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  • How Much Would Winning the Draft Lottery Change the Wild's Outlook?


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    Tony Abbott

    The theme for the Minnesota Wild since their inception has been being stuck in the middle of the NHL standings. They've flirted with being one of the top teams in the league some years, and in others, they've stumbled. This is reflected in their historic draft slots. Since winning a coin flip gave them the No. 3 overall pick (used on Marian Gaborik) as an expansion team, the Wild have never been slotted higher than fourth or lower than 24th in the draft order.

    So it would truly be the most Minnesota Wild thing ever for this to be the year the NHL Draft Lottery breaks in their favor. They have a 2.0% (one-in-50) chance to have their name called tonight, which would move them all the way up... to third overall in the draft.

    You can thank the New York Rangers for this. Or rather, all the general managers who cried to the NHL after one of the league's marquee franchises won Draft Lotteries in 2019 to select Kaapo Kakko at No. 2 overall and in 2020 to land the No. 1 overall pick and Alexis Lafreniere. After this, the NHL changed its draft lottery rules, with one stipulation being a team could only move up a maximum of 10 slots in the draft via a lottery win.

    So, there you go, the Wild are eliminated from the Macklin Celebrini Sweepstakes because Pierre Dorion (or some other probably-fired-by-now GM) had to settle for picking Tim Stützle over Lafreniere in 2020. As the ad campaign goes, not weird. Wild.

    Does this mean a lottery win will turn into ashes in the mouths of the State of Hockey? Could it drastically improve the position of their franchise for years to come? Or should Wild fans be more than content with sticking at No. 13 overall? Let's take a look.

    This won't come as a shock to anyone, but picking No. 3 should have a higher return on investment than Pick 13. But how much of a game-changer has that gap been in practice? Fortunately, we can stack up the career Wins Above Replacement for the No. 3 versus the No. 13 pick in each draft since 2007, so we're gonna do that now. 

    2007: Kyle Turris (No. 3), 5.4 WAR vs. Lars Eller (No. 13), 9.1 WAR
    2008: Zach Bogosian (No. 3), -1.2 WAR vs. Colten Teubert (No. 13), -0.5 WAR
    2009: Matt Duchene (No. 3), 27.7 WAR vs. Matt Kassian (No. 13), 0.3 WAR
    2010: Erik Gudbranson (No. 3), -5.3 WAR vs. Brandon Gormley (No. 13), 0.7 WAR
    2011: Jonathan Huberdeau (No. 3), 20.5 WAR vs. Sven Baertschi (No. 13), 4.6 WAR
    2012: Alex Galchenyuk (No. 3), 2.8 WAR vs. Radek Faksa (No. 13), 2.1 WAR
    2013: Jonathan Drouin (No. 3), 3.0 WAR vs. Josh Morrissey (No. 13), 10.2 WAR
    2014: Leon Draisaitl (No. 3), 24.3 WAR vs. Jakub Vrana (No. 13), 5.0 WAR
    2015: Dylan Strome (No. 3), 8.3 WAR vs. Jakub Zboril (No. 13), -0.4 WAR
    2016: Pierre-Luc Dubois (No. 3), 11.1 WAR vs. Jake Bean (No. 13), -0.5 WAR
    2017: Miro Heiskanen (No. 3), 10.7 WAR vs. Nick Suzuki (No. 13), 7.6 WAR
    2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi (No. 3), 1.9 WAR vs. Ty Dellandrea (No. 13), 1.8 WAR

    Of these 12 drafts, the team that picked No. 3 overall got more value from their pick eight times, with No. 13 getting the edge four times. But perhaps it's more useful to look at a more nuanced breakdown. From the No. 3 team's perspective, I'd classify these as being:

    • Four Huge Wins (Duchene, Huberdeau, Draisaitl, Dubois)
    • Two Moderate Wins (Strome, Heiskanen)
    • Two Relative Washes (Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi)
    • Two Losses (Turris, Drouin)
    • Two Where Everyone Loses (Bogosian, Gudbranson)

    There are some nice players in that No. 13 group. Getting a Suzuki, Morrissey, or Vrana out of the draft would no doubt help the Wild. But that one-in-three or so shot of hitting a home run is the big difference-maker here, and that's what Minnesota would be getting. It's still a lottery ticket, sure, but it's a way better one.

    Of course, not all drafts are created equal. Sometimes Draisaitl is sitting there for the taking at pick 3. Sometimes it's Galchenyuk. Which caliber of player are the Wild looking at between No. 3 and No. 13?

    TSN's Bob McKenzie posted his Draft Rankings for the lottery portion of the 2024 Draft on Monday. McKenzie's rankings serve as a consensus draft board not for public-facing scouts but for his many contacts within the industry. As such, they tend to be the most predictive of where a player will go in the draft.

    The caveat here is that McKenzie believes this year will be unpredictable. "I've been doing draft rankings for more than 35 years, and I don't recall a year where the Top 10 is such a hodgepodge of opinion," he writes. But let's give him some well-earned trust and look at the Nos. 3-5 and 13-15 players in his rankings, and examine deeper.

    No. 3 Options
    Anton Silayev, Left Defenseman
    Artyom Levshunov, Right Defenseman
    Cayden Lindstrom, Center

    These are the likely home run candidates Minnesota could target at No. 3 -- unless (another) Russian superstar in consensus No. 2 pick Ivan Demidov falls. One common thread these players have in common: They're all big boys. If the Wild want to go for size in this slot, they'll be able to while arguably still taking the best player available.

    Silayev is 6-foot-7 and playing in the KHL right now. His three goals and 11 points in 63 games might not seem impressive, but as a 17-year-old defenseman in the KHL, it's basically unheard of. Levshunov is a Belarusian-born defenseman playing for Michigan State, and it's safe to say he's adjusted to North American hockey. He scored nine goals and 35 points in 38 games as a freshman. Then there's Cayden Lindstrom, whom our own Kalisha Turnipseed profiled in detail last week

    Corey Pronman's draft rankings are, by design, very conservative on player comparisons. So it's pretty significant that Pronman compares Silayev, Levshunov, and Lindstrom to Zdeno Chara (though that's partly due to the lack of defensemen that size), Noah Dobson, and Chris Kreider, respectively. Chara is Chara, a (for now) singular talent in NHL history and Hall of Famer. Dobson is quietly one of the best defensemen in the league. Kreider has scored 39, 36, and 52 goals in his last three seasons.

    Now let's look at...

    No. 13 Options
    Cole Eiserman, Left Wing
    Beckett Sennecke, Right Wing
    Trevor Connelly, Left Wing

    The theme of this being the year of Bill Guerin's Big Boy Draft continues throughout the top-15. These Big Boys aren't quite as big at this point of the rankings, but 12 of McKenzie's top-15 players are 6-foot-0 or taller, making them Official Big Boys. These three players are no exception.

    But let's look past the height chart and into these players. Eiserman was once thought to be the No. 2 player in this class but has seen his stock fall over the season. This is despite him scoring a goal per game at each level of the U.S. Development Program teams he played on this year. He just scored nine goals in seven games at the Under-18 World Junior Championships. If he hits, he's a star. If not, per Pronman, he's more of an Owen Tippett-type.

    Sennecke's scouting reports read like he's got the Matt Boldy toolkit. He loves to carry the puck, and his ability to pass and shoot, combined with his 6-foot-2 frame, intrigues. Connelly skates well and is a very gifted, smart passer, though there are some real "Big Yikes" incidents in his past that might lead a team like the Wild, who put a lot of stock in character, to pass.

    But overall, the potential bump from No. 3 to No. 13 might not be as big as we'd expect. If we average out Hockey Prospecting's Star and NHLer probabilities for Silayev, Levshunov, and Lindstrom, these No. 3 pick candidates have an average of a 41% chance of getting a star and a 64% chance of becoming an NHLer. That's pretty good.

    Still, if we throw Eiserman, Sennecke, and Connelly into that same blender, the average probabilities come out as... a 37% chance of stardom and a 59% chance of landing an NHL player. 

    If almost sure-fire stars in Celebrini or Demidov were on the line for the Wild, things would be different. It would be worth watching the Draft Lottery through their endless commercials for that one-in-50 chance that the Wild's fortunes would change forever. That's not the world we occupy, though. It would still be exciting if Minnesota lands that No. 3 overall pick and gets their exact choice of these top prospects. But as for whether you need to watch the Draft Lottery or not? Meh. You don't need to be glued to your screen, you'll find out soon enough.

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    The nhl hates mn, no chance in hell do we get the 3rd overall. Not knocking the article at all but anyone who watches sports knows that politics in matters such as this are always for the "favored" teams. Big markets are always given an edge when it comes to drafts and refs. Sprinkle in a feel good story once every decade and realistically none of the leagues care about the best teams competing just the best markets.

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    I don't really see us winning the lottery. It just doesn't really happen like that for the Wild. Drafting 13 isn't bad and I hope we get somebody of value that can slot into the top 4 or middle 6.

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    I don't think the Wild should fret if they are at 13-15.  You can still get some good options at play, and some decently sized people (like Yakemchuk, Greentree, NB, Chernyshov, and Hage).  The list is proof 3 isn't a 1:1 home run.  Hell, Benoit Pouliot is proof enough...

    Hell, Eiserman would be nice, if only to have someone who isn't allergic to shooting.

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    3 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Hell, Eiserman would be nice, if only to have someone who isn't allergic to shooting.

    Eiserman feels a bit like Kessel in that he got the hype early enough for everyone to nitpick his game. But his numbers? Those are real nice. 

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    I'm feeling good about the lottery. We're due. All those 2% never really come to us, but we're due for some love and the NHL owes us. 

    If we do hop up to #3, I'm taking Cayden Lindstrom. 6'3-4" 216 already is an NHL made body. Skates well (checks off Brackett's box) has size (checks off Shooter's box) and he fills that center spot.

    I also like the big 6'7" Russian defender. He's also mean. He needs a little bulking up as he's light at 215. But, already playing in the K? That's a bonus. 

    If we stay at 13, I'm hoping for a large RHS bomb shooter such as Yakemchuk. I don't know much about Eiserman, but another LW is not what we need. If we go in that direction, we've got to trade some out. 

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    26 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I also like the big 6'7" Russian defender. He's also mean. He needs a little bulking up as he's light at 215. But, already playing in the K? That's a bonus. 

    If you think that's light, you definitely wouldn't like Trevor Connelly, mentioned above around pick #13-15(but could slide much further due to character flags).

    Connelly is listed at 6'1 and 161 pounds.

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    Very excited for the draft, but for one reason only -

    To see a trade! Wild trade!

    We MUST be ready to deal and must come prepared and have all the scenarios/pitches/variables/reroutes accounted for.

    Forget about the draftee, instead focus only on the pick. Leverage that, plus previous and future picks. Use assets that you have or assets that have not devalued (Rossi, Knut, etc).

    Do not loose sight of the bigger goal - next year is your year to build Kap's team. It is a team that he should lead (he already leads it but give him a C so that he can be a leader thru and thru) and the team that is build to maximizez its results in this coming year (at least a playoff series win).

    It's doable. If GM feels otherwise, get rid of him. It may require thinking ahead a few moves, so mapping out a path is crucial, especially with financial constraints, but it can be done. If GM does not have the capability to do that or people in place to do it for him, get rid of him. This is probably the biggest off season the Wild franchise ever had - do not ruin it. 

    Last year of Cap penalties, let's not make it the last year of Kap ..... of next year will be his farewell year......  😜

     

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    2008: Zach Bogosian (No. 3), -1.2 WAR vs. Colten Teubert (No. 13), -0.5 WAR

     

    • Two Where Everyone Loses (Bogosian, Gudbranson)

    I'm sorry, I'll bite here.  Did Bogosian steal a parking spot from you or something?

    • Colten Teubert's career stat line is 24 NHL Games, 0 G, 1A, 1 point
    • Zach Bogosian's career stat line is 848 NHL Games, 60 G, 167A, 267 points

    Suggesting that Teubert is a better player than Bogosian using WAR is absolutely asinine, and perversion of statistics to tell the story that you believe.  

    Hell, reading all these Kings fans yelling to trade PLD for a bag of pucks or buy him out (first year in his contract) would suggest that his 11.1 WAR is misleading to the product on the ice.  If you want to believe Kings fans, a 1:1 Bogosian for PLD would be a robbery for the Kings.  But yeah, his 11.1 WAR puts him in the 'HUGE WIN' category...

     

     

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    27 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

    I'm sorry, I'll bite here.  Did Bogosian steal a parking spot from you or something?

    • Colten Teubert's career stat line is 24 NHL Games, 0 G, 1A, 1 point
    • Zach Bogosian's career stat line is 848 NHL Games, 60 G, 167A, 267 points

    I don't necessarily think Teubert is better or worse. It's kind of an interesting question -- does a player who's hurt his team everywhere he's gone (aside from last season) better or worse than someone who couldn't play those kinds of minutes? In effect, it's a similar result in that it doesn't really help the team. Atlanta missed big, especially since Alex Pietrangelo was on the board. I don't think anyone can deny that.

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    1 hour ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    I predict MN. will get the 4'th pick.

    I believe it's #3 if we have the luck of the lotto,  or #13. Thems the rules. Unless the Wild engage in a trade.

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    3 minutes ago, PiranhasOnIce said:

    I believe it's #3 if we have the luck of the lotto,  or #13. Thems the rules. Unless the Wild engage in a trade.

    I'm probably wrong but I thought it was 3, 4 or 5 or 13, 14 or 15. were the possibilities for us.

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    5 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    I'm probably wrong but I thought it was 3, 4 or 5 or 13, 14 or 15. were the possibilities for us.

    I stand corrected.

     

    https://www.nhl.com/wild/news/minnesota-wild-nhl-draft-lottery-050724#:~:text=TONIGHT%3A The 2024 NHL Draft,the 2024 Upper Deck %23NHLDraft.&text=Minnesota currently owns the 13th,winning the 1st Lottery Draw.

    Thanks for setting me straight.  Of course I'm convinced that we will now pick at #15...as the MN screw will be in effect. 

     

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    I’m with old Dutch. Billy needs to do some big game hunting at the draft.  Kappy has one foot out the door .  Just think about that . Your franchise player doesn’t believe in the team.  How does that translate into a good culture in the room. The guy everyone looks to , to do everything for them doesn’t believe in what he’s doing .  It’s going to permeate the season all year .  That’s not a healthy culture. 
         The wild are the exact opposite of the wolves. They have leadership that has got everyone from young an old to buy in . There best big d guy is out of game. They don’t feel sorry for themselves. They go and do something people say they haven’t seen in 30 years . They made the defending champs give up with 3 mins left in game . What ? A Minnesota team? Unreal . Glad I witnessed it. They play as a team in an unrelenting style. No one is bigger than the team. Just great stuff to see . Then you look at wild whose superstar isn’t bought in so why should anyone else. His teammates give up and feel sorry for themselves.  Just a sorry culture. 
        So I don’t see how this draft pick changes anything. Maybe for a kappy less team. The mentality of the team needs to change. How do you do that with your superstar being apprehensive? Go get a peer of his to help him lead . Somebody he respect s . I highly doubt he respects anyone besides ek and Faber on team.  Running back the same misfits is going to be a brutal mistake.  Good luck getting anyone who truly wants to win to come here after kappy goes.  I bet everyone in nba wants to be a wolve now.  Great gm, great coaching, great leadership, great buy  in and classy young men who exude character.  Then you have wild with a clueless gm who can’t figure out how to make the franchise player happy . Not with money or off ice stuff but with teammates who want to buy in and win. . Just total Opposite organizations. I can’t believe I’m saying that about the wolves but it’s true now . 

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    3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    If you think that's light, you definitely wouldn't like Trevor Connelly, mentioned above around pick #13-15(but could slide much further due to character flags).

    Connelly is listed at 6'1 and 161 pounds.

    Yeah the flags are legit. No thanks.

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    19 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The Wild stay at 13, as did everyone else.  Fair enough.

    That means we probably get Helenius. 
    Sounds like he could be an elite 3C, I think he’d pair nicely with Ohgren. 
     

    He could play 2nd line too. Basically a more consistent Hartman. Or they could take a chance on a higher upside guy. 

    Small chance it’s Yakemchuk, who sounds like a bigger Dumba. I don’t see why the Flyers wouldn’t take him tho. Gotta trade up if we want him.. 

    Gus and #13 to the Kraken for #9? Could get Dickinson or possibly Silyayev (expected NHL debut ‘26-27)..

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    Nuggets remind me of the wild. It’s exactly how I’d expect the wild to act. Your best player isn’t scoring so everyone else melts down. Breaking there will turns them into little kids acting out. Sounds familiar. They have a Hartman throwing towels and heat pads on court. They have a Dean and moose yelling at the refs because they are getting out played.  Thankfully we didn’t see a spurg incident with a punch or ankle cross check . It was so impressive to expect the Minnesota team to act like that in first game due to bad calls but handled it with poise and determination. Then to just break the will of the defending champs in 2nd game and not get into there side show was icing on the cake.  That takes leadership, character and poise. How do you draft that? 

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    4 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    I don't necessarily think Teubert is better or worse. It's kind of an interesting question -- does a player who's hurt his team everywhere he's gone (aside from last season) better or worse than someone who couldn't play those kinds of minutes? In effect, it's a similar result in that it doesn't really help the team. Atlanta missed big, especially since Alex Pietrangelo was on the board. I don't think anyone can deny that.

    Did he take a dump in your cereal?  Did he microwave leftover tuna in the breakroom?  How did Bogosian hurt you?

    1. You don't think Teubert is better or worse? You cant figure out if a guy who's played 24 NHL games (also a defender with 12:39 atoi and a career -5 through 24 games) is a better or worse player than Bogo? 
    2. In your 'dead cat bounce article' you posted the SPAR table through his career which clearly shows that while he hasnt been consistent, he hasn't hurt his team at every place he's gone.

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    By the way, that's through 16,821 minutes on ice.  There's absolutely no way you can compare that to Teubert's 306 minutes on ice.

    So yes, you can state that Bogosian is a better player than Teubert, and if you try to hide behind WAR you're just demonstrating the perils of blindly depending on statistics without thinking about what you are doing.

     

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    Dean having a bit of a field day there.

    We won't know what Kaprizov does until next year.  If he leaves, Faber becomes the guy the team builds around.  The only thing they can really do is wait. 

    Trying to make some super trade for crazy pipedream is asking a hell of a lot.  The article pretty much confirmed even getting 3rd picks doesn't always amount to "Hey, he's the new top guy."  The Wild still have a shot at someone pretty dang good, or even a potential top line guy (the Caufields, Suzukis, and yes, the Boldys in these spots), so I think even Kaprizov knows the Wild are going to do what's best for him.  They don't really have a choice.

    Besides, the Wild didn't give in all season, when a few people were ready and willing to waive white flags despite nearly everything pointing that direction.  Kaprizov doesn't let the team quit, Ek, Boldy, and Faber sure as hell won't either.  I'd rather play for a team like this, rather than lay down and die like the San Joses and Anaheims of the world.

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    Also, I'd like to state I think Ek and Boldy aren't chopped liver options as top line guys for Kaprizov either.  Ek may not have the flashy point totals, but his 30+ goals puts him over some guys like Hughes, and close to people like Hintz, Suzuki, Eichel, etc who almost never get that "They aren't 1C" labels.  We saw how well Matthews's 70 goals did Toronto against Boston...diddly squat.  One player can't simply win a series, and it sure seems like Toronto's pay four guys $50m whatevers didn't do anything either.  Boldy's right around the top 50 points in the league, in the ranges of Stutzle, Dobson, O'Reilly, Marchessault, Larkin, etc.

    The main issue is the dropoff from Zuccarello (who starts slipping pace midway anyway).  2nd line guys in the 40s-50s, and the less said about lines 3-4 the better.  

    I don't really want to hear any of the, "Kaprizov needs better linemates for him" BS, cause he has them.  What the Wild need are better players everywhere else.  Rossi and Faber improving would be nice, but Ohgren and Khusnutdinov outdoing what the Duhaimes, Folignos, Gaudreaus, Shaws, Letteris, etc. is where the offense should be.  That or stopping secondary scoring in general.  I don't think a #13 is going to net you some game changing, life altering Bedard or McDavid, but I'd bet you get the right guy, those 2nd-3rd lines don't look so shitty.

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    1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Also, I'd like to state I think Ek and Boldy aren't chopped liver options as top line guys for Kaprizov either.  Ek may not have the flashy point totals, but his 30+ goals puts him over some guys like Hughes, and close to people like Hintz, Suzuki, Eichel, etc who almost never get that "They aren't 1C" labels.  We saw how well Matthews's 70 goals did Toronto against Boston...diddly squat.  One player can't simply win a series, and it sure seems like Toronto's pay four guys $50m whatevers didn't do anything either.  Boldy's right around the top 50 points in the league, in the ranges of Stutzle, Dobson, O'Reilly, Marchessault, Larkin, etc.

    The main issue is the dropoff from Zuccarello (who starts slipping pace midway anyway).  2nd line guys in the 40s-50s, and the less said about lines 3-4 the better.  

    I don't really want to hear any of the, "Kaprizov needs better linemates for him" BS, cause he has them.  What the Wild need are better players everywhere else.  Rossi and Faber improving would be nice, but Ohgren and Khusnutdinov outdoing what the Duhaimes, Folignos, Gaudreaus, Shaws, Letteris, etc. is where the offense should be.  That or stopping secondary scoring in general.  I don't think a #13 is going to net you some game changing, life altering Bedard or McDavid, but I'd bet you get the right guy, those 2nd-3rd lines don't look so shitty.

    It is mind-boggling that people put Ek, Boldi, Rossi and Faber in the same class as Kaprizov. Insane! You are talking about likely the top russian player in the league (and yes i know Panarin and Kuch, but I am sorry - Rangers are loaded and Kuch plays with Point and Stamy and his game is a bit more Larionov + Fedorov vs Kap's mix of Ovi + Mogilniy + Bure). Kap is basically a top 5 player right now. And if the team fails to prioritize HIM and let's it just be .... forget Gaborik, he was NEVER a top 5 player - never a top 25 player! This will be enormously damaging to the entire team psyche and this RIGHT NOW is still controllable. You still have cards to play. You instruct leadership role on to him. You play for future, but HIS future. You draft/trade with mindset of maximing Kaprizov's talents. And only his. Not Ek's, Not Boldy's, Not Faber's nor Rossi's. You know F top 5 - i'll go and say he is the 3rd best player in the world RIGHT NOW after McDavid and MacKinnon. Go give him a C tomorrow, make May 8th the Kaprizov day and do whatever you can to keep him. He is the wild. And the only one that matters now and long term. 

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    4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

    Kap is basically a top 5 player right now.

    Right?  I don't think this has been said enough around here.  

    I also don't think he is going to want to leave when we make him the highest paid player in the league next year.

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    Just now, Will D. Ness said:

    Right?  I don't think this has been said enough around here.  

    I also don't think he is going to want to leave when we make him the highest paid player in the league next year.

    exactly! you got to be smart with the planning. Give him the current MOST $ (the cap and price will only go up) but he needs to be assured he is the leader. Give him the C and make him what Edwards is to the wolves. It's going to be tough to get him to sign early, so i still think he will wait it out, but giving him the reign of the franchise as a Captain and showing him your full commitment (in addition to what i previously mentioned - the legacy that is basically for the taking and new) - will likely mean he will bite and stay.

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