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  • The Johansson Deal Shows That New Freedoms Won't Break Guerin's Old Habits


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    Tony Abbott

    Limitations and restrictions breed creativity. The Minnesota Wild have dealt with them during the crushing burden of the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter buyouts. If there's something Bill Guerin has excelled at during that time, it's finding ways to squeeze value out of zero cap space. Retaining Ryan Hartman on a pay cut in 2021, acquiring Jake Middleton for nothing from the San Jose Sharks, and plucking Freddy Gaudreau from obscurity are prime examples.

    Once Guerin finds these bargains, he's been loath to let them go. Hartman is in the second year of a 3-year, $4 million AAV contract. Middleton is entering his second contract with the team, with Minnesota on the hook for four years and $4.35M AAV. Gaudreau is in the third year of a five-year, $2.1M AAV deal. 

    These deals seemed like a general manager stretching out as many pennies as possible to make an awful salary cap situation work. With the buyout handcuffs off, would we see a new, aggressive Guerin?

    It's only June 2, but Minnesota retaining Marcus Johansson ahead of free agency appears to somewhat answer our question. The one-year, $800K contract doesn't preclude the Wild from taking a big swing this summer, far from it. However, it indicates that stability is still king in St. Paul, and Guerin's commitment to keeping his guys around was about more than his financial limitations.

    There's not much to say about the contract itself. It's just $25K above the league-minimum salary, and Johansson is more-or-less a replacement-level player. Over his past two seasons (on a similarly-bargain 2-year, $2M AAV contract), Johansson has been a solid defensive player, though one that was a non-factor offensively. He delivered 1.0 Standings Points Above Replacement in 150 games over the life of the deal, per Evolving-Hockey.

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    Is it a "good" contract? Sure, probably. But the value they're getting on the contract is immaterial at this point. Much like the Gustav Nyquist trade deadline acquisition, the price is less important than the lack of creativity and urgency to improve the team. Assuming the Wild's top line has Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy on it, Minnesota's middle-six forwards are littered with 30-plus-year-olds who've been around the team for years with zero postseason success.

    Behold, Minnesota will start next season with:

    Marcus Foligno, 34, six playoff series in Minnesota
    Mats Zuccarello, 38, five playoff series in Minnesota
    Ryan Hartman, 31, five playoff series in Minnesota
    Marcus Johansson, 35, three playoff series in Minnesota
    Freddy Gaudreau, 32, three playoff series in Minnesota

    Throw in Yakov Trenin, a 28-year-old grinder with 15 points last season, and that's six of nine spots held by veteran players who will almost certainly have an everyday role in 2025-26. 

    Do the math here. That's nine forward spots of 12 that are gone. If the Wild keep Marco Rossi, take off another spot. Suppose Guerin fulfills his wish list and gets "centers" and "a scoring winger," that's all 12 forward spots filled.

    This is all happening as the Wild's two first-round picks from the 2022 Draft are knocking on the door. Liam Öhgren scored 19 goals and 37 points in 41 games for a not-very-good Iowa Wild team. Danila Yurov is about to make his much-anticipated NHL debut and has an out clause to join the KHL if he can't find a place in the lineup. That gets much harder if, say, Johansson draws in for 70 games on the third line.

    And for what upside? At the trade deadline in 2023, Johansson caught lightning in a bottle when he scored six goals and 18 points in 20 games alongside Boldy and Eriksson Ek. Since then, Johansson has had two 11-goal campaigns, averaging 32 points. At 35, that lightning isn't coming back. Still, Johansson is despite two underwhelming seasons.

    In fairness, teams need depth, and the Wild would always need to sign some cheap veterans to take-a-flier deals. But instead of using it as an opportunity to find a decent, devalued asset who might offer something new -- again, something Guerin's front office has proven that they can do well -- they're recycling the same old thing. 

    Stability isn't a terrible thing in and of itself. Stagnation is, though. Minnesota already had a locker room full of Guerin-type veterans and limited spots to give to their young players. What's the obsession with running back the over-30 core of a team that, time and again, has shown they can't get it done in the postseason?

    Next month, Guerin will have an opportunity to blow us away with his creativity, and some great moves will put this minor signing on the back burner. But this contract hints that even with the Wild's newfound financial freedom, they're perhaps still stuck in their old, cap-strapped mindset. 

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    Billl Guerin is an idiot and I absolutely think he is NOT the guy to turn this team around. I think personality wise based on articles from Russo and the Athletic that he's a piece of shit human. I also think he's a terrible GM that is more interested in signing players "like him" than he is on icing the best talent. His obsession with signing aging vets is problematic.

    The fact that signing somebody to a 1-year contact at less than 1 million dollars is going to stir controversy and strong opinions is enough of an indicator that this team is headed in the wrong direction.

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    2 minutes ago, TCMooch said:

    Billl Guerin is an idiot and I absolutely think he is NOT the guy to turn this team around. I think personality wise based on articles from Russo and the Athletic that he's a piece of shit human. I also think he's a terrible GM that is more interested in signing players "like him" than he is on icing the best talent. His obsession with signing aging vets is problematic.

    The fact that signing somebody to a 1-year contact at less than 1 million dollars is going to stir controversy and strong opinions is enough of an indicator that this team is headed in the wrong direction.

    I agree.

    The only thing that might make sense with this is if NoJo will be competing for a spot on the 4th line.

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    This is all moot if Guerin actually finds a good player that is a no-brainer 1st/2nd line guy, maybe two or three.  It only sucks if Mojo is 2nd line wing by default again.  THAT would be true failure.

    A fast moving 30 point player making league minimum is hardly an issue if he's depth only.  Next you're gonna tell me Gaudreau is worthless or something.

    I want Ohgren and Yurov to be studs.  But the Ohgren we saw last year was barely as good as Johansson.  He has to find a gear that makes him qualified to be a 2nd or 3rd line guy over a vet.

     

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    I'm clearly not a Nojo fan.  But at league minimum for a guy that can fill in adequately without giving up goals and play a structured team game that isn't a bad signing.  Can't believe I just supported the Nojo signing.  But he does need to stay in the press box most of the season.

    The article does make an excellent point though.  Our 2nd line is Zuc, Hartman and Foligno.  That is a good 3rd line... but not a 2nd.   Our lineup.

    1)  Boldy, Ek, Kirill

    2)  Ogren, Yurov, Rossi

    3)  Zuc, Hartman, Foligno

    4)  Freddy, Trenin, Vinnie

    We are asking a lot of that 2nd line with 2 rookies.  Rossi is the only Legit Line 2 guy.  Our 4th line has issues as well.  It isn't Freddy's game to play physical and Vinnie just doesn't have it.  If we want to win it needs to be more like the following.

    1)  Boldy, Ek, Kirill

    2) ?, Rossi ?

    3)  Ogren, Yurov, Zuc

    4)  Hartman, Trenin, Foligno

    Yep, we are missing two essential line 2 players... and that is if we keep Rossi and Ogren and Yurov make it.  Big Question marks there... Good Luck BG.

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    Fred G and Jo Jo take up roster spots and have proven to be worthless bottom six guys on a  team trying to win a playoff round. .whatever line these guys are on is worthless. Fred g is the worst playoff player and we act like he deserves a spot on this team. Same with Jo Jo. He skates sometimes so he gets a spot. They both have been given opportunities and they waste them. Get rid of them already. This franchise is a joke . The wild wont do anything when they have to carry all of Billy’s dead weight lazy friends and their stupid contracts.  The cherry on top will be an over paid washed up Minnesotan in free agency. This team is going nowhere! Management is clueless and incompetent, the coach is a proven playoff loser and the motto in Iowa is winning doesn’t matter . What a joke of a franchise. 

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    Minnesota's middle-six forwards are littered with 30-plus-year-olds who've been around the team for years with zero postseason success.

    One sentence sums up the Wild organization under Billy's tenure.

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    Vet min for a guy who doesn't dazzle but isn't horrendous. 800k isn't enough money to block anyone from taking that spot, if someone like Heidt, Haight, or Ritchie shows up to camp and plays well enough to EARN and spot and BEAT OUT NoJo, now you have an 800k insurance policy due to injury instead of an AHL player who may not be ready. 

    "The fact that signing somebody to a 1-year contact at less than 1 million dollars is going to stir controversy and strong opinions is enough of an indicator that this team is headed in the wrong direction."

    I guess I don't see why this is controversial outside of people need it to be. The ask was for signing top 6 guys to help out and add size and scoring, this signing is not that, in fact it helps that possibility by having a player who is a vet, is not injury prone, and can chip in (he put up more than Hartman did during the season but due to a 5 game stretch in round 1 he seems to get a pass).  If he produces 11 g and 23a playing on line 3 or 4 for that price, that would be great. In FA you will over pay and have less money to spend elsewhere, and you still need to fill out all lines, not just top 2.

    BUT, and big but, if NOJO is the mainstay line 2 guy again, then this is a failure, line 3 or 4/ insurance policy then I am not mad about it. I am willing to wait and see how the offseason shakes out before grabbing my torch and pitchfork because none of us know what may happen.

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    So we have a first line, two third lines, and an old veteran fourth line.  Stanley Cup here we come!

    Too many players in their thirties, even though I like 38, 17, and 36.  But 13, 89 and 90...hard pass.  We don't even use 89 for shootouts anymore, so what does he bring, because it's not speed. 

    Pick off some depth players from winning franchises like FLA, VGK, DAL, TBL, quit searching around the dollar store from somebody else's junk.  At least Fenton somewhat blew up our middling roster in an attempt to get better, except VRask😁

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    2 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

    I agree.

    The only thing that might make sense with this is if NoJo will be competing for a spot on the 4th line.

    Not even. He should be sitting in the press box waiting for someone to get injured. But even then, a call up would produce better. He ONLY competes hard when wearing the Tre Kronor.

    Johansson must have dirt on Billy or he's a secret lover, that's the only explanation for this signing.

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    4 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    So we have a first line, two third lines, and an old veteran fourth line.  Stanley Cup here we come!

    Too many players in their thirties, even though I like 38, 17, and 36.  But 13, 89 and 90...hard pass.  We don't even use 89 for shootouts anymore, so what does he bring, because it's not speed. 

    Pick off some depth players from winning franchises like FLA, VGK, DAL, TBL, quit searching around the dollar store from somebody else's junk.  At least Fenton somewhat blew up our middling roster in an attempt to get better, except VRask😁

    How many you think are signing for 800k? Want to make an impact, dump 36 and maybe 38 as well, opens up much more cap space. Plus gets rid of your age problem. Maybe bring in some young 20 somethings who haven't done anything for cheap that other teams don't see as progressing? How would that help?

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    10 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

    Not even. He should be sitting in the press box waiting for someone to get injured. But even then, a call up would produce better. He ONLY competes hard when wearing the Tre Kronor.

    Johansson must have dirt on Billy or he's a secret lover, that's the only explanation for this signing.

    Or this ^^^

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    3 hours ago, TCMooch said:

    I also think he's a terrible GM that is more interested in signing players "like him" than he is on icing the best talent.

    In what ways would you say that Johansson is like Guerin?

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    Like a good neighbor, Johansson is there!

    From puckpedia, I didn't see any designations for Johansson. This means that waiving and sending to Iowa is no problem. The same goes again for Gaudreau, though he would cost us $1m in dead cap to send down with just an NTC. 

    Money is the only thing holding them up here as they would get their full salaries down in Iowa. Honestly, we could probably use a few guys who had NHL salaries down there. 

    Like I-5, I see this merely as insurance. Now Johansson can get back to Sweden and have a nice summer break and know where he is going to be at training camp. 

    Note to the rookies: Johansson is 5'11" 203 and skates fast. He doesn't bury shots and isn't an assist machine, nor does he consistently take the body. This is what you have to beat! Now, go do it.

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    45 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    In what ways would you say that Johansson is like Guerin?

    Does he look at all like Shooter's caddy?

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    26 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    From puckpedia, I didn't see any designations for Johansson. This means that waiving and sending to Iowa is no problem. The same goes again for Gaudreau, though he would cost us $1m in dead cap to send down with just an NTC. 

    I have noticed the same on puckpedia but have seen other reports, the athletic for one that it came with a full no trade clause (according to a league source).  I usually trust puckpedia for this, so hoping they are correct.

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    The Athletic seems to think Johansson could have gotten around $2M from other teams, and indicates his old Swedish team wanted him back, but he took around the minimum with the Wild just to stay in MN where his family likes it.

    Normally, I would feel a little bit better about that, but they also suggested the contract will include a full no-trade clause, so it sounds like Johansson will need to approve of any move, including waivers.

    If that's correct, I'll be back to disliking this deal. Not a horrible vet to have in the press box, I suppose, but I think I'd rather have Hinostoza getting ice time than Johansson. We at least know Stroh's is going to give a full effort, and he finished with a +2 last season, which was better than NoJo's -7.

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    Hate the signing but love the posts and article.

    Definition of stability=stay the same. I guess GMBG signaled what to expect next season, hopefully his final season with the Wild. How about Rossi for Oskar Sundqvist next? 

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    8 minutes ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

    Hate the signing but love the posts and article.

    Definition of stability=stay the same. I guess GMBG signaled what to expect next season, hopefully his final season with the Wild. How about Rossi for Oskar Sundqvist next? 

    This organization could be so lucky as to have this be Guerins last season as GM. Owner thinks he walks on water though so I’m sure he’ll stick around

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    5 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

    I have noticed the same on puckpedia but have seen other reports, the athletic for one that it came with a full no trade clause (according to a league source).  I usually trust puckpedia for this, so hoping they are correct.

    If that's true, he can still be waived and sent to Iowa.

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    5 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Normally, I would feel a little bit better about that, but they also suggested the contract will include a full no-trade clause, so it sounds like Johansson will need to approve of any move, including waivers.

    The difference between a full NTC and an NMC is waivers. 

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    As far a forwards go that are free agents the vast majority of them look and smell like Marcus Johansson.  Most are over 30, most make less than or right at 1 million dollars.  Johansson had 34 points last year not a great season but not terrible.  He has been here and we know what we are getting for the money.  Granted that value isn't fantastic but it is better than someone coming in new that is just as terrible. 

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