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    We're in the middle of a long, boring summer in the State of Hockey, so let's take today and have some fun. Let's imagine that Gary Bettman decides to offset the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter cap hits to allow Minnesota Wild can transport a former player from their past and add them to the roster. Their cap hit has already been paid from a previous year, so would cost only a roster spot.

    But, there's a catch: It's not fair, the NHL decides, for Minnesota to add too great of a player. So we have to work around some restrictions. Said player can not have finished in the top-10 in Wild history in games played, nor in the top-5 in either goals, assists, or points, whether single-season or all-time.

    So the easiest answers: Marian Gaborik, Mikko Koivu, Zach Parise, Jason Zucker, Andrew Brunette, Ryan Suter, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Mikael Granlund, Eric Staal, Kevin Fiala, Brian Rolston, Matt Dumba, and Nick Schultz are all off the table. With 13 prominent members of Wild history all off the table, who's left? Who would you pick? Here are our thoughts for candidates:

    2013-14 Jason Pominville

    One way to start off this exercise is: Who had the best season outside of those 13 guys? As it turns out, only one eligible player has ever scored 30 goals in a Wild uniform: Jason Pominville.

    We might remember Pominville most from his abrupt decline after this season, scoring 18 goals in 2014-15, then 11, before "bouncing back" with 13 to go with 34 assists. But at the height of his powers, you had to admit: The dude could play.

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    Peak Pominville was a sneaky-good volume shooter, and he got 2.76 shots per game for Minnesota that season. It's not an outrageous mark, but the only players who've shot more times per game over their Wild career are Rolston, Kirill Kaprizov, Gaborik, Parise, Fiala, and Matt Boldy. Speaking of Boldy, that feels like a good fit for Pominville in the lineup. Peak Pominville and Boldy are both dual-threat types who can thrive off each other.

    Now, you can poo-poo his candidacy by virtue of not being a center. But Pominville could present the next-best thing: A center enhancer. A line where Marco Rossi is surrounded by 30-goal players in Pominville and Boldy could definitely work. Remember, Granlund's best season as a center came alongside Pominville in 2013-14, where he scored 41 points in 63 games. 

    Even better, Pominville's something of a playoff performer, ranking fourth all-time among Wild history in career points (23) and sixth in points per game (0.64). Is that damning with faint praise? I'd rather not think about it!

    2007-08 Brent Burns

    It's kind of surprising to see Burns fall through the cracks in our parameters, because he's maybe had the best career of any player in Wild history. Unless I've made a mistake, he's one of just four Wild players to ever have won a major award (Fleury won a Vezina, Kaprizov and Dany Heatley both won Calders). He's been a finalist for two more. He's second this century behind only Shea Weber in goals by a defenseman, and behind Erik Karlsson in points by a defenseman -- and that's only after taking out the five seasons he spent as a forward.

    But here he is, eligible to put on our team. This is by virtue of finishing just 14th in games played (453, 36 behind 10th-place Brunette), 21st in career points (183), and 26th in goals (55). We chose the 2007-08 vintage, his first year as a defenseman, over his last season as a Wild in 2011-12. Burns scored 15 goals and 43 points while driving offense better than anyone in Wild history.

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    The biggest problem with Burns is that right defense is arguably the position Minnesota needs the least help with. Jared Spurgeon is a reliable force there, at least during the regular season. (However, it should also be noted that Burns had 5 goals and 12 points in 34 playoff games in his 20s). Brock Faber is ready to step into a shutdown role with the Wild. Calen Addison just quarterbacked one of the best power plays in team history.

    But even if we're leaving something on the table at forward, Burns is a great enough player, even before his Norris Trophy contender days, that he merits consideration.

    2016-17 Nino Niederreiter

    What about a player who fits the Wild's identity as a big, fast team? Imagine the glow-up in linemates that Joel Eriksson Ek would experience going from Marcus Foligno and Jordan Greenway to Boldy and Peak Niederreiter in a year.

    Niederreiter is a version of Foligno, both being elite defensive wingers. Swap out Foligno's physicality (which Minnesota would still have anyway) for a lot more scoring touch. Boldy is something like we've always wanted to see from Greenway. Greenway was more of a finesse player, but he never shot nearly enough. And while his skill was impressive for someone his size, he was rarely capable of overwhelming his opponents. Boldy has both those qualities with elite defense, to boot.

    What if you made an entire "GREEF" line out of first-liners who dominate at 5-on-5? With Peak Nino, we'd have the answer. He was 15th in the NHL in points per hour at 5-on-5 that season, between Nikita Kucherov and T.J. Oshie. Niederreiter's position might not be of need, but the 5-on-5 scoring is for a team that finished near the bottom of the league last year.

    Plus, Niederreiter was one of the most likable players on his Wild teams, and his personality would be fun to watch in an era of Wild locker rooms where "having personality" and "being under 30" aren't major violations of the team culture.

    2006-07 Pavol Demitra

    Perhaps this very slick graphic I created describes your emotions right now.

    OK! I hear you! The only problem is the two players we'd pick to play center among former Wild players -- Staal and Koivu -- aren't available to us right now. With the clear-cut two best "pure" centers off the table, we're here to settle for... oof... Matt Cullen?

    So we're going to do the time-honored Wild tradition of throwing a wing/center 'tweener in there and hope for the best. Enter Demitra, who the Wild traded to be the playmaker and center-by-default for his fellow countryman Gaborik. Demitra put up 25 goals and 64 points in 71 games during his first season in Minnesota.

    Only 45 of those games were alongside Gaborik, but when they were together, it went according to plan. During that time, Demitra scored at a 27-goal, 82-point pace, with Gaborik set to clock 49 goals and 95 points. It's not hard to think of what to do with Demitra in today's lineup. Just throw him between Kaprizov and Mats Zuccarello, and out-score the hell out of the opposition.

    Now, is that chemistry going to live on without the bond between the two Slovaks? Probably. It's not like Demitra wasn't a scorer in the NHL. He spent the previous eight seasons dropping 552 points in 544 games with nary a Slovak in sight. He was a great player, and even entering his decline phase, he's got a resume worthy of consideration here. 

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    With the clear-cut two best "pure" centers off the table, we're here to settle for... oof... Matt Cullen?

    Cullen would be fine with me. One of the best from MN. HS, college, pro. I'm kinda insulted that you insinuate he'd be a low-class option. Great skater, smart player, special-teams guy, clutch scorer.

    Playoffs too.

     

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    1 hour ago, Sviginak said:

    Dumba signs a one year $4M with the Coyotes 

    Good for him.

     

    Now, let's get Addison signed, start camp, and see who's the first passenger(s) on the I-35 Express.

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    3 hours ago, Sviginak said:

    Dumba signs a one year $4M with the Coyotes 

    I’m a little surprised that at 29 yrs old he gets a one year prove-it deal.  The league doesn’t love Dumba’s d-game

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    10 hours ago, Protec said:

    Richard Park, Pascal Dupuis, Wes Walz. All fast, could chip in some offense and totally adequate grit.

     

    I love Wes in the booth and miss his heart n sole play on the ice. You can tell how much he cares about the game and players playing the game the right way.

    Looking back, and listening to his insight in the booth, he must have been one hell of a teammate and informal leader on that team.

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    47 minutes ago, WIWild said:

    I'm no lawyer, but I don't think the rules exclude us from returning Ryan O'Reilly to the Wild roster!  :classic_biggrin:

    Now that's thinking outside the box and would be my first choice! Good pick Sconny Wild!

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    42 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’m a little surprised that at 29 yrs old he gets a one year prove-it deal.  The league doesn’t love Dumba’s d-game

    You and me both, BUT, there are a lot of Dumba apologists out there who will overlook his play on the ice because he's a good guy. 

    We have a lot of good guys on this team and we need to make Cup decisions with hockey smarts and not our hearts for those who cant let this go!

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    12 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’m a little surprised that at 29 yrs old he gets a one year prove-it deal.  The league doesn’t love Dumba’s d-game

    $4M is solid money for a D man, and it's possible the 1-year term was Dumba's preference. Arizona isn't exactly the top team to play for these days, so committing long-term may not have been what Dumba was wanting, but it does look like they were the top bidder this year. Also could make him more likely to be traded to a contender at the trade deadline.

    With Goligoski, Zuccarello, and Fleury coming off the Wild's cap next season, it's possible that the Wild could bring him back on a deal near that number.

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    51 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    $4M is solid money for a D man, and it's possible the 1-year term was Dumba's preference. Arizona isn't exactly the top team to play for these days, so committing long-term may not have been what Dumba was wanting, but it does look like they were the top bidder this year. Also could make him more likely to be traded to a contender at the trade deadline.

    With Goligoski, Zuccarello, and Fleury coming off the Wild's cap next season, it's possible that the Wild could bring him back on a deal near that number.

    Huck, I think they are trying to drum up business for their new rink, going on a spending spree, and when they tank , like always, and like you suggested they will sell off and trade for draft capitol at the deadline.

    Unfortunately, with the depth we have in IA of "D" studs, there's no chance he's coming back here.

    If anything Zuccy signs for a team friendly contract before him.

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    1 hour ago, vonlonster67 said:

    Unfortunately, with the depth we have in IA of "D" studs, there's no chance he's coming back here.

    I'm not saying the Wild would be signing him to a 5 year deal, or that it's even highly likely they'd sign him at all. I just know that the Wild have not been eager to put 20-21 year old players back on the blue line with regularity under the current leadership.

    Merrill's contract will end the following year, and they may want to bolster their blue line with another veteran to make the competition fierce at the NHL. I also know that Guerin seemed to really like Dumba. More likely he goes elsewhere, but could happen if both parties really want him back in MN.

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    1 minute ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I'm not saying the Wild would be signing him to a 5 year deal, or that it's even highly likely they'd sign him at all. I just know that the Wild have not been eager to put 20-21 year old players back on the blue line with regularity under the current leadership.

    Merrill's contract will end the following year, and they may want to bolster their blue line with another veteran to make the competition fierce at the NHL. I also know that Guerin seemed to really like Dumba. More likely he goes elsewhere, but could happen if both parties really want him back in MN.

    True, on the 20 something, but who knows where Lambos or an older Spacek lands a year from now.

    I know money will be tight again and Dumba be now 30 money and age factor in with how inconsistent he was and the decision making.  He's not a Goose at this point in his career.

     

     

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    Faber is 20 years old.  He went straight into the playoffs.  Don't let Addison's circumstances create this narrative that we will not play young D.  It will be a player by player analysis and determination if they are ready to play.  

    And if Dumba comes back here for a Merrill type of contract... awesome.

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    20 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’m a little surprised that at 29 yrs old he gets a one year prove-it deal.  The league doesn’t love Dumba’s d-game

    I don't believe this is a "prove it" deal. I believe this is a "traded at the deadline deal" and a chance for him to reboot and take advantage of increasing cap next season type of deal. 

    Also, someone had mentioned, maybe no another thread, that AZ plays in a college arena with only 5k fans. My understanding is that the fans are closer to the ice and pretty loud. But, I'd also suggest that most teams traveling there get a home crowd advantage as their fans will be buying at least 1/2 the tickets.

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    7 hours ago, vonlonster67 said:

    If anything Zuccy signs for a team friendly contract before him.

    I can't see that happening with Yurov, Ohgren, and Khus^&* coming over next season. That spot will end up being a $5m cap savings.

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    6 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    I just know that the Wild have not been eager to put 20-21 year old players back on the blue line with regularity under the current leadership.

    I'm not sure this is fair. 1 guy fits that description and he was brutal defensively. I don't think it was because he was 20-21, I think it was because he didn't play defense while slotted in the position where you are supposed to play defense!

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    7 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I can't see that happening with Yurov, Ohgren, and Khus^&* coming over next season. That spot will end up being a $5m cap savings.

    KK makes that call....I would love to think you're right, but those two are thick as thieves and it wouldn't be $6 million, possibly $2.75/2 years. Those three will have to play out of their mind to break the lineups...maybe only Khusnutdinov. 

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    I was trying to do this in 3 phases. Looking at our goaltending, having another goalie to pair with Goose2, might be a good idea. As far as impact in games, this guy might play around 1/2 the games and play an important part in the outcome of the games. My suggestion would be a young Backy, or a pre-MS Josh Harding. Harding put up some great numbers and his illness really set this team back. It ruined Kuemper as far as we're concerned, and Backy had to try and play with a blown out groin. Harding would be my choice here as I love a righty-lefty goalie combo.

    Next would be defense. I love the Brent Burns suggestion, and this would be my pick, but I'd also like to highlight a young Marco Scandella and possibly a Nick Leddy. Burns though is too good to pass up, and according to the rules, we don't have to take our stats with him, we can take his Norris season.

    At forward, I feel like center and right hand shot are the 2 things we need the most. Demitra was a good choice, and so was Niederreiter. I'd also like to toss in Charlie Coyle. As a center, Matt Cullen would be a perfect addition. A guy who could win faceoffs, important ones, not make mistakes and do so many of the little things that never show up on the score sheet. However, according to the rules, Thomas Vanek is my choice, using a 40 goals season while he was with Buffalo. He was also much more flexible back then and a better skater. But, where he really shines is 1-timers from Ovechkin's office and tipping pucks. 

    So, out of Harding, Vanek and Burns, my choice has to be Burns. We need another guy his size, especially on the right side, and going with a Spurgeon, Faber, Burns right side is pretty stout. Burns immediately slides in with Middleton, Brodin and Spurgeon on 2nd pair. Upgrading Addison with Burns is way too good to pass up, and, I believe Burns had a little mean streak too. And, Burns on PP1, count it a win, we QB from the side wall with Zuccarello, or maybe Boldy in Boldy's office? 

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    5 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

    KK makes that call....I would love to think you're right, but those two are thick as thieves and it wouldn't be $6 million, possibly $2.75/2 years. Those three will have to play out of their mind to break the lineups...maybe only Khusnutdinov. 

    The $5m in cap savings is $6m-ELC of Yurov or Khus^&*. I would have to disagree with KK making the call. Last I checked, Shooter is still the GM and he makes those decisions. What I saw from Zuccarello from February on suggested to me that Father Time has his eyes on him, and that Zuccarello's hitting the age wall. 

    Wasn't a player making a call like that exactly why we didn't like Suter? KK wants to win more than anything. I think he'll trust Shooter to make the right moves, and he does have a relationship with Yurov.

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    I'd bring Niederreiter back today. 

    Could we throw a Dwayne Roloson, or extended peak Harding into the mix. 

     

    I bet GM BG would re-sign Clayton Stoner to a 3 year $3.3 million deal if they could.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    The $5m in cap savings is $6m-ELC of Yurov or Khus^&*. I would have to disagree with KK making the call. Last I checked, Shooter is still the GM and he makes those decisions. What I saw from Zuccarello from February on suggested to me that Father Time has his eyes on him, and that Zuccarello's hitting the age wall. 

    Wasn't a player making a call like that exactly why we didn't like Suter? KK wants to win more than anything. I think he'll trust Shooter to make the right moves, and he does have a relationship with Yurov.

    Agreed. Kaprizov isn't the GM. And Bill will surely let him know that. The Wild already were gambling big on the Zuccarello contract when Fenton signed it. Last year was a huge drop in production that literally anyone could've seen coming as he progressed in age. 

    As great as those two have been, the Wild have to get younger and faster. I wrote about how Khusnutdinov's KHL kontrakt lines up perfectly with Zuccarello's contract expiration. It makes almost too much sense. 

    https://zonecoverage.com/2022/wild/marat-khusnutdinovs-extra-time-in-the-khl-aligns-with-the-wilds-zuccarello-decision/

     

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    10 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Faber is 20 years old.  He went straight into the playoffs.  Don't let Addison's circumstances create this narrative that we will not play young D.  It will be a player by player analysis and determination if they are ready to play.  

    I'm aware. If anyone else comes in as a 2-time defensive player of the year for their conference, specifically for their defense and skating, not for offense, then I'm sure the Wild might look at them like they did Faber. I don't know that the Wild have a bunch of guys like that in the pipeline.

    Doesn't mean the Wild don't have talented guys in development, I just suspect they will want to make those guys earn a position in the top 6 rather than hand it to them. That has been how Guerin and Evason generally operate.

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