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  • Trading Marco Rossi Is Acting Like the Flames and Sabres, Not the Panthers


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    Tom Schreier

    There’s an alternate universe where people called South Florida’s hockey team the “Block Busters.” 

    The Florida Panthers’ founding owner, Wayne Huizenga, wanted to name them after his video rental chain. However, aside from their early success, the Panthers mostly languished at the bottom of the league. For years, it felt like Huizenga should have named them after his other companies. AutoNation because they were made up of spare parts, or Waste Management because they were mostly garbage.

    However, the Panthers started to transform from prey to predators during the quarantine season. They qualified for the bubble playoffs in 2019-20, marking only their fourth playoff appearance since reaching the Stanley Cup Finals in 1996. Five seasons later, they’re back-to-back champions.

    Nobody was talking about sunshine and tax breaks when Brad Boyes was Florida’s leading scorer in 2013-14. However, unlike many of the NHL’s best teams, the Panthers aren’t homegrown. They picked Matthew Tkachuk and Sam Bennett off the dysfunctional Calgary Flames. Florida also grabbed its leading scorer, Sam Reinhart, from the Buffalo Sabres, who haven’t been to the playoffs since 2010-11.

    Florida is the kind of team that would capitalize on Minnesota’s longstanding mismanagement of Marco Rossi

    The Rossi saga becomes increasingly perplexing the longer Minnesota drags it out. The Wild drafted a nearly NHL-ready player at a position of need. During the quarantine, he suffered from a COVID-related heart condition but returned to playing condition in 2021.

    Then things got weird.

    In 2021-22, Rossi had 53 points in 63 AHL games but only played two games with the Wild. A year later, he started the season in St. Paul but only had one point in his first 19 games. The Wild sent him down to Iowa and never recalled him, even though he had 51 points in 53 AHL games.

    Rossi has produced 100 points in the past two years and played 82 games in each season. He centered the first line when Joel Eriksson Ek was out and had two goals and an assist in the playoffs this year. Still, the Wild haven’t committed to Rossi long-term. A team that needs center depth is turning him into the next Matt Dumba, a skilled player perpetually on the trade block.

    Bill Guerin was a 6-foot-2, 22o lbs. power forward who played well into his 30s. That’s likely why he tends to prefer large, experienced players; Rossi is a 5-foot-9, 180 lbs., 23-year-old center. The Wild also has team control over Rossi because he’s a restricted free agent. Perhaps there’s tension between Guerin and Rossi’s camp, who can’t be happy with how they’ve managed him, and it’s bled into their negotiations.

    Regardless, Rossi fits a need for the Wild, and they’ve treated the former ninth-overall pick like a player they took a late-round flyer on. 

    Danila Yurov is one of Minnesota’s first-round selections in 2022 and is coming over from Russia next year. Even if Yurov takes over the No. 2 center spot next year, he’ll likely have an adjustment period. Still, if Yurov takes over the second-line center spot, Rossi is an ideal third center. He can play in the top 6 if Eriksson Ek or Yurov get hurt, or solidify a viable third line. 

    Even if the Wild must play him on the fly during road playoff games, deploying him over the boards during the course of play, they can play matchups at home. Rossi proved that he can score in the postseason, even though he was on the fourth line this year. Imagine what he could do on a line with a goalscoring winger.

    Guerin has managed the roster well in some capacity. He has Matt Boldy, Brock Faber, and Eriksson Ek on favorable contracts. However, like every general manager, he’ll have to balance offering a competitive contract to players who will want more money with the rising cap, while also considering the players he has under contract whom the Wild signed at a lower average annual value.

    Rossi also isn’t his top priority this offseason; he must re-sign Kirill Kaprizov. Still, Rossi is part of the formula for breaking out of the Wild’s first-round spell. 

    Good teams are deep at center, and Rossi is the perfect 3C. Still, Guerin appears to be concerned about his size, despite his production. If the Wild don’t commit to Rossi, some other team will come in and scoop him up. If that happens, Minnesota would lose talent because of mismanagement.

    They would be acting more like Calgary or Buffalo than Florida.

     

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    1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

    i think Kap realizes that he needs someone to watch his back. he sees how brutal the POs are and he sees no one that can step in for him. seriously - that has to be major point - he is probably the only one that can get physical but why would you want to ask him to do that? so Billy is working to get him a physical top 6 linemate. that's why it's easier for Sasha to play in FL - with crazy Matthew and even crazier Bennett around. Kap needs that. He doesn't need Rossi. 

    I never said Kap does or does not need Rossi.  Simply pointing out that Rossi not being signed does not mean Kap does not want him here.   Besides, more than likely Kap plays with Ek and isn’t even on the same line as Rossi.

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    4 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    No.

    Tarasenko called Kirill while deciding to waive his no trade clause to go to Minnesota, which means the trade was already in motion. What you're describing would be tampering. 

    you don't think Kap and Vlady talked about them playing together? everyone does that. yes that's tempering - but NHL is not really enforcing (nor could they) this policy much. 

    it's very clear that decisions are ran by Kap, if not the entire leadership group - which makes sense. if leaders stated they need Rossi - do you honestly think that Bill will go against that? 

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    2 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    Don't bother trying to explain your position, boss, I already know it.

    "I would simply trade Rossi for the biggest, best players in the league."

    God damn, it's so simple!!

    i love how you and your minions jump and twist my words so that you can ridicule me. that's fine, go for it. when you have an actual response - post it.

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    Just now, OldDutchChip said:

    i love how you and your minions jump and twist my words so that you can ridicule me. that's fine, go for it. when you have an actual response - post it.

    "You want to sign Rossi... that means you don't want the team to improve???"

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    4 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

    I never said Kap does or does not need Rossi.  Simply pointing out that Rossi not being signed does not mean Kap does not want him here.   Besides, more than likely Kap plays with Ek and isn’t even on the same line as Rossi.

    do you think Kap has influence?

    do you think Kap is asked of the direction the team is taking?

    i do think he is being asked and i do think that he believes the team is imbalanced - with too many soft players occupying top 6 roles. 

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    2 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    "It's very clear"

    Why? Because the Wild made a trade for a guy they got for free?

    they got tarasenko and are paying him 4.5 mil. you know that's 4.5 mil more than free? the guy that was a ghost these last few years but Kap said - YES. and Kap hasn't said a word on Rossi!

    tell me this - if Kap tells Bill - i need Rossi - do you think Bill will not sign Rossi? 

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    1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

    do you think Kap has influence?

    do you think Kap is asked of the direction the team is taking?

    i do think he is being asked and i do think that he believes the team is imbalanced - with too many soft players occupying top 6 roles. 

    OK, but without anything but "I think" behind it, you should probably admit that you're writing fan fiction.

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    3 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    OK, but without anything but "I think" behind it, you should probably admit that you're writing fan fiction.

    do you think Kap has influence?

    do you think Kap is asked of the direction the team is taking?

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    9 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    How about Zona, Wildguy, Tony and Tom state their proposal clearly. You are the GM. Tell the site - what would you do with Rossi. Give us your actual number. What is it?  8 X 8? 10, 11? 

    And also tell us if Zuccy, Rossi, Kap, Boldy, Ek and Yurov and Tarasenko will scare anyone in the PO?

    Damnit, ODC, I wasn't going to read and respond to you but you've baited me back in!

    I'll preface my comments by writing what I wrote months ago; I would have signed Rossi to the Boldy contract (7/7) last season so there wouldn't be any distractions and added stability. I would have committed to the kid, which IMO would have led to a more productive season and less distracting crap.

    But you ask what I would do now to clean up Billy's mess. I would let this play out and let the market decide the number. If he gets offer-sheeted I match it and sign him. If he doesn't get an offer sheet I have a conversation with his agent and work out a deal. What's the number attached to the deal? Unlike OCL and GMBG, I don't show my hand. I would remind the agent that there wasn't an offer sheet so other teams are valuing Rossi at probably less than $7M AAV. The dollar amount would be contingent on the terms of the contract (length, movement clauses, etc). Done deal and everyone's happy except for ODC and the Rossi haters.

    As far as the second part of your question, we're stuck with Zuccarello this season like it or not, so whether or not he is scary is irrelevant. He's part of the team so figure out how best to use him and take advantage of what he has left to give.

    Yurov and Tarasenko are question marks. Yurov is an unknown commodity and Tarasenko was a known commodity in the past but unknown now. Fear the unknown until it becomes known.

    Rossi, Kaprizov, Boldy and Ek drive offense, offensive zone possession, and they put the puck in the back of the net. That should be and is a concern to any opposing team that faces any line combination using those four. The biggest problem the Wild have is not the top line, it's the bottom nine.

    A better question is: Do Hartman, Johansson, Trenin, Foligno, Sturm, Ohgren, et al scare other teams. My answer to that question is a resounding 'No' and that's where the Wild need to focus more. A one or two line team is easier to defend than a deep three or four line team (just ask Edmonton, especially if the defense and goaltending isn't up to par).

    OK, ODC, I took the bait. Run to the toilet, do your business, see what your used bathroom tissue is telling you and respond.

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    1 minute ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    Damnit, ODC, I wasn't going to read and respond to you but you've baited me back in!

    I'll preface my comments by writing what I wrote months ago; I would have signed Rossi to the Boldy contract (7/7) last season so there wouldn't be any distractions and added stability. I would have committed to the kid, which IMO would have led to a more productive season and less distracting crap.

    But you ask what I would do now to clean up Billy's mess. I would let this play out and let the market decide the number. If he gets offer-sheeted I match it and sign him. If he doesn't get an offer sheet I have a conversation with his agent and work out a deal. What's the number attached to the deal? Unlike OCL and GMBG, I don't show my hand. I would remind the agent that there wasn't an offer sheet so other teams are valuing Rossi at probably less than $7M AAV. The dollar amount would be contingent on the terms of the contract (length, movement clauses, etc). Done deal and everyone's happy except for ODC and the Rossi haters.

    As far as the second part of your question, we're stuck with Zuccarello this season like it or not, so whether or not he is scary is irrelevant. He's part of the team so figure out how best to use him and take advantage of what he has left to give.

    Yurov and Tarasenko are question marks. Yurov is an unknown commodity and Tarasenko was a known commodity in the past but unknown now. Fear the unknown until it becomes known.

    Rossi, Kaprizov, Boldy and Ek drive offense, offensive zone possession, and they put the puck in the back of the net. That should be and is a concern to any opposing team that faces any line combination using those four. The biggest problem the Wild have is not the top line, it's the bottom nine.

    A better question is: Do Hartman, Johansson, Trenin, Foligno, Sturm, Ohgren, et al scare other teams. My answer to that question is a resounding 'No' and that's where the Wild need to focus more. A one or two line team is easier to defend than a deep three or four line team (just ask Edmonton, especially if the defense and goaltending isn't up to par).

    OK, ODC, I took the bait. Run to the toilet, do your business, see what your used bathroom tissue is telling you and respond.

    you are so smart Zona, you must have finished all of your puree! good for you!

    so you think Rossi Kap and Boldy and Ek are enough to take us over the top? With Kap having entered the prime of his years - you would be ok with just going with wait and see? did you forget (oh why do i ask - of course you did!) that vegas lined up and punished us using physicality in their top 6? The same is true for all the other West contenders! 

    A one or two line team is easier to defend than a deep three or four line team (just ask Edmonton, especially if the defense and goaltending isn't up to par). did you forget (again) that EDM made it to the finals two years in a row? oh the horror! are you saying our G or D is not up to par? you do know that Gus played amazing and we have still a very solid core with Jiri and Zeev too? 

    Harty, Foligno, Trenin is what's wrong? Have you not seen the PO? you probably don't remember - so maybe take a break - rewatch the highlights and come back and we can chat! 🍻

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    5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:
    • Rossi has lost the locker room, unlike Tkachuk and Bennett and Dumba
    • He was demoted for his play and looked disinterested at the most important time
    • We are in the driver seat so Rossi will just have to wait his turn

    Sometimes I really wonder where you get all this nonsense from 

    Only thing mildly correct that Rossi s performance at tail end of season was below his own season average .Inclusive playoff .

    But only part is down to Rossi . Lets be realistic here Kaprisov and Erikkson Ek played COMBINED only 5 games more then Rossi 

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    37 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    you are so smart Zona, you must have finished all of your puree! good for you!

    so you think Rossi Kap and Boldy and Ek are enough to take us over the top? With Kap having entered the prime of his years - you would be ok with just going with wait and see? did you forget (oh why do i ask - of course you did!) that vegas lined up and punished us using physicality in their top 6? The same is true for all the other West contenders! 

    A one or two line team is easier to defend than a deep three or four line team (just ask Edmonton, especially if the defense and goaltending isn't up to par). did you forget (again) that EDM made it to the finals two years in a row? oh the horror! are you saying our G or D is not up to par? you do know that Gus played amazing and we have still a very solid core with Jiri and Zeev too? 

    Harty, Foligno, Trenin is what's wrong? Have you not seen the PO? you probably don't remember - so maybe take a break - rewatch the highlights and come back and we can chat! 🍻

    WOW! Hard to respond to this one so I'm not going to. You must have needed the plunger to get that wad of paper to flush!

    So long, ODC. I won't be taking the bait again.

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    13 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

    Sometimes I really wonder where you get all this nonsense from 

    Only thing mildly correct that Rossi s performance at tail end of season was below his own season average .Inclusive playoff .

    But only part is down to Rossi . Lets be realistic here Kaprisov and Erikkson Ek played COMBINED only 5 games more then Rossi 

    But only part is down to Rossi . Lets be realistic here Kaprisov and Erikkson Ek played COMBINED only 5 games more then Rossi  do me a favor - read it at least once before you press submit. 

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    5 minutes ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    WOW! Hard to respond to this one so I'm not going to. You must have needed the plunger to get that wad of paper to flush!

    So long, ODC. I won't be taking the bait again.

    you promise?

    why don't you talk to gonzo - he seems to be near your level

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    1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

    what would you do with Rossi.

    Continue with negotiations for a fair contract with team/player. Probably 3-5 years at around $6.5M. Express to Rossi what his role with the team will be. Let him know everyone wins when he’s successful. Make it clear that the team isn’t caving in to all of his agent’s demands. 

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    Tom, Tony, Luke, Neil and others... I can't imagine how frustrating it must be sometimes putting out great content and reading responsive posts from a few mental midgets. From most of the posts that I read, the vast majority of HW readers are great people that I would enjoy sitting down with and talking hockey over a beer. And then there are a very few of the others.

    Please keep on doing what you're doing for the benefit of the many and just shrug off the few.

    Thank you!

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    4 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Continue with negotiations for a fair contract with team/player. Probably 3-5 years at around $6.5M. Express to Rossi what his role with the team will be. Let him know everyone wins when he’s successful. Make it clear that the team isn’t caving in to all of his agent’s demands. 

    exactly! 

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    2 minutes ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    Tom, Tony, Luke, Neil and others... I can't imagine how frustrating it must be sometimes putting out great content and reading responsive posts from a few mental midgets. From most of the posts that I read, the vast majority of HW readers are great people that I would enjoy sitting down with and talking hockey over a beer. And then there are a very few of the others.

    Please keep on doing what you're doing for the benefit of the many and just shrug off the few.

    Thank you!

    reading responsive posts from a few mental midgets.

    this is not the first time you initiate the game of insults. i ask you to please stop that because it's really not the reason why we are here. if you want to continue, then i will do the same, i am not a saint, so i can follow suit. 

    understood?

     

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    4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    But only part is down to Rossi . Lets be realistic here Kaprisov and Erikkson Ek played COMBINED only 5 games more then Rossi  do me a favor - read it at least once before you press submit. 

    What is exactly incorrect .Kaprisov played 41 games EEK 46 games 

    That's according to NHL .And players with injuries are not on the score sheet or are able to give the team points

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    26 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

    What is exactly incorrect .Kaprisov played 41 games EEK 46 games 

    That's according to NHL .And players with injuries are not on the score sheet or are able to give the team points

    What is the point?

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