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  • The Buffalo Sabres Won't Be the Wild's Savior At Center


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    Tony Abbott

    The Minnesota Wild look like they're in a bit of a jam.

    They want to upgrade the center position this offseason and will set out to do so in a market where centers aren't exactly plentiful. Listening to insiders, Brock Nelson is the odds-on favorite to land in Minnesota, with potential fits like Sam Bennett perhaps pricing himself out of Minnesota's range, and few trade targets in sight.

    In their recent mailbag, The Athletic's Michael Russo and Joe Smith summarily shut down virtually every trade option.

    So, where's the opportunity to avoid a weak free agent class? Russo offers the State of Hockey one nugget of hope:

    If I’m the Wild and planning to trade [Marco] Rossi, I’d go hard after Buffalo’s JJ Peterka or Tage Thompson. ... Other than a Nelson pursuit, I just really believe trying to trade for an impact center like Peterka or Thompson makes sense.

    That sounds good. Those are two impact players. Peterka is 23 and is coming off a 27-goal, 68-point season, tied for second on the team. Thompson, in particular, could be Bill Guerin's biggest fantasy. And "biggest" is literal. A 6-foot-6 power center with two 40-goal seasons? That'd solve a lot of what the Wild's front office feels they lack.

    Should we expect Guerin to dust off that red telephone with a direct line to Buffalo? The one Chuck Fletcher once used to bring in Jason Pominville, Matt Moulson, and Chris Stewart?

    It's hard to be optimistic that the fix at center lies there.

    Don't get us wrong, Peterka is a solid player who'd offer a strong shot at the wing. But that's the rub, there: at the wing. Peterka is 23, has played in 238 NHL games, and he's simply not a center. Matt Boldy won more faceoffs last year (58) than Peterka has taken during his entire career (36). He's slower than Rossi, for example, which likely won't help if adding team speed is the goal.

    So, let's take out Peterka as a solution at center. On the other hand, Thompson would be a strong addition for Minnesota. He brings elite size and strong speed for that size (his top speed was in the top 25% of the league, per NHL Edge). He also may have a claim for the best shot in the NHL -- it's both fast (topping out at 106 miles per hour) and he fires it often (242 shots on goal last season, 18th in the NHL). 

    Assuming Rossi is gone, Thompson and Joel Eriksson Ek would form an imposing 1-2 punch down the middle. Opponents won't be able to move Thompson and Eriksson Ek off the puck, and they're a force at the net-front, even though Thompson has more long-range shooting ability than Eriksson Ek.

    Unfortunately, it's also time to dismiss this option. It's simply too difficult to see a path that leads Thompson to Minnesota.

    For one, Thompson doesn't fit the mold of a player who gets traded, even from perpetually bad teams like the Sabres. He doesn't turn 28 until October, so he's still reasonably in his prime for the foreseeable future. Thompson also has four years remaining on his contract, which has him locked in on a bargain $7.14 million AAV.

    The length of the contract is a huge factor. When a struggling team has a pending UFA, sure, they're on the block. However, a team has to be preparing for a full-on rebuild to consider moving a 27-year-old star with four years remaining. Especially in Buffalo, which not only historically struggles to attract free agent talent, but also finished second in a recent players' poll as the first team NHLers slap on a no-trade list.

    Besides, it's not like Buffalo's contention window is so far out of reach that they'd want to stomach another rebuild. They've complemented Thompson with a stacked blueline that includes Rasmus Dahlin, Owen Power, and Bowen Byram. They've got a wealth of former first-round picks in Jack Quinn, Zach Benson, and Jiri Kulich, who should all expect to see grow.

    Under ordinary circumstances -- as in, unless Thompson makes a ton of noise about not wanting to be in Buffalo -- the Sabres have no real incentive to trade him.

    However, none of those things is the biggest hurdle to getting Thompson to Minnesota.

    That would be Kevyn Adams. Or specifically, his job security. 

    The Sabres installed Adams as general manager in 2020, and he hasn't made the playoffs in five seasons. Buffalo brought him back for next season, but GMs don't usually get much more rope than that without seeing results. It's go-time for Adams to show that the team he's built for a half-decade can make the postseason.

    Moving Thompson is a rebuilding move, even if it means getting a player like Rossi and more back for him. Adams can't sell rebuilding to Sabres fans, who've gone 14 years without a playoff appearance. It's possible that going to ownership with the idea to trade Buffalo's 27-year-old, 40-goal-scoring unicorn of a center might as well be a resignation letter.

    It's hard enough to imagine a new GM in Buffalo wanting to trade Thompson. But with Adams likely GM-ing for his job, those odds drop from "low" to "near-zero." Unless there's something major brewing behind the scenes we don't know about, the Wild will probably have to look elsewhere for their center help.

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    34 minutes ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

    Teams that may have to make moves this offseason whether it's due to cap constraints, locker room issues, or having to rebuild would be NYR, NYI, NJD, BOS, NAS, or VAN.  Teams like BUF, DET, or OTT are not going to deplete their roster by moving top end talent.

    I like your list, but disagree on a couple of them. NJD was simply not the same when they lost Hughes. I think him coming back makes them dangerous again.

    Detroit isn't trading their top talent, but I do think that the clock is ticking hard here. I think we can get a decent player in the '21-23 drafts from them for Spurgy, a guy they could really use. 

    Ottawa has a very low rated prospect pool. Pretty much, they've got what they've got. Buffalo has a ton of good prospects too. They also could use a Spurgeon, especially with getting to the playoffs. I don't think they'd give up much on their current roster, but maybe someone pretty good in the '22-24 drafts? 

    If we're getting anything for Spurgy,  it's pretty much going to be futures, but I'd stay away from picks and try to hit on someone around the '22 draft. 

    For me, I think I'd target Danielson on Detroit, or Helenius or Wahlberg on Buffalo. These guys would help later, but could also be important pieces in another trade. I loved Danielson in the '23 draft. 

    What then? Jiricek backfills Spurgy and is that top 10 defender everyone else has. It also allows us to change captains which I believe is necessary. 

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    26 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Carolinas defense didn’t necessarily need to be big, it definitely helps though.

    “In the 2024-25 NHL season, the Carolina Hurricanes were ranked 1st in goals against per game with a rate of 2.09. This indicates that they allowed an average of 2.09 goals per game, making them the most defensively strong team in terms of goals”

     

    “They had an 85.0% penalty kill, the third-highest in the league.”

    Florida is just a better team overall, that’s why they are 2-0 against Carolina.

    I think what you are listing here is regular season stats. Over the long haul, the Canes were great. I think if you look at the goaltending on the season, their defense probably was better than 2.09 in expected goals against. They ran through a streak where they heavily outshot teams yet lost due to mainly Andersen being hurt. 

    But playoffs are different, and you have to beat the team you are matched up against. I think Carolina had a good chance against any team in the East not named Florida. It's a terrible matchup for them, and unless Bob gives it away, they're in big trouble. Plus, Maurice coached a long time in Carolina, you know beating them has got to be sweet.

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    18 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    There’s almost always a deal that can happen. We’ve witnessed some this Trade Deadline with Aves Canes Stars. Make it worth it value wise for both teams. 

    Yes, but those only happened because of players who needed to be re-signed and the teams involved were unable to come to terms with the player that they could agree on.

    Under the same conditions the Wild might pry a Necas or Rantanen-type player away, but those players also have to want to re-sign there or we end up in the same boat as Carolina.

    Deals can happen, yes, but their has to be the right conditions for them to occur, especially when star players are involved.  That's why a lot of the trade suggestions here are so far-fetched.  The article spends a fair bit of time explaining why those sorts of trades are unrealistic and then people immediately start going off into fantasy land.

    If any trade for a star center, winger, etc is going to be made, it's going to be for a player that a team can't afford to keep in order to sign someone else or it'll be a team in a re-build/re-tool that isn't going to be relevant for a few years.  Buffalo is still perpetually in that re-build, but, like the article takes time to explain, they likely see the players we would want as cornerstones of that re-build that finally helps them crawl out of the cellar rather than trade chips.  They aren't going to trade them unless they can get someone who is better and still in their prime - which they aren't likely to get because, as others pointed out, those better players likely have no-trade lists that include Buffalo.  I honestly do not see a trade for Thompson unless we are also trading Kaprizov or Boldy.  Faber, Buium, and/or Rossi would not be enough.  If we are willing to take Cozens's contract off their hands, then they may consider something, but I still doubt it.

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    I would literally overpay in Rossi and blue chips prospects for Tage Thompson. He helps is win now on a great tan friendly contact.

    Rossi, Wallstedt, Jurieck, and Yurov for Thompson.

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    You know, I'd kinda like to have young depth before our 5-6 30+ players age out...

    Forgive me if I think the Wild are more than one center from Stanley Cup contention.

     
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    According to Elite Prospects for this past season, the Wild are 1) ranked 32/32 for height (shortest at 6'-1" / 184.3cm)  2) ranked 28/32 for weight (196 lbs)   3) ranked 3/ 32 for age at 29.74 years old.  (however it remains unclear if this site has all data from all rostered players, or only select players).

    Starting from Goalies out, and this could take up to 3 years to fulfill...

    GT/D:  If we are going to hitch our wagons to the duo of Gus and Walls...then we definitely need to find not 1 but 2 Brute defenders that can sweep the danger zone.  Keep 1 of these (Spurgeon, Faber, Brodin), and the rest are on the market.  We do not know if Gus has the stamina to carry the full season, and with the Wild's strange use of Wally, I cannot get a good read on him.  If our GT is above good, but not great, we do need a couple of big ass blueliners to clear rebounds and boost our PK.  A couple D's that could be or emulate Heiskanen of Dallas.

    Offense:  Of course ink the big deal with KK.  Then go shopping for size, speed, skill.  Everyone is on the market except 97, 14, 12, 17, 38.  

    And if the perpetual early out continues to happen, well them I'm convinced that OCL is a closet Pohlad.  

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    On 5/22/2025 at 4:20 PM, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    Buffalo needs a top 4 RHD badely.  Trade Faber, Rossi, Ohgren, height and 2026 1st for Thompson, Tuch or Peterka and Samuelson.

     

    Stop with these articles saying it can’t happen.  It can happen but Faber has to to part of it.  We need a number 1 center way way more than we need Faber.  This league is won with forwards now.  No good team has a ton of money tied into D anymore.  

     

     

    "No good team has a ton of money tied into D anymore."

    Then where's the appetite to tie up a combined $28 million dollars in adding Faber to the Dahlin ($11M) and Power (8.35M) core?

    If you're Buffalo, you don't really need that RHD, puck-moving D Faber is because you have one of Dahlin/Power/Byram always on the ice to touch the puck.

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    2 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    "No good team has a ton of money tied into D anymore."

    Then where's the appetite to tie up a combined $28 million dollars in adding Faber to the Dahlin ($11M) and Power (8.35M) core?

    If you're Buffalo, you don't really need that RHD, puck-moving D Faber is because you have one of Dahlin/Power/Byram always on the ice to touch the puck.

    Just saying there has been many articles out by their team people saying they need a solid top 4 RHD.  Faber will get their attention for Thompson.  Without it I don’t think we have a chance.  That’s why in my post i said we would take Samuelson back which offsets cap of 4.25 for him and he can play the right side and is 6’4 225.  Throw in lambos in the deal as well if we need to.  Faber or Spurgeon needs to be offloaded this summer for cap space and to increase the size of our D.  We need big D.  

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    4 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    Just saying there has been many articles out by their team people saying they need a solid top 4 RHD.  Faber will get their attention for Thompson.  Without it I don’t think we have a chance.  That’s why in my post i said we would take Samuelson back which offsets cap of 4.25 for him and he can play the right side and is 6’4 225.  Throw in lambos in the deal as well if we need to.  Faber or Spurgeon needs to be offloaded this summer for cap space and to increase the size of our D.  We need big D.  

    So they need RHD but would give up a RHD in your trade?

    That doesn't make sense, to me. 

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    The Wild need Top 4 D with size?  Maybe they should trade with Columbus for David Jiricek.  He might have good experience in a couple more years by the time Spurgeon's contract is done.

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    6 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    So they need RHD but would give up a RHD in your trade?

    That doesn't make sense, to me. 

    Samuelson is left handed….. but he can play the right side.  They need a true right handed shot top 4 D

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The Wild need Top 4 D with size?  Maybe they should trade with Columbus for David Jiricek.  He might have good experience in a couple more years by the time Spurgeon's contract is done.

    Jiricek is a good start but he can’t play the whole game.  Need more guys like him and less small guys like Spurgeon and Faber 

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    Lee might be ok in a short term sort of way like Nelson is.  Barzal not so much.  I am not keen on adding more injury riddled players to a team somehow WORSE injury luck than every other team.

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    16 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    So they need RHD but would give up a RHD in your trade?

    That doesn't make sense, to me.

    Samuelsson is a lefty that can play the right side.

    Sorry, MNH03 covered this. But they do really need a righty who has offense.

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    8 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    Matt Barzal now probably coming available.

    I think Barzal would be an excellent add. Same draft year as Kaprizov & Ek. Plays in a structured system where he's been a ppg producer. Coming off a down, injured year. He's an RHS shot who can hit a target, and pass. A nice piece for the back door on the PP (Zuccy's spot). 

    Cap hit is $9.15m, 22 team M-NTC. 6'1" 190 with speed. He's also signed for 5 more seasons at that number.

    If NYI is going full rebuild, which they probably need to do, perhaps some quality/quantity prospects could be included in a deal that doesn't hurt the big club too much. Their defense, I think, is pretty young and strong. For me, this would be a similar move to the Panthers acquiring Reinhart. 

    I could see a Barzal-Ek-Kaprizov top line with a Boldy-Yurov-other player 2nd line assuming Rossi is in this trade. If he's not, Rossi gets kicked out to wing on this line. Come back with a Hartsy-Nelson-Moose 3rd line, and I think we have a pretty good lineup on paper. Maybe even switch out Hartsy for OgZ?

    Zuccy and Gaudreau likely need to be subtracted from the roster in a scenario like this. Would Trenin have to go too? Would we need a low budget 4th line? If the money was there, I could see a Trenin-Hartzy-Bankier 4th line.

     

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    2 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

    Billy showed his cards before the flop. He ain’t getting much for Rossi.

    Then bridge him and hold on to him. Unless the Wild initiates a deal, there's not much leverage for Rossi even though his agent may try to swing a deal. Rossi's only leverage is an offersheet, which can immediately be matched. 

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    Looking up the NTC teams, it doesn't appear that MN is really on those lists. Sure, we've had some guys turn down coming here, but it appears as if the Canadian teams, Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, NJD seem to be on those lists. 

    Others have mentioned the NY, CA teams, because of taxes. I think Carolina is odd since their taxes have really come down the past few years and are targeted to be lower still. St. Louis was mentioned. 

    For me, it seems like most players get a 10 team M-NTC, and when that stipulation is on, the Wild don't tend to be on that list. Where do we fit? I don't know, but from what I read, we were simply not mentioned. 

    Now, on this, I do think the older UFAs would think about the MN area, mainly due to schools, privacy, ruralness. However, since things have gone crazy in the Dayton/Walz eras, I'm not exactly sure how this stands now, and since I haven't visited in....yikes...about 10 years, I don't have a good handle on the area, just memories of a bygone era. 

    Minneapolis still comes up nationally as a real mess, and it wasn't so good when I visited 25 years ago. St. Paul, as I remember it still seemed to be reasonable. I guess what I'm saying here is I just don't know if my assumptions of a nice place to raise a family are still valid. 

    I also don't mean to make this sound political, it isn't, it's more cultural and the direction the state leans in this area. What it's values are? What it cares about? What it's attitudes are like? What it's morals are? How many people are trying to move back or trying to get out of the state? 

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    On 5/23/2025 at 10:02 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    According to the scoring stats, Brock Nelson is 49th in points with 26g & 30a. That fits right in the middle of a 2nd line C. Granted, a few of the guys on the list are listed at C and play wing, and a few more guys lower on the list had bad years/injured years. For instance, Ek was 112th on the list. 

    Nelson was also a +8 on the season, and he played for another goal scoring challenged team in NYI. I would suggest we could expect about a 50 point season from him in our current system assuming a healthy season. I'd say that's a pretty average 2nd Line C option. 

    Now, if Rossi is given better wings, I think he might be able to produce more points, but Nelson has some other aspects that will counterbalance the points that Rossi doesn't provide. 

    I think the bigger issue is replacing a 23yr old, who has yet to hit his ceiling, with another mid 30's guy who is bound to flame out in the next couple years. I would rather pay 7M to Rossi than Nelson.

    One of the biggest faults I can find in BG's tenure is he seems prone to hiring guys based on what they were, not what they could be. It is a fatal flaw to have in a GM.

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    On 5/24/2025 at 6:05 PM, mnfaninnc said:

    Then bridge him and hold on to him. Unless the Wild initiates a deal, there's not much leverage for Rossi even though his agent may try to swing a deal. Rossi's only leverage is an offersheet, which can immediately be matched. 

    Rossi has to be willing to sign a bridge deal, and that's probably not happening. He can't count on the team playing him enough to raise his profile for a big payday.

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    On 5/24/2025 at 6:39 PM, mnfaninnc said:

    Minneapolis still comes up nationally as a real mess, and it wasn't so good when I visited 25 years ago. St. Paul, as I remember it still seemed to be reasonable. I guess what I'm saying here is I just don't know if my assumptions of a nice place to raise a family are still valid. 

    I also don't mean to make this sound political, it isn't, it's more cultural and the direction the state leans in this area. What it's values are? What it cares about? What it's attitudes are like? What it's morals are? How many people are trying to move back or trying to get out of the state? 

    HA!  You may want to re-visit that.  I get that you are in NC, but, bitch, please.

    I live in South Minneapolis.  When houses go up in my neighborhood, they go in less than a week for over 50k over asking.  Most to families with young kids.  Schools are great, neighborhoods are great, and people want to live near the greatest park systems of any city in the midwest.

    I know the trolls the outstate peeps on this site play will hammer over their MAGA shit (and omg, people have different skin tones!?), we do pay taxes in MN.   There is a result and reason for those taxes.  We care about schools, we care about parks, we care about each other.  And yes, downtown's have suffered from Covid and such, as has every downtown in the US.  Nightlife has shifted from Uptown to North Loop in MPLS, and hell look up some of those restaurants. 

    *snort* real mess, that is silly and ignorant.

      FFS.

     

     

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    9 hours ago, Wanderinginmn said:

    HA!  You may want to re-visit that.  I get that you are in NC, but, bitch, please.

    I live in South Minneapolis.  When houses go up in my neighborhood, they go in less than a week for over 50k over asking.  Most to families with young kids.  Schools are great, neighborhoods are great, and people want to live near the greatest park systems of any city in the midwest.

    I know the trolls the outstate peeps on this site play will hammer over their MAGA shit (and omg, people have different skin tones!?), we do pay taxes in MN.   There is a result and reason for those taxes.  We care about schools, we care about parks, we care about each other.  And yes, downtown's have suffered from Covid and such, as has every downtown in the US.  Nightlife has shifted from Uptown to North Loop in MPLS, and hell look up some of those restaurants. 

    *snort* real mess, that is silly and ignorant.

      FFS.

     

     

    Well said Wandering

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    On 5/26/2025 at 3:43 PM, Tony Abbott said:

    Rossi has to be willing to sign a bridge deal, and that's probably not happening. He can't count on the team playing him enough to raise his profile for a big payday.

    Rossi's agent appears willing to sign one, but probably way higher than the Wild want. I don't doubt the $7m x 7 hope for the agent, but he has so little leverage he's going to have to go the offersheet route, I think...unless the Wild can get a decent deal for him on the market. 

    For the record, I'm against trading him to trade him, but if we can trade him and get something that we need that we can't fill in the organization, then this might be a good move. I'm not banging the drum for Dach, but I am saying that this may be what Guerin likes, and his size is uncoachable.

    Looking at his draft comments, I have to wonder if he was just too big to handle in juniors, but now that he's playing against men, he doesn't have that advantage. He also got injured in jrs. so durability is not one of his abilities. 

    To me, Dach fills a role that we don't have: huge rhs center. He has little value after his year last year which wasn't good. Could he play well in Hynes' structure? I think so and he'd be a good fit. But a deal for Rossi would need to be paired with a '26 1st to make this work. Otherwise, let's see if he's offersheeted. Compensation from an offersheet is not lottery protected, and might be better, though, I think we're in win now mode. 

    If we see Guerin go after Brock Nelson and pick up Dach, suddenly our center position looks very large, and that could make Rossi expendable. Dach would be entering the final year of his contract, and probably hasn't earned much of a raise. He is also eligible for an extension on July 1st, and if a deal were coming, I'd think extension talks would be necessary. We could probably get value from Dach at 3 x $3.5m. 

    Foerster also provided value in other areas of our deficiencies. 

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