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    Tom Schreier

     

    The Minnesota Wild snapped the Nashville Predators’ six-game winning streak when they beat the Preds 6-1 on November 30. It was win No. 2 for John Hynes and Minnesota’s first back-to-back wins in regulation this season. During a first-period break, the Predators played a tribute to Hynes, their former coach, and the Wild won in a building where they are 15-22-7 all-time. Connor Dewar had a hat trick. Minnesota’s coaching change had reversed its vicious cycle.

    "This group's been through a tough start," Hynes told reporters in Nashville. "But I will say that they are really tight. They're hungry. They've been very receptive to me coming in."

    The Wild won four straight under Hynes before suffering their first loss in Vancouver on December 7. The Vancouver Canucks became the first team to hold Minnesota scoreless this year and ended an eight-game losing streak to the Wild. It was Minnesota’s fourth loss in their past 15 games in Vancouver. The Canucks snapped Mats Zuccarello’s ten-game point streak, and Kirill Kaprizov and Marco Rossi played poorly.

    “I think there’s a lot of good lessons out of this game,” Hynes said after losing in Vancouver. “The first four games were a little bit different style of games. This is the first time we’ve seen this style of game against us, and we didn’t handle it the right way. So it’s a good opportunity to grow from it.”

    Minnesota’s new-coach smell has worn off. Now we’ll learn whether Hynes has cured a rot or if they just stink. Winning three straight division games is no small feat, and the Wild’s results on their most recent road trip were pretty predictable. They’re probably better than the Calgary Flames and Seattle Kraken, but Vancouver and the Edmonton Oilers are likely superior teams. However, the Wild were a perplexing team before they fired Dean Evason. Now, they’re that much more confounding because Hynes has entered the equation.

    The Wild retained Evason after losing in the first round for the fourth straight season because they had two 100-point seasons under him. It’s hard to judge his first two seasons because the pandemic shortened them. But we know that Evason got the team to win in the regular season only to lose in the playoffs. Minnesota went 8-15 in the postseason under Evason, but Evason’s playoff struggles went beyond that. The Milwaukee Admirals were 1-12 in the AHL playoffs under his watch, and Evason owns a 10-24 record in the WHL postseason. 

    Was Evason wringing as much talent as he could out of the Wild in the regular season, only to have opponents expose them in a playoff series? Or is Minnesota fundamentally a 100-point team that underachieved when it mattered most? We’d still be asking that if Evason was behind the bench. But Hynes changes the equation, if moderately. Hynes has a mixed track record as a coach. The New Jersey Devils had a .487 points percentage in his five years there; the Predators had a .577 points percentage during his five years in Nashville.

    Granted, the Devils were rebuilding when he took over, and he took over the Predators job in the middle of their season. But he also has discouraging results with developing players. Hynes’ players tend to speak highly of him, but they’ve often played better after he departed. Hynes has had moderate success as a coach, producing two 90-plus point seasons in Nashville before they fired him last season. He’s 4-15 all-time in the playoffs.

    Hynes’ coaching history wouldn’t matter as much if he were an interim coach. The Wild went 15-11-1 under John Torchetti when he took over for Mike Yeo in the 2015-16 season. But Minnesota replaced him with Bruce Boudreau the following year. Torchetti hasn’t had a head coaching job since. However, Bill Guerin gave Hynes a multi-year deal. Guerin won’t say how long he signed Hynes for, only saying that he couldn’t get a coach like Hynes without a long-term contract. Guerin has a longstanding relationship with Hynes, and he had to have hired him knowing he probably won’t get another opportunity to change coaches. Hynes is someone he trusts.

    But adding Hynes on a multi-year deal to a cap-strapped team full of immovable contracts means the Wild are what they are now. They don’t have cap space to add any marquee free agents. There won’t be many young players with upside occupying the NHL roster because Guerin has doubled down on cost-controlled veterans to get through the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter buyout years. And if Minnesota misses the playoffs this year or another team eliminates them in the first round, they’re stuck with Hynes. 

    The best thing you can say about Hynes is that he’s willing to learn from other coaches and doesn’t appear stuck in his ways. Guerin didn’t fall into the trap Chuck Fletcher did of believing he had a wunderkind coach. Fletcher failed to recognize that Yeo was overwhelmed by the prospect of managing Parise and Suter and the expectations that came with signing them. Fletcher should have replaced Yeo with an experienced coach like Peter Laviolette or Ken Hitchcock when he had the chance. Instead, he waited until the team melted down, wasting valuable years of Parise and Suter’s prime years. Guerin isn’t making the same mistake with Kaprizov, Rossi, Matt Boldy, and Brock Faber.

    Hynes boosted the Wild, and they may have settled into a sense of normalcy now. They aren’t one of the best teams in the league, but they might still make the playoffs. However, they didn’t make up any ground in their four-game winning streak, and making the postseason doesn’t matter much if they can’t get out of the first round. Everyone here is long past the excitement of making the playoffs alone. We still don’t know what normal is for the Wild, but we’re about to find out soon enough.

     

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    Our prospect pool is quite large.... but no room exists on the roster to place any of them.   I stare at Cap-Friendly and frown at all those NTC/NMC and years filled in.  The guys on the ice need to produce.  No help is coming from outside the locker room. 

    My Expectations have dropped.  Forget winning in the playoffs... my hope at this moment is to be competitive in each game....period.   The probability of 2 really painful years of watching this team is increasing by the game.  I really hope these guys turn the corner.

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    12 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Our prospect pool is quite large.... but no room exists on the roster to place any of them.   I stare at Cap-Friendly and frown at all those NTC/NMC and years filled in.  The guys on the ice need to produce.  No help is coming from outside the locker room. 

    My Expectations have dropped.  Forget winning in the playoffs... my hope at this moment is to be competitive in each game....period.   The probability of 2 really painful years of watching this team is increasing by the game.  I really hope these guys turn the corner.

    Sadly, from what I've seen so far this season with our prospect pool there arent any guys who are going ready enough to 'Play themselves' into a roster spot this season like Boldy did.  

    We got the same amount of dead cap next season with Flower ($3.5M), Goose ($2M), Duhaime ($1.1), Dewar ($800k), Maroon ($800k), and Bogosian ($850k).

    I'm worried Dewey 1&2 might be TDL casualties this season so Billy can figure out how to extend Flower, Goose, Maroon and Bogosian well into their 40's. 

    I'm with you, I'd like to see competitive hockey night in and night out, but I'd rather see it with young dudes trying to keep a locker in the NHL than guys who love playing the game and used to be studs...also trying to stay in the big leagues and not beer leagues.

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    2 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

    I'm with you, I'd like to see competitive hockey night in and night out, but I'd rather see it with young dudes trying to keep a locker in the NHL than guys who love playing the game and used to be studs...also trying to stay in the big leagues and not beer leagues.

    Agreed.  If we are not competitive I would prefer to be watching young players trying to improve with hope of a brighter future.

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    1 hour ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Our prospect pool is quite large.... but no room exists on the roster to place any of them.   I stare at Cap-Friendly and frown at all those NTC/NMC and years filled in.  The guys on the ice need to produce.  No help is coming from outside the locker room. 

    My Expectations have dropped.  Forget winning in the playoffs... my hope at this moment is to be competitive in each game....period.   The probability of 2 really painful years of watching this team is increasing by the game.  I really hope these guys turn the corner.

    I know professional sports is a results-based business but I’ve come to expect watching competitive games to be the most fun regardless of the wins and losses. Domination gets boring and blowouts are painful. But putting on a strong game for almost the entire game is a nice roller coaster ride. 
     

    My point is, if you can prioritize simply watching a fun game regardless of how it ends, I daresay it is enjoyable. Maybe it’s just personal experience. I got to see Dan Campbell coach his first year. They went 3-13 but damn it was nice to see life in a team that got me hoping for them to be a great team, like they’re working towards right now.

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    Guerin won't be stupid enough to block off Wallstedt, the Russians, Ohgren, Lambos, etc. next season.  Yes, there's a lot of immovable pieces, but nothing saying, "If they start in Iowa, shit happens, but they will all be around barring injury," that's quite a bit of infusion right there.  Just because Guerin didn't say, "you get a roster spot, YOU get a roster spot, you ALL get roster spots," doesn't mean the Wild team is some big slow iceberg...NEXT year.

    This year though? Just deal with it.  Whatever happens happens.  Don't forget, Hartman and Foligno might have been misses, but Zuccarello is showing he's still playing at a high enough level to lead the team in points, while netting a paycut next year.  Guerin's moves aren't all like dead weight.

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    23 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Hartman and Foligno might have been misses

    While I absolutely think Foligno is a miss, Hartman has the ability to make a high end hockey play and finish from time to time.  And he's the RAT this organization has never had.  

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    36 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Guerin won't be stupid enough to block off Wallstedt, the Russians, Ohgren, Lambos, etc. next season.  Yes, there's a lot of immovable pieces, but nothing saying, "If they start in Iowa, shit happens, but they will all be around barring injury," that's quite a bit of infusion right there.  Just because Guerin didn't say, "you get a roster spot, YOU get a roster spot, you ALL get roster spots," doesn't mean the Wild team is some big slow iceberg...NEXT year.

    This year though? Just deal with it.  Whatever happens happens.  Don't forget, Hartman and Foligno might have been misses, but Zuccarello is showing he's still playing at a high enough level to lead the team in points, while netting a paycut next year.  Guerin's moves aren't all like dead weight.

    Hartman wasn't a miss. It's crazy to see the Hartman hate for the last 2 years. He's one of the better players on the team with one of the best contracts and before this year the best contract on the team. 

    Hynes puts him on the 4'th line and magically Dewar is hitting the back of the net again. Go figure.

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    Great article! This team is what it is. IMO it’s mediocre as it has always been and will be for near future due to Billy’s inability to have any flexibility. I agree Fletcher was in love with Yeo. Just like Billy is in love with his people . Had Fletcher got a good coach things may have been different for his team.  Had Billy left himself some flexibility things may be different for this team in near future.  However he didn’t so there only change can come from within. Has Hynes hit another level in coaching to get more out of this team next few years?  I doubt it but maybe. Are judds draft picks as good as the pr department wants everyone to believe?  I doubt it but maybe. . The probability on that isn’t great. Fletcher had higher draft picks than Judd but nothing top 5. I’m sure some of his picks will be good but are they good enough to make this team better in the playoffs? I think the answer to that is years away with no guarantee. No amount of pr will change if those kids make nhl or not. Only time will tell.  35% and lower for 2nd and lower picks making nhl 100 games.  75 % on 1sts . 
         Is it good hockey watching this team ? Idk. IMO I’m just watching us waste kappy s prime years with no real goals or timetable of when things get better. Vegas owner had a 5 year plan. Win cup in 5 years. He also wanted a conference championship in 3. He got what he wanted. What does Craig want ? Perpetual mediocrity to sell hopes and dreams of no real plan.  Slow cooking 20 th overall draft picks years apart seems to be the plan while all Billy’s friends get to ride off into the sunset on there nmc s .  I don’t find that good hockey. Watching kids with high ceiling’s seems better than old vets with ceiling’s collapsing.  I’m curious what the pr department will latch on to this year to call it a success again ? Only in minny is mediocre success! 

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    6 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The thing about Hartman is he's a weird Swiss Army Knife. He goes on these spurts of goals and assists, then goes cold, only to remind over and over again, "Oh yeah, forgot he was that good.  

    Hartman has a friendly contract and we got value but he’s a liability. He’s hot and cold as you mentioned, but he’s a poor center man, losing keys face offs on the top line, he takes too many stupid penalties, and he can’t finish. This makes the first line ineffective and inconsistent. 
     

    Now on the 4th line his ego is bruised. He’s counting on BG loyalty to bring him back to the top 3 lines.  Benn in Dallas showed how easy he is to tilt. Other teams catching on. 

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    19 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

    We got the same amount of dead cap next season with Flower ($3.5M), Goose ($2M), Duhaime ($1.1), Dewar ($800k), Maroon ($800k), and Bogosian ($850k).

    I'm worried Dewey 1&2 might be TDL casualties this season so Billy can figure out how to extend Flower, Goose, Maroon and Bogosian well into their 40's. 

    Hopefully sarcasm in your post but Guerin can't be that stupid. He's loyal to his guys almost to a fault but there's no way. If Bogo, Maroon, Goose & Flower are all extended and on the roster next year I'd be shocked, sad, mesmerized and would shelf all my Wild jerseys for a year or 2 to not be embarrassed being seen in public. 

    Honestly think out of the list Dewar is about the only lock to get extended, he has played extremely well this year and has earned Hynes' trust. I could possibly see Duhaime coming back but I think his role can be filled fairly easily.

    It would be one of the all time GM blunders if he buries a generational goalie that has shown he's ready in Iowa just to extend Flower another year. Gus isn't going anywhere and him & Wall are the tandem of the future.

    Goose isn't just cooked, he's burnt. Even if he's Billy's children's Godfather there's no way he comes back. There is a crowded D pipeline with Lambos, Hunt, Mermis and others all fighting for a starting spot next year in the NHL. Again, I don't think he blocks these guys just to be friendly to a washed up D-man that is a liability especially since Merrill is still on the roster.

    Bogo & Maroon are stop gaps and are past their primes as well. Again, I do not see either one being extended. Hope I'm right but guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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    I can see us climbing up to 3rd in the division. I don't think it's that far of a stretch either. I think Hynes is a better Xs & Os guy than Evason is. 

    I will say that so far under Hynes this team has looked better prepared. Let's hope they start on time tomorrow night.

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    20 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    While I absolutely think Foligno is a miss, Hartman has the ability to make a high end hockey play and finish from time to time.  And he's the RAT this organization has never had.  

    And I like him on L-4. He is probably too talented to be there but his attitude and playing style really are geared for it. I still have hopes for Moose. I may be whistling in the grave yard but I think he still has enough juice to perform, albeit not on an every game basis. Now Mojo was a terrible signing and everyone but BG knew it and even though it is only $2M a year Freddie isn't worth it.

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    On 12/12/2023 at 11:38 AM, MNCountryLife said:

    but no room exists on the roster to place any of them.   I stare at Cap-Friendly and frown at all those NTC/NMC and years filled in.  The guys on the ice need to produce.  No help is coming from outside the locker room. 

    My Expectations have dropped.  Forget winning in the playoffs... my hope at this moment is to be competitive in each game....period.   The probability of 2 really painful years of watching this team is increasing by the game.  I really hope these guys turn the corner.

    Duhaime, Goligoski, and Fleury are in available roster spots for next year.

    Wallstedt joins the Wild next season. Goligoski will not return either.

    Duhaime and Merrill could be traded to open space this season, and Duhaime isn't currently signed for next year.

    Merrill and Johansson's contracts end following next season. The roster has some spots opening and there are players like Gaudreau who don't have full NMC's, making them tradeable to some teams.

    When the young players show they are clearly ready to contribute at the NHL level, Guerin can make room, but I wouldn't expect much to happen this season. Merrill could be traded if some young defenders push him out of the lineup, but I'm not expecting to see that happen this season.

    It does seem like Guerin has been focused on that 25-26 season for quite a while. Still feels really far away, but it has the potential to be one of the best in franchise history.

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    On 12/12/2023 at 12:47 PM, Jon said:

    I know professional sports is a results-based business but I’ve come to expect watching competitive games to be the most fun regardless of the wins and losses. Domination gets boring and blowouts are painful. But putting on a strong game for almost the entire game is a nice roller coaster ride. 
     

    My point is, if you can prioritize simply watching a fun game regardless of how it ends, I daresay it is enjoyable. Maybe it’s just personal experience. I got to see Dan Campbell coach his first year. They went 3-13 but damn it was nice to see life in a team that got me hoping for them to be a great team, like they’re working towards right now.

    That seems like you’re setting the bar low and content with mediocrity..

    im tired of having a “decent” team year after year. I think that’s incredibly boring.

    i want the state of hockey to win a cup. Idk why people would want anything less honestly but that’s just me.

     

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    On 12/12/2023 at 12:01 PM, MrCheatachu said:

    I'm worried Dewey 1&2 might be TDL casualties this season so Billy can figure out how to extend Flower, Goose, Maroon and Bogosian well into their 40's. 

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    21 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    That seems like you’re setting the bar low and content with mediocrity..

    im tired of having a “decent” team year after year. I think that’s incredibly boring.

    i want the state of hockey to win a cup. Idk why people would want anything less honestly but that’s just me.

     

    I didn’t say I wanted to see “mediocre” or “boring” games. But I guess when your expectation is to win the cup, you’re bound to be disappointed.

    Winning isn’t everything. If that’s the only thing you want to enjoy and “anything less” is complacency, yikes.

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    42 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    That seems like you’re setting the bar low and content with mediocrity..

    im tired of having a “decent” team year after year. I think that’s incredibly boring.

    i want the state of hockey to win a cup. Idk why people would want anything less honestly but that’s just me.

     

    The problem is, the Wild had become a problem and had to take a step back to regroup and move forward. The process is a multi-year deal. Just how it goes and there's no guarantees. 

    It looks like they will have good young players when the cap penalties drop off. They certainly have good prospects now that can compete for those roles. With the newly available money MN will be able to improve their roster and if that coincides with Wallstedt's prime, the upside is great.

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    All this speculation about what might happen, ignores the reality that Kaprizov only signed a 5 year deal. What happens when his deal expires? Will he want to stay, or will he bolt for another club? The Wild need Kaprizov, almost as much as they need the prospects to pan out.

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