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  • Dylan Guenther Fits the Bill For A Marco Rossi Trade Return


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    Tony Abbott

    There's been smoke surrounding Marco Rossi being on the trade block for around a year now. Is this a smart move on the part of the Minnesota Wild? It's hard to see how. However, Bill Guerin isn't taking his cues from Hockey Wilderness on how to run his team. 

    So the question becomes: What might the Wild be looking for? From what Guerin has said, we know that "bigger, stronger, faster" seems to be the mantra and that forward is a bigger focus than defense. It also seems that they wouldn't necessarily target a center in return because prospect Riley Heidt could potentially slide in for Rossi.

    Centers in hockey are like pitchers in baseball -- everyone wants them, and almost no one has enough. That's a compelling reason to keep someone like Rossi, but it's also why they should expect a premium in return if they were to trade him for a winger. Someone younger, perhaps, with a goal-scoring punch. Someone like Dylan Guenther of the Utah-rtist Formerly Known As the Arizona Coyotes.

    If you're going to trade a 22-year-old center who scored 20 goals last year, Guenther is someone who'd theoretically be equal value. The Coyotes drafted Guenther ninth overall in 2021 -- one year after Minnesota took Rossi with pick 9. After a false start in the 2022-23 season (six goals and 15 points in 33 games), Arizona recalled Guenther on January 7, and Guenther left no doubt that he was ready.

    Guenther scored 18 goals and 35 points in just 45 games for the Coyotes, getting better and better each month. In March and April, Guenther racked up 12 goals and 23 points in 23 games, finishing his season with three multi-point goals in four games. That production tracks with his history of being an elite goal-scorer. 

    You might have heard that Minnesota could use some secondary scoring. Guenther would provide that, allowing Kirill Kaprizov and Matt Boldy to stay on the same line without sacrificing wing depth down the lineup. Guenther also possesses a coveted right-shot at forward, something the left-shot-heavy Wild have lacked for years, useful for firing seamless one-timers on the power play.

    Does Guenther fit with Guerin's "bigger, stronger, faster" mantra? "Guenther is a beautiful skating winger," The Athletic's Scott Wheeler writes, "who slices through holes and dashes past flat-footed defenders." The Wild struggled to create scoring chances on the rush last year, and Guenther would bring back that element of their offense that Minnesota lost in the Kevin Fiala trade.

    As for bigger and stronger? Yes and no. Guenther's 6-foot-2 frame gives him a three-inch advantage over Rossi. But he's listed at 175 lbs., less than Rossi (5-foot-9, 180 lbs.). But reading between the lines, it seems like the Wild brass think Rossi isn't as strong as his game suggests. Perhaps they would feel Guenther plays bigger than his size.

    Even if Guenther would only be an upgrade in the speed department, there's no denying that his shot is special. Scouts thought his shot was NHL-caliber at age 17. He fires the puck with power, yes, but he's also crafty with it in a way that consistently beats goalies. Elite Prospects described his arsenal as having "a wide range of release points, blade deception, and best of all, the skill to get his shot off mid-stride" in their 2021 Draft Guide. 

    Guenther averaged 2.7 shots per game as a Coyote this year. Adding him to the Wild's stable, along with Kaprizov and Boldy, would give them three high-volume, high-percentage shooters. It could make for some magic.

    But that's only if the new Utah team has any urgency to flip a 21-year-old budding sniper. Landing Guenther would (and might still) be a pipe dream, except that Utah is a natural potential destination for Rossi.

    Their coach, André Tourigny, coached Rossi in the OHL, and they have a great relationship. "One of the best coaches I've ever had," Rossi told The Athletic's Michael Russo in 2022.

    The feeling was mutual. "He's an unbelievable pro... a hell of a player," Tourigny told Russo. "On and off the ice, he's as low maintenance as you can find. He was a blast to coach."

    You can bet it was a blast because Rossi and Tourigny helped each other climb to the NHL. Rossi arrived in North America during Tourigny's second year behind the Ottawa 67's bench. They immediately went from a bottom-five team in the OHL to the best record in the league. They made it to the Memorial Cup Finals, with Rossi only scoring 29 goals and 65 points in 53 games.

    They might have won the 2020 Memorial Cup if not for COVID canceling it because Ottawa was at the top of the OHL again. Rossi had an absurd 39 goals and 120 points in 56 games that season. Two years later, Tourigny was behind Arizona's bench, and you have to think he'd love a reunion if he has anything to say about it.

    Furthermore, Utah is a team that needs centers. The Coyotes listed Clayton Keller and Nick Schmaltz as centers but combined for only 465 faceoffs in 2023-24. That leaves Logan Cooley as their only top-six-caliber center in the NHL. Nick Bjugstad and Jack McBain had solid seasons, but it wasn't enough to power Arizona to the playoffs. Rossi would fit in their lineup, even without Tourigny. 

    As good of a prospect pool as Arizona has (they ranked ninth in Scott Wheeler's rankings at The Athletic), they have the same problem Minnesota's had for a long time: They don't have a lot of centers. Conor Geekie (No. 4) is the only relatively sure thing to stick down the middle, with a lot of defenders and wingers in the mix.

    Unless the Coyotes can convince Steven Stamkos to move to Utah or wildly overpay Sam Reinhart this summer, their options to upgrade down the middle are limited to trades. Rossi would add that depth down the middle, compliment their wingers (including Utah's other top wing prospect, 6-foot-5 Daniil But), and continue to grow his offensive game in an environment where his coaches and front office can buy into him 100%.

    Would this justify shipping out one of the most successful young centers in franchise history? Probably not. After spending two decades trying to build any sort of center depth, Minnesota trading one of the only centers they've successfully developed before he's finished baking would seem foolish. But it would at least seem less so if the return was a player who checks as many boxes as Guenther.

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this listed Marco Rossi as having played in the QMJHL instead of the OHL. We regret the error. Hat tip to reader Walt for notifying us.

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    Except in your best case scenario you aren't trading for tachuck or paladin or any of that. 

    I am not saying i am trading for Panarin, but i am saying we should try to get in on Tkachuk. This is the philosophy of MN sports when we are saying its not going to work ahead of time, so why even try. Maybe try one time and see. You may fail, but trying is allowed, right?

    You need to re evaluate your expectations than figure reality and proceed accordingly.

    My expectations is that the team MUST do whats best for the team going forward. And the reality is, the status quo will NOT ensure Kap stays. If Rossi stays, that means we are moving in the same trajectory. Kap will leave then, I assure you. 

    This team is set for the youngsters to come up. They do NOT have the cap space to sign big name vets. We gotta let the prospects play and stupidity would dictate trying to overpay for a big name vet. Who you'd you go after and what could you actually get?

    Which prospect is going to come up and play next year where Kap is going to say - Wow this player is awesome, you know what - i will sign off and stay here for live. Is it Beckman? Is it Walker? is it 18 year old Heidt? Is it Kustudinov (3/4 line player? Oh wait its Rossi!! Or are you suggesting we don't need Kap and Heidt and Rossi are going to drive winning? 🤔

    This is stupid and exactly how they end up in the same cycle of being stuck in the middle.

    Not sure how stupid my thought process is - ensuring your best player in the history of the club is allowed to lead the club and you put that same club in the same position to succeed as your top player. When you take all the factors in - you have to adjust the plan. Rossi and your draftees do not fit the current needs/timeline. You package them for a proven scorer. It can be someone other Tkachuk. There are ways to get it done without reverting to same tropes - trading with the team you know (pens) just for old time sake. 

    Rossi looks like an early eek, if that is the case, giving up on him is stupid.

    Another comment pointing to stupidity.....Rossi is not Ek. I am sorry if you and anyone else feels that. We are from different realities. 

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    17 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    Not sure I would put Ogie in that group just yet.

    While making the list I moved people around quite a bit.  It isn't easy categorizing players, especially players like Ohgren that we haven't seen much of.  At least he a player that is likely to get better and move up.

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    21 hours ago, Protec said:

    Rossi trade talk IS stupid if it's 1 for 1 small change stuff. If he was part of a package to get a high quality player with intangibles then it could be worth it.

    This sentence makes it possible for me to understand a Rossi trade this offseason.  And the bigger picture of trading Rossi is to put together a MN wild package of assets that returns an offensive forward with size that can give confidence to 97 that the org is on a path to win in playoffs sooner rather than later.  If a Rossi trade package is to go get a 1st pairing D-man then I will begin the Guerin Must Go chant.

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    Guenther is the type of player we do not have. He would be inexpensive immediately. He is an RHS. He has a lethal shot. He can play in Ovechkin's office on PP1. 

    However, he is taller than Rossi but lighter. Is he faster? I don't know. Can he put on weight in my gym? Probably. But, he's a long way from 210 lbs. Does he have a Beckman's mentality? He's just as tall but lighter. And, he's not overly physical. 

    I like the try here, but I'm not thinking we need a 1 for 1 type of deal. I think Rossi needs to get package with more to get us a better player.

    I liked what Tony wrote, and at least for next year the contract would be good. But, is the kid a leader or passenger? Does he depend on another driver of play? He does depend on someone else digging pucks out, he's not that guy. I think this means he likely disappears in the playoffs. I'm thinking we need a little more complete player, but he ticks off a lot of boxes.

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    Who's this Old Dutch Chip guy? I'm liking his posts and I've only seen 4/5. Welcome to the site...unless you're like Protec and offended someone and had to change your name. Then, welcome back.

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    On 4/30/2024 at 4:18 PM, mnfaninnc said:

    Who's this Old Dutch Chip guy? I'm liking his posts and I've only seen 4/5. Welcome to the site...unless you're like Protec and offended someone and had to change your name. Then, welcome back.

    Wait, Protec offended someone? 

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    On 4/29/2024 at 2:10 PM, OldDutchChip said:

    Pick a Wild team with Rossi or with Kaprizov

    It will not be with both

    Once you decided, you’ll know what needs to be done and why

    Vegas did not win by holding on to Tuch when there was a chance to upgrade

    florida did not hesitate to send out 100pt player for Tkachuk

    Rossi is neither Tuch nor is he a future 100 pt player, if we can package him and another prize for a stud like tkachuk, we do it immediately 

     

    Tkachuk isn’t going anywhere. There’s way too many dreamers that think this is realistic. It ain’t happening, no sense in even entertaining it.

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    Looks like Calgary sites are getting in on the "will the Wild trade Rossi" madness now.  Suggestions included Coronato or Honzek and maybe 29th as a start.

    https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-trade-target-wild-marco-rossi/

    Still kinda meh on it all though.  Not sure either play is worth giving Rossi up.  Funny enough, commentors to the article were like, "You want to give up a bigger prospect for a small guy?  That's not what they need right now."

    Gee, guess other teams' fans aren't stupid either.  

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    Trading Rossi for an unknown form of "future potential" is a dumb GM move.  We are working within the confines of a window of opportunity which can't wait for a pick or a big question mark type of player.  Rossi was that question mark last season and pretty much made us all look like a bunch of clowns by doubting him.  

    Why introduce another question mark when it is time to start solidifying the cup run vision?  I think Rossi should be a part of that vision and his value is only going to increase IMO.

    If we want size we will have to pay for a finished version of it, ready to kick some ass in 25-26.  Brady Tkachuk is a great example of what we are looking for but I don't think he is for sale. 

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