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  • Anson Carter Is Right About the Wild's Lack Of Depth


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    Kalisha Turnipseed

     

    No matter how people feel about TNT broadcaster Anson Carter, he was right about one thing. The Minnesota Wild don’t have the depth to make a sustainable playoff run. However, general manager Bill Guerin is still managing the team like they’re not far away from winning the Stanley Cup. 

    He extended Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, Marcus Foligno, Marcus Johansson, Frederick Gaudreau, Marc-Andre Fleury, Zach Bogosian, Jon Merrill, and Alex Goligoski because he believed they could make an impact until their mid-to-late 30s. Guerin was an impact player for 22 seasons of his Hall of Fame career and retired at 39 years old. He created the Wild to be “untouchable” during cap hell. He wanted to make them the NHL’s most irritating team. 

    Some Wild fans are hanging on to the 2002-03 season and the 2007-08 Northwest Division title as a blueprint for how Minnesota can win with Kirill Kaprizov. Although they haven’t won a playoff series since 2014-15, they still retired Mikko Koivu’s No. 9 into the rafters. 

    How do they cater to fans? By creating Hockey Day Minnesota, Wild Fans No. 1 banner, the 2015-16 Stadium Series, and the 2021-22 Winter Classic. The team of 18,000 will always stand behind the Wild, including attacking Carter for being honest about the team on TNT. The Wild are playing for a wild card spot in the playoffs which isn’t anything new. That’s the Wild’s ceiling. A borderline playoff team. 

    What do borderline playoff teams do? They end up finishing outside of the two wild card spots, falling into the mushy middle. The Wild love to blame injuries and referees blowing games instead of owning up to their mistakes and taking responsibility. Why not show a 60-minute effort on a consistent basis? These players are human, and it’s impossible to play 60 minutes every game. However, the Wild are still finding their identity. They market themselves as “Grit First” and “It’s About Winning,” but Guerin hasn’t built a contender around Kaprizov. 

    Guerin didn’t draft Kaprizov, Matt Boldy, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Brock Faber. But he used a first-round pick on Marco Rossi, who he’s considering trading. He also drafted Marat Khusnutdinov, Jesper Wallstedt, and Daemon Hunt, who haven’t made a championship-level impact in the NHL. More prospects are on the way, but what we’ve witnessed so far suggests that the prospects aren’t ready. Guerin is depending on Judd Brackett to bring in young, cost-effective talent, but he almost always prioritizes high-floor veterans over young players with upside. 

    When he was in Vancouver, Brackett drafted Elias Pettersson fifth overall in the 2017 draft and Quinn Hughes seventh overall in 2018. Brackett took Pettersson as a top-five pick and Hughes as a lucky seven pick. Brackett needs the opportunity to get a cornerstone player within the top-seven of a draft. Rossi is a ninth overall pick (2020), but the Wild aren’t prioritizing him like Kaprizov, Boldy, and even Eriksson Ek, even though he’s been their most consistent 5-on-5 forward this season. 

    The Wild took Danila Yurov 24th overall in 2022, but he’s performing as a top-seven draft pick in the KHL. Riley Heidt is also out-performing his draft stock. The Wild got him in the second round, and he has first-round skill. Guerin’s making Brackett’s job harder by wanting to win now. Therefore, Yurov and Heidt must become first-round caliber talents for Minnesota to have enough skill to compete in the playoffs. 

    Guerin was an impactful veteran later in his career, but he was also an outlier. Zuccarello, Jonas Brodin, Fleury, and Bogosian have been veteran performers who belong on championship teams. Any winning team would value Hartman’s versatility. The same goes for Foligno’s leadership and Jared Spurgeon’s longevity. 

    But that’s where the cutoff begins. Johansson’s speed and No-Trade Clause (NTC) keep him on the team, and Dean Evason is the reason they signed Gaudreau through 2027-28. Guerin has prioritized veterans, which makes it more difficult for him to build a younger core around Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. 

    Guerin has won four Stanley Cups as a player and may not understand Minnesota sports fans' desperation. Many people here would rather see him lean into the upside of young, cost-effective players than build a roster full of high-floor, low-ceiling veterans who are easy to coach. By building teams that are good enough to make the playoffs but lose once they get there, he’s making it more difficult for Brackett to do his job. It would be easier for the Wild to get high-end players if they had better draft picks.

    The Wild are wasting the opportunity to win with the core of Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. Fans will have to wait for the veteran contracts to expire and prospects to mature into impact players on a contending team. However, there’s a way for Guerin to build a Cup-winning team as soon as 2024-25, but he can’t assume that most veterans will make an impact in their mid- to late-30s as he did. He needs to invest in a winning core that will support his cornerstones. He needs to build a team with an identity that will give him winning results.

     

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    Does it come back to not having cap space to sign depth? Some of the extensions especially with no trade clause are concerning but maybe they are the depth and Wild need to get some of the young future stars going.... 

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    How are those Ottawa Senators doing with their 3rd and 4th overall picks?  Tell me how Hughes is doing after being selected 1st by New Jersey?  Gotta love the automatic playoff bid Buffalo earned picking Dahlin that time...

    Oh wait: it's almost as if winning a ping pong ball isn't an automatic "We are a playoff team and will always win forever and ever" golden ticket or something.

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    So this Rossi being traded business...is that one of Russo's pot-stirring moments?  Keep in mind he is paid to get people to talk and discuss...

    In retrospect I recall when he wrote for the Star Tribune and you didn't have to pay to read the blogs:

    • Wild win = A couple of sentences, maybe a paragraph.
    • Wild loss = Multiple pages.

    Not subscribing to the Athletic to read what he writes now but I'd bet a 2011 bottle of Midleton Very Rare that not much has changed.

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    At this stage of the transition out of what many NHL capologists deemed “ the top 2 worst contracts in the NHL”.(last 3 years), I’m in the wait and see camp to see how everything plays out. There’s too much going on behind the scenes with these players and owner to assess what options are available to retool. I can see some very positive things that BG and friends have done and a few things that are hard to unravel. I’m hoping for a team coming out of the buyouts that is top 8 or better.

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    29 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

    I’m hoping for a team coming out of the buyouts that is top 8 or better.

    And that's the rub. So far BG has given me no confidence he'll be able to navigate the buyouts ending. I hope I'm wrong, I just don't think I am.

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    1 or 2 top 5 draft picks does not make a team.  This team has a foundation with Kirill, Ek, Boldy, Faber, Spurgeon and Brodin.  Rossi and Knut are already showing signs of being a staple on the team.  We are not the sharks or Columbus.  We need a few impact players to be a competitive team.  The question that remains:  Is GMBG capable of developing or signing those remaining pieces?

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    Kappy is 26.  His 27 th year will be a waste due to buyouts. His 28th year we might have a couple 1sts playing with him. By age 30 we might have an idea if  ohgren and yurslov are legit nhl ers . If they aren’t then the wild are screwed. Stramel an kumpy aren’t your franchise changing picks. So you’ve wasted kappy years to find out Billy’s vision was joke. Even if they are legit, how does that fix your d core ? 
        I see buff and New Jersey differently. I think it proves competitive rebuild is a joke. It proves it takes kids time to develop . It’s better to have lots of options in an age group  than  spread out . Trying to weave 17 th overalls into into your kappy timeline isn’t going to work. To many unknowns.  New Jersey and buffalo have good young , fast, and  big teams. They both will have good futures under the right management. The Hughes brothers will be in the playoffs! Buffalo has Dahlin , powers and byram on d . They will grow into a good team. We have aging kappy and a collection of cast offs for next 5 years. That New Jersey vs rangers game was awesome last night. Rempe and McDermit going at it . Good physical playoff type  hockey.  With the wild you get to watch darlings dance around the sharks and call it meaningful. Ridiculous yet thats what we have to look forward to thanks to bill and Fred. 

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    Two yrs ago the were 2nd in the central.  Last yr 3rd. To say the Wild ceiling is battling for a wildcard is ridiculous.To think the injuries didn't crush the team this yr is crazy. You can't be missing that many important players and think everything will be fine. Yes they had some games they gave points away in an unacceptable manor and you can't do that.

    What is Johansson blocking Walker or something 😆 

    I will also say this. Last yrs playoff would have been fun to see with Ek not out and Kaprizov not dealing with what he was dealing with after Stanley got him.

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    22 minutes ago, punch_cut said:

    Two yrs ago the were 2nd in the central.  Last yr 3rd. To say the Wild ceiling is battling for a wildcard is ridiculous.To think the injuries didn't crush the team this yr is crazy. You can't be missing that many important players and think everything will be fine. Yes they had some games they gave points away in an unacceptable manor and you can't do that.

    What is Johansson blocking Walker or something 😆 

    I will also say this. Last yrs playoff would have been fun to see with Ek not out and Kaprizov not dealing with what he was dealing with after Stanley got him.

    And how far did those teams get in the playoffs. How many very overperforming seasons did they get from vets who never had a season close to that...

    Now some of our top d men are getting into their mid 30s and can't be expected to munch big minutes. 

    Everything she said in this article was spot on. Signing aging vets to bad contracts and expecting very good production from guys at the end of their careers... we have seen their ceiling and if they continue to roll out the same team you can expect the same results.

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    7 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    How are those Ottawa Senators doing with their 3rd and 4th overall picks?  Tell me how Hughes is doing after being selected 1st by New Jersey?  Gotta love the automatic playoff bid Buffalo earned picking Dahlin that time...

    Oh wait: it's almost as if winning a ping pong ball isn't an automatic "We are a playoff team and will always win forever and ever" golden ticket or something.

    The wild have had the same strategy  for 16 or so years now, how have they faired?

    Not saying a complete rebuild is magically going to work and is the best course now but a change from the current modus operandi is NEEDED. stop signing aging vets and get the youth in here to see what you got. Keep the vets as 4th liners or off the ice as depth.

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    The vets are going to be pushed down to those lines in a year or so.  Faber took over #1 D with flying colors, Rossi has already settled into 2nd C at worst (and Hynes is keeping him there), and so it's just a waiting game for Yurov, Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, etc. to do so.  It's the waiting game that seems to be killing people.

    There's two outcomes: they hit, or they don't.  Guerin isn't sitting there with a stick going, "Nope, nope, nope, nope, yep, nope, yep, nope." by choice.  He probably has Leipold holding a pen over his head going, "Yeah, no tank, so fuck off and do your job."

    What Guerin CAN control right now is if any fuel to the fire of the Rossi thing actually comes to fruition and he's just let go for nothing.  

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    Also, for all the people thinking, "Hey, all we need is some mythical high pick to solve our depth issues," here's a name never to forget.

    #4 pick: Benoit Pouliot

    Sorry, but Top 5 picks don't always end up winners.

     

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    Nolan Patrick, Yakupov, Galchenyuk, all never became top NHL players. Never know when the hype and timing leads to crummy selections. The Wild aren't alone making some questionable picks. 

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    10 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Also, for all the people thinking, "Hey, all we need is some mythical high pick to solve our depth issues," here's a name never to forget.

    #4 pick: Benoit Pouliot

    Sorry, but Top 5 picks don't always end up winners.

     

    You are correct, but your chances increase immensely. 

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    16 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

    Not this month, Anson. (Snark)

    Yeah I remember well the broadcast where Anson showed his ass. He made the entire panel uncomfortable with his remarks and it wasn't the remarks he made about the Wild's depth that was just the vehicle he used to show who he really is. I remember the look on Gretzky's face when Anson wouldn't let it go and kept attacking Russo. Gretzky wanted to crawl in a hole. 

    Then of course it was his last comment just as they were cutting away and he thought he was off mike that imo should have got him fired. 

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    The comment, " let's see how all this plays out" is interesting.  WILD FANS HAVE BEEN WAITING for 20 years.  How much longer do we have to wait to see a consistent championship caliber team?  Probably another 20 years as we keep paying exorbitant prices to fill up the X game in and game out.  I'm glad fans support the Wild so well.  We should be rewarded for it at some time.  This team IS too veteran top heavy.  It's always been frustrating to me that hockey " hot beds" like Tampa Bay and Dallas can continually be very competitive and even win the Cup and here in the frozen tundra we can't do that.  It's also frustrating that we blame injuries, poor officiating, puck luck etc for the woes of the franchise.  The TV and radio announcers spend a fair amount of time every game reminding us of this.  It's also frustrating to see the players we do send out there just going through the motions, giving very little indication they actually care.  I'm hopeful for the future but something isn't right here.  Go Wild!

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    1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

    Yeah I remember well the broadcast where Anson showed his ass. He made the entire panel uncomfortable with his remarks and it wasn't the remarks he made about the Wild's depth that was just the vehicle he used to show who he really is. I remember the look on Gretzky's face when Anson wouldn't let it go and kept attacking Russo. Gretzky wanted to crawl in a hole. 

    Then of course it was his last comment just as they were cutting away and he thought he was off mike that imo should have got him fired. 

    Honest question: why is Carter being vilified for calling out Wild’s lack of depth?

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    3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Yeah I remember well the broadcast where Anson showed his ass. He made the entire panel uncomfortable with his remarks and it wasn't the remarks he made about the Wild's depth that was just the vehicle he used to show who he really is. I remember the look on Gretzky's face when Anson wouldn't let it go and kept attacking Russo. Gretzky wanted to crawl in a hole. 

    Then of course it was his last comment just as they were cutting away and he thought he was off mike that imo should have got him fired. 

    Not good.

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Honest question: why is Carter being vilified for calling out Wild’s lack of depth?

    I was referring to this unfortunate (for Anson) moment 2 years ago. He's not wrong now. But he's still a J/A for pulling the race card on Russo back then saying "stay on code" and "sounds all white to me".

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    4 hours ago, greg said:

    The comment, " let's see how all this plays out" is interesting.  WILD FANS HAVE BEEN WAITING for 20 years.  How much longer do we have to wait to see a consistent championship caliber team?  Probably another 20 years as we keep paying exorbitant prices to fill up the X game in and game out.  I'm glad fans support the Wild so well.  We should be rewarded for it at some time.  This team IS too veteran top heavy.  It's always been frustrating to me that hockey " hot beds" like Tampa Bay and Dallas can continually be very competitive and even win the Cup and here in the frozen tundra we can't do that.  It's also frustrating that we blame injuries, poor officiating, puck luck etc for the woes of the franchise.  The TV and radio announcers spend a fair amount of time every game reminding us of this.  It's also frustrating to see the players we do send out there just going through the motions, giving very little indication they actually care.  I'm hopeful for the future but something isn't right here.  Go Wild!

    Culture and all that. I thought we were changing that but I guess not.

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    Wild just signed a new goalie from Czech. Samuel Hlavaj to a two-year, entry-level contract starting with the 2024-25 season.

    Has a pretty good history of hockey, international, and QMJHL. Looks like IA will have a new young goalie. 22 year old with some potential. Indication of moves in the goaltending department perhaps? Positioning?

    Into the off-season and around the draft table, would Gus be of interest to NHL GMs? Last year he played like a 3M+ guy. This year, he was kinda overpaid based on his performance. I think the Wild need to settle on their NHL duo and to me, MAF & the Wall sounds pretty good. Almost as good as Kaprizov & the Norwegian Hobbit.

    Lazy Gus can get traded to NJ for Graeme Clark and MN/NJ swap 1sts. That way NJ gets the goaltending they need and take a slight shave on their draft position. MN gets a forward prospect who looks good and a pick more to their liking while cutting away some cap obligation.

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    Re:  Wasting Kaprizov's prime.  The reason he isn't surrounded more is the aftershocks of Fletcher.  Fenton, to his credit, at least put some prospects in the pool that we could start with.  I can't credit him for much more, but it gave us something to build off of.  Guerin has had to pick up the pieces and lay a new foundation.  None of that is going to happen overnight.  It's all timed to start coming to fruition after the bulk of the dead cap goes away.  There wasn't much choice to do it any other way.

    Re:  20 years and still doing the same thing.  The thing is that we aren't doing the same thing.  The vets that are signed ARE the depth.  The prospects are meant to leapfrog them.  And if we have too many prospects, maybe we package a few for that pivotal piece that takes us forward to a team that can go deep in the playoffs - I'm just hoping that player is in their prime or just entering it.  I do not want a repeat of Fletcher in that regard.  We don't need additional veteran depth.  I get that people are impatient.  I am too.  But growing through the draft with a significant prospect pool is something we haven't done much of before Guerin as many of those prospects that could have made a lasting difference for the team were traded for immediate, short-lived fixes that sacrificed our future (the present and last few years) for little gain.  So this isn't the same.  Maybe it will turn into the same thing, but it's entirely incorrect to say that right now.

    Re:  Tanking and draft picks.  You can't point to a few examples of saying a team tanked and they got x and consider that evidence that every team can do that.  It usually takes a number of successful high picks to do that quickly.  If it worked so well, we'd see all the perennially bad teams in the league be playoff teams every few years.  That doesn't happen.  A team is better off identifying, developing, re-assessing, and moving players as necessary to create a solid, full team that can compete.

    In summary, we as fans are collectively too impatient to be bad for long enough that we get a ton of high picks.  The same people who frequently say we need to re-build like Chicago are the same ones who complain we are wasting Kaprizov's prime.

    Yes, we've had hope before.  Yes, we don't want to get fooled again.  However, this isn't the same path and I feel fairly strongly that this is what we didn't do in the past that we really needed to do.  Disagree if you want, but we will win a playoff series before Chicago. Hell, we'll win two before they make the playoffs.  It will likely be a couple years yet, but I feel like the future is brighter and more solid than a lot of people make it out to be.

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