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  • Guerin Created Hockey's Most Chaotic Team


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    Tom Schreier

    Bill Guerin wants players who want to stay in Minnesota. "We like the players," Guerin said after signing Marcus Foligno and Mats Zuccarello to extensions. "They are invested in the Wild, and they want to win here. I believe in these guys. I love what they bring to the table — on the ice, off the ice, in the dressing room.

    "I think they're a part of how we can get better here."

    Guerin also was trying to ensure he could maintain a competitive roster while the Wild had $15 million in dead cap after he bought Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out. "I like having cost certainty going forward," Guerin said after extending Ryan Hartman. "These three guys have all expressed how much they wanted to stay here. We wanted to keep them."

    The players have expressed their desire to play in St. Paul. 

    "This is where I want to be," Zuccarello said. "Why not do it as quick as possible and get it out of the way?"

    "No-brainer, for sure," said Gaudreau, who signed a five-year, $10.5 million deal with a 15-team no-trade clause instead of testing the free-agent market last April. "My heart is here."

    Home is where the heart is. But it’s a little easier to grow fond of a place when they hand you a full-guaranteed contract with no-move clauses. And some of Minnesota’s newly-extended players have grown too comfortable or are regressing. Foligno and Hartman occasionally play reckless hockey. Gaudreau hasn’t been productive

    Zuccarrello’s deal is the most reasonable. He’s still playing well and has good chemistry with Kirill Kaprizov. But going one for four isn’t going to help the Wild, especially in a season where they should be sellers. They could have traded Foligno, Hartman, or Gaudreau had they not extended them and used this season to get a valuable draft pick. 

    Instead, they’re trying to grab the final playoff spot, hoping that the Vancouver Canucks, Dallas Stars, or Colorado Avalanche don’t turn them into mincemeat in the playoffs. Anything can happen in the postseason, the old saying goes. Instead, the Wild have been a tease ever since they fired Dean Evason.

    Their four-game win streak after hiring Hynes looked like a new-coach bump. But they won 11 of Hynes’ first 14 games, indicating he was doing something right. Then they lost eight of their next nine games, suggesting the new-coach smell had worn off. The Nashville Predators and Anaheim Ducks beat Minnesota before the All-Star break, which looked like a death knell. 

    But then they won four straight, including a game in Vegas, before the Buffalo Sabres beat them in overtime on Saturday. The Vegas Golden Knights won the Stanley Cup last year; Buffalo hasn’t made the playoffs since the 2010-11 season. Their 10-7 comeback over the Vancouver Canucks was a microcosm of their season. So it goes with the Wild. They’re good enough to get you invested, then lose in a way that feels almost personal. Then they start winning again.

    Guerin has unintentionally built high variance into their DNA. He tried to lock in a core he believed would get the Wild through the Parise-Suter buyout years. But he failed to account for regression. Hartman is slowly devolving from a glue guy into a goon. Gaudreau’s production has slowed in the first year of his extension; Foligno will be in his mid-30s when his is up. Zuccarello no longer regularly plays on Kaprizov’s line. 

    It also doesn’t help that Guerin is a chaos agent. He traded Cam Talbot in a fit of pique. He also mutually parted ways with his cap guy in the middle of cap hell, and the league investigated him for verbal abuse. Guerin’s tenure as a player and league executive may be a virtue. But his irascible nature can be a vice. His loyalty, or insistence on cost certainty, falls somewhere in between. Lately, it has hampered the Wild. At the very least, it’s made them an inconsistent team.

    Most good teams value veterans and solid depth players. But they don’t wantonly extend them to contracts with no-move contracts to account for variance. Players regress. Teams unexpectedly have bad seasons. Sometimes, a top pick is more valuable to the organization than the revenue from two or three playoff games. Guerin thought he was creating stability by signing players to long-term contracts. Instead, he created chaos.

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    This seems like as good a place as any to ask this, considering the article addresses BG and player movement etc... a coworker today noted that she's heard rumblings of Kaprizov being traded to the Red Wings. This would seem silly to me overall from several aspects, especially given he's arguably one of if not the most popular player on the team. 

    I can't find anything to corroborate this online so figured I'd check in with you all here to see if there's any smoke with this flame?

     

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    Your co-worker is full of BS. DRW might have the prospect capital to make another big move, but I don't see them trading for another big-time winger after getting/extending Alex DeBrincat via trade.

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    Unless the Wings want to trade Larkin and like 2-3 1st rounders, I wouldn't even know what reporter would even publish that rumor.  Kaprizov isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  He has two years to figure out what this team is going to be, not get pawned off at earliest convenience.

    I mean, I love me some Brock Faber, but I don't need him to be the face of the franchise just yet.

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    23 minutes ago, Red River Gopher said:

    This seems like as good a place as any to ask this, considering the article addresses BG and player movement etc... a coworker today noted that she's heard rumblings of Kaprizov being traded to the Red Wings. This would seem silly to me overall from several aspects, especially given he's arguably one of if not the most popular player on the team. 

    I can't find anything to corroborate this online so figured I'd check in with you all here to see if there's any smoke with this flame?

     

    I can't imagine why the Wild at this point would even consider trading KK. He's the most important piece to fulfilling Leo's most important goal of filling the seats. Attendance would surely take a big hit.

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    The only way Kaprizov's gonna move is if he wants out. To that point, I have a hard time believing Detroit would be a preferred spot, unless he thinks Fedorov is still playing there.

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    Sometimes, a top pick is more valuable to the organization than the revenue from two or three playoff games. Guerin thought he was creating stability by signing players to long-term contracts. Instead, he created chaos.

    Well, look at it this way: Who's our best non-goalie prospect right now? Danila Yurov by far, right? 

    And where did we draft Danila Yurov? That's right, pick #24. So even though we made the playoffs that season, we still landed a potential superstar top-6 forward.. Its literally having your cake and eating it too. 

    Ek is our best Center we've had since Staal. Where did we draft him? Pick #20. 

    Point being you don't NEED a top pick to find future franchise cornerstones. And honestly, in this draft, even if they miss out on a lotto pick and end up missing the playoffs and picking in the late-teens, that looks to be a sweet spot to land a top-6 forward with size based on Wheeler's and Pronman's prospect rankings or even a top-4 defensive defenseman with size in a guy like Charlie Elick. 

    So its great to dream about the top picks, but this draft is pretty loaded anyway. We should still be able to land a contributor regardless of where we are selecting.

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    Faber was a mid second round pick, so I dunno if draft position per round means anything anyway.  All that matters is having more darts on the board, and Guerin has done one thing right: keeping the big ones in the drawer.

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    You don't need that top pick... but it helps a lot. You're not relying on teams making a mistake (Yurov could've easily been taken by Pick 24; the Wild had to trade into the fifth round to get Kaprizov).

    You're also getting near-immediate impact if you hit on a top-10 pick. Look how long it took for JEEK to become an impact player. Minnesota could use impact sooner rather than later.

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    12 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Faber was a mid second round pick, so I dunno if draft position per round means anything anyway.  All that matters is having more darts on the board, and Guerin has done one thing right: keeping the big ones in the drawer.

    Except the Wild drafted Ryan O'Rourke instead of him. Agree that having more darts is good, but having higher picks is going to help, too.

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    15 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    Except the Wild drafted Ryan O'Rourke instead of him. Agree that having more darts is good, but having higher picks is going to help, too.

    Thank you for pointing out what I assumed was obvious.  Apparantly it's not obvious.

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    Wanting to win, loving the Wild, and being a good locker room guy is great, and everything.  But, I’d rather have great hockey players than great cheerleaders.  Seems like that would help

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    Great article.  Bill has done some good stuff especially on the margins. Maroon , bogs , Gus and even reaves did bring some mojo the team needed at time. He also did good on a franchise type trade of fiala. However the zucker trade I think he could have done better but that’s not knowable unless you were privy to other teams offers. I’ll give him a pass on zucker.  Bill definitely has a better eye for talent than previous GMs  . So he has done good stuff but he’s also done some really stupid stuff like the extensions  and blind loyalty to mediocre friends.
         Being good at trading 7 th round picks for leauge minimum vets is nice but doesn’t win cups. Trading a superstar for financial reasons and getting a fair return is what you expect from a gm. So he has done some good but I think the bad out weighs it. You can screw up trading 7 th round picks. No big deal. When you start screwing up contracts it is a big deal and hurts the franchise for years . I don’t see him having any inclination of managing cap in a responsible way . The goose deal should have been a warning sign . Then he did the crazy Fred deal that wasn’t defensible with those clauses or term. Finally we got the wave of extensions this past spring that were not needed or once again defensible. He obviously isn’t learning when it comes to contracts and is likely to get us into some Fletcher kinda contacts that set this franchise back. 
        

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    9 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    Midzy makes sure his jersey is adjusted before he throws down with Stanley.

    The funniest part was it looked like Stanley waited for him to adjust it. Lol...

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    1 hour ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    Weird lines tonight Rossi with Vinchenzo and Linguini.

    I thought the same thing. Why was Rossi demoted to the 4th line tonight instead of either Gaudreau or Johansson, who have been mostly invisible for weeks now?

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    14 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    I'm just saying: hard to point out that you don't need high draft picks because of Brock Faber when the Wild had to trade an 80-point guy to get him.

    Wasn't that for Faber and Ohgren. Ohgren has picked things up after a slow start coming back from injury--he's rated #3 in the Wild prospect pool behind Yurov & the Wall. That pick probably should have been Yurov, but both players look like they could help the Wild in a couple of years.

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    1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Wasn't that for Faber and Ohgren. Ohgren has picked things up after a slow start coming back from injury--he's rated #3 in the Wild prospect pool behind Yurov & the Wall. That pick probably should have been Yurov, but both players look like they could help the Wild in a couple of years.

    Yeah, I think Ohgren and Yurov will always be considered connected in that draft. We could afford to swing for Yurov since we picked the safe choice in Ohgren just a little earlier. If we don't trade Fiala, we don't get Ohgren and likely don't get Yurov.

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    12 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Yeah, I think Ohgren and Yurov will always be considered connected in that draft. We could afford to swing for Yurov since we picked the safe choice in Ohgren just a little earlier. If we don't trade Fiala, we don't get Ohgren and likely don't get Yurov.

    I think we still take Yurov. Brackett clearly liked him and other teams were clearly nervous about the Russia factor.

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    17 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

    You don't need that top pick... but it helps a lot. You're not relying on teams making a mistake (Yurov could've easily been taken by Pick 24; the Wild had to trade into the fifth round to get Kaprizov).

    You're also getting near-immediate impact if you hit on a top-10 pick. Look how long it took for JEEK to become an impact player. Minnesota could use impact sooner rather than later.

    Idk, we seem to have hit on Marco Rossi and he still took a few years to really take off. Granlund didn't take off until we moved him to wing. Even Dumba took a bit of time to pan out. Brodin and Gabby are the only top-10 picks to give damn near immediate dividends for us from what I can recall. 

    I mean I understand that yes, the players that go higher in the draft are typically more talented than the ones who go later in the 1st, and generally play sooner, I'm just saying that missing out on a top-10 pick doesn't necessarily mean we won't be able to find a similar player is all. Especially in this draft. 

    The only thing we're going to miss out on not picking in the top-14 this year is a potential top-4 offensive defenseman with size. Those are nice to have, but we've already got Faber and Spurgy is under contract for another 3 seasons after this and Chisholm could potentially be a top-4 quality guy himself based on his production in the AHL. 

    I won't be mad if we end up picking high in this draft still, but I also don't think it means we're doomed in the near future if we don't. 

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