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  • The Wild Should Empty the Cupboards For Sidney Crosby If He Becomes Available


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    Tony Abbott

    There's an unwritten rule of serious hockey analysis: Don't ever mention trading for Sidney Crosby.

    The Pittsburgh Penguins have missed the playoffs three straight seasons and are going on an eighth-straight year of not winning a playoff round. All through that, Crosby has been steadfast in his commitment to staying in Pittsburgh. His priority is to be a lifelong Penguin. He's made his money, he's won his Stanley Cups, so he doesn't have to chase either. Imagining he'll get traded -- much less to an NHL backwater like the Minnesota Wild -- is a pointless exercise.

    But in the euphoria of the Quinn Hughes trade, Michael Russo went on Sportsnet 590 on Monday and half-jokingly suggested, "I think there might be one veteran center out there that [Bill Guerin would] probably give up a lot for, but I don't even wanna start those rumors."

    Sorry, Michael. This is going to be Apology 1 of 2 today.

    Look, Sportsnet's hosts were egging Russo on a bit. It was a joke, I get it. But then he elaborated his thoughts on the matter on his "Worst Seats in the House" podcast from Monday night, responding to a question about the possibility of trading for Crosby.

    "I think [a Crosby trade] will be a storyline after the Olympics, right before the trade deadline. And I have no doubt in my mind that Billy will get in on that," he said. "The question in my mind is, what do you give up? What if they ask for Jesper Wallstedt? Are you giving up Jesper Wallstedt for a 38-year-old center? So what could the Wild package to get him?"

    The crowd at the live taping shouted "no," and Russo's co-host concurred. The Wild just spent their blue-chip No. 1 Defenseman of the Future to get nothing more than a year-and-a-half guaranteed from Hughes. Giving up more pieces? A 23-year-old blue-chip goalie of the future in Wallstedt, or a 21-year-old rookie like Danila Yurov, a center who's already muscling into the Wild's top-six? For ages 38 and 39 of Crosby? Come on, that's too much mortgaging of the future.

    Here's Apology No. 2, Michael (and Wild fans, and half the Hockey Wilderness staff): What are we even talking about here? It's Sidney G--d--- Crosby. If he's available (and, again! Huge if!), empty the cupboards. Tell Judd Brackett he'll have to make do with fourth-round picks until the 2030s. Who cares???

    It's understandable if "Wanting Sidney Crosby" reads like Bill Guerin buying into his most frustrating tendencies. Yes, Guerin is prone to adding players in their 30s and not worrying too much about their decline years. Between Marc-Andre Fleury, Ian Cole, Nick Bonino, Nick Bjugstad, and Ryan Reaves, Guerin has had a fondness for trying to recapture the magic he saw as an Assistant GM in Pittsburgh. There are plenty of Wild fans primed to reject the idea of giving up pieces to get another aging Penguin.

    But also... It's Sidney Freaking Crosby. It doesn't matter if he's 38. Guerin should be willing to do just about anything he can to get him on his team. 

    The simple fact is that Crosby, at 38, is still better than most players at 28. He is tied for fifth in the NHL in goals with 19, the same as Connor Bedard, Brad Marchand, and Bo Horvat. That's just one fewer than Kirill Kaprizov (28 years old) and one more than Matt Boldy (24 years old). His 34 points are in the league's top-25, tied with 29-year-old William Nylander

    It feels stupid to say that Crosby checks all the boxes of what the Wild need, because as we've established, he's still Sidney Crosby. He's a center who plays nearly 20 minutes a night and wins 55% of his draws. His scoring touch is still intact. Even if his two-way game has slipped, he still drives the puck into the offensive zone at an elite level. That's before we get into any intangibles, his track record in high-stakes games, or the hardware on his shelves.

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    Having an eye on the future is smart for teams, but it's just as important to know when "The Future" will never be as good as "Right Now." If the Wild get any chance of landing Crosby, they'd have the best winger in the Western Conference in Kaprizov. They'd have the West's (and league's) consensus second-best defenseman in Hughes. Among Western Conference centers, Crosby would only be behind Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and Nathan MacKinnon. Jack Eichel would be the only other center even in that conversation.

    In this pipe-dream, I'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it scenario, there's not a team in the West that can match that. Minnesota would become instant favorites over anyone except the Colorado Avalanche, or maybe the Edmonton Oilers. 

    So why do any prospect-hugging? No future is going to be better than that, and if two years of Crosby means sending away young talent like Wallstedt or Yurov, so be it.

    Nobody would even have argued that Wallstedt is untouchable as recently as November 1. Yes, Wallstedt is at the top of his game now, with a staggering .937 save percentage. His brilliance was the driving force of the Wild turning their season around, going from well outside the playoff bubble to a team that can attract Hughes. He looks like the next Andrei Vasilevskiy or Henrik Lundqvist, and what idiot would give that up for a 38-year-old?

    That's how it feels right now, absolutely. But we're also talking about 12 games. It shows proof of concept for Wallstedt, which was badly needed after a difficult season last year. Beyond that, though, it doesn't really tell us anything about what he'll be in five years or ten. Goalies get hot sometimes. Wallstedt has a long way to go before proving it, and if his stock is raised to the point where he could get someone like Crosby, that would be potentially selling high.

    It's a similar situation with Yurov. Sure, he could be a top-six center, a building block for the team. He's played better than his eight points in 26 games would suggest. But for a team going all-in, finding elite talent over the next two, three, or four years will have more value to this team's window than worrying about anything beyond 2030 or so.

    Obviously, Crosby is probably the most extreme (and unrealistic!) example of getting a "Win Now" player, but this discussion shouldn't be limited to him. With Kaprizov and Hughes together, the window is now, and it extends to the point where Kaprizov ages out of being an elite player and/or Hughes leaves the organization. That might be a half-decade or more, but Guerin and the Wild are really only guaranteed that window for two more years. 

    Guerin still needs to manage his assets wisely. No one wants to see the Wild trade Wallstedt, Yurov, or anyone else to land the next Martin Hanzal. But if Zeev Buium was on the table, then everyone's on the table for an elite player who can elevate this club in their guaranteed window. Whether it's Crosby (probably not!) or any player who fits that build (whoever that might be!), the Wild will be more than justified in forgoing the future for today.

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    The only big name I want Guerin to add, is Brady Tkachuk (or his brother). Even then, I would reject the idea of trading Yurov or Wallstedt. 

    The Wild have to balance making a serious playoff run now, without completely mortgaging the farm.

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    Within KK's career, hopefully QH's also, while here with the Wild, I keep foreshadowing 3 chances of the Wild in the SC Finals.  An All-In showdown for 1 season / 1 chance with an MVP triplet tends to never go a MN sports teams' way.  Call me naive, but let's finally build a cup-worthy dynasty over many seasons, by not freely giving away our growing assets.  

    Adding QH to me means we can now attract and fill a 1C or 2C that is great on the dots.  It's going to be costly, yes, but we have a few roster slots that cost more than than should for what we get in return.  Coughing up Yurov or Wally means we regress and back to perpetually mediocrity the league thinks we are, with more hot and cold streaks than Nicolas Cage.  

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    10 hours ago, Quebec1648 said:

    The only big name I want Guerin to add, is Brady Tkachuk (or his brother). Even then, I would reject the idea of trading Yurov or Wallstedt. 

    The Wild have to balance making a serious playoff run now, without completely mortgaging the farm.

    You're not getting a Tkachuk without adding at least one of those two, and likely both, to the deal lol. 

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    Its definitely a conundrum. Unlike Buium, it seems like both Yurov and Wallstedt are capable of making big contributions to the club without lowering the floor by giving them ample NHL icetime. I think that's a big part of the reason that both were safe from being included in the deal for Hughes. 

    Idk that I want to see us give up on them right now though. They're both playing so well and both are so cheap for the next couple seasons that they're a huge value for a team that's going to need cap-space for next year if they want to continue to add pieces. 

    If I were Billy, I'd be trying to get the most bang for my buck. Crosby would cost too much. What about Ryan O'Reilly though? Nashville is allegedly treating him like he has a NTC, so that will limit the places he's willing to go, which means you shouldn't have to pay a premium for him. And he's just as good at faceoffs as Crosby and has a history of clutch play in the post-season as well. Plus he's on a cheap AAV for this year and next. 

    He'd be a great fit for this team, you wouldn't have to worry about putting Ek with Kaprizov in the playoffs to protect him because ROR can do that just as capably. If he came here, he'd have a great shot at another Cup and could really put us over the top without costing us a Yurov or Wallstedt (even if that's what they'd be hoping for.) We've got other prospects and a 2027/2028 1st we could offer the Preds instead.

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    It would be great to have Sidney, but the cupboards are already pretty empty and getting rid of more of the future would lead the squad to become more pathetic than Buffalo. 

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    1 hour ago, Fezig said:

    It would be great to have Sidney, but the cupboards are already pretty empty and getting rid of more of the future would lead the squad to become more pathetic than Buffalo. 

    They're definitely not empty. He has a 1st round pick in 2027 and 2028 he could offer up. If we're giving up a 2028 pick, hopefully it would be to land a big fish with some term. IE a Tage Thompson, potentially. 

    We also have some players who are doing great in the NCAA right now in Stramel and Ritchie. 

    It would hurt, but there's also Yurov and Wallstedt with no trade protection. I'm not a big fan of trading off Wallstedt and I've enjoyed watching Yurov this year.. but if it takes a Yurov to land a Tage Thompson (or a Jack Hughes?!) I'm absolutely fine cashing in that long-term potential for a win-now option just like they did with Zeev for Hughes. 

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    47 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    That Tarasenko guy might have something left after all. Quite the game on Tuesday for his Russian line with Yurov and Trenin.

    It just had the feel of Russia night. Vodka for everyone after the game?

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    Hear me out...

    SillyG signed Jack Johnson to the PTO earlier this year in order to grease the skids in getting a Penguins reunion.  JJ's PTO was entirely to get him reach out to Sid to feel him out to come back and re-live their glory days of Shattucks.

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    SillyG not offering Johnson a contract meant that Sid poured cold water on the whole shebang, and didn't want to grab a Fleury-esque final lap with MN.

    I'm pretty sure Guerin already tried this, but Sid politely turned them down.  Sid's going to retire a Penguin, it wouldn't feel right to go down any other way.

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    I was thinking something similar to what Tony is thinking, but I only think that Crosby would come here IF he asked to. And, he's at the stage of his career where he could do that. If he did so, I would think the return wouldn't be such that it would affect his shot at the Cup, and to do that, I think the Wild need The Wall and Yurov. 

    I like the ROR idea put forth by BK and ODC. That does solve a problem, and he may even be a bit hungrier than Crosby. 

    The problem I'm seeing with any team in the East is that I can look on Monday or Friday and many of the playoff positions have changed. Buffalo is more in the chase than anyone thinks, one heater and they could be in. And one losing streak and a 2nd place team now could be out. That being said, I think for Dumas, playoffs are important, and in the East, anything can happen now that FL has injuries. 

    So, for me, the availability of Crosby is very shadowy. Nashville, however, looks about a half step ahead of Vancouver right now, so I'd think ROR would be available. Heck, Stamkos already is. He's been here once, maybe we just reacquire him? And, I've always admired his 200' game and lack of taking penalties. 

    I still think it's futures and prospects we need to be sending the other way, not rostered players. I believe we need those rookies badly. Yes, it's Sidney Crosby, but he doesn't play the full 60 minutes. Only the goalies do that. There's got to be somebody left over, and we're not getting anywhere with the Jones' and Pitlicks still playing a role.

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    That Tarasenko guy might have something left after all. Quite the game on Tuesday for his Russian line with Yurov and Trenin.

    A round of borscht for the table!!

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    Absolument pas.   

    I think Wally and Yurov have something.  Wally for sure.  There is a decade of beyond solid goaltending with that guy and Crosby is nearing the end.

    I might feel differently about letting one of them go for somebody in a universe where Hughes had already signed an extension with the Wild and you were sure that deal was not going to blow up in our faces.

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    2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    That Tarasenko guy might have something left after all. Quite the game on Tuesday for his Russian line with Yurov and Trenin.

    I know, right!? That line was hot all night. If that can continue....

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    You don't empty what's left in the cupboards for one shot. If you are going to empty the cupboards it should be for someone that can contribute for years.

    I can't imagine a bigger train wreck than over spending on Crosby and getting bounced in the first round and then Quinn not re-signing. I guess MN would finally learn what a true rebuild looks like if that all happens. 

    Tage Thompson would probably cost the same but be a significantly better value and addition. I don't think Jersey would ever part with Jack Hughes. I'm sure they believe Quinn will still end up there some day, even though they wouldn't "sack up" for him right now (he ain't happy about that).

    Anybody watching Zegras this season? He was very getable. Another C, that actually contributes, would come in handy right about now. Too bad the Wild chose Tarastanko (minus last nights' aberration). 

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    The Faber/Hughes connection has been amazing to watch.  They exit the zone quickly and with puck control.  Several times the 2 of them led the offensive charge up the ice.  Really fun to watch two D-men take control.  It was very noticable when they were not paired together as well.

    BG just pulled off a historic trade and everyone is looking for the next one.  I'm still enjoying this one.  I would expect the next one happen much closer to the TDL.

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    Are you dumb? If your trade Wall you don't have a backup goalie! You risk the farm to hope Gus plays all the games? Gus to the IR and the dream and the future are gone! Write better!

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    What do the Wild look like when or if they ever get completely healthy? Who are the odd guys out? The Hughes trade reduced the logjam at forward by shipping out two and getting none in return. 

    Forwards: Kaprizov, Boldy, Ek, Yurov, Johansson, Zuccarello, Hartman, Tarasenko, Foligno, Sturm, Trenin, Hinostroza

    Out: Pitlick, Jones, Aube-Kubel

    Defense: Faber, Hughes, Spurgeon, Brodin, Bogosian, Middleton 

    Out: Jiricek, Hunt

    Even with the Hughes trade, this team, specifically the forward group, does not look like a Cup contender or even a deep playoff run team. They are overachievers now due to rock solid goalie play and strong defensive play.

    Their style of play works in the regular season against Eastern Conference teams that they only face twice a season. It does not work in Western Conference playoff series when opponents adapt and adjust and the Wild don't or can't. The addition of Hughes will help, but I don't think it will be enough. 

    Ek, Yurov and Sturm are the centers on the roster with Hartman filling in. The glaring deficiency is at the center position. Crosby would be an amazing add but it isn't going to happen. ROR looks like the best answer at the moment. I think I heard that Jiricek loves country music!

     

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