights out when on the ice in limited opportunities. 

    Yurov has endured the pressure applied to him and resisted the long term contract signing with his Russian team. I have to give the kid credit to hold out, only signing a one year contract so he can come stateside next year. He's the real deal and if he spends a year in IA that will be max.

    Let's say there continues to be pressure on Yurov to sign again longterm. Enough pressure to affect his TOI. Since there is no agreement between the NHL and KHL, could Yurov, essentially say, "bag this, I'm headed to the US" around, say, December?  

    He could spend half a year in the A and be better prepared to compete the following season for a roster spot. I have no idea if there could be retribution on his family if he did such a thing? 

    Does Shooter have a Guido that can safely get him over?

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    22 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Let's say there continues to be pressure on Yurov to sign again longterm. Enough pressure to affect his TOI. Since there is no agreement between the NHL and KHL, could Yurov, essentially say, "bag this, I'm headed to the US" around, say, December?  

    He could spend half a year in the A and be better prepared to compete the following season for a roster spot. I have no idea if there could be retribution on his family if he did such a thing? 

    Does Shooter have a Guido that can safely get him over?

    Gotta believe they have some relationship with Metallurg Magnitogorsk if he came here for Dev Camp.

    I would expect BG will keep a good relationship with the KHL considering we have Khusnutdinov playing there also. No need to rush Yurov as he's already coming early at age 20.

    After what happen with KK, they have to have a dignitary assisting them, obviously for 🤑.

     

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    On 7/31/2023 at 9:16 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    There might be an "oh, by the way, we have a few guys who can check" team, but the majority of what's coming is not the gritty way. 

    That's because guys who can check can be bought cheaply on the FA market as the team fills out the roster with NHL vets. 

    If you go into a draft looking for checking, your going to end up with players like DR and CF ended up with. Want a cup, you have to draft for skill because skilled guys will retain value longer than a JAG that can check.

     

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