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  • More Coaches Should Copy John Hynes' Overtime Gambit


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    Tony Abbott

    On Friday night, the Colorado Avalanche denied the Minnesota Wild a much-needed point in overtime. Valeri Nichushkin sank the critical goal while the Avs enjoyed a 4-on-3 power play. One has to wonder if John Hynes, whose team is in desperation mode, stewed on the bench and thought If only that were us.

    Whether Friday's loss was weighing on Hynes' brain or not, it sure feels like his Hail Mary on Sunday after was a response to that crucial missed point. In a must-win Sunday matinee against the Nashville Predators, Hynes pulled Marc-Andre Fleury from the net. It was a massive risk, but gave the reward of effectively giving his team a 4-on-3 power play.

    The move paid off when Matt Boldy ended the game on a cross-ice one-timer from Mats Zuccarello. Thanks to the advantage in the offensive zone, the Wild were able to set up for the play, giving Boldy all the room in the world to hit his spot.

    NHL coaches are conservative and risk-averse by nature. Curiously, Hynes was at one point no exception to that trope. It's not a perfect measure, but in his final three full seasons with the New Jersey Devils, he ranked 24th in minutes played with an empty net, according to Natural Stat Trick.

    However, once he went to coach Nashville, his Perds team jumped all the way to 10th in the NHL over his three full seasons. Some of that might be because Nashville had more top-tier talent. Therefore, it was more capable of scoring with the extra boost. But it might also be a sign of him evolving with the times. Taking that enormous risk in overtime would line up with the thinking that his appetite for increasing risk to increase reward.

    "It's not something that you do all the time," Hynes conceded. "But I think in our position, we wanna be aggressive, we wanna get two points.... One point, no points, it's not gonna do us any good. We gotta get two points."

    The closest thing to this gambit in the sports world is the NFL's fourth-down revolution. Like pulling a goalie in overtime, it's an all-or-nothing strategy that can go wrong as easily as it can go right. But analytics tend to be on the side of aggression on fourth down, and there's a lot of support for NHL coaches using this tactic more often.

    Teams that opt for a 4-on-3 setup meaningfully increase the likelihood that they'll score a goal. Just for the sake of context, let's look at what NHL teams score on other strengths. At 5-on-5, they've averaged 2.52 goals per hour over the past five seasons, or a goal every 23.8 minutes.

    In 2015-16, the NHL reduced the number of players on the ice to 3-on-3 in overtime to increase scoring. The added space works brilliantly to that effect. In the past five years, teams have averaged 6.17 goals per hour at 3-on-3, or a goal every 9.7 minutes.

    Not only does that mean that a team will score in a 5-minute 3-on-3 overtime on average. But it also increases scoring almost to the level of teams on the power play. The average 5-on-4 power play gets 7.12 goals per hour -- a goal every 8.4 minutes.

    If you're keeping scoring at home, just going from 5-on-5 to a 5-on-4 power play nearly triples the scoring rate of a team. Going to a power play in a 3-on-3 game similarly puts scoring into overdrive.

    Across the league (in a sample of over 2700 minutes), 4-on-3 power plays score 14.06 goals per hour (one every 4.3 minutes). That's more than twice the rate of a 3-on-3 team's scoring and almost exactly double that of a standard 5-on-4 power play.

    How big of an advantage is that? Pick either a 5-on-4 power play or a 3-on-3 team. The gap between the number of goals either of those teams scores per hour and the scoring rate of a 4-on-3 team is larger than the gap between a 4-on-3 team and a 5-on-3 team (19.14 goals per hour). It's monumental.

    Granted, the risk it carries might be too much to stomach for teams who aren't as desperate for that extra point. Having the puck sail back into your empty net costs you the second point for a win and the initial point your team banked by going into overtime. 

    But that's not enough to deter one of the greatest players to ever take the ice. NHL Hall of Famer and Columbus Blue Jackets legend Sergei Fedorov coaches CSKA Moscow, Kirill Kaprizov's former KHL team. He's pulled his goalie in overtime, with the same risky rules that exist in the NHL, multiple times to his teams' benefit. 

    Hynes's use of that strategy today gives it some proof of concept for today's coaches to take notice of. Maybe it's a Break Glass In Case of Emergency type of thing, but there have to have been teams that could have used this strategy between today and October 28, 2017, the last time pulling a goalie in overtime affected the outcome of a game.

    As for the Wild's perspective, Hynes took a big, aggressive swing that was innovative and had data on his side. If that's indicative of the kind of decision-making he brings to the table, Minnesota may be in good hands for the long haul.

    All data via Evolving-Hockey unless otherwise stated.

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    This was the time and place to do this.  No coach would be a coach for long to do risk that OT point early in the season though.

    I think we should get rid of that rule and let anyone pull the goalie in OT without risking a point.  (maybe switch to PWHL point system?)

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    So this season, the Wild are 3-2 in shootouts, with MAF being 1-1 and GusGus being 2-1.  Basically, if we take it to a shootout, it's going to be a coin flip.

    Wild needed a point, had possession and took a calculated risk that they'd either continue to have control, or score a goal with the ~1minute left.

    Had NSH scored, might be more difficult to defend the decision, but with NSH holding the last WC spot with 1.16 points/game getting 2 points (and holding NSH to 1) keeps that door open ever so slightly.

    However, I'm here for it...watching meaningful hockey games is far more exciting than watching a bunch of guys ready to hit the golf course.

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    The Preds looked shocked out on the ice after MAF skated off. They seemed extremely cautious IMO. The Wild grabbed the initiative and capitalized on it. You can bet coaches around the league will take notice and make adjustments. In the Wild’s current position in the standings I wouldn’t be surprised if HCJH gives it another shot. Sure was fun watching!! 

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    1 hour ago, Burnt Toast said:

    The Preds looked shocked out on the ice after MAF skated off. They seemed extremely cautious IMO. The Wild grabbed the initiative and capitalized on it. You can bet coaches around the league will take notice and make adjustments. In the Wild’s current position in the standings I wouldn’t be surprised if HCJH gives it another shot. Sure was fun watching!! 

    I was listening on the radio and Nanne's call was something like 'And Fleury's off the ice...oooohhh, this is a bad move, I dont like this at all, AND BOLDY SCORES!!!'

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    Let's be honest about this. The reason it worked was because of the element of surprise. Now that teams are aware of it, all across the league, the success and failure will be a little different. 

    I applaud Heinzy for giving it a try. It was sneaky. But to do this thing more often isn't really going to happen. I get the stats, but it's that empty net I'd be worried about. Of course, if the opponents miss the net, it's icing and they get no change. We can come back with fresh troops and a goalie. 

    On the hard to defend the decision part, it was a risk. Even if it doesn't work out what's the worst that could happen? We move up the lottery pick standings. 

    I like that Heinzy is trying to win. That is his job regardless of how the season was going. All the players should be trying to win too.

    I was blocked out from the Nashville game yesterday, but I did get to watch some bonus hockey over the weekend. I watched part of the Bruins blowout of the Penguins, and I've got to say, I'll be surprised if Mike Sullivan is still coaching there next season. I'm pretty well sold that if he is let go, he's coming here in some kind of role. 

    He did not have the look of a coach whose team was competitive. Would he even want to come here? Somehow I believe he and Guerin have some solid ties and would, even though our roster isn't there yet.

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    57 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Let's be honest about this. The reason it worked was because of the element of surprise. Now that teams are aware of it, all across the league, the success and failure will be a little different. 

    I applaud Heinzy for giving it a try. It was sneaky. But to do this thing more often isn't really going to happen. I get the stats, but it's that empty net I'd be worried about. Of course, if the opponents miss the net, it's icing and they get no change. We can come back with fresh troops and a goalie. 

    That had to have helped, but it can absolutely work again - you just are going to get burned sometimes. Is it more or less likely to cost you points over the long haul, is the question.

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    29 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    That had to have helped, but it can absolutely work again - you just are going to get burned sometimes. Is it more or less likely to cost you points over the long haul, is the question.

    I feel like we could use advanced analytics looking across the league at 4-3 power plays and predict, given control in offensive zone by the attacking team, how long it takes for the 3-man team to get possession and clear the puck, and then weight that by knowing being the 3-man team in a pulled goalie situation you might be apt to play a bit more aggressively knowing that you still get a loser point.

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    Thinking this through a little more, you could probably use it to your advantage if you've got fresh players, possession, and the other team has gassed players. One would think that as soon as a timer dings on the opposition, that strategy becomes a benefit. I don't know what that time needs to be, you could completely hem in an opponent that way. Tired guys do not shoot accurately from 180', and you'd have to be on them as soon as they got possession.

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    Patrick Roy started the trend of pulling the goalie in regulation with 4 minutes or more left on the clock to get  the goal to tie the game. Then it seemed everyone started doing it and now you rarely see it. This could be the same thing. Desperate teams do desperate things and the Wild always seem to be in some level of desperation this time of the year. 

    Segei Federov Columbus Blue Jackets legend?? 🤣

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    Last night, my blackout was lifted and I got to watch the game. 

    I paid attention, specifically, to the Adam Beckman line. 1st of all, starting out the game with Foligno going after Carrier seemed like a nice way to get the crowd warmed up. I suspect that going forward, we will need to see Foligno do this more as well as heavy hits in the corners. He threw at least 1.

    Foligno also had a nice back pass to Beckman in the slot, and Beckman wasted no time in delivering a quality SOG. Beckman also appeared to be the 1st forward in several times trying to forecheck, and this will be my point of contention. 

    I really like that Beckman is getting a chance, but in seeing his full game, there are some holes. For instance, he is not physical. He did a lot of swatting at pucks and trying to make turnovers, but very little board work, and very little actual forechecking. On the line he was on, that line has to finish its checks, and Beckman simply did not do that. Yet, when it came to physical play, I thought he also got pushed around. 

    These are the examples I use as evidence that Beckman simply isn't strong enough to play in the N yet. Unless he's going top line, he is simply too weak and light to make a difference. Throughout his ascent, you can tell he's relied on being a volume shooter. His defensive game looks like it has improved. But if your role is not being that volume shooter, you have to have some other sort of usefulness. 

    I didn't think he was overly fast, but he also wasn't slow. I didn't think he had particularly good edges, in fact, sometimes it looked like the speed of the N was a little too much. There was no physicality to speak of. So, what do you really have? I'd really like him to get his 1st goal so he can relax, and maybe we'll see something then?

    Another thing that stuck out to me was Mason Shaw. Shaw is in that short and 185 lb. category. But, Shaw looks thick and will drop with anyone. He simply doesn't give up. He's a real pest. He's the kind of guy that was made for the 4th line! His effort is always there.

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    25 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    starting out the game with Foligno going after Carrier seemed like a nice way to get the crowd warmed

    I’m beginning to understand Foligno’s value.  Clearly not to make hockey plays, but he’s a hybrid enforcer type.  The enforcer role serves a lot of purposes in ice hockey (intimidation, retribution, crowd hype man, etc), and if enforcer can hold they stick and keep up with the play that’s bonus.  Delaurieus and reeves are enforcer clowns.  At least Foligno isn’t as bad as them.  That is nicest I can say

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    31 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    But, Shaw looks thick and will drop with anyone.

    Shawzy looks like his handles have improved since injury.  Don’t know if he’s playing on pure adrenaline right now or not, but one more reason to like this fire hydrant

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    The Wild need an energy line or two that can produce. I'd like to see a KBS like. Knudi, with Beckman and Shaw. That line could be a little bit small but potentially dynamic with weapons to meet that kind of requirement. Beckman is your shooter, but I totally agree with mnfaninnc that Beckman adding weight and physicality would be huge for the overall impact he can make. Hits disrupt, and with Shaw/Knudi that should lead to opportunities. Equally if the Russo-Canadian alliance can loosen up pucks on the forecheck there's a potential to score greasy ones AND bang-bang goals. If we could get 10-15 games with a young line like this, I'd be pretty pleased with the sample for evaluation.

    If these three got going, it would be the ultimate positive development for MN and these guys individually. To see Beckman begin to score, Knudi fitting in well, and Shaw reaffirmation would be awesome.

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