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  • Could the Wild Offload Hartman At the Trade Deadline?


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    The Minnesota Wild may want to move Ryan Hartman at the deadline, but he’s a hard sell at the moment. The 30-year-old winger has caused more trouble than his current salary allows. 

    In the 2021-22 season, Hartman had 65 points in 82 games and ended the season +31, a career season for the 2013 first-round pick. However, Hartman had multiple injuries and suspensions in the following two seasons, so he hasn’t played an 82-game season since or had .79 PPG. He had 37 points, a .63 PPG average in 2022-23, and 45 points and a .61 PPG the season after. 

    Before last season, the Wild signed Hartman to a 3-year, $12 million contract starting in 2024-25. However, he has only 17 points this season in 48 games, lowering his PPG average to .35. 

    His growing suspension list has also diminished his value. During Minnesota’s February 1 game against the Ottawa Senators, Hartman got called for roughing Tim Stutzle off the faceoff. 

    After the puck dropped, Stutzle leaned forward, and Hartman raised his elbow and drove Stutzle’s face into the ice. Hartman already had 4 suspensions and 7 fines, so the NHL Department of Player Safety initially suspended him for ten games because he was a repeat offender. 

    The NHLPA filed an appeal for Ryan Hartman, who argued that he was using his hand for balance and the fall was accidental. Player Safety was unconvinced, so Gary Bettman upheld the suspension but reduced it to 8 games. 

    Hartman’s lack of production, recent suspension, and high price tag will be discouraging factors if the Wild try to trade him. He has a full no-trade clause for this season, so he would have to agree to the move, further complicating the situation. However, other teams could be interested in Hartman as a potential enforcer, and he may be interested in more ice time elsewhere. 

    Consider Marcus Foligno. The 33-year-old Minnesota forward has nearly identical stats but with a few key differences. He has 22 points this year and 62 PIM in 61 games (.36 PPG). In the same offseason that the Wild extended Hartman, they signed Foligno to a 4-year, $16 million contract. This season, Foligno has the same cost, similar production, and similar PIM to Hartman. 

    However, the Wild have gotten good value for Foligno. Bill Guerin would not have named Foligno as an assistant captain if he hadn’t demonstrated leadership ability on the team. Foligno is also +8 this season and only has one prior suspension, which was for 2 games and 3 years ago. He makes the Wild frustrating to play against and picks his fights with purpose. 

    He started a fight with Vegas Golden Knights forward Keegan Kolesar on January 12 in retaliation for Kolesar’s hit on David Jiricek

     

    If Hartman can play more disciplined while continuing to be physical, he could be a great enforcer. Minnesota has this role filled with Foligno, and with the second-worst PK in the league at 70.9%, they can’t afford more penalties. 

    However, if the Wild want to trade Hartman, they must find a team looking for an enforcer. Many teams already have one, and not every team necessarily needs one. 

    The New York Islanders rank second to last in penalties with 152, don’t have an enforcer, and need to make a change to clinch a playoff spot. There have been rumors that the Wild want Brock Nelson, but it is unlikely that New York will want to trade him. However, the Islanders might consider trading Anthony Duclair

    Anthony Duclair signed a 4-year, $14 million contract with the Islanders, starting in the 2024-25 season. He also has a no-trade clause and must agree to a trade. The 29-year-old sustained a lower-body injury earlier this season and missed 28 games. Despite being healthy again, the Islanders scratched him for their Monday game against the New York Rangers. 

    Islanders’ head coach Patrick Roy said he is “not happy” with Duclair’s play and expected more, but also noted he missed many games and is not conditioned. In the 30 games Duclair has played, he has only 9 points in 30 games and has a -10 plus/minus. 

    Duclair might be coming off a down season, but he had 58 points in 74 during the 2021-22 season for the Florida Panthers before undergoing surgery for his Achilles Tendon. He helped the Panthers make it to the final round of playoffs in 2023, but they sent him to the San Jose Sharks for the 2023-24 season. He was traded again mid-season to the Tampa Bay Lightning, then signed as a free agent by the Islanders for 2024-25. 

    Since his surgery, Duclair has not had an opportunity to settle in and build team chemistry. He doesn’t rack up penalty minutes, with 8 total this season over 30 games. Considering his lack of conditioning, Duclair would likely fill in gaps rather than drive winning in the playoffs, but he wouldn’t gain penalties for the Wild. Hynes also uses the summer to focus on strength and conditioning and could bring Duclair back to prime by next season. 

    Hartman suspensions and fines make him a difficult player to keep on the Wild, but he may be effective as an enforcer elsewhere. Trading Hartman for Duclair would solve problems for both teams. Although Hartman and Duclair are currently on multi-year contracts with no trade clauses, they may be willing to move in hopes of more ice time. 

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    If Hartman gets traded, it should be him and a pick for an upgrade, not for someone that might be better than him but may not be either, or a salary dump after the season to help sign someone better.

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    IMO Hartman isn’t an enforcer.  Hes a pest or rat type player. Hes no scary heavy weight but rather a guy you can make loose his cool easily. On the Judds hockey show they were talking about Hartman being bought out this summer. Whether it’s true or not idk. What it tells me is billy had no idea on valuation when he offered that contract.  4 mill an a nmc for a guy that had one stellar year and many years  of mid level stats . Who was going to offer Hartman Billy’s deal. No contender imo. Maybe a bottom feeder trying to get to cap floor. Those Clauses  he handed out were not league normal things to do to get bottom six guys to sign . Especially with the money he gave away . His rational was so b.s. for those contracts. He has no flexibility because of it. And now is a time when he needs flexibility . So if he wants flexibility he’ll have to pay for it because of his clauses. . 

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    I'd guess 0% chance the Wild trade Hartman during this season. In the summer, his contract will alter to a 15-team no trade clause, so Guerin will have half of the league available to him if he wants to move Hartman then, but Hartman could also have a strong finish and make the contract not look so bad.

    Hartman has played well the prior 3 seasons when healthy and he should be highly motivated for at least the rest of this season, particularly now that one of his closest friends from youth hockey has been added to the team.

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    19 minutes ago, Dean said:

    IMO Hartman isn’t an enforcer.  Hes a pest or rat type player. Hes no scary heavy weight but rather a guy you can make loose his cool easily. On the Judds hockey show they were talking about Hartman being bought out this summer. Whether it’s true or not idk. What it tells me is billy had no idea on valuation when he offered that contract.  4 mill an a nmc for a guy that had one stellar year and many years  of mid level stats . Who was going to offer Hartman Billy’s deal. No contender imo. Maybe a bottom feeder trying to get to cap floor. Those Clauses  he handed out were not league normal things to do to get bottom six guys to sign . Especially with the money he gave away . His rational was so b.s. for those contracts. He has no flexibility because of it. And now is a time when he needs flexibility . So if he wants flexibility he’ll have to pay for it because of his clauses. . 

    It would be foolish to buy him out. But, it sounds like something Judd would say.

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    Hartzy, NoJo, Fred, Trenin and Foligno should all be on the block for a new to slightly used set of hand towels. Whatever you have to do to get rid of at least two of them should be done this week, throw in a few prospects or draft picks if you have to and do your best to not retain salary. Billy is awful, he's failed to put a meaningful line together for Kap, overpaid and over extended half the team. Let a few guys leave who we'd love to have back and failed to move on from a single player at an opportune time. Package any combination of these five players, prospects who are still years away and draft picks and take the best you can get. 

    To be honest, i'm just excited for the day BG resigns Nojo for 4 more at 5M and sells Oggy, Knut, and Yurov for Foligno's brother. Gotta make sure the boys are happy! 

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    11 minutes ago, WildRam said:

    Hartzy, NoJo, Fred, Trenin and Foligno should all be on the block for a new to slightly used set of hand towels. Whatever you have to do to get rid of at least two of them should be done this week, throw in a few prospects or draft picks if you have to and do your best to not retain salary. Billy is awful, he's failed to put a meaningful line together for Kap, overpaid and over extended half the team. Let a few guys leave who we'd love to have back and failed to move on from a single player at an opportune time. Package any combination of these five players, prospects who are still years away and draft picks and take the best you can get. 

    To be honest, i'm just excited for the day BG resigns Nojo for 4 more at 5M and sells Oggy, Knut, and Yurov for Foligno's brother. Gotta make sure the boys are happy! 

    I'm no BG fan but the team has performed well during his reign and this team is roughly 10 points ahead of missing the playoffs with a bunch of injuries through the season. He's done well finding players late in the season that help the team out, and those player you wanna get rid of have helped this team get to where they are.

    On another note Russo says Trenin will be gone before the deadline...

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    30 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    On another note Russo says Trenin will be gone before the deadline...

    Bro-yak has almost zero market value so for this to happen he’d need to be thrown into a package.  We’ll see… 

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    1 hour ago, Dean said:

    IMO Hartman isn’t an enforcer.  Hes a pest or rat type player. Hes no scary heavy weight but rather a guy you can make loose his cool easily. On the Judds hockey show they were talking about Hartman being bought out this summer. Whether it’s true or not idk. What it tells me is billy had no idea on valuation when he offered that contract.  4 mill an a nmc for a guy that had one stellar year and many years  of mid level stats . Who was going to offer Hartman Billy’s deal. No contender imo. Maybe a bottom feeder trying to get to cap floor. Those Clauses  he handed out were not league normal things to do to get bottom six guys to sign . Especially with the money he gave away . His rational was so b.s. for those contracts. He has no flexibility because of it. And now is a time when he needs flexibility . So if he wants flexibility he’ll have to pay for it because of his clauses. . 

    Um, you can disagree with and dislike the contract.

    But saying he wasn't worth the contract when he signed it or that he wasn't getting that on the open market is ludicrous. His literal listed market value according to both the Athletic and Evolving-Hockey at the time was squarely above $4M per. Specifically $5.3M a year according to the Athletic, and $4.8M a year according to Evolving-Hockey contract projections.

    Dislike it all you want. But Hartman actually signed for less than market value at the time to stay in Minnesota. Furthermore, the NMC only encompassed the first year of the new contract and was retroactive to the last year of his prior contract. Essentially a single year and a half over the span of two different contracts. The full NMC ends on July 1st of this year. After which his contract protection drops to a 15-team M-NTC in year two, which is next year. And even further drops to just a 10-team M-NTC in year three, the final year of the contract.

    In short. Hartman's contract is essentially designed to provide maximum flexibility and allow us the capability to trade him after this seasons end to directly coincide with the deadcap going away.

    People shit on these contracts yet don't seem to either understand or accept the foresight and forward thinking that went into their signings. Or appreciate what current market values rates for players these days are actually at.

    Lastly, for everyone's bitching about Hartman not being worth his contract. His current market value according to the Athletic is $3.6M for his current season of play. So just $400k under his $4M AAV.

    So while Hartman may be underperforming his contract currently, it's not to the degree a large portion of the fanbase seems to think he is.

    You want to bitch about him taking unnecessary penalties or stupid idiotic actions that get him suspended. That's justifiable and worth pointing out.

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    1 hour ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    It would be foolish to buy him out. But, it sounds like something Judd would say.

    A buyout of Hartman's current contract would only cost an average of $1.17M per year over 4 years.

    That's not that much, all things considered, and the Wild would only have around $3M total in deadcap between a Hartman buyout and the remainder of the Parise and Suter buyouts for 4 years.

    With the cap going up $7M this off-season, another $7M after that in two years, and another final $9M in 3 years. That's $23M in additional cap space over the next three years.

    A Hartman buyout costs very little in the grand scheme of things.

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    7 minutes ago, RazWild said:

    A buyout of Hartman's current contract would only cost an average of $1.17M per year over 4 years.

    That's not that much, all things considered, and the Wild would only have around $3M total in deadcap between a Hartman buyout and the remainder of the Parise and Suter buyouts for 4 years.

    With the cap going up $7M this off-season, another $7M after that in two years, and another final $9M in 3 years. That's $23M in additional cap space over the next three years.

    A Hartman buyout costs very little in the grand scheme of things.

    My main point is, if BG can't trade Hartman he needs to go. If they want him off the team trade him. I personally feel he has value.

    The other thing is if you buy out Hartman you can't buy anyone else off the team for, I believe, 3 years. It just would make no sense.

    I think you would eventually regret buying him out.

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    36 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Bro-yak has almost zero market value so for this to happen he’d need to be thrown into a package.  We’ll see… 

    Ya, I don't know what his value may be, but I'm really surprised he's even on the block.

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    27 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    The other thing is if you buy out Hartman you can't buy anyone else off the team for, I believe, 3 years. It just would make no sense.

    There is no limit to the number of buyouts a team can have at any one given time. Guerin could theoretically buyout the entire roster if he so chose to do so at the same time. The Wild could have only one player bought out, or they could have ten. Doesn't matter.

    Nor is there any rule limiting the set number of buyouts a team can perform over a set period of time either. Guerin could buyout another one or even more players every year for the next 10 years if so chose for as long as he remained GM. Or his replacement for that matter.

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    28 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    My main point is, if BG can't trade Hartman he needs to go. If they want him off the team trade him. I personally feel he has value.

    Additionally, I agree Hartman has value. I would try to trade him first as well, if you can. If you can't, buy him out.

    I don't mind the contract or think it's a dump by any measure. After the Stutzle incident, however, I'm fine moving him or buying him out.

    The $4M in cap space is more valuable, all things considered.

    Just by moving or buying out a single $4M contract. Any one of Foligno/Hartman/Trenin. The Wild would theoretically have enough cap space this off-season to extend both Kaprizov and Rossi, plus the RFA's, and sign BOTH of Boeser AND Nelson.

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    17 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Of those, Hartman first, Trenin second, Foligno last.

    The main issue with Hartman is his rep is toxic.  At least Trenin provides you his worth without being a suspension risk.

    Ironically, his PIM's is way down this year, and he was doing a much better job staying out of the box.

    Until the Stutzle incident I was firmly in the camp of keeping him because of his grit and playing on the edge. After that, I'm more than fine moving him if you can. Buying him out if you can't.

    Foligno is currently playing to the market value tune rate of $5M, according to the Athletic, so a surplus of $1M over his $4M AAV. As ever and always, a indispensable core piece that shouldn't be moved. Yet.

    If you can move Trenin by the deadline. Do it.

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