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    Tony Abbott

    If you buy into the hype, it seems like the Minnesota Wild have uncovered the NHL's latest market inefficiency: Dudes from Minnesota named Brock.

    It's easy to see why the Wild would be into that. After all, it's working out amazingly with Brock Faber. The hometown kid stepped right into an NHL lineup and has been lights-out as a top defenseman for the Wild, and the front office has made him a long-term cornerstone of the franchise.

    The Wild are about six months away from "Christmas Morning," when the worst of the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter buyouts fade off the books, allowing the team to use an influx of cap space to shore up their team. Given their investment in trading for David Jiricek, along with Zeev Buium's imminent arrival and Faber's presence, Minnesota would obviously look to upgrade at forward.

    Mikko Rantanen and Mitch Marner are the big fish of the pending UFA crop. However, all signs from insiders point to the Wild pursuing one or both of two dudes from Minnesota named Brock:

    Brock Nelson and Brock Boeser.

    From The Athletic's Michael Russo in Tuesday's mailbag with Joe Smith: "[Minnesota's] cap space isn’t infinite, but it would allow for a potential Brock Nelson signing and, truly depending on what happens with [Marco] Rossi, maybe even somebody like Brock Boeser."

    At first glance, that sounds awesome. Nelson is off to a slower-than-normal start (13 goals, 28 points in 46 games), but the 6-foot-4 center had 107 goals in the three seasons prior, with no year fewer than 34. Boeser put it all together for the Vancouver Canucks last year, notching his first 40-goal season. Who's turning down their nose at 75 goals?

    Should it be the Wild?

    The answer is, as always, Depends on money and term.

    Obviously, either would be a bargain on a sweetheart Eric Staal deal and not so much on a Leon Draisaitl-type contract. That's not a helpful answer, though, so let's attach some hard numbers to it. Using Evolving-Hockey's contract projections (which are based on last year's stats and ages), let's bump up the cap to $92.5 million and see what outputs we get for these players:

    Brock Nelson: three years, $7.81 million AAV
    Brock Boeser: seven years, $8.68 million AAV

    OK. Evolving-Hockey pegs Nelson as a shorter-term option, similar to that of Joe Pavelski (three years, $7M AAV) with the Dallas Stars in 2019, while Boeser is making top-line winger money for a long-term deal.

    Are either worth it? Both?

    At first glance, Nelson is the player who has the most red flags. Age is the biggest one; he'll turn 34 around Opening Day of the 2025-26 season. And while his status as a 6-foot-4 center would typecast him as a two-way, Joel Eriksson Ek type who can absorb those hard minutes, that's not exactly Nelson's game. Nelson is decidedly a one-way player and a defensive liability at this stage of his career.

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    So why risk getting older and worse defensively? Especially since his decline in scoring could be a sign that the years are already catching up to him.

    Normally, this would be inadvisable, but Nelson provides two things the Wild need more of. The first is his ability to drive offense, which Minnesota can use, regardless of the age that package comes in. Over the past three seasons, the Wild rank 29th in actual and expected goals per hour at 5-on-5. Both numbers are well below the New York Islanders, who most consider a punchless offensive team.

    But the other, more surprising attribute is speed. Nelson can move. And for a 6-foot-4, 33-year-old player, Nelson can really move. His bursts above 20 mph rank him among the NHL's best.

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    When most people talk about the attributes the Wild lack, the people focus on size. Arguably, their greater weakness is their speed. Minnesota has some quick forwards (Kirill Kaprizov comes to mind) but lack high-end speed. Their team speed has improved due to internal improvements (namely, Marco Rossi) and adding Yakov Trenin. Still, adding Nelson's wheels would add another mobile center to the mix, which is always helpful.

    And again, there's Nelson's nose for the net. Over the past four seasons, he's tied with Carter Verhaeghe for the 12th-most 5-on-5 goals in the NHL with 77, one more than Kaprizov. From his age-29-to-32 seasons, he ranks among the most efficient goal-scorers in his age group during the Analytics Era.

    Most 5-on-5 Goals Per Hour, Ages 29 to 32:

    Max Pacioretty (2018-22): 1.20
    Alex Ovechkin (2015-19): 1.19
    Brad Marchand (2017-21): 1.19
    Brock Nelson (2021-25): 1.18
    Jeff Skinner (2021-25): 1.18
    Rick Nash (2013-17): 1.18

    At least among those players, when they're scoring at that level in their early 30s, the bigger risk factor is injury, not decline. Ovechkin is a freak, so no one can count on Nelson bumping his goals per hour figure into the 1.41 range, as Ovi did from ages-33-to-35. But in Marchand's next three seasons, he averaged a still-strong 0.89 goals per hour, and even an injury-plagued Nash scored 1.03 goals per hour when he could play.

    It's not going to be risk-free, by any means, but you can do a lot worse in signing 34-year-olds than with a big, fast, scoring center in Nelson.

    So, what about Boeser? He seems like an ideal grab in free agency: A 40-goal scorer hitting the market at age 28. If you're going to invest seven years and big dollars into free agency, Boeser is the right age to do that.

    However, the Burnsville Brock has some red flags of his own, and his might be even brighter than Nelson's. Much like Nelson, Boeser's defensive value is also in the bottom 10th percentile.

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    Ironically, Boeser's defense might be more alarming because of his age. In his prime, Nelson was about replacement-level defensively. He didn't necessarily add value but also wasn't a liability. When he got into his early 30s, his defense started dropping off. While it's a problem, it doesn't eat away at his overall value too much.

    Minnesota would have Boeser at the tail end of his prime to start with, but once he gets to his early 30s, it's a safe bet that his defensive play will start to slip, and there's nowhere to fall from where he is except to bottom-of-the-barrel. 

    Boeser also lacks the speed element that Nelson would bring; he's one of the slowest top-six forwards in the NHL. That's also not something that improves as a player transitions from their prime to their early 30s.

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    Speed is far from the end-all, be-all for a forward, but lacking it does come with inherent limitations. Boeser is all but eliminated as a puck-carrying option for his line, and when a player isn't able to offer much in the defensive or neutral zones, they need a superpower to make it work. Credit to Boeser, his shot is a superpower that makes his overall game work. It's one of the hardest and most accurate in the NHL. 

    But when you think of the hardest declines in Wild history, two names come to mind: Dany Heatley and Thomas Vanek, who cratered in value in their early 30s. What did they have in common? Heatley and Vanek were slow skaters and weak defenders who relied on elite shots.

    It was game over for Heatley once he lost the zip on his shot. Vanek's hands still made him a viable offensive player in Minnesota. However, his defense dropped off from "bad" to "worst in the league" territory, making him unfit for anything but power play specialist duties late in his career. Boeser might be able to break out of that trend, but 40-goal-scorer or not, that feels like a bad bet to risk a seven-year deal on.

    That's especially true when you factor in positional value. Nelson's a natural center, but his speed and goal-scoring should translate to the wing if the need ever arose. With Eriksson Ek and Rossi in-house and prospects like Danila Yurov, Riley Heidt, and Charlie Stramel on the way, a Wild team with Nelson would have the flexibility to put their three best centers in the middle while still having spots for the remaining players on the wing.

    Boeser would hamper that kind of flexibility. If Yurov or Heidt can't hold down the pivot, or if Stramel can't make an NHL top-nine, the move would be to shift them to the wing. But if Boeser, Kaprizov, and Matt Boldy are all high-scoring, big-money wingers, that leaves just one top-six winger position available. Should the Wild want to pay top-dollar for a free-agent winger if it means shutting Yurov, Heidt, or Liam Öhgren of an opportunity to make an impact?

    Ultimately, neither player comes without major upside and risk. The best move could be to keep building internally or target players from other organizations, similar to how the Wild landed David Jiricek.

    It'd also maybe be nice for the Wild to be able to realistically be able to attract a free agent that wasn't born within a six-hour drive of Minnesota. But as counterintuitive as it may sound to go with an older player in free agency, if the Wild end up having to choose between the two Brocks, Nelson seems like the player that makes more sense, and Boeser may be just a bit too risky for the Wild to pursue at all.

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    17 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The money the Wild have after signing Kaprizov and Rossi to extensions will tell the tale.  I shudder to think spending another $7-8m on either of the Brocks if they have defensive liability.  If you can get Nelson for a little cheaper, he at least has that coveted positional flexibility.

    With the cap going up a lot very soon, Rossi would be smart to do a shorter deal (3 years?) and bet on himself. Whether that's with us or another team.

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    2 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Rossi would be smart to do a shorter deal (3 years?) and bet on himself.

    This is best case scenrio for Wild fans.  Hopefully we re-sign him for 3 years.  It's like buying a put option on Rossi's development.  If he becomes a superstar over next three years and we pay him OR we deal him for assets because all our can't miss prospects have bloomed into roses by then.  BG should hope for that optionality in the future.

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    Thank you Tony for a comprehensive perspective on the Brocks. It was good and balanced!

    At this point, I would be unwilling to do Nelson at $7m, I'd be more inclined at $2.9m to do something. Perhaps this is way too much of a discount, but he's gaining years and his current deal is paying him $4m this year. 

    Is it the system or not that makes these guys defensive liabilities? I don't think so. Both the Islanders and Canucks are playing structured defensive systems this year. If they are liabilities in this type of system, they will be here too. 

    Tony's 2nd to last paragraph probably is where I stand on the Brocks, promote from within, stand clear of them. But this is just for the Brocks. I stand still for a Tuch trade deal and re-signing him. I'd also like another RHS piece if we can find it, and also someone who plays a bit mean with skill just like Tuch. 

    I don't think we, as a team, lack skill. I think we, as a team, lack grit among our skilled players, and that would be the thing that needs shoring up, multifaceted players who can bring the crunch along with the points. At this point, it seems we have players who are either/or, not and, and this was necessary due to the buyouts. We had to pick up guys who lacked in one of the areas. 

    If it were me trying to build the team, what I would want to do is keep the 2015 draft guys, Ek and Kaprizov. Those are your veteran leaders. I wouldn't mind adding another one from that draft class. Tuch was the year before but in the same grouping. Then I'd try and load up on draft classes of '20-22 and have 7 or 8 players from that grouping. Faber and Jiricek traded in from those classes was a good move. That's your core. 

    And then you backfill with other pieces to get the balance you need. Brodin is a good piece for that, Midsy too. Let your core eat minutes and play fast, wear the other teams down. I'd like to save enough room to have a hired gun come in at the TDL when we are contending, but no more Hanzals and Pomenvilles, guys who play playoff type hockey. XGMCF had no clue on how a locker room worked. At least Shooter has that going for him. 

    Rantanen would probably be a nice piece, he's a very large body, but does he play large, or does he mainly shield the puck? I think a guy who's more like Landeskog (a player that Ohgren really admires), is the kind of thing we need, but I'm not sure Landeskog will ever be the same again. 

    I guess the best way of putting this is that we need more than Jack Russells on the team. We need a couple of Dobermans and maybe a Pit Bull or 2. Guys who have the skill but somehow find that extra gear and extra intensity at the times it is needed the most. I don't think either Brock gets us there. 

    ODC-you've been confused over Brock Nelson's injury status. Could you be mixing him up with Anders Lee?

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    6 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Thank you Tony for a comprehensive perspective on the Brocks. It was good and balanced!

    At this point, I would be unwilling to do Nelson at $7m, I'd be more inclined at $2.9m to do something. Perhaps this is way too much of a discount, but he's gaining years and his current deal is paying him $4m this year. 

    Is it the system or not that makes these guys defensive liabilities? I don't think so. Both the Islanders and Canucks are playing structured defensive systems this year. If they are liabilities in this type of system, they will be here too. 

    Tony's 2nd to last paragraph probably is where I stand on the Brocks, promote from within, stand clear of them. But this is just for the Brocks. I stand still for a Tuch trade deal and re-signing him. I'd also like another RHS piece if we can find it, and also someone who plays a bit mean with skill just like Tuch. 

    I don't think we, as a team, lack skill. I think we, as a team, lack grit among our skilled players, and that would be the thing that needs shoring up, multifaceted players who can bring the crunch along with the points. At this point, it seems we have players who are either/or, not and, and this was necessary due to the buyouts. We had to pick up guys who lacked in one of the areas. 

    If it were me trying to build the team, what I would want to do is keep the 2015 draft guys, Ek and Kaprizov. Those are your veteran leaders. I wouldn't mind adding another one from that draft class. Tuch was the year before but in the same grouping. Then I'd try and load up on draft classes of '20-22 and have 7 or 8 players from that grouping. Faber and Jiricek traded in from those classes was a good move. That's your core. 

    And then you backfill with other pieces to get the balance you need. Brodin is a good piece for that, Midsy too. Let your core eat minutes and play fast, wear the other teams down. I'd like to save enough room to have a hired gun come in at the TDL when we are contending, but no more Hanzals and Pomenvilles, guys who play playoff type hockey. XGMCF had no clue on how a locker room worked. At least Shooter has that going for him. 

    Rantanen would probably be a nice piece, he's a very large body, but does he play large, or does he mainly shield the puck? I think a guy who's more like Landeskog (a player that Ohgren really admires), is the kind of thing we need, but I'm not sure Landeskog will ever be the same again. 

    I guess the best way of putting this is that we need more than Jack Russells on the team. We need a couple of Dobermans and maybe a Pit Bull or 2. Guys who have the skill but somehow find that extra gear and extra intensity at the times it is needed the most. I don't think either Brock gets us there. 

    ODC-you've been confused over Brock Nelson's injury status. Could you be mixing him up with Anders Lee?

    i think it was Larkin 🙂 or maybe Nelson just looks injured? he has that wary bruised face that says - i've suffered things.

    i'll add a couple of things to your post -

    • let's not commit unnecessary money that could be combined and spent better....should nelson $ be anywhere from 4-6 range (which is very likely to be) = that is money that could be used for other needs (Kap, More Attractive FA)
    • Rantannen would be a monster signing as he is that monster player, just not sure how realistic it is for him to leave CO and for him to leave to a Central foe? But if Ranty wants 12, you pay him immediately - and forget any thought of additional Brocks....hence be wise with $  (Landy is likely done playing)
    • Realistically - i think Billy already has a vision and it's Nelson or nothing this year. But if we are to dream - i agree with you on Tuch, but i'll add Miller up there (really to me - that kind of a player does not normally become available and should he - you jump) and would be fine if Ek goes out for Miller (i think issue with him are overblown and to give Kap another superstar (which i feel Miller still is and will be for the next 2-3 years) is worth the gamble
    • Under the radar good trade option - give SEA some prospects not Zeev/Yurov and maybe Foligno! (give them a collection from his best fights) and bring in Yanni

     

     

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    This is best case scenrio for Wild fans.  Hopefully we re-sign him for 3 years.  It's like buying a put option on Rossi's development.  If he becomes a superstar over next three years and we pay him OR we deal him for assets because all our can't miss prospects have bloomed into roses by then.  BG should hope for that optionality in the future.

    very unlikely he settles for that given that Wild may bring in a FA and we have Yurov arrival....this may mean less time and less production and less money....

    but if he wants a bridge - done

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    4 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

    Can this Brock skate? (Is he big enough for the playoffs?)
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    If he was faster than McDavid and had better hands than Datsyuk, then he would be good enough for ODC's third line!

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    On 1/23/2025 at 5:07 PM, Dango said:

    I have a feeling Rantanen is going get 12 mill  but im no expert on those things.

    Well, after the trade to Carolina I am guessing we will not be getting him.  Reading up on the trade it looks like he is looking for an 8 year 14 mill per contract and the Avs did not want to give him that. Can’t imagine us doing that either.  Assuming Carolina is planning to.  If not that is one hell of an all in move for this year.

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    Er, well..... the Rantanen talk can die the F*** out now.

    He just got traded to Carolina for Necas, Drury, a 2nd and a 4th. All part of a 3 way trade between Colorado, Chicago, and Carolina.

    Carolina also got Hall in the trade from Chicago. While Chicago got a 3rd from Carolina for retaining half of Rantanen's contract.

    Hall must've gone for future considerations, since Chicago seems to just be dumping his contract.

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    At least Rantanen is out of the conference. I'm sure Colorado didn't want him too close.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out for both Colorado and Carolina. I always felt the earlier you can pull the trigger on a trade the better rather than waiting right up to the deadline.  Necas is no Rantanen so it will be interesting to see if Colorado can keep pace after a seismic shift or if Rantanen thrives in Carolina or does a Stamkos. As I like to say players aren't always plug and play. 

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    3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Necas is no Rantanen

    Agree but Necas projects to be a beast in next few years.  Another master class move by Sakic?

    1) avoiding a 15M contract

     2) getting an up and coming stud we’ll have to fear for next 5 years at affordable price

     I’d bet on sakic in this one

    a team budget can only handle so many 15M contracts so this could look real smart if necas becomes a stud 

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    37 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Agree but Necas projects to be a beast in next few years.  Another master class move by Sakic?

    Necas at half the cost of Rantanen next season. That leaves room for another impact player. That was my argument against trading Boldy for him. Rantanen's team is saying $12.5M is not enough. Sounds like that's where Colorado was likely willing to go to keep his deal just below McKinnon.

    Rantanen at $14M might be a fine deal for some team, but I agree it's hard to have a lot of guys in that range. One would think they don't make the deal without being confident they can sign him.

    Carolina has a bunch of cap space next season, but trying to re-sign Rantanen and Orlov while replacing Brent Burns could use up a lot of it. They'll need to sign a 2nd goalie and several depth forwards as well.

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    Ranty is gone to the east - great news for Wild! Why? Cause Necas is not in the same class as Ranty and now Avs ARE beatable!

    this is another Tuch for Eichel move and Avs are not getting Eichel

    money talk is fine but loosing a stud like Ranty is going to hurt …. Yeah I know that in theory you can replace him with Necas plus ….. plus what? Sum of these two parts won’t likely come close to Ranty 

    canes will pay him 12-14 and be fine w that

    cap will be at 100 soon so it’s going to be a steal

    shit I wonder if we could have sent them boldy for him? 🤔

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Carolina has a bunch of cap space next season, but trying to re-sign Rantanen and Orlov while replacing Brent Burns could use up a lot of it. They'll need to sign a 2nd goalie and several depth forwards as well.

    Carolina has also been marinating prospects all over the place. They've got a couple of real good ones in the K. They've also got a defenseman waiting for an opening. I think they're going young and will have space to put Rantanen's deal. Since he and Aho are close, I'd say he's staying. 

    Their centers are Aho, Staal, Kotkaniemi and a 4th guy. I think a #2 center is needed. They may have one of those stashed away in the A somewhere, or are planning to get one in free agency. 

    Goaltending is an issue, and I'd suggest it's not a #2 but a #1 that they need. Waddell never really cared about the position and filled it adequately. I think an above average 'tender with their structure would thrive. To me, I think Orlov and Burns are gone.

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    26 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    shit I wonder if we could have sent them boldy for him? 🤔

    We would have had to use the same 3rd party channels to get the cap number down. Not sure how they see Boldy. I think Shooter is much fonder of Boldy than Tulsky and Waddell were of Necas. 

    I would rather keep what we've got and add Tuch than sell what we've got to add Rantanen. Just personal opinion as I see a lot of growth room in Boldy still. I agree he's not there yet at this snapshot, but believe he's trending that way. He's just in a temporary plateau right now. But, Boldy is doing better than last season (more physical and north-south play).

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    3 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    We would have had to use the same 3rd party channels to get the cap number down. Not sure how they see Boldy. I think Shooter is much fonder of Boldy than Tulsky and Waddell were of Necas. 

    I would rather keep what we've got and add Tuch than sell what we've got to add Rantanen. Just personal opinion as I see a lot of growth room in Boldy still. I agree he's not there yet at this snapshot, but believe he's trending that way. He's just in a temporary plateau right now. But, Boldy is doing better than last season (more physical and north-south play).

    keeping Boldy and adding Tuch (while sacrificing none of the core) is good. but keeping Boldy and adding Nelson is another story.....i think reality - Tuch is likely not in the cards, and we get Nelson....

    Boldy plus Nelson would get about the same $ per year as Ranty .... does the impact from that combo trump that from one Ranty? I'd go with Ranty. 

     

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    The Wild should prioritize a player who is worth the money, rather than spending big bucks on a player in decline. I am in favor of making a trade for Elias Petterson, as he fills multiple needs. The Wild should also move on from Spurgeon and Merrill. The Wild should use the Spurgeon cap space to afford Petterson, while still having cap room to sign a free agent winger as part of Leopolds Christmas in July spending.

    Line 1 - Petterson, Kaprizov, Yurov

    Line 2 - Rossi, Boldy, free agent signing

    Line 3 - Ek, Ohgren, Foligno

    Line 4 - Stramel, Zuccarello, other prospect

    D1 - Faber, Buium

    D2 - Brodin, Middleton

    D3 - Jiricik, Chisholm

    G1 - Gus Bus

    G2 - Wallstedt

    Bench - budget contracts

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    16 hours ago, Quebec1648 said:

    The Wild should also move on from Spurgeon and Merrill. The Wild should use the Spurgeon cap space to afford Petterson, while still having cap room to sign a free agent winger as part of Leopolds Christmas in July spending.

    This is a good statement and probably something we should hope for from our perspective, but it is completely from our perspective. Who would we pawn off Spurgy with? Well, that's a different question. Merrill drops off after the season. 

    I, also, would like to get someone dynamic like Pettersson, and think he'd fit in very well with this team. However, the problem this team has is they've got grit in the bottom 6 and skill in the top 6, and they don't intersect. What is needed is grit and skill up and down the lineup, and for that we need....NEED....skill guys with grit. This is the main reason for targeting Tuch. This is why ODC recommends Miller. This is why a few of us have targeted Tkachuk. Those guys bring the grit and skill in the top 6, and the grit + skill is what is needed. 

    One problem our bottom 6 has: Actually catching the skill guys on the other team. For Foligno, Trenin, Hartman, they line a guy up and just as quickly he moves the puck and they are too far away for the finishing crunch. Guys like Lauko are invaluable because they can actually catch the skill guys. So can Ek, who is our only gritty top 6er. Boldy should be one, but just isn't there yet, and he can go finesse at the drop of a hat. 

    Zuccarello showed a bit of grit last night taking Andersson to the ice. Maybe feeding him a diet focused on spinach would help here? This is a roster construction issue that needs to be fixed. Tuch can help, but I think we need 2 guys there. The Wildcard here is we don't really know how much Yurov has grown and how gritty he is. He could be that 2nd piece. So, you could actually have a top 6 next season looking like:

    • Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov
    • Yurov-Rossi-Tuch

    You could mix and match them through the year. For me, Tuch is the must. Look at that top 6, it's way out of balance with LHS. Tuch adds at least 1 RHS, speed, size, meanness, that is not currently there. 

    Some may ask, what happened to Zuccy? Well, you'd intermix him in here too, but keep him down to 4th line minutes (not 4th line talent). Based upon the previous 2 seasons, Zuccy would be in there because one of these guys will often be out of the lineup. Zuccy as the 7th top 6 is a nice thing to have. 

    This is just the forwards. I think our defense will be excellent with or without Spurgeon. However, finding a fit for him elsewhere may be too much of a challenge to complete.

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