Article: The Wild Should Target Mitch Marner In A Blockbuster Trade

[Kalisha Turnipseed]

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[mnhockeyfan03]

Hard pass on Marner.  He got pushed around in the first round series and wasn’t very good.  Have to give up to much for what he is paid and brings to the table.

I would like to see them go after these forwards - Necas of the hurricanes, Guentzal on a cheap homecoming deal, Perron, for Dmen J Chykrun and another right big handed Dman. Any remaining money get another good forward like duclair or buchnevich.  You will have to trade Rossi, Spurgeon, Gus, Mojo, Freddie, Beckman etc.  This would completely change the makeup of our team and make us much better. This is the big sort of offseason Billy needs to make happen.

[Citizen Strife]

Hooray for pipedreams

And no.  Marner wouldn't come here, even for that kind of money.  Getting rid of Gaudreau would be nice, but I doubt Toronto would want that.

[Citizen Strife]

Moreso than even what it would take for the trade, I worry about spending x dollars on so many people.  The Torontos and Edmontons have not succeeded putting all their eggs in 1-2 star player baskets.  Toronto screwed up even worse, giving 4 people $10m+...

I took a look at the Rangers, Hurricanes, Bruins, Avalanche, Stars, etc.  Teams that have been the top end teams for a few years.  Their teams have at most one $10-12m guy, 1-2 more $8-9m guys, and then spreading the wealth around as needed for depth.  I don't see those teams struggling to compete.  You have a couple Florida players peaking at $10m, but not much over that.  Everyone else is in the $7-9m range.

I understand the Wild's need for higher end talent, but you have a top 10 player already (for now).  Once you shave off the 13+ excess from Suter and Parise, you have Boldy at $7m for years, Ek at the stupid bargain that is $5.25m (he's producing at a $7-8m player level for so cheap, good lord).  Spurgeon/Brodin at 6-8m.  You get Faber in a $8-9m hopefully, you're kinda in line with what the rest of the league is doing.

I don't see the Wild wanting to follow the Edmonton/Toronto cap spending path since that has yet to warrant the prolonged playoff success.  The best Edmonton has gotten is a Conference final, but even having two of the absolute best hasn't been a guarantee.  I think Guerin is going to be prudent and stay more inline with league trends, even once the gloves are off, even with higher space in the future.

Edited May 10 by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

the formula is there, so now let's just replace Marner with another (i am just not a big fan of Marner)

and maybe keep Boldy and advertise instead our young rookie phenom Rossi!

let's dream - 

Andrei Svechnikov - Canes out in 4 and his wife is besty w Kap's GF

Matvei Mitchkov - Some compare him to Lemioux, some to Gretzkiy, some to Kessel. 2/3 chance he is an ok player. i'd be willing to toss Boldy back in that trade

Peter Forsberg - Nash had enough and decides to rebuild and we have a great history with them, so Leo swooops in and gets him for rossi, few firsts and a fleury!

Pacciorety - oh please NOOOO

Marchessalt - Vegas out right, good, and you know they are due for one questionable move every year, so let's be there for this one

Kevin Fiala - we all miss that guy, let's not kid ourselves!

 

 

[Mateo3xm]

No they shouldn’t. We don’t need more soft players that have issues scoring in the playoffs. Hard pass.

[Mateo3xm]

26 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

the formula is there, so now let's just replace Marner with another (i am just not a big fan of Marner)

and maybe keep Boldy and advertise instead our young rookie phenom Rossi!

let's dream - 

Andrei Svechnikov - Canes out in 4 and his wife is besty w Kap's GF

Matvei Mitchkov - Some compare him to Lemioux, some to Gretzkiy, some to Kessel. 2/3 chance he is an ok player. i'd be willing to toss Boldy back in that trade

Peter Forsberg - Nash had enough and decides to rebuild and we have a great history with them, so Leo swooops in and gets him for rossi, few firsts and a fleury!

Pacciorety - oh please NOOOO

Marchessalt - Vegas out right, good, and you know they are due for one questionable move every year, so let's be there for this one

Kevin Fiala - we all miss that guy, let's not kid ourselves!

 

 

You been hittin the beers early this morning? 😂

You must be referring to Filip Forsberg, Peter’s son lol.

if we’re dreaming why don’t we just trade for McDavid, Makar, Hellebuyck, Mckinnen as #2, Pastrnak and Tkachuk on wing and win it all! Bam! Problem solved!

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

You been hittin the beers early this morning? 😂

You must be referring to Filip Forsberg, Peter’s son lol.

if we’re dreaming why don’t we just trade for McDavid, Makar, Hellebuyck, Mckinnen as #2, Pastrnak and Tkachuk on wing and win it all! Bam! Problem solved!

you right its Filip! argh but i am sticking by all my other suggestions!

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Boldy's value on his contract is higher than Mitch Marner(cap hit of $10,903,000).

If the Wild were trading Boldy for Marner, Toronto is the one that should be sweetening the deal with picks or prospects.

[Citizen Strife]

You know they wouldn't.  They are Toronto, owner and overseer of all the NHL publicity machine.  I doubt their GM is a complete idiot, but I guarantee you the media would have a field day going, "Why should Toronto sweeten the Marner deal for fucking Boldy?"  So the GM would more than likely state the Wild need more.

Besides, Marner is a 80-90 pt guy, while Boldy is a 60-70 pt guy right now.  Dem the breaks.

[mnfaninnc]

This is an interesting option Kalisha brings up. A more aged guy but still young who has more refined skill than a current Boldy. 

Marner has the RHS and is definitely a dynamic player. How would he fair in the West? Probably pretty good in the regular season. He's really playing wing, but he could play center. Let's look at his measurements: 6' 180. So we'd be trading a guy who's 6'2" 200+ who is refining some pretty special skills and is on a pretty nice contract. She's adding Heidt, Chisholm and Gaudreau to a team that is also cap strapped. 

I realize that Brady Tkachuk isn't an RHS, but I think this is the guy we need more than anything (or a guy who can play just like him). Big, strong, physical who puts pucks in the net with a nice shot or greasy goals. He hasn't seen playoff action, but I would be surprised if he's much different than his brother or dad when he finally sees it. 

Toronto again failed in the playoffs. Ottawa hasn't made the playoffs for 7 straight years. Who would be the more desperate team? New owner, new GM, new coach, I'd argue it's Ottawa. Of course, you'd have to overpay on paper, but this is more the type of player we need. 

I believe McTavish on the Ducks is also this type of player. We need one of those guys, a guy with an unbelievable engine, silky mitts, and is large and physical, all in one package. He's also got to hate to lose. 

You know who Edmonton doesn't have? One of these guys. That's what's missing for them. Kane is the guy closest to it, but he disappears depending on how he feels. The guy who just plain hates to lose raises everyone else's game and intensity level. Foligno is kind of like that, except he can't score at will. 

[Protec]

No way! Marner and his contract orange portion thereof do not belong in MN...

The suggestion of AI writing these articles makes me wonder about who programs AI? 🙂

[Protec]

25 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

This is an interesting option Kalisha brings up. A more aged guy but still young who has more refined skill than a current Boldy. 

Marner has the RHS and is definitely a dynamic player. How would he fair in the West? Probably pretty good in the regular season. He's really playing wing, but he could play center. Let's look at his measurements: 6' 180. So we'd be trading a guy who's 6'2" 200+ who is refining some pretty special skills and is on a pretty nice contract. She's adding Heidt, Chisholm and Gaudreau to a team that is also cap strapped. 

I realize that Brady Tkachuk isn't an RHS, but I think this is the guy we need more than anything (or a guy who can play just like him). Big, strong, physical who puts pucks in the net with a nice shot or greasy goals. He hasn't seen playoff action, but I would be surprised if he's much different than his brother or dad when he finally sees it. 

Toronto again failed in the playoffs. Ottawa hasn't made the playoffs for 7 straight years. Who would be the more desperate team? New owner, new GM, new coach, I'd argue it's Ottawa. Of course, you'd have to overpay on paper, but this is more the type of player we need. 

I believe McTavish on the Ducks is also this type of player. We need one of those guys, a guy with an unbelievable engine, silky mitts, and is large and physical, all in one package. He's also got to hate to lose. 

You know who Edmonton doesn't have? One of these guys. That's what's missing for them. Kane is the guy closest to it, but he disappears depending on how he feels. The guy who just plain hates to lose raises everyone else's game and intensity level. Foligno is kind of like that, except he can't score at will. 

I'd suggest to Bill that he look at guys who are UFAs like Dakota Joshua, Michael Amadio, Steven Lorentz, Yakov Trenin, Duclair, or Guentzal up front. Depending on what you've gotta spend. Starting at the bottom with 800K guys there's players the Wild could go after in a few tiers of required AAV. You definitely want playoff guys. Tough, big players who don't get pushed around and are durable. 

Look at that list and what they've done for their cost. Add playoffs and factors I mentioned, then look at MN's forward group and you'd notice half a dozen places any of the guys I mentioned are big upgrades. Just sayin, Bill being static this Summer would be stupid.

[kirillgonkillya]

Hard no, I'd rather keep Boldy. And all the talk about trading Rossi is confusing as well. He's on an upward trajectory, was very good last year, and should be even better next year. He was one of the best in the face-off circle as well which the Wild notoriously struggle with. He's cheap right now and they need Center depth especially since Boldy is now exclusively a winger. Don't trade either.

[Patrick]

Of all the braindead trade proposals dreamed up by this chatgpt author, this is by far the worst!

[MNCountryLife]

I want bigger players that still have skill.  Boldy is still filling out and is extremely talented and 6' 2''.  You keep guys like him.   This team isn't going to win a cup next year.  Using any means necessary expunge Nojo, Freddy and Filip Gus.  The Wall is ready.  We need 1 D man that can really compete to fill out the D and a forward like Debrusk that can fit on the 2nd line and produce.  Someone in the $4m range.

[Protec]

Hopefully Boldy is at the gym right now doing squats and bench while watching Hanson Bros. or old Don Cherry vids and developing a meat-head type toughness. Confrontational and a little crazy. 

Forget golf, boxing or knife-fighting if there's time between eating steak & eggs and practicing one-timers.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

3 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

You know they wouldn't.  They are Toronto, owner and overseer of all the NHL publicity machine.  I doubt their GM is a complete idiot, but I guarantee you the media would have a field day going, "Why should Toronto sweeten the Marner deal for fucking Boldy?"  So the GM would more than likely state the Wild need more.

Besides, Marner is a 80-90 pt guy, while Boldy is a 60-70 pt guy right now.  Dem the breaks.

I'm not suggesting Toronto should do that. I'm merely stating that Boldy could easily reach 70-90 points in the near future and has a contract paying $7M per year through 2030.

Marner is at nearly $11M, possibly $12M soon, so any added value in play should be erased by the extra $4-5M salary you can use to improve your team elsewhere.

There is certainly value in getting an extra 16 points from 1 player versus 2 players, but Boldy is still improving and might quickly reach the level that Marner is at now. Also, when Austin Mathews is removed from the equation, how much would Marner's points/60 fall?

Boldy has played 250 fewer minutes the last 2 seasons and has more goals scored than Mitch Marner(60-56). How much of the assist differential is due to teammates and how much better will Boldy become in his prime- under this same contract?

[Protec]

Marner never should have got so much money to begin with. If you even consider trading for him,(any team) you're starting out with a goofed-up value on a pure skill guy which is the most Toronto thing ever. They probably wanna sign Stamkos right now and are looking for answers.

I wouldn't even take their calls. If they wanna retain about 7M, maybe I'd be willing to trade NoJo, Merrill, and the Linguinie boys but stay the heck away from a terrible Marner contract per his overall NHL value.

Danton Heinen for example is <1M and can get you like 30pts. So basically MN should be upgrading with UFAs. Currently prospects are okay, but NoJo is overpaid by that measure. The Wild could imagine a guy like Zach Hymen who's getting 5.5M and what he can do for your team compared to what Marner brings. It's like another Fiala. Great regular season stats and nothingburgerness in the playoffs... 

[Citizen Strife]

The thing is, that extra 4-5m difference already covers what a Hartman does, so 40-45 pts, and lineup versatility.  So, the Wild actually come out ahead in a sense.

[Dean]

Stamkos is who they should try for via free agency. Leadership, right shot., power play scorer . Yes the age but a motivated stamkos after Tampa plays games with him would be beneficial for us. Ek , stamkos . That’s a legit top two centers. 

[Lern2spell]

If you want to do a blockbuster trade, go for Kucherov. They are strapped salary-wise (and very top heavy), want Stamkos and Hedman to play it out and retire in Tampa, need a goalie (Gustavsson), top six foward (Rossi), depth forwards (Johansson and Gaudreau), draft picks (2025, 2026 firsts), and prospects (Haight, Beckman, and Spacek?)....Tampa stays competetive and gains a future, Wild get Kaprizov's buddy who will provide immediate scoring impact, and may help to re-sign Kap.

Might take another 2nd rounder, but Wild could get back a 3rd in 2026.

 

[Protec]

25 minutes ago, Lern2spell said:

If you want to do a blockbuster trade, go for Kucherov. They are strapped salary-wise (and very top heavy), want Stamkos and Hedman to play it out and retire in Tampa, need a goalie (Gustavsson), top six foward (Rossi), depth forwards (Johansson and Gaudreau), draft picks (2025, 2026 firsts), and prospects (Haight, Beckman, and Spacek?)....Tampa stays competetive and gains a future, Wild get Kaprizov's buddy who will provide immediate scoring impact, and may help to re-sign Kap.

Might take another 2nd rounder, but Wild could get back a 3rd in 2026.

 

It's a whopper!

Could the State of Hockey land a big one like that?

[Dean]

Kucherov? That would be nice. I like the big trade ideas. It’s time to shake things up. . 

[Pewterschmidt]

After we get kucherov, then we target mcdavid by selling nojofa, Fred, Merrill and goligiski.  Then when no one is looking do a deal for Tjazkuc.  Don’t know why more aren’t thinking of this.