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    Phillip Garrett

    The Minnesota Wild are rolling. 

    They have been keeping games close and often coming out with a win. Much of the Wild’s success has been due to their key pieces staying healthy. However, all good things must end. 

    Entering the 10th week of the season, the Wild are missing Mats Zuccarello, Jonas Brodin, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Jakub Lauko due to injury. Lauko is the only one slated to return soon. The Wild expect him to return before their first visit to Salt Lake City. With the recent influx of injuries, Hynes has had to juggle some lines. A few players have had to step up in their absence. 

    We all know what happened to Zuccarello. However, the only positive development is that Matt Boldy has shone in his absence. 

    The Wild will miss Brodin, but the Wild have performed well defensively. Minnesota’s other blueliners, including Jon Merrill, have stepped up. 

    However, the hole Eriksson Ek left in his absence is concerning. The Wild have kept games close. With a defensive mindset first and a below-average powerplay, Minnesota scored at a mediocre rate. Entering the season’s second quarter, the Wild are 13th in the league in GF with 86 and GF/GP at 3.19.

    Enter Marco Rossi. After the Wild put Eriksson Ek on IR, Rossi has gotten a chance to prove again that he’s not a bust. On December 6, during their first game in a California doubleheader, Rossi got to try out playing between Kirill Kaprizov and Matt Boldy.

    He made the most of his opportunity. Rossi came home with two goals and three points, two of which came at even strength. Put anyone between players like Kaprizov and Boldy, and they will thrive. Still, Ek had just suffered a lower-body injury, and Rossi was still putting up points. 

    Rossi has scored six points in his last five games, and only two were on the powerplay. Furthermore, his numbers have been good all season. Rossi has scored nine goals and 23 points in 25 games. He is on pace to finish the season with 78 points. I doubt he will get to those numbers, but his best chance would be between Kaprizov and Boldy or Zuccarello. 

    But what about when Eriksson Ek returns? Should he rejoin the first line and bump Rossi down the lineup? In my opinion, no. Despite the issues that Ek has been experiencing with injuries, the center has been underperforming in areas where he previously thrived. 

    For example, Eriksson Ek is typically productive on the powerplay. In the last three seasons, Ek has found the back of the net 12 times with the man advantage, averaging 20 powerplay points alongside his goals. Conversely, Eriksson Ek has one powerplay goal and only two powerplay points this season. Considering the Wild are ranked 19th in PP% at 19.4%, we could use the old Ek. 

    Ek hasn’t looked much better at five-on-five, having only scored five goals and 13 points this season. Even with Rossi and Ek in the lineup, Rossi has been the most impressive player. Rossi seems like the more skilled forward, so he fits well between Boldy and Kaprizov. While Ek has succeeded on the first line, his best seasons have come with the team's more checking-focused lines. 

    Eriksson Ek plays physical hockey and looks for his scoring down and around the net. Given his size, you’d think he’d find scoring opportunities from the talented forwards throwing the puck on the net. Still, with Kaprizov’s elevated gameplay, the first line has been playing east-west, not north-south. For Eriksson Ek to continue his career success, he must be on a line that focuses on getting the puck to the net and staying there. He hasn’t found that this year. 

    On the other hand, Rossi has kept up with Kaprizov and Boldy and scored alongside them. Rossi’s contract is a fifth of the size of Ek’s. However, I expect that to change at the end of the year if the Wild stick with Rossi. Still, some people think that the Wild will trade Rossi, and how Minnesota has treated the young center supports this theory.

    Although he has built on his 40-point season from last year, Rossi must continue to prove himself over the already established center core. Eriksson Ek is a talented player who likely isn’t playing to his standard this season. Therefore, Rossi likely has limited time to make his case as the best center in Minnesota. 

    The Wild have been looking for a No. 1 center to fit on their highly talented first line, and fans have been begging for real center depth for years. Minnesota has found that depth. Let's hope Hynes makes the right decision and keeps betting on No. 23 because he has solidified the Wild up the middle this season and can for years to come. 

    If they begin to trust the young center, they can lock him in for a long time after this season. With Rossi’s slowly developing career, his contract could likely be team-friendly. 

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    3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Well, I think it's more because Ottawa's GM Staios said it and with conviction. According to those reporting on it, they believe Tkachuk will play out his contract in Ottawa. I think he has a designation too. 

    Now, what does Staios do if Tkachuk publicly asks out? Matthew did this in Calgary who also did not want to trade him. If Tkachuk says he won't resign with Ottawa, it seems like that is the time he will be available, but we're looking at about 2.5 seasons down the road. 

    I think Brady would be awesome here, I just don't think we can pry him loose...unless someone gets in his ear during the 4 nations tourney!!!!!!!

    He has to say it for the public

    thats how things work

    theres Pressure to win, he will listen to fair offers

    Brady is in place, trust in ODC

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    1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

    If you were a team offersheeting Rossi, what would you offer?

    $6.8xxm-$9.1xxm is a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounder. Who would offer something in that area? Is this the type of compensation that we'd like to get in return, or would we want something a little closer to ready?

    Rossi Zeev pick, salary retention and likely other for BT

    no prospects back

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    Just now, OldDutchChip said:

    He has to say it for the public

    thats how things work

    theres Pressure to win, he will listen to fair offers

    Brady is in place, trust in ODC

    I've wanted him since the rumors of Brady being sick of losing popped up this offseason. If I were Staios I wouldn't trade him either, and that's with a king's ransom. If Brady's in play, Shooter better be in.

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    That's the thing you don't realize: we DON"T have the chance.  A good early season rush is nice.  That's all it is.  Fletcher and Leipold were absolutely convinced every single year that the Wild were contenders.  They fucked up the future banking on a cup that didn't materialize because the team wasn't anywhere close to good enough.  I'm not and won't be convinced of taking risks until I see the Wild comfortably beat Dallas or Colorado, or etc.  It never mattered what the Wild put in front of those teams.  They would lose.

    That isn't defeatist.  That's reality.  Giving away 60-70 pt players on a whim because some other guy on some other team MIGHT be a better fit doesn't solve that you just sold a 70 pt 23 year old down the river.

    All I'm saying is let's see what that 70 pt player has playing actual playoff games and see if the team as constructed gets through that gauntlet the old teams couldn't.  If he doesn't, you can still cut bait and sign someone else.  Trading 3-5 years because "he small and won't win hypothetical games" won't cut it.

    Give me a team that has won a playoff series or two, and then I'm willing to take the Fletcher approach.  The team still has holes.  Blowing holes in the backend to frontload is just asking for trouble.  Tell me how Toronto has done.  So excuse me for trusting that Rossi kicked open his door and will continue to do so.  You can pay Kap, Rossi, and probably still have room for another top 6 guy.  Hell, maybe Yurov just walks in and gives you that for free.  Buium or Jiricek gets you extra darts to find Top 4 or even Top 2 guys, for free.

    Sorry if I'm convinced going whole hog too early is a dumb move.  I'd rather pay the people successful with our team, rather than Stamkos, Skjei, and Marchessault the team up shit creek.  Guerin is trying to drip feed players that succeed.  Looks like Faber, Rossi, and Boldy worked out well enough.  Why be in a hurry to get rid of more of those drip feeds?

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    2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    I could easily see him signing something for 6.5 mil and the cap is suppose to go up

    I’ll give you this one. I’d be very happy if we can get him for 3yrs@$6.5M.  Fair for both sides. 
     

    re:no offer sheet for Rossi. You’re dead wrong.  He was unproven still at beginning of year.  He’s shown the league this year that he’s worth taking a chance on (aka offer sheet)

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    2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    look at standing in the east - Billy is planning something

    Pewter's Christmas list in a Rossi Trade (includes us sending picks):

    1) Koneckny (PHI)

    2) Marner? TOR

    3) Kairu or Thomas STL

    4)Bratt NYJ (never happen but it is Christmas, so you're saying there's a chance)

    This is Operation: get 97 a running mate so he re-signs

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    44 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    That's the thing you don't realize: we DON"T have the chance.  A good early season rush is nice.  That's all it is.  Fletcher and Leipold were absolutely convinced every single year that the Wild were contenders.  They fucked up the future banking on a cup that didn't materialize because the team wasn't anywhere close to good enough.  I'm not and won't be convinced of taking risks until I see the Wild comfortably beat Dallas or Colorado, or etc.  It never mattered what the Wild put in front of those teams.  They would lose.

    That isn't defeatist.  That's reality.  Giving away 60-70 pt players on a whim because some other guy on some other team MIGHT be a better fit doesn't solve that you just sold a 70 pt 23 year old down the river.

    All I'm saying is let's see what that 70 pt player has playing actual playoff games and see if the team as constructed gets through that gauntlet the old teams couldn't.  If he doesn't, you can still cut bait and sign someone else.  Trading 3-5 years because "he small and won't win hypothetical games" won't cut it.

    Give me a team that has won a playoff series or two, and then I'm willing to take the Fletcher approach.  The team still has holes.  Blowing holes in the backend to frontload is just asking for trouble.  Tell me how Toronto has done.  So excuse me for trusting that Rossi kicked open his door and will continue to do so.  You can pay Kap, Rossi, and probably still have room for another top 6 guy.  Hell, maybe Yurov just walks in and gives you that for free.  Buium or Jiricek gets you extra darts to find Top 4 or even Top 2 guys, for free.

    Sorry if I'm convinced going whole hog too early is a dumb move.  I'd rather pay the people successful with our team, rather than Stamkos, Skjei, and Marchessault the team up shit creek.  Guerin is trying to drip feed players that succeed.  Looks like Faber, Rossi, and Boldy worked out well enough.  Why be in a hurry to get rid of more of those drip feeds?

    PREACH!!  I thought I had you pegged as a we're ready to make a run this year "guy".  Full chearleader mode guy.  Ok, bro-chella I think we're on same page re next couple years.  And if i heard you right we both like Rossi at the right price (and howTF does he go from ELC to $7M+).  But P-Blitzen Boldy did it.  He ain't Boldy...yet.  Boldy made it clear early he was real deal.  R-D'vark is slow rolling his coming out party.  

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    30 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’d be very happy if we can get him for 3yrs@$6.5M.  Fair for both sides. 

    Compare that to 4 years @ $3.5M for The Yak and you can see that Rossi's agent would be fired for malpractice if he let his client sign for that.  

    We're in the $7's with Rossi

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    I don't know if I've ever come across as the "this is their year" guy.  I'm positive and optimistic, but it comes with a tinge of pragmatism.  

    The Wild taught me in the Fletcher days that you can't build off a leaky foundation.  Buying your way to a championship or trading away for the "big name guys" doesn't always work.  It also says, "Well, this pretty dang good 60-80 point guy COULD be something,, but nah.  That shiny car over there would do wonders for us."  Or, the infamous Hanzal trade.  Or many many other trades the Fletcher era did.  They didn't have the team balance to compete, or they got beat anyway if they did (Staal being a hell of a bargin).

    I've been one of the people to look at Guerin's situation and think, "Well, what is he doing "right" instead of focusing on what he's doing wrong.  But even if most of his scenarios played out perfectly, I've never said, "Oh, strike now, do it now, go for it."

    Any number of things could go wrong.  Any number of players could or would help.  But what seems to be forgotten is Vegas was pretty much gifted a good team from the off, and THEN went after Eichel.  They had a couple years of playoff runs and were consistently 2nd round or whatever.  Toronto can spend $55m on the four best forwards all they want.  Still doesn't win them shit.  Edmonton 20 years ago and Buffalo 10 years ago would get gifted 1st rounders for days.  Didn't get them shit.

    What seems to be lost is that Guerin's approach is building a strong player base with a floor now.  He refused to tank, or wasn't allowed to.  So, he used what veteran players he had to keep the Rossis, Fabers, Boldys, etc to a minimum.  The players that rise to the top do, and those who don't wait their turn or blossom later.  Guerin still has so many options left to play, because he wasn't dumb enough to just trade them all away or splash them all onto the team at once, sink or swim.

    The Wild still need 1-2 consistent scorers and maybe a bit more size or snarl (not much but some).  They need to contend with Brodin and Spurgeon being older guys, and find those guys.  But what then?  You still need guys coming after who can be that 4th year, 5th year guy who may even replace THEM!

    Guerin's tightrope is kinda working now.  Faster than it had any right to.  If Rossi costs you $7m, you do it.  You get a failsafe 1st/2nd line center at 60-70 pts who may or may not get you 70-80 the next year.  He's still a few years off his prime.  But what if Yurov or Zeev are better than Rossi or Faber?  Figure out ways to pay them too.  Someone spent time finding ways to sign everyone that matters, while still being able to chip away at the Johanssons, the Hartmans, the Zuccarellos, the Spurgeons as they age out.  Rossi, Boldy, and Faber are just the start.  I'd like to have Ohgren, or Yurov, or Zeev be that next budding star.  I'd rather pay them for being the one who carry the team forward.  Then, if I have seen that 2nd or 3rd round success for once...THEN go for it.  I just want some sort of crash pad to break the team's fall if they fuck up.

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    That's the thing you don't realize: we DON"T have the chance.  A good early season rush is nice.  That's all it is.  Fletcher and Leipold were absolutely convinced every single year that the Wild were contenders.  They fucked up the future banking on a cup that didn't materialize because the team wasn't anywhere close to good enough.  I'm not and won't be convinced of taking risks until I see the Wild comfortably beat Dallas or Colorado, or etc.  It never mattered what the Wild put in front of those teams.  They would lose.

    That isn't defeatist.  That's reality.  Giving away 60-70 pt players on a whim because some other guy on some other team MIGHT be a better fit doesn't solve that you just sold a 70 pt 23 year old down the river.

    All I'm saying is let's see what that 70 pt player has playing actual playoff games and see if the team as constructed gets through that gauntlet the old teams couldn't.  If he doesn't, you can still cut bait and sign someone else.  Trading 3-5 years because "he small and won't win hypothetical games" won't cut it.

    Give me a team that has won a playoff series or two, and then I'm willing to take the Fletcher approach.  The team still has holes.  Blowing holes in the backend to frontload is just asking for trouble.  Tell me how Toronto has done.  So excuse me for trusting that Rossi kicked open his door and will continue to do so.  You can pay Kap, Rossi, and probably still have room for another top 6 guy.  Hell, maybe Yurov just walks in and gives you that for free.  Buium or Jiricek gets you extra darts to find Top 4 or even Top 2 guys, for free.

    Sorry if I'm convinced going whole hog too early is a dumb move.  I'd rather pay the people successful with our team, rather than Stamkos, Skjei, and Marchessault the team up shit creek.  Guerin is trying to drip feed players that succeed.  Looks like Faber, Rossi, and Boldy worked out well enough.  Why be in a hurry to get rid of more of those drip feeds?

    One of the best goalie in the league? Yes

    best player in the league? Yes

    one of the best shutdown D core? Yes

    Why fold? You realize we play it safe, that means Kap likely walks! You think zero success in playoffs for 6 years means he’ll be okay signing off on his prime years? Without a chance to go where HE wants to? 
     

    you go for it, cause next year Gus could be last years Gus, and we could be again building for future….. but future without Kap

     

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Pewter's Christmas list in a Rossi Trade (includes us sending picks):

    1) Koneckny (PHI)

    2) Marner? TOR

    3) Kairu or Thomas STL

    4)Bratt NYJ (never happen but it is Christmas, so you're saying there's a chance)

    This is Operation: get 97 a running mate so he re-signs

    Plus Tkachuk, Randy,  maybe check on Forsberg? 

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    30 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    I don't know if I've ever come across as the "this is their year" guy.  I'm positive and optimistic, but it comes with a tinge of pragmatism.  

    The Wild taught me in the Fletcher days that you can't build off a leaky foundation.  Buying your way to a championship or trading away for the "big name guys" doesn't always work.  It also says, "Well, this pretty dang good 60-80 point guy COULD be something,, but nah.  That shiny car over there would do wonders for us."  Or, the infamous Hanzal trade.  Or many many other trades the Fletcher era did.  They didn't have the team balance to compete, or they got beat anyway if they did (Staal being a hell of a bargin).

    I've been one of the people to look at Guerin's situation and think, "Well, what is he doing "right" instead of focusing on what he's doing wrong.  But even if most of his scenarios played out perfectly, I've never said, "Oh, strike now, do it now, go for it."

    Any number of things could go wrong.  Any number of players could or would help.  But what seems to be forgotten is Vegas was pretty much gifted a good team from the off, and THEN went after Eichel.  They had a couple years of playoff runs and were consistently 2nd round or whatever.  Toronto can spend $55m on the four best forwards all they want.  Still doesn't win them shit.  Edmonton 20 years ago and Buffalo 10 years ago would get gifted 1st rounders for days.  Didn't get them shit.

    What seems to be lost is that Guerin's approach is building a strong player base with a floor now.  He refused to tank, or wasn't allowed to.  So, he used what veteran players he had to keep the Rossis, Fabers, Boldys, etc to a minimum.  The players that rise to the top do, and those who don't wait their turn or blossom later.  Guerin still has so many options left to play, because he wasn't dumb enough to just trade them all away or splash them all onto the team at once, sink or swim.

    The Wild still need 1-2 consistent scorers and maybe a bit more size or snarl (not much but some).  They need to contend with Brodin and Spurgeon being older guys, and find those guys.  But what then?  You still need guys coming after who can be that 4th year, 5th year guy who may even replace THEM!

    Guerin's tightrope is kinda working now.  Faster than it had any right to.  If Rossi costs you $7m, you do it.  You get a failsafe 1st/2nd line center at 60-70 pts who may or may not get you 70-80 the next year.  He's still a few years off his prime.  But what if Yurov or Zeev are better than Rossi or Faber?  Figure out ways to pay them too.  Someone spent time finding ways to sign everyone that matters, while still being able to chip away at the Johanssons, the Hartmans, the Zuccarellos, the Spurgeons as they age out.  Rossi, Boldy, and Faber are just the start.  I'd like to have Ohgren, or Yurov, or Zeev be that next budding star.  I'd rather pay them for being the one who carry the team forward.  Then, if I have seen that 2nd or 3rd round success for once...THEN go for it.  I just want some sort of crash pad to break the team's fall if they fuck up.

    Vegas took aggressive approach not just with Eichel

    pacciorety

    stone

    petrangelo

    while we are afraid to make ONE move

    And then we wonder why MN is always out of it. It’s cause we are afraid to go for it!
    fine, be afraid and wait for that one chance that will sure to not disappoint 

    I hope Billy has bigger balls than you

     

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    13 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’ll give you this one. I’d be very happy if we can get him for 3yrs@$6.5M.  Fair for both sides. 
     

    re:no offer sheet for Rossi. You’re dead wrong.  He was unproven still at beginning of year.  He’s shown the league this year that he’s worth taking a chance on (aka offer sheet)

    Teams don’t want a small center. Him being small is a reason he’s not highly sought after even though he’s a great player. I’d  almost be willing to bet nobody offer sheets him.

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    4 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Teams don’t want a small center. Him being small is a reason he’s not highly sought after even though he’s a great player. I’d  almost be willing to bet nobody offer sheets him.

    Kap is one inch taller.

    But Kap is 20 pounds heavier (according to what's published).

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    15 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Because you say so?

    I think they’ll do what makes sense for team stuck at the bottom of conference 

     

    Why would they get rid of their best player lol? Hes in year 4 of a 7 year contract. All their stars are young and that’s the problem. It’s common sense.

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