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  • Bill Guerin Should Install Himself As the Next Wild Head Coach


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    Tom Schreier

    Bill Guerin didn’t want to blame Dean Evason when he fired him after a seven-game losing streak during the Minnesota Wild’s 5-10-4 start in 2023. 

    "It had just gotten to that point where almost no matter what they did, the guys were having a hard time executing and generating offense," Guerin said. "Something had to change. 'We can't trade 23 players,' is the old saying."

    Guerin can’t trade most of his players because he’s signed them to no-trade clauses. Even if he could trade his players, Evason wasn’t the problem; it’s the core that Guerin built. Unsurprisingly, not much has changed two years later. Guerin hired his buddy, John Hynes, to replace Evason, and Minnesota is off to a slow start again. 

    In 2023, the Wild went 3-5-2 in their first ten games. They’re off to an identical start this season. The players are trying to sell their players’ only meeting as the jolt the team needed. However, a 5-2 win over the shorthanded Vancouver Canucks shouldn’t convince anyone that they’ve turned things around.

    The Wild are still out of the playoff picture, and their season remains very much in danger, which could lead Guerin to change coaches for the third time since taking over in 2019. Unless he can land Peter DeBoer, the only difference-making coach available, Guerin should install himself as the eighth coach in Minnesota’s 25-year history.

    That might sound far-fetched. However, Guerin would be emulating his first general manager and mentor, Lou Lamoreillo, who repeatedly stepped behind the bench during his Hall of Fame run as the New Jersey Devils general manager.

    Before this season, the New York Islanders announced that they would not renew Lamoriello’s contract, ending the 83-year-old’s run as the first octogenarian GM in the NHL. Before running the Islanders (2018 to 2025) and the Toronto Maple Leafs (2015 to 2018), Lamoriello served as New Jersey’s president and general manager from 1987 to 2015.

    In April 1987, former Devils owner John McMullen named Lamoreillo as team president. Before the season started, Lamoreillo named himself as New Jersey’s GM, despite having never played, coached, or managed in the NHL. 

    Lamoreillo had played and coached at Providence College in Rhode Island and served as the Hockey East commissioner before McMullen hired him. However, Lamoreillo was virtually unknown outside of college hockey circles.

    In 1989, Lamoreillo selected Guerin with the fifth overall pick. Guerin spent the first seven seasons of his 18-year career in New Jersey. Guerin won his first Stanley Cup with the Devils in 1995, but Lamoreillo traded him to the Edmonton Oilers in 1998 after a contract dispute the year before. 

    ''I just feel fortunate to be a part of something special,'' Guerin said. ''I had a great time here. They were great to me and I don't regret one moment here.''

    Lamoreillo spent most of his career as a general manager, but he stepped behind the bench three times. In 2005, he named himself head coach after Larry Robinson’s surprising resignation. Lamoreillo went 32-14-4 (68.0% points percentage) in the regular season and won a playoff series. Lamoreillo hired Claude Julien as his replacement a year later, but he fired Julien a year later and finished the 2006-07 season as New Jersey’s coach, winning another first-round series.

    Perhaps most pertinently, Lamoreillo took over as New Jersey’s coach a third time after firing DeBoer seven years after dismissing Julien. In December 2014, Lamoreillo named Scott Stevens, Adam Oates, and himself as co-head coaches. The Devils were 12-18-7 when Lamoreillo dismissed DeBoer. They finished 32-36-14, 7th in the Metropolitan Division.

    Most GMs have qualms about coaching their teams because they have to handle two tasks at once. However, Guerin can only make so many roster changes because he has handed out so many no-move clauses. While a big move at the deadline is still possible, now that the worst of the Zach Parise-Ryan Suter cap penalties are over, Guerin hasn't shown himself able to swing tectonic-shifting trades mid-season. Most of the improvement must come from internal development.

    The Wild are what they are at this point. Guerin has always had the win-now temperament of a coach, to the detriment of his ability to build a roster as a GM. If he can’t turn this team into a winner, he only has himself to blame.

    General managers tend to have a patient, big-picture approach to roster-building. Think Chuck Fletcher sticking with his Mikael Granlund, Charlie Coyle, and Jason Zucker core throughout early playoff exits, always pledging that his system works. It’s hard to think of a time, even in Minnesota’s most trying moments, where he lost his temper or publicly expressed a desire to trade core players.

    Guerin has built a stronger core than Fletcher, even if it’s flawed. Still, he’s pushed to win with severe cap penalties that made building a contender near impossible. He’s theatrically threatened to trade players with no-move clauses and had tense exchanges with media and allegedly Wild staff behind the scenes.

    Such a temperament from a GM typically leads to harried, shortsighted roster-building. However, it may be the kind of emotional coaching that jolts an underperforming roster. Guerin came up in the front office, not as a coaching. But Lamoriello had limited coaching and GM experience and excelled at both. Perhaps Guerin should try his hand behind the bench.

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    I don't think this works at all.  Guerin does not strike me as a guy that can focus on two extremely different objectives at the same time.   That isn't necessarily a kick on a guy as a GM.  Some guys have the energy and ability to efficiently break up their day and compartmentalize their thoughts ... most don't.  

    If he doesn't like Pete Deboer or anyone else hanging around I would hold up.  Let the year run its course and get the young guys to play.  Get a handshake deal for the off-season.

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    Curious why everyone is of the mind that Hynes is not a good coach? Is it the lack of wins to start this season? First round exit last season? 4th line Rossi? Not playing the kids? All of the above?

     

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    20 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

    First round exit last season?

    It is his record .He  coached 26 play-off games with 3 different teams and lost 19.

    Same with time and line management .It is just horrible

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    The league has changed and with it coaching. Just managing the assistant coaches is a full time job. BG could have pursued a coaching career but he chose upper management. I’d say the chance he gets behind the bench is about the same as Judd Brackett lacing them up. 

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    Ok, here is the scene: Johansson decides to take one of his cardio shifts with a couple of weak turnovers and then his guy beats him to the net defensively and scores. What does Guerin do when he gets to the bench?

    A. Blow a Gasket

    B. Threaten to Trade Johansson During Intermission

    C. Bench Him

    D. Just Glare at Him and Give Him Another Shift

    E. Look Stoic and Give Him His Next Shift

    I really like the idea. When Lou did this, most of the time he did it with about 1/4 of a season left. But, if Hynes isn't getting it done, won't play the kids, and DeBoer or Gallant aren't the guys he wants to coach the team, then I think he should fire Hynes, put himself behind the bench and get a good first hand look at what's not working. Really, I think he would learn best this way, maybe even more than sitting in his suite upstairs.

    It also seemed to me that Lou would do this after the TDL or right before when most of the trading and stuff was pretty much over. I think Guerin has a better feel for chemistry in the locker room than Fletcher ever did, and we've seen failed Fletcher twice now. Yes, he didn't lose his temper publicly, however, he also tried to acquire the right pieces, he just couldn't really get the right fits. Every time I think of it, I think of the disastrous trade for Hanzel of a guy who he got and completely wrecked the chemistry of the team. 

    It might do Guerin well to see it from a different perspective and be able to tell his players in all honesty why he chose them to be there and what their roles were. He's loud and can get animated. I'm sure referees wouldn't enjoy coming to the bench on a contested call, or have to defend a bad one. I also think that he'd have no problem with the players having a meltdown game or 2 to change the narrative, and may even send a couple of them out there to fix the problems. I see Guerin's signature move of throwing water bottles on the ice. And, we would probably have a few unsportsmanlike bench penalties.

    I also think Guerin would stick up for all of his players, especially if one is targeted.

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    Ok the narrative of BG signing players to NTC and NMC there is a guidline for this with the collective bargaining agreement.  If you are over 27 or have 7 years of pro hockey you are eligible for a NTC.  The league as a whole has 30% of the players with NTC.  That is out of all the players in the league 30% of them have a NTC.  That includes the players not eligible.  

    What does that mean.  Well the GM and the Player work on the idea of having a NTC and more often than not they get the NTC.  So let's look at the number of players that the Wild has that have NTC attached to them.  Gus, Spurgeon, Middleton, Zucarello, Hartman, Foglino, Taresenko, Ek and Kaprizov all have a form of a NTC.  That is 9 out of the 23 man roster a bit higher than the 30% average to be sure.  But of the players with the NTC how many deserve it and how many has Guerin given out?  

    The contracts that everyone has a hurt rear end about are the Middleton, Hartman and Foglino contracts.  Hartman has a Modified No Trade clause, which means he needs to provide a list of 15 teams to be traded to.  That contract for Hartman runs thru next year with the same conditions. Middleton has a No Move Clause this year and then three years of Modified No Trade clause like Hartman for three years.  Foglino has a No Trade Clause this year and then two years of Modified To Trade clause.  

    The only contract that I see that is a burden on the Wild Cap and Roster is Spurgeon.  His contract is 7.5 million and has a Modified No Trade clause of 10 teams attached to it.  His skills have dropped off the table.  

    People want Foglino gone and I don't blame them but for what he brings to the team on the ice is something that the Wild don't have anywhere in the system and anyone available at the 4 million cap hit would probably be worse. 

    Middleton is another player that everyone wants run out of town on rails.  But he is a solid defender that makes few mistakes.  And once again an improvement at that position outside of the organization would be very hard to fill at 4.3 million a year.  We can revisit this in a few years because that is when the contract and the play will become a problem. 

    Hartman is a first round pick that is solid, able to play on any line and produce.  People think he takes stupid penalties and sometimes he does but he does exactly what the team wants when they want it.  His contract is not a problem for the Wild. 

     

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    I think Billy has a way of "suggesting" things to his coaches which the coaches  follow. Playing Flower over Talbot in the St Louis series I always felt was a Billy call. Billy is the kind of guy who has to have his fingerprints on everything as long as there is plausible denial later. 

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    9 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

    as long as there is plausible denial later. 

    This is the MO of the thin skinned tough guy.  Underneath all the bluster is a scared weasel

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