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  • Anson Carter Is Right About the Wild's Lack Of Depth


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    Kalisha Turnipseed

     

    No matter how people feel about TNT broadcaster Anson Carter, he was right about one thing. The Minnesota Wild don’t have the depth to make a sustainable playoff run. However, general manager Bill Guerin is still managing the team like they’re not far away from winning the Stanley Cup. 

    He extended Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, Marcus Foligno, Marcus Johansson, Frederick Gaudreau, Marc-Andre Fleury, Zach Bogosian, Jon Merrill, and Alex Goligoski because he believed they could make an impact until their mid-to-late 30s. Guerin was an impact player for 22 seasons of his Hall of Fame career and retired at 39 years old. He created the Wild to be “untouchable” during cap hell. He wanted to make them the NHL’s most irritating team. 

    Some Wild fans are hanging on to the 2002-03 season and the 2007-08 Northwest Division title as a blueprint for how Minnesota can win with Kirill Kaprizov. Although they haven’t won a playoff series since 2014-15, they still retired Mikko Koivu’s No. 9 into the rafters. 

    How do they cater to fans? By creating Hockey Day Minnesota, Wild Fans No. 1 banner, the 2015-16 Stadium Series, and the 2021-22 Winter Classic. The team of 18,000 will always stand behind the Wild, including attacking Carter for being honest about the team on TNT. The Wild are playing for a wild card spot in the playoffs which isn’t anything new. That’s the Wild’s ceiling. A borderline playoff team. 

    What do borderline playoff teams do? They end up finishing outside of the two wild card spots, falling into the mushy middle. The Wild love to blame injuries and referees blowing games instead of owning up to their mistakes and taking responsibility. Why not show a 60-minute effort on a consistent basis? These players are human, and it’s impossible to play 60 minutes every game. However, the Wild are still finding their identity. They market themselves as “Grit First” and “It’s About Winning,” but Guerin hasn’t built a contender around Kaprizov. 

    Guerin didn’t draft Kaprizov, Matt Boldy, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Brock Faber. But he used a first-round pick on Marco Rossi, who he’s considering trading. He also drafted Marat Khusnutdinov, Jesper Wallstedt, and Daemon Hunt, who haven’t made a championship-level impact in the NHL. More prospects are on the way, but what we’ve witnessed so far suggests that the prospects aren’t ready. Guerin is depending on Judd Brackett to bring in young, cost-effective talent, but he almost always prioritizes high-floor veterans over young players with upside. 

    When he was in Vancouver, Brackett drafted Elias Pettersson fifth overall in the 2017 draft and Quinn Hughes seventh overall in 2018. Brackett took Pettersson as a top-five pick and Hughes as a lucky seven pick. Brackett needs the opportunity to get a cornerstone player within the top-seven of a draft. Rossi is a ninth overall pick (2020), but the Wild aren’t prioritizing him like Kaprizov, Boldy, and even Eriksson Ek, even though he’s been their most consistent 5-on-5 forward this season. 

    The Wild took Danila Yurov 24th overall in 2022, but he’s performing as a top-seven draft pick in the KHL. Riley Heidt is also out-performing his draft stock. The Wild got him in the second round, and he has first-round skill. Guerin’s making Brackett’s job harder by wanting to win now. Therefore, Yurov and Heidt must become first-round caliber talents for Minnesota to have enough skill to compete in the playoffs. 

    Guerin was an impactful veteran later in his career, but he was also an outlier. Zuccarello, Jonas Brodin, Fleury, and Bogosian have been veteran performers who belong on championship teams. Any winning team would value Hartman’s versatility. The same goes for Foligno’s leadership and Jared Spurgeon’s longevity. 

    But that’s where the cutoff begins. Johansson’s speed and No-Trade Clause (NTC) keep him on the team, and Dean Evason is the reason they signed Gaudreau through 2027-28. Guerin has prioritized veterans, which makes it more difficult for him to build a younger core around Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. 

    Guerin has won four Stanley Cups as a player and may not understand Minnesota sports fans' desperation. Many people here would rather see him lean into the upside of young, cost-effective players than build a roster full of high-floor, low-ceiling veterans who are easy to coach. By building teams that are good enough to make the playoffs but lose once they get there, he’s making it more difficult for Brackett to do his job. It would be easier for the Wild to get high-end players if they had better draft picks.

    The Wild are wasting the opportunity to win with the core of Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. Fans will have to wait for the veteran contracts to expire and prospects to mature into impact players on a contending team. However, there’s a way for Guerin to build a Cup-winning team as soon as 2024-25, but he can’t assume that most veterans will make an impact in their mid- to late-30s as he did. He needs to invest in a winning core that will support his cornerstones. He needs to build a team with an identity that will give him winning results.

     

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    6 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Honest question: why is Carter being vilified for calling out Wild’s lack of depth?

    In '21-'22? We didn't have a lack of depth. 

    We had two scoring lines because we still had Fiala who was taking off once Boldy got to the NHL, we had the GREEF line, and the 4th line was Sturm and the Dewey twins with Shaw available as the 13th forward, plus Bjugstadt. 

    It was considerably deeper then than it currently is now. Which isn't really a surprise considering we had an extra $10M or so in cap space to use to build up the roster at that point. 

    Carter was just plain wrong and didn't like getting called out for it so he played the race card when that had nothing to do with it. 

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    4 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

     He's not wrong now. But he's still a J/A for pulling the race card on Russo back then saying "stay on code" and "sounds all white to me".

    Right? Worst part is he's the one who called out Russo first and then he gets upset that Russo responds, and accurately points out Carter was putting too much weight on the Blues game, and goes nuclear over it a week later by heavily suggesting it was race related?

    Just stupid. 

    https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/wild/anson-carter-goes-at-michael-russo-on-national-tv-russo-responds

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    8 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Yeah I remember well the broadcast where Anson showed his ass.

    Last year's Anson Carter "incident" was a class action embarrassment for Wild fans. 

    You should never feel obligated to stick up for the beat writer. He's a big boy and can handle himself. Not to mention with one retweet, and you'll have 100's of hockey dude-bros in your mentions calling you every name in the book for having the audacity to disagree with Michael Russo.

    The Anson Carter thing was embarrassing for everyone and highly racist at its worst.

    The Wild didn't have the depth then, and don't have it now. It should get better. Frankly, Guerin has to get out of his own way to create that depth. You can't sign 4th line or 3rd pairing guys off the scrap heap, then double down with a multi-year extension when there is absolutely no reason to do it.

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    On 4/4/2024 at 7:40 PM, Citizen Strife said:

    Also, for all the people thinking, "Hey, all we need is some mythical high pick to solve our depth issues," here's a name never to forget.

    #4 pick: Benoit Pouliot

    Sorry, but Top 5 picks don't always end up winners.

     

    Your chances are much higher than late round 1sts.... 

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    Raithis; they are actually doing the same thing...

    And the vets being depth pieces that the prospects leapfrog? Then why are the prospects constantly put behind them on lines and we see the youngsters either a healthy scratch or up and down between the clubs while the vets play... also the contracts that is being given to the vets, alot that NO other team would come close to offering.

    If guerin was different why aren't we seeing a new strategy and the youth play? 

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    4 hours ago, joebou15 said:

    Last year's Anson Carter "incident" was a class action embarrassment for Wild fans. 

    You should never feel obligated to stick up for the beat writer. He's a big boy and can handle himself. Not to mention with one retweet, and you'll have 100's of hockey dude-bros in your mentions calling you every name in the book for having the audacity to disagree with Michael Russo.

    The Anson Carter thing was embarrassing for everyone and highly racist at its worst.

    The Wild didn't have the depth then, and don't have it now. It should get better. Frankly, Guerin has to get out of his own way to create that depth. You can't sign 4th line or 3rd pairing guys off the scrap heap, then double down with a multi-year extension when there is absolutely no reason to do it.

    Um I think you miss the point although you allude to it. Nothing to do with Russo or sticking up for him I personally don't care for him much of the time it could have been anybody. Whether Carter was right or wrong about the Wilds depth then or now...ah never mind...

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    14 hours ago, greg said:

    WILD FANS HAVE BEEN WAITING for 20 years.  How much longer do we have to wait to see a consistent championship caliber team? 

    And this is the thing, patience is wearing thin. However, to blame Shooter for the trading away of premium draft picks in the teens isn't right either. He's had about 4 years. It usually takes 5 years for draft picks to mature. 

    When he took this team over, the cupboards were pretty empty and we had traded away our younger core. That's not on him, and the change means you have to wait longer. 

    I get it, 20 years is a long time. But you got playoffs out of the majority of those years. Just not much success in those series. And, if the competitive retool/reload doesn't work, there will be more waiting. It does look better, though, than Ottawa and Buffalo. If you want to feel pain, look at how they've done. AZ too.

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    39 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said:

    Raithis; they are actually doing the same thing...

    And the vets being depth pieces that the prospects leapfrog? Then why are the prospects constantly put behind them on lines and we see the youngsters either a healthy scratch or up and down between the clubs while the vets play... also the contracts that is being given to the vets, alot that NO other team would come close to offering.

    If guerin was different why aren't we seeing a new strategy and the youth play? 

    I disagree with N4S99 and agree with Raithis. There is a difference. 

    1. Guerin has held on to his top 2 picks in the draft AND has picked up more.
    2. Guerin hasn't brought the youngsters up too quickly. Fletcher did.
    3. Guerin is using depth draft picks and guys he wasn't signing anyway to get playoff rentals.
    4. Guerin has pretty full cupboards and isn't selling them off for rentals.

    Just these 4 things make it different. And, it will probably give us better results. But, we have to wait for that to happen as the development time on these guys is 5 years before playing a regular role in the N.

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    44 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    Um I think you miss the point although you allude to it. Nothing to do with Russo or sticking up for him I personally don't care for him much of the time it could have been anybody. Whether Carter was right or wrong about the Wilds depth then or now...ah never mind...

    I never got into this fight, but I can tell you that the majority of national "insiders" have really no clue about individual teams, especially non-large market teams. I have little respect for any of their opinions. They are generally east coast biased, and spend about 10 minutes of research time on 2/3rds of the league. Your just lucky they can spell the player's names right!

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    Why wouldn't we have enough depth? I suppose what they're getting at is proven depth. Well, buyouts are one reason, but not the main reason. Under ,Fletcher, 1 key ingredient was missing and it wasn't his fault: The draft black hole of the mid to late '00s. We needed those guys to fill in and they simply weren't there. 

    Fast forward a decade and you have a similar thing, except instead of just plain whiffing, Fletcher traded them out. 2 were 1sts, too many to count were 2nds. But the effect was the same, no premium picks panned out. That is what is haunting us today. That great '15 draft was followed up by, well, Fenton disassembling the younger kids. And for what? Fiala and the scrubs. 

    I wouldn't consider Lettieri and Lucchini depth. We've got very little ready in Iowa, we're $15m short of cap space so any injuries to our better players will be magnified where only talented ELC players could really make a difference. 

    It will get better the more these guys mature. But many don't want to let that happen. They try to speed up the timelines, and when there are setbacks, they're ready to throw the player in the trash. We've got a nice pipeline going right now, let's keep it going and we'll get the fruits from it later. Kaprizov won't be done at 30. 

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    17 hours ago, Protec said:

    Wild just signed a new goalie from Czech. Samuel Hlavaj to a two-year, entry-level contract starting with the 2024-25 season.

    I think I'm getting prospect fatigue. 🫠 Yeah Gus is looking more and more like Dubnyk 2.0 it might be worth seeing what we can get for him. I wonder if BG got any inquiries at the trade dead line? That would have been the time to move him. But we were still in the we can win the Cup mode then. His value has probably gone down since. Can't slow walk Wallstedt forever.  

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    On 4/6/2024 at 8:15 AM, MacGyver said:

    Can't slow walk Wallstedt forever.  

    Since he's called up now for the final 6 games, and Iowa isn't going to make the postseason either, perhaps we'll see where his game is at. 

    It may take him a little time to get used to NHL shooters. I thought he played well against Dallas through the first couple of periods before the roof caved in. I do believe he is ready for the call up, and to be back up next season. The real question is whether Goose is ready to take on a #1 role, one he failed at this season. I have no problems with playing the goalies every other game either. 

    What is very noticeable is when Fleury was relied on to win a big game, he really couldn't down the stretch. His reflexes seem to be going a little, and that is a big part of his game. With Fleury's size, if his reflexes slow just a smidgeon, he's toast. His whole game is based upon cat like quickness. 

    His flexibility still appears to be there, but there's more to it than that. Guerin's got to realize this before extending him a contract, and should he do that, no contract can go above 1 year. On another point, I'd be ok if Goose-The Wall didn't work out and we signed Fleury for 1/2 a season, and sent The Wall down. Or if Goose's game doesn't rebound and we do have to trade him out and run with The Wall and someone else.

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    On 4/5/2024 at 8:53 PM, Need4speed99 said:

    Raithis; they are actually doing the same thing...

    And the vets being depth pieces that the prospects leapfrog? Then why are the prospects constantly put behind them on lines and we see the youngsters either a healthy scratch or up and down between the clubs while the vets play... also the contracts that is being given to the vets, alot that NO other team would come close to offering.

    If guerin was different why aren't we seeing a new strategy and the youth play? 

    Because the youth has yet to overtake the vets.  In the last few years of those contracts, the youth will be higher up the depth chart, and the vets will be playing 3rd-4th line.  They are placeholders.  Movement down the depth chart hasn't happened yet because the youth is not ready.  People keep wanting the kids to be put in the NHL like Buffalo or Montreal, but they seem to think they are going to get different results than Buffalo or Montreal.  They need to develop first.

    Also, most teams have mid-tier vets under contacts, frequently also with clauses.  The Wild aren't even the worst offenders of this.  I don't see the big deal unless more vets are added.  Where we are at right now makes sense.

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    On 4/7/2024 at 12:48 PM, mnfaninnc said:

    Since he's called up now for the final 6 games, and Iowa isn't going to make the postseason either, perhaps we'll see where his game is at. 

    It may take him a little time to get used to NHL shooters. I thought he played well against Dallas through the first couple of periods before the roof caved in. I do believe he is ready for the call up, and to be back up next season. The real question is whether Goose is ready to take on a #1 role, one he failed at this season. I have no problems with playing the goalies every other game either. 

    What is very noticeable is when Fleury was relied on to win a big game, he really couldn't down the stretch. His reflexes seem to be going a little, and that is a big part of his game. With Fleury's size, if his reflexes slow just a smidgeon, he's toast. His whole game is based upon cat like quickness. 

    His flexibility still appears to be there, but there's more to it than that. Guerin's got to realize this before extending him a contract, and should he do that, no contract can go above 1 year. On another point, I'd be ok if Goose-The Wall didn't work out and we signed Fleury for 1/2 a season, and sent The Wall down. Or if Goose's game doesn't rebound and we do have to trade him out and run with The Wall and someone else.

    Historically goalies have been big time head cases. They need different coaching than skaters (not just on technique). The Wall got that fate the Dallas game, went back to Iowa, and read the games the way he needed to. Gus finally IMO got the coaching he needed. The two got very different coaching based on their needs. Now Gus is playing better also. I like Flower but just don't see him being able to carry a #1 load. If Gus finishes strong and Flower wants to come back, ok for one year only. 

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