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  • John Hynes's Development of Young Players Doesn't Bode Well For the Wild's Future


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    Luke Sims

    Being an NHL head coach requires you to take on multiple roles. The best coaches juggle numerous responsibilities, from strategies to tactics to locker-room leadership. Balancing the needs of all 23 players in a locker room can be difficult. But perhaps above all, handling young players and properly developing them is essential for a coach. The inability to do so can doom an organization's future. 

    John Hynes has had the opportunity to coach many top picks over his coaching tenure. Hynes has coached young players with the New Jersey Devils and Nashville Predators, and they haven’t always turned into stars with him behind the bench. Not only that, some of these former top picks either found success on different teams or were more productive after Hynes was relieved from his duties. 

    Below are three specific examples of prospects who thrived after Hynes departed.

    Hockey Wilderness looked into how Hynes handled Jack Hughes during their brief time together. However, players as talented as Hughes occasionally thrive regardless of their situation. Still, that’s not to say there were no gripes from the fanbase. 

    “The coaching situation does not work, and that’s as clear as ever today. Looking at the decisions made before the game and in the game against the Pittsburgh Penguins, it’s clear something isn’t clicking,” wrote Nick Villano of Pucks and Pitchforks, a Fansided Devils site. “Head coach John Hynes put his most talented player Jack Hughes with a young player trying to find his way in Jesper Boqvist and a veteran who’s lost two steps in Wayne Simmonds.” 

    But Hughes isn’t the best example from New Jersey, though. When Hynes took over, Kyle Palmeri and Adam Henrique were New Jersey’s leading scorers. They are not bad players by any stretch of the imagination, but they are not exactly players you want to build a franchise around. 

    Due to their subpar play on the ice (28-40-14), the Devils landed the first overall pick in 2017 and selected Swiss superstar Nico Hischier. At the time, New Jersey was almost devoid of talent outside Taylor Hall and Hischier. In a developmental 2017-18 season, Hynes gave Hischier the second-most minutes among forwards. That led to Hischier having a successful rookie year, playing all 82 games while notching 20 goals in a 52-point campaign. 

    While that’s great, a downward trend in Hischier’s point totals showed it was hard for the young center to build off of his rookie success. Instead of getting better, his progress stagnated. In his sophomore season, Hischier led the forwards in time on ice per game but saw only a marginal increase in his point-per-game totals (0.63 as a rookie to 0.68).

    Most damningly, In his third season, Hischier was far and away the team leader in ice time per game. Hynes put him on the top powerplay unit, the top line, giving him all the prime opportunities you’d like to see. Despite all that, his point-per-game totals dropped to his rookie level of 0.63 points per game (15 points in 24 games before Hynes’ dismissal).

    Now, does this lack of growth from Hischier fall on Hynes’s shoulders? Maybe not. But after injury-hampered 2019-20, the year New Jersey fired Hynes, and 2020-21 seasons, he exploded with 21 goals and 60 points in 70 games. Since that season, Hischier has scored over 30 goals and reached 80 points. The Switzerland-born forward is finally reaching his full potential. 

    While the Hischier case may have just been a young player working through the game, Hynes's time in Nashville is a different story. 

    Eeli Tolvanen is the first example that comes to mind. Nashville’s first-round pick was a KHL star but struggled to find any traction after making his full-time NHL debut during the 2020-21 season. 

    Tolvanen didn’t exactly deliver on the hype upon his arrival to the NHL. Tolvanen put up historic numbers as an 18-year-old in the KHL. Tolvanen had the best season ever for an 18-year-old playing in the KHL. Yes, that means it’s better than Kirill Kaprizov, Evgeny Kuznetsov, and Artemi Panarin. Tolvanen’s 36 points in 49 games is four points better than the fella in second. 

    He played in 40 games and recorded 11 goals and 22 points in his first season. Still, Tolvanen was putting up a positive Corsi For % while only playing 12 minutes a night. Not all bad for a rookie. 

    In Tolvanen’s second season, he failed to improve all that much. He got 25 more games and produced just one more point than his rookie season. It was an incredibly disappointing performance from a player for whom the organization had high hopes. The stagnation was astounding. Hynes had Tolvanen producing on the powerplay (12 of his 23 points) but struggling mightily at even strength while his ice time fluctuated all year. 

    Tolvanen started the next season on a cold streak that ended up with the Predators putting him on waivers after just 13 games. The Seattle Kraken claimed him, and he’s looked more like the player Nashville thought they were getting when they drafted him since then. Tolvanen put up 16 goals and 27 points in 48 games with Seattle last season and has 16 points in 24 games this year.

    Notably, his point total would be tied for third on the Predators this year, behind Filip Forsberg and Ryan O’Reilly. One year later, the Predators have neither Tolvanen nor the coach who was in place when Nashville waived him. Ann Kimmel of The Hockey News had some choice words about the situation in a May 31 article:

    “The lack of clarity on Tolvanen's role was frustrating to a fan base who had been waiting to see this particular player become an NHL staple in Nashville,” Kimmel explained. “[Tolvanen] never found the niche spot that he eventually found success in with Seattle.” Reminiscent of what happened with Calen Addison in Minnesota, it seems like the focus was more on making Tolvanen a different player rather than playing to his strengths.

    While Seattle could rehabilitate Tolvanen’s value, Hynes could not do the same for former sixth-overall pick Cody Glass. Nashville got the smart, skilled 22-year-old post-hype prospect in the Ryan Ellis trade. But despite Glass’ talent, his development seemed to have faltered under Hynes.

    It wasn’t like Glass wasn’t an elite scorer in juniors and the AHL, as he has 22 goals and 79 points over 88 career AHL games. Still, he hasn’t entirely found his footing in the NHL thus far. This story of Hynes and Glass rings eerily similar to that of the Wild organization and Marco Rossi.

    Dean Evason was able to give Rossi the promotion he deserved, and the Wild are reaping the benefits of that decision. When Glass got that shot in the 2022-23 season, though, his 14-goal, 35-point season felt underwhelming. There was the sense that Hynes left a lot on the table, as Nick Morgan of On The Forecheck illustrated:

    “There seems to be a frequent discrepancy between Glass’s talents and the ‘identity’ Hynes wants him to embody,” Morgan dishes. “The downside of that is that it leaves players like Glass (and Tolvanen) pigeon-holed. More often than not lately, Glass has been relegated to the press box simply because his style of play doesn’t fit what Hynes wants from his depth lines.”  

    Glass’s situation was not an isolated incident, either. Instead, close observers of the Predators repeatedly criticized Hynes’ difficulty managing and dealing with younger players. 

    “Hynes’ coaching style matches way better with a veteran-laden team that plays a staunch defensive style,” Chad Minton of Pred Lines said. “Maybe there’s a team out there that Hynes can make that work with, but the new-look Predators isn’t that team, clearly.” 

    Huh, a veteran-laden team that plays a staunch defensive style. Doesn’t that sound like the Wild team we know and love? That’s maybe fine for this year, but what about next year and beyond?

    Hynes’ failures in developing these young players in his past roles are a concern because of the incoming wave of Wild prospects. Minnesota has a plethora of young players and prospects who will be looking to carve out NHL jobs soon. Danila Yurov, Marat Khusnutdinov, Liam Öhgren, Riley Heidt, Daemon Hunt, Carson Lambos, and Adam Beckman are just a few that could be named who are going to be knocking on the door of the NHL in the coming years. 

    Bill Guerin indicated that his new head coach will be sticking around for a while, and the numerous veterans on long-term deals with no-move clauses will leave little open spots for young players and prospects to make their way onto the roster. They will likely have to fight their way onto the roster in bottom-six roles like Tolvanen, and Glass had to in Nashville.

    Glass has defended Hynes, saying that “he did wonders for my game.” Hynes was able to connect with his players on a personal level. That does not mean it would turn out positively when they stepped on the ice. A personal connection is great, but the eye test also speaks volumes. 

    These examples of young players struggling under the watchful eye of Hynes do not guarantee Minnesota will suffer the same fate. Hynes seems to have a particular style, and the Wild seem to draft with that sort of style in mind.

    But how he’s dealt with young players in the past presents a worry that Hynes’s coaching philosophy is incompatible with a youth movement. A lot can and will change with the Wild in the next couple of seasons, but it won’t be the coach. Hynes needs to adjust how he develops prospects or risk keeping the Wild trapped in their perpetual cycle of mediocrity.

    All stats and data via HockeyDB, Evolving Hockey, and CapFriendly unless otherwise noted. 

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    Good informative article.  Why won’t Billy say how many years he signed Hynes for?  And for how much ? I get not sharing the amount but the years seems weird . 

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    With the NJ players, they seemed a little young to take the league by storm. Perhaps he actually adjusted their games not to be a defensive liability on the ice when they're there. Hughes and Hischier look to have grown as good players though.

    I think Glass' comments are important. He says Hynes helped him a lot with his game. I think Hynes likes a full 200' game in his players and most top 5 picks do not have that play in their bags. 

    Here is the optimistic part of Hynes' coaching: He gives the young players elevated roles on the team. We saw Evason be leery of this. Look at the TOI for Faber who is thriving. Boldy seems to be doing better, Rossi isn't suffering at all. Maybe Hynes likes young players who can play the 200' game. Lucky for him, those are the kinds of players we drafted! Even Dino and Yurov have those in their game. He'll probably like our cavalry of defenders too who are puck moving D with enough size and strength to defend. 

     

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    59 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    With the NJ players, they seemed a little young to take the league by storm. Perhaps he actually adjusted their games not to be a defensive liability on the ice when they're there. Hughes and Hischier look to have grown as good players though.

    I think Glass' comments are important. He says Hynes helped him a lot with his game. I think Hynes likes a full 200' game in his players and most top 5 picks do not have that play in their bags. 

    Here is the optimistic part of Hynes' coaching: He gives the young players elevated roles on the team. We saw Evason be leery of this. Look at the TOI for Faber who is thriving. Boldy seems to be doing better, Rossi isn't suffering at all. Maybe Hynes likes young players who can play the 200' game. Lucky for him, those are the kinds of players we drafted! Even Dino and Yurov have those in their game. He'll probably like our cavalry of defenders too who are puck moving D with enough size and strength to defend. 

     

    Hynes had 5 years with NJ to develop just a playoff team so that we could compare 1'st round failures with DE and he couldn't do it.

    DE had teams that weren't expected to make the playoffs and got them there with 100+ point seasons.

    This whole DE ouster is not gonna look good for ole Billy G. My bet is Deano, without a team as of now, will win a 1'st round series before Hynzy will. JMO

     

     

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    2 hours ago, Dean said:

    Good informative article.  Why won’t Billy say how many years he signed Hynes for?  And for how much ? I get not sharing the amount but the years seems weird . 

    All that was said was "multi-year"

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    I only heard bill on radio not willing to answer how many years or how much for hynes. . 3 x 1.75 . Sounds fair. It was just weird bill wouldn’t answer question when asked multiple times. 
       

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    2 minutes ago, Dean said:

    I only heard bill on radio not willing to answer how many years or how much for hynes. . 3 x 1.75 . Sounds fair. It was just weird bill wouldn’t answer question when asked multiple times. 
       

    This is the dictator aspect of BG’s personality.  He should understand that that info will come out and just say it.  Instead his brain says “you can’t tell me what to do”.  It’s his Achilles heal.  Again, if he wins that becomes a lovable quirk, if he doesn’t win it becomes sinister

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    Reading people are mad about Brodin hit. I find it confusing that we supposedly have a gritty tough team yet we let our stars get run all the time with no real response . Foligno is making 4 and I would assume part of his job is to protect teammates. Yet he wastes his time with nobody’s who play 4 minutes a night . Teams run our best guys and we cross check ankles . 
         2 ways to protect your teammates. 1 Have a lights out power play that makes you pay for stupidity . Or 2 run there stars not there nobodies. The should have been running Mcdavid and Leon. Then teams would think twice about being stupid.  If someone runs a NYR star player. , they better keep their head up for years because trouba is going to get you. Not the wild . They just let kappy and brodin get run and no one pays. Not really a gritty tough team. 

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    58 minutes ago, Dean said:

    Reading people are mad about Brodin hit. I find it confusing that we supposedly have a gritty tough team yet we let our stars get run all the time with no real response . Foligno is making 4 and I would assume part of his job is to protect teammates. Yet he wastes his time with nobody’s who play 4 minutes a night . Teams run our best guys and we cross check ankles . 
         2 ways to protect your teammates. 1 Have a lights out power play that makes you pay for stupidity . Or 2 run there stars not there nobodies. The should have been running Mcdavid and Leon. Then teams would think twice about being stupid.  If someone runs a NYR star player. , they better keep their head up for years because trouba is going to get you. Not the wild . They just let kappy and brodin get run and no one pays. Not really a gritty tough team. 

    Hinzy said they shouldn't have retaliated at all. 

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    I don't think the Wild should be, nor ever will be, a full throttle offensive style team.  It puts strain on the goaltending and defense, and we've seen what terrible defense looks like just this season.  I fully understand wanting some lights out 80-100 point scorers on the team...but the Wild had 2-3 a few seasons ago and STILL couldn't make that work in crunch time.

    If new players come in fully fleshed out and lean towards the defensive game, I think the Wild have shown that 3-4 goals a night isn't an utter impossibility.  I would much rather make it easier for Gus and Wallstedt to come in and know, "Hey, if only let 2-3 in a game, we're probably good enough to win any night.  Asking them to stop 4 to 5 per game if they play balls to the wall is going to burn out quickly.

    I get the sense Hynes is going to err on the side of caution, while still letting new players do what they need to do to succeed.  Lots of players are going to age out, but I think the Wild have enough structure to not let things get out of hand going forward.

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    6 hours ago, Dean said:

    Reading people are mad about Brodin hit. I find it confusing that we supposedly have a gritty tough team yet we let our stars get run all the time with no real response . Foligno is making 4 and I would assume part of his job is to protect teammates. Yet he wastes his time with nobody’s who play 4 minutes a night . Teams run our best guys and we cross check ankles . 
         2 ways to protect your teammates. 1 Have a lights out power play that makes you pay for stupidity . Or 2 run there stars not there nobodies. The should have been running Mcdavid and Leon. Then teams would think twice about being stupid.  If someone runs a NYR star player. , they better keep their head up for years because trouba is going to get you. Not the wild . They just let kappy and brodin get run and no one pays. Not really a gritty tough team. 

    I don't even need to rehash my position on this. You are spot on because our PP is, well it's lights out, but in a different way.

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    5 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    Hinzy said they shouldn't have retaliated at all. 

    Heinzy also had a team in Nashville leading the league in fighting majors. Evander Kane is a big guy who fights well, Draisaitl is pretty big too, but running McDavid, yes...if you can catch him. I suspect that may have been a problem.

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    3 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

    defenseman Jonas Brodin is going to miss significant time with an upper-body injury.

    Just exactly what is considered upper body? Would the lower back count? I'd be thinking middle body is a better description. And the way Kane followed through on the hit seeing the numbers, dirty play and boarding. I wonder if it will be reviewed?

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    18 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Just exactly what is considered upper body? Would the lower back count? I'd be thinking middle body is a better description. And the way Kane followed through on the hit seeing the numbers, dirty play and boarding. I wonder if it will be reviewed?

    Come on...you know the answer. It's a Mn Wild player! "No big loss." - Gary Bettman

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    3 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

    Come on...you know the answer. It's a Mn Wild player! "No big loss." - Gary Bettman

    Yes, and you know my response to that! Meltdown mode!

    I was looking at Brodin's injury update. Originally he was listed as LBI out unknown. Later the same day it change to UBI week to week. 

    I've had my back go out a few times. I limped around for a long time, went to the chiropractor for help, took muscle relaxers until it was realigned. To me, the way Brodin went off, that's what it looked like to me. And just getting him feeling better isn't the end, he's got to get everything set right and then restrengthen so it will stay in place. 

    So, when I said middle body injury is probably more accurate, that's where I think it is. Also, after the hit in Vancouver, he didn't look right, I think Kane just finished him off completely. And, it was boarding. A meltdown in Edmonton would have been warranted. I think I'd wait for the next non-call and embarrass the hell out of the referees. 

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    On 12/9/2023 at 10:13 PM, mnfaninnc said:

    Just exactly what is considered upper body? Would the lower back count? I'd be thinking middle body is a better description. And the way Kane followed through on the hit seeing the numbers, dirty play and boarding. I wonder if it will be reviewed?

    Looked like a collar bone to me the way he skated off.

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    19 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

    Looked like a collar bone to me the way he skated off.

    Really? I did not see him holding an arm and when he went down on all 4s it didn't look like he was weaker in one area. What tips you off to this?

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    20 hours ago, Disco Strangler said:

    Looked like a collar bone to me the way he skated off.

    If it isn't lower or mid back, I could see it being ribs.  Didn't seem like the clavicle.

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    56 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Really? I did not see him holding an arm and when he went down on all 4s it didn't look like he was weaker in one area. What tips you off to this?

    Actually, that's why I thought it might be the CB is because he skated off holding his left arm I thought. But, come think of it, when they had a shot of him walking down the tunnel, I don't recall him holding the arm so maybe not.

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