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  • Rutger McGroarty Could Accelerate the Wild's Timeline


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    Tony Abbott

    Let's say the Minnesota Wild are on the clock at No. 13 overall at Friday night's draft. They should have several options available to them. If they're lucky, perhaps someone like Berkly Catton, Konsta Helenius, or Carter Yakemchuk falls to them. Even if not, Minnesota would likely be able to add some intriguing, physical Norwegians in Michael Brandsegg-Nygard or Stian Solberg, among others.

    But they wouldn't usually be able to select Rutger McGroarty out of Michigan. That's because the Winnipeg Jets already took McGroarty, the 6-foot-1 winger with a pro-ready frame, in the 2022 Draft. He went 14th overall, five picks before the Wild went to the podium to take Liam Öhgren at No. 19.

    If the Wild had coveted McGroarty, now is their chance to show it. McGroarty reportedly wants out of Winnipeg. A rift has opened between the team and the player concerning the Jets' handling of his decision of whether or not to join the NHL last season. Murat Ates of The Athletic reported on Saturday that "Winnipeg may be able to use McGroarty to acquire a first-round pick — and a high one at that," later warning, "I'm under the impression that a trade is coming -- and soon, likely before the draft."

    The Wild could follow through on the long-standing rumors surrounding Marco Rossi in a McGroarty trade because Winnipeg would also be interested in acquiring an NHL-ready player. But perhaps the smarter route would simply flip Minnesota's first-round pick for the Wolverine. Put it this way: If McGroarty re-entered the draft, the Wild would have to take a long look at him if he fell to them at 13.

    McGroarty had a breakout season of sorts at Michigan, where he scored a career-high 50 points in 35 games. He played that well despite suffering a fractured rib that punctured his lung in November. After returning to action in December's World Junior Championships, McGroarty captained Team USA to Gold, scoring five goals and nine points in seven games. That includes notching the opening assist and closing goal in their 6-2 win over Sweden in the Gold Medal game.

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    His production skyrocketed upon re-joining the Wolverines. McGroarty went on a second-half run, scoring a staggering 10 goals and 34 points in 23 games. Most of these games were in the Big 10, and 13 were against teams that made the NCAA Tournament. He highlighted his run with an absurd three-goal, eight-point home-and-home set against rival Michigan State, where he racked up 19 shots.

    McGroarty has 34 goals and 91 points in 75 games during his two seasons at Michigan. Granted, those teams have been absolutely stacked, with first-rounders Frank Nazar III and Gavin Brindley playing with him last year and then Adam Fantilli, Luke Hughes, and Mackie Samoskevich during his freshman season. However, McGroarty has been a critical cog in that, assuming a top role after the departure of the likes of Fantilli and Hughes.

    Beyond the numbers, McGroarty fits the mold of Bill Guerin's identity for the Wild. NCAA players can't move him from the front of the net, and he combines the greasiness of Joel Eriksson Ek or Marco Rossi's game with a heightened level of playmaking. "He’s got raw skill that shows up in his great hands and feel on the puck as a passer," wrote The Athletic's Scott Wheeler in February. However, he doesn't sell McGroarty's shot short. "When he gets [to the net], he’s got the strength to shoot from bad postures/off-balance. He always seems to put his shots into good locations."

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    Guerin is a former power forward who is infatuated with players who employ his style of hockey. McGroarty feels like a natural successor to players like Marcus Foligno or Ryan Hartman in Minnesota. His skill set should be well-suited for the Wild's power play. For a team that needs scoring depth, McGroarty puts in the hard work that either leads to himself or a teammate knocking pucks into the net.

    That need for depth makes the 13th overall pick a preferable trade chip over someone like Rossi to acquire McGroarty. Rossi's a 20-goal-scoring bird in the hand. While the 13th overall pick could theoretically be anything, that player is a long way from breaking into the NHL. Minnesota would be trading a sure thing to roll the dice on two relative unknowns in McGroarty and their first-rounder.

    On the other hand, having Rossi and McGroarty in-house? That's something more solid to build on. Yes, McGroarty is still unproven as an NHLer, but having two strong years of development reduces some of the risk factor. It should be attractive that he can probably step into the NHL next season instead of waiting for an 18-year-old. So would that three-year Entry-Level Contract for the last year of the worst of their buyout-related pain.

    Even projecting line combinations, McGroarty and Rossi could be a strong duo. Both are cerebral players who can score greasy goals and dish the puck. McGroarty's strength around the net could free him up to play in more areas on the ice rather than being the gritty, net-front option with Mats Zuccarello and Marcus Johansson. This duo's success would allow Minnesota to keep their dominant top line together without a drop-off in secondary scoring.

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    The biggest hurdle to such a move might not be that it'd be an in-division trade or that even teams like the New Jersey Devils, Buffalo Sabres, or Philadelphia Flyers perhaps waiting in the wings with higher picks to trade to Winnipeg. Guerin might have just made a self-inflicted logjam that makes it difficult to add an NHL-ready prospect in McGroarty without blocking someone else.

    With Zuccarello on the books for two more years, Hartman for three, and Foligno and Freddy Gaudreau for four, where's the room for young players to make it? Kirill Kaprizov, Matt Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Rossi give Minnesota eight forwards they should either want to have or are stuck with for the long term. There are just four spots left. With Öhgren, Marat Khusnutdinov, Riley Heidt, Danila Yurov, and more knocking on the door, how can Guerin hope to let them all in if McGroarty adds another long-term piece?

    Too many good prospects is a good problem to have, we suppose. However, that's not necessarily Minnesota's problem. It's that older players on unmovable contracts are holding down too many spots. There's a non-zero chance a trade to Minnesota could lead to a similar situation to the one McGroarty is trying to escape in Winnipeg.

    However, those are more issues with team construction. Should it stop the Wild from being interested in McGroarty? Probably not. He's an excellent prospect with skills the organization covets. He also fits the win-now timetable critical to keeping Kaprizov around, and it's always fun to try turning up the heat with their rivals to the north. If it's possible to use the No. 13 pick to "draft" McGroarty, Minnesota must consider it.

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    The question in those scenarios is McGroarty a better fit than Iginla, Catton, Eiserman, MBN, etc?  A two year head start is nice, but does he have more upside than just picking BPA right now?

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    *Extra edit*

    The off-chance the BPA is Yakemchuk or Silayev (though unlikely) is also taken away going after a LW.  The Wild DO need wingers, but keeping what they have gives them flexible control until they make the pick.

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    Guerin might have just made a self-inflicted logjam that makes it difficult to add an NHL-ready prospect in McGroarty without blocking someone else.

    With Zuccarello on the books for two more years, Hartman for three, and Foligno and Freddy Gaudreau for four, where's the room for young players to make it?

    Guerin doing Guerin things.  If McGroarty never come to MN we'll never know why but this the latest evidence that Guerin's unforced error of extending the apathetic old core has consequences.  Keeps me from being able to say "I trust Guerin & Co's plan" and they are really executing on that plan.  Guerin is over his head as an NHL GM and we're watching him learn thru his mistakes, with the added bonus of watching him flame employees and getting investigated by the league for his conduct.

    Also, if a prospect cannot take a spot from Fred, Nojo, Zuccy (w/o 97) or Foligno then they are not an NHL prospect

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    2 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Also, if a prospect cannot take a spot from Fred, Nojo, Zuccy (w/o 97) or Foligno then they are not an NHL prospect

    Yeah, you can say that but at least Hartman/Zucc/Foligno are locked into the lineup, and probably the top-nine, for quite a while. They're not waiving those guys anytime soon.

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    39 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    A two year head start is nice

    I can't say whether McG is a better prospect than anyone at #13 in this years draft but the two year head start is absolutely a tie breaker given this teams 97 window.

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    2 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    Yeah, you can say that but at least Hartman/Zucc/Foligno are locked into the lineup, and probably the top-nine, for quite a while. They're not waiving those guys anytime soon.

    Hartman is legit top 9 and Foligno is a necessary evil (muscle but no hockey sense) in the top 9.  I'm not sure I can agree on Zuccy.  He was such a ghost last year w/o 97 and he's now another year older so I think all parties get motivated to find him a new team at the trade deadline.

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    not  a fan of this route. if we do trade Rossi i want a proven player, not a coin flip and not something that is a work-in-progress type (so essentially no rookies or prospects)

    why add to the already over hyped list of never ending prospects that cannot deliver when at the core there is a different route that is mandated ..... argh i won't go in with this again, but reminder - this does NOTHING to help with our situation with Kap; this does not bring more wins, but rather more learning pains and reliance on one man only without giving him adequate help and/or protection, which he will grow tire off by years end

    Tony writes -  With Öhgren, Marat Khusnutdinov, Riley Heidt, Danila Yurov, and more knocking on the door yes they are knocking and so are all the other slew of prospects, but the issue here  is that they are  merely knocking on the door and no one is breaking it open. its not fair to lay it on new comers but it has been a theme for some time with our draft picks (let's not add Faber to this, and leave Wall off until he actually plays on a regular basis - so all we got is Rossi from the last decade????? really???? that is a great development and drafting we been hearing about?????) so now we are going to all of a sudden believe!!! and count on for 3 rookies (Ohgre, Nutty, Riley) to step in and deliver!! not weird - wild.

    just do the right thing billy - offer a package for a proven player that fits immediate timeline. give Kap a C. and make sure he is priority and not Middleton. 

     

     

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    The Jets aren’t going to take a pick for McG. They will be looking to add a difference maker heading into next season.  I’m thinking a player hitting their prime years. So Rossi is not quite their target. IMO

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    Just another developing scenario that is tantalizing but probably out of the Wild's reach. 

    This is why the draft shortfalls since Brackett & Guerin began further limit what they can do. The needs and assets or lack of assets for MN are a result of this management groups decisions. 

    On one hand cost certainty and veteran experience is good but detrimental when flexibility or opportunity limit what the Wild can do. Going after an unhappy young prospect or signing a solid UFA means you need money, roster-spot, or assets to trade. Lambos, or O'Rourke are players the Wild drafted somewhat for position. Two high picks who now don't fill an NHL slot or draw any trade interest. 

    I liked the idea of Tuch before MN got Foligno and now I like the idea of getting McGroarty but MN is stuck with the hockey IQ of a Moose... 😎

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    Pewterschmidt will appreciate that MN didn't go BPA with O'Rourke or Lambos looking back because they easily could have taken Evangelista or Stankoven. 

    You don't draft for position unless you can get it as a byproduct of the best player available. 

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    14 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The question in those scenarios is McGroarty a better fit than Iginla, Catton, Eiserman, MBN, etc?  A two year head start is nice, but does he have more upside than just picking BPA right now?

    I think part of the reason you trade for a guy who's ready to make the league now is it accelerates the timeline for Kaprizov. You can say 'look we have a top-6 that is set now once Yurov comes over!' during negotiations instead of 'just wait a couple years until Eiserman/Catton/Iginla come in!' 

    That said... idk why the Jets would want to help us. We can probably still get an exciting player at #13, but will it be exciting for the Jets who then need to wait another few years to see the payoff? While also directly helping a divisional rival improve sooner? I'm not so sold they'd be willing to do that.

    Especially after the allegedly hard feelings they had with us snagging Chisholm off waivers. 

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    I would love to get Mcgrorty but I don’t want to trade Rossi for him. If we could somehow get him without giving our 13th that would be better. RM is a stud and I think he has Boldy potential.

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    22 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The question in those scenarios is McGroarty a better fit than Iginla, Catton, Eiserman, MBN, etc?  A two year head start is nice, but does he have more upside than just picking BPA right now?

    No way iginla falls to us. I think RM has better playmaking and goal scoring than MBN. I think he’s more well rounded than Eiserman and he’s got way more size than Catton. 

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    While it might be tempting to make a trade, what guarantee to the Wild get, that the player would even want to play here? Worst case scenario, would be trading a 1st round draft pick, only to have the player refuse to sign with the Wild. 

    I would play hardball with the Jets, by offering a lesser pick or prospect. If this guy really wants out of Winnipeg, the Jets will trade him, otherwise he will refuse to sign, leaving the Jets with nothing. This doesn't mean the Jets would trade him to the Wild, but it's worth exploring a possible deal.

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    On 6/25/2024 at 5:11 PM, Citizen Strife said:

    The off-chance the BPA is Yakemchuk or Silayev (though unlikely) is also taken away going after a LW. 

    This sounds like something you might do at the draft table when your guys have fallen off the board. You might have to do it quickly like 2 picks away from 13.

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    23 hours ago, Protec said:

    Pewterschmidt will appreciate that MN didn't go BPA with O'Rourke or Lambos looking back because they easily could have taken Evangelista or Stankoven. 

    You don't draft for position unless you can get it as a byproduct of the best player available. 

    I disagree, according to Brackett's draft board, he had Lambos way higher than he got him. O'Rourke was supposed to be a late 1st early 2nd round pick. 

    Just because they didn't pan out, doesn't mean they didn't draft BPA. They thought they had.

    Most people also don't consider the learning curve issue with the lost 1.5 seasons of covid. For instance, Lambos didn't seem to improve much last season, but it was his 1st in the A. Perhaps Winnipeg targets him, his jr. team was in their back yard. 

    But for all these guys taken in 2020-2022, they will develop at different levels depending on how much covid hurt their development. I still think Lambos can be a top 4 defender, it may take an extra season to get there, though. Same with Spacek. 

    For ODC, I think the article here was more trading for McG with #13 instead of trading Rossi. Giving Rossi a running mate might be good. Rumor has it McG is ready to sign this season. While it would be unproven, getting a good player 2 years further along could make a difference with Kaprizov. That would be especially true if he made the squad and contributed. From what I remember of McG's draft scouting report, he was skilled but also an effort guy. Even if unproven, if we've got guys like Dino, Ohgren and McG who are effort guys and have skill, I'd rather watch that than have a seasoned guy come in and Johansson the season.

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    Stramel gets understandably panned. Two bad years at Wisconsin and being a questionable 1st rd choice and all. But, I’m of the philosophy you stick to your guns when it comes to prospects. Is McGroarty worth it? I’m not sure. And then there’s Rossi. He has a much better case to argue for keeping him here in MN. I don’t like the idea of giving either one up for McGroarty. Depending on how the draft plays out, maybe for the 13th. 
     

    Both Stramel and Rossi were drafted by the Wild and have things about their game that warrant patience and proper development. The trade talk and criticism about Rossi and Stramel, respectively, bother me a little bit. It doesn’t instill confidence and belief in our own players. Who would want to play for that? 
     

    This might be a crazy idea, but treat the players right all the way through and who knows, they might want to play for you, they might turn into a capable, productive player, and we might get to enjoy fun, contending hockey. I hope we don’t see McGroarty in any kind trade involving Rossi or Stramel. Just my thoughts.

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    I'm getting tied of Tony Abbott and others peddling the lie that BG handcuffed the Wild with NTCs.  Zuccarello and Johansson have full NMC and those deals are for two years. Foligno has a M- NTC for the last two years of his deal. Hartman and Guadreau both have M-NTC.  If ALL of our top prospects develop he won't have trouble finding roster spots. Even if BG had given full NMC most guys would waive them if they are looking at the press box by staying.

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    I don’t think we have a good enough package to give the Jets compared to other tteams.

    jets I think will want a roster player back that is ready to contribute now to help them. They won’t want a bunch of draft picks back

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    17 hours ago, Jon said:

    Stramel gets understandably panned. Two bad years at Wisconsin and being a questionable 1st rd choice and all. But, I’m of the philosophy you stick to your guns when it comes to prospects. Is McGroarty worth it? I’m not sure. And then there’s Rossi. He has a much better case to argue for keeping him here in MN. I don’t like the idea of giving either one up for McGroarty. Depending on how the draft plays out, maybe for the 13th. 
     

    Both Stramel and Rossi were drafted by the Wild and have things about their game that warrant patience and proper development. The trade talk and criticism about Rossi and Stramel, respectively, bother me a little bit. It doesn’t instill confidence and belief in our own players. Who would want to play for that? 
     

    This might be a crazy idea, but treat the players right all the way through and who knows, they might want to play for you, they might turn into a capable, productive player, and we might get to enjoy fun, contending hockey. I hope we don’t see McGroarty in any kind trade involving Rossi or Stramel. Just my thoughts.

    Boldy had a rough patch in NCAA. Stramel played his first year there as a youngster which could be seen as a developmental advantage. His second year being under a new coach and things going sideways in WI is not entirely on Stramel. It's not so bad that he didn't score 40 goals or drive the top line. He's not hurt which is a good sign. He's getting another kick at the can this season with a new program and coach who likes him.

    Rossi came around to be a nice player. I agree it's not good to say a guy sucks for sure, but doubts aren't unwarranted. I think being patient is generally a good trait and we should try to do that. Stramel at age 22-23 is when I'd begin to look at him like a Beckman or Addison when you begin to see how the translation to NHL will work out. Pat Maroon played at least 4-5 seasons in the AHL so that's probably not typical but MN doesn't have to be in a hurry. Let's hope time proves out Brackett is better than average.

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