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  • The Wild and Hockey World Are Overthinking It With Marco Rossi


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    Tony Abbott

    The Marco Rossi Discourse has officially detached itself from reality. 

    We just saw the Florida Panthers build a dynasty on a foundation rehabilitating former top-10 picks that were unhappy, coming off a down year, or both. Sam Reinhart (No. 2 overall in 2014), Seth Jones (No. 4 in 2013), Sam Bennett (No. 4 in 2014), and Matthew Tkachuk (No. 6 in 2016). They made bets -- sometimes massive bets -- on top talent and hoped their organization would figure it out.

    This is a copycat league, as they say. Yet, as the Minnesota Wild's top-six center is coming off a career-high 60-point season at the age of 23, no one seems to want him particularly badly. Least of all, as much as GM Bill Guerin has tried to downplay it, the historically center-starved Wild, who've been rumored to be looking at trading him for the last two summers. Or three, since he might be on the move this week.

    Whether trying to low-ball Guerin on a player he doesn't seem particularly committed to, similarly worried about his size, or scared off by the fact that the Wild demoted and kept him on the fourth line in the playoffs, teams aren't biting.

    The Vancouver Canucks are believed to have only offered the 15th overall pick in tonight's draft for him. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Sabres apparently turned down an offer of Marco Rossi and "another roster player and/or prospects and picks" for JJ Peterka, according to The Athletic's Michael Russo.

    Instead, Buffalo flipped Peterka for 25-year-old Michael Kesselring and 23-year-old Josh Doan. Combined, the two players have a career 4.9 Standings Points Above Replacement in 218 games, per Evolving-Hockey. That's just barely more than Rossi had over 82 games last season (4.4 SPAR).

    We don't specifically know what was offered alongside Rossi, of course, and Kesselring being a right-shot defenseman does fill a need. Still... what are we doing here? We're living in Bizarro World when it comes to Rossi. 

    The Athletic's Shayna Goldman, one of the brightest minds in hockey analysis, wrote about the apprehensions teams may have for Rossi:

    Issue number two revolves around whether Rossi can drive his own line or is just a passenger to Kirill Kaprizov. ... These two do mesh well together. In 407 five-on-five minutes together this year, the Wild earned a 57 percent expected goal rate and outscored opponents 24-16. Rossi was still above break-even in expected and actual goals without Kaprizov, but wasn’t as in control.

    No one on earth is going to suggest that Kaprizov isn't the primary driving force on any line he's on. Kaprizov carries the puck and can do dynamic things with it as a playmaker or shooter. We've seen Kaprizov elevate Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy. It's ludicrous to say that Rossi isn't benefiting from Kaprizov when the two are on the ice together.

    Still, that doesn't mean that Rossi can't drive play in his own right. We have a growing amount of evidence that he does drive play.

    407 minutes with Kaprizov at 5-on-5 means that Rossi played 815 minutes without Kaprizov. During that time, Rossi still managed to out-score opponents 32-27 (54% goal share) with a 52.8% expected goal share. That includes a long stretch of the season when Kaprizov was injured -- and remember, this was not a good team without Kaprizov.

    From Christmas until Kaprizov's permanent return on April 9, the Wild were 29th in goal share (43.5%) and 25th in expected goal share (47.5%). During that time, Rossi was above-water in goal share (54.6%) and expected goal share (51.2%). Among Wild forwards, only Ryan Hartman and the heavily sheltered Vinnie Hinostroza could claim to be above water in both categories.

    Rossi's season wasn't a product of playing with a superstar. He consistently made other players better, almost to a person. When you examine what players did with and without Rossi, it's impossible not to notice a pattern.

    Minnesota Wild Forwards, 2024-25
    With and Without Rossi at 5-on-5

    Mats Zuccarello

    Time On Ice With vs WO: 651 / 407
    GF% With vs WO: 56.2 / 41.0
    xGF% With vs WO: 52.7 / 44.1

    Matt Boldy 

    TOI With vs WO: 559 / 695
    GF% With vs WO: 57.2 / 48.4
    xGF% With vs WO: 52.0 / 53.7

    Kirill Kaprizov

    TOI With vs WO: 408 / 317
    GF% With vs WO: 60.4 / 57.6
    xGF% With vs WO: 57.4 / 52.7

    Marcus Johansson

    TOI With vs WO: 191 / 831
    GF% With vs WO: 62.4 / 42.6
    xGF% With vs WO: 57.5 / 46.6

    Marcus Foligno

    TOI With vs WO: 185 / 755
    GF% With vs WO: 57.5 / 53.1
    xGF% With vs WO: 63.7 / 54.6

    Ryan Hartman

    TOI With vs WO: 159 / 745
    GF% With vs WO: 60.1 / 47.6
    xGF% With vs WO: 55.4 / 50.8

    That's everyone who played 100-plus 5-on-5 minutes with Rossi last year. The only player who didn't see a bump in both their actual and expected goal share was Boldy, who finished only slightly higher in xGF% without Rossi at center. It's a difficult pattern to deny.

    It makes sense, then, that Goldman's article included this graphic, which shows just how strong Rossi's game is at both ends of the ice:

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    And again, it feels like we're in Bizarro World. How can the Wild doubt his play and the results to this degree? Why are they stubbornly refusing to pay more than $5 million AAV for a player who's asking for $7 million and whose market value is over $8 million? There's a bargain to be had for seven or eight years!

    Take it! How is this hard?!

    Now it seems like Guerin has not only Galaxy Brained himself on this, but the NHL might be, too. Teams may be waiting for July 1 to snipe Rossi with an offer sheet that Minnesota would be unwilling to match. Still, if a team like Buffalo is passing on Rossi and more in a trade, then maybe the lack of trade interest is real. We'll find out in the coming days. 

    Whatever the resolution, though, this has been an incredibly bizarre series of events for Rossi. Any other center at his age -- with his production, work ethic, and character -- would never hit the market. And if they did, teams would be lining up to improve their center depth with a talented, goal-scoring, point-producing center.

    Here we are, though, with Rossi on the market and teams saying "Pass."

    It'd be one thing if Rossi hadn't proven he could hang at the position. But he has! Yet, from what we know today, it's done almost nothing for his stock, inside and outside the organization. We're going past this situation being an irrational farce and heading to the point where we completely break with reality. Whoever is first to come to their senses is going to get a hell of a player on a great deal, and the State of Hockey should be hoping it's Guerin.

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    20 hours ago, fikifuka said:

    I'm sure he'll get at least 6,5/ 3 years or 7/longterm next week

    Agree on these numbers. The Rossi “drama” is starting to feel more like a made for tv miniseries. Even with hard headed negotiations going on, unless a player goes completely team friendly (JT in Toronto) teams and agents get funneled towards middle ground $. 

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    57 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    you offer $6m

    I think he’s getting $6.5 minimum. I’m hoping for a three year deal. Let’s see if Rossi can build on what he’s accomplished. He could be packaged and moved for a true 1C in a couple of years. The cupboards are really bare this offseason. On a positive note I’m pretty sure KK is extending in MN. Remember last year it wasn’t looking as certain. 

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    22 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

    I think he’s getting $6.5 minimum. I’m hoping for a three year deal. Let’s see if Rossi can build on what he’s accomplished. He could be packaged and moved for a true 1C in a couple of years. The cupboards are really bare this offseason. On a positive note I’m pretty sure KK is extending in MN. Remember last year it wasn’t looking as certain. 

    Very true. Unless a deal opens up - you keep.

    Agree on Kap - in his interview (w Rus newspaper) he kinda confirmed so too. 

    🤞🏻

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    2 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Agree on these numbers. The Rossi “drama” is starting to feel more like a made for tv miniseries. Even with hard headed negotiations going on, unless a player goes completely team friendly (JT in Toronto) teams and agents get funneled towards middle ground $. 

    With most valuable FA centers gone/already signed, Rossi transforms to a blue chip on the market the closer July 1 appears. Will get more and more expensive for MIN to match the offer sheet, I guess.

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    58 minutes ago, fikifuka said:

    offer sheet,

    Gets a lot of air play but in reality pretty rare. Like a dozen total since the NHL has added the salary cap. Last year was a grudge playing out between folks in management and friends who they thought got done wrong by Edmonton. Maybe it’s just me, and I’m no expert, but I think people in media just repeat what other people are saying. 

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    22 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    you realize that Freddy actually played PK? if you just look at minutes 5 v 5 - it was very evenly distributed among bottom 6 players. 

    I wonder why…

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    On 6/27/2025 at 1:15 PM, OldDutchChip said:

    this was not just a center for a center. you specified Rossi as untouchable in that trade (elite? no Rossi is not that) to bring a difference maker in, thinking Rossi was going to be that soon. He is not. 

    Ek + Rossi + Pick for Eichel would have been enough. You then have Boldy Kap and Eichel to build off.

    The point was to be careful at saying that your thoughts are the only right ones. You were wrong about Rossi before. Eichel is a monster of a player, whereas Rossi is still wearing diapers on the ice. 

    Not trading Rossi for Eichel was not the right move. But, hindsight is always 20/20. But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be caution trading Rossi. I am no professional scout, but his point totals, size and draft profile are not far from Brayden Point. He could easily develop into someone like that, especially if he can elevate his skating.

    One thing that I haven't heard discussed, is whether part of the issue at hand is simply that Vegas was a bad matchup for Rossi. Unless you are Edmonton trying to get past Florida, I am not sure trading a player away because he struggles against 1/32 teams is prudent. 

    And he did struggle at the end of the season, but seemed to be beat up. We know he took a puck to the knee against Seattle and wasn't playing 100% the next game or so.  He is one of the few players that made it 82 games, and the Wild don't make the playoffs without him. I am fine trading Rossi if the return is right, but I don't know how you trade Rossi and get a better center back in this market. 

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    36 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

    Gets a lot of air play but in reality pretty rare. Like a dozen total since the NHL has added the salary cap. Last year was a grudge playing out between folks in management and friends who they thought got done wrong by Edmonton. Maybe it’s just me, and I’m no expert, but I think people in media just repeat what other people are saying. 

    My assumption that offer-sheeting becomes a more attractive option is based on the fact that there is a lot more cap space in the market for years to come. If you don't care too much about picks + want add depth to your roster + have enough cap space it is a good strategy. And even more when you know that the other GM (BG) wants to get rid of the player. 

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    1 hour ago, PNW Wild said:

    Not trading Rossi for Eichel was not the right move. But, hindsight is always 20/20. But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be caution trading Rossi. I am no professional scout, but his point totals, size and draft profile are not far from Brayden Point. He could easily develop into someone like that, especially if he can elevate his skating.

    One thing that I haven't heard discussed, is whether part of the issue at hand is simply that Vegas was a bad matchup for Rossi. Unless you are Edmonton trying to get past Florida, I am not sure trading a player away because he struggles against 1/32 teams is prudent. 

    And he did struggle at the end of the season, but seemed to be beat up. We know he took a puck to the knee against Seattle and wasn't playing 100% the next game or so.  He is one of the few players that made it 82 games, and the Wild don't make the playoffs without him. I am fine trading Rossi if the return is right, but I don't know how you trade Rossi and get a better center back in this market. 

    thanks for a thoughtful response! well stated sir! 🍻

    the part about bad matchup could be true, but given the make up of central teams and overall increase in intensity in the Playoffs - this is likely a norm. he may develop muscle and strength in the future to be ready for that. he wasn't ready this year. 

    which is the core issue. do we prioritize his development (roll the dice to see if he becomes the second coming of marchand and point) or act to try to get the piece that we need. i think i'd pick the more aggressive approach that would include trading off the future for the now (assuming Kap stays). i could be wrong and wild could never win - but a fate that of Edmonton is not a bad fate at all. 

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    Overthinking it to death. 

    What a frickin gong-show. Guerin has telegraphed the truth and is trying to play off an admission they took Rossi when they needed/wanted Lundell. 

    Personally, I believe teams can see that plain as day and look back to Rossi dropping to 9th in the first place. It confirms to them that they don't wanna pay a high price so Guerin is stuck with the player that he's now insulted and offended while showing the league they're frick'n idiots cause they picked him despite him being the opposite of what they want which is an Ek/Koivu 2.0. 

    Fools. They created the drama. Now they're gonna have to live with the consequences. MN is dangerously close to a Vancouver/NTR type meltdown like we just witnessed.  

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    6 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    which is the core issue. do we prioritize his development (roll the dice to see if he becomes the second coming of marchand and point) or act to try to get the piece that we need. i think i'd pick the more aggressive approach that would include trading off the future for the now

    I don't' necessarily disagree, but I doubt there is any team willing to trade a center as good or better than Rossi out there. Jack Eichel trades are pretty rare. I would be intrigued by Tomas Hertl, but he has virtually a no-trade and Vegas isn't taking Rossi for him. They would want to shed $ for a Marner deal.

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