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  • Bill Guerin Is Gonna Go For Broke


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    Tom Schreier

    The Minnesota Wild had lost four straight games by a combined 21-5 score and fallen to 17-20-5 before Bill Guerin told everyone that he would not “wave the white flag” at the season’s midpoint. “I still believe in this group,” he said. “I know people are going to say I’m crazy, but I do. I think we’ve shown that when we are healthy and when we are doing what we’re supposed to be doing, we’re a good team.”

    The Wild had lost eight of their past nine games. Guerin had already fired Dean Evason and mutually parted ways with his assistant GM and director of team operations. Minnesota has faced multiple injuries, including to Jared Spurgeon and Kirill Kaprizov. But the roster looked fundamentally flawed from the beginning. 

    Guerin had locked in his group by extending Marcus Foligno, Ryan Hartman, and Mats Zuccarello in the offseason. He was trying to build a contender with $15 million in dead cap space, a punishment the league levied against him for buying Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out before the 2021-22 season. Guerin had Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota’s franchise player. He also had Filip Gustavsson in net, Matt Boldy as a complementary scorer, and star rookies Brock Faber and Marco Rossi. But the rest of the roster is either injured or lacks star power. Such is life in cap hell. 

    The Wild shouldn’t tank so long as they have Kaprizov under contract. However, they could have made Foligno, Hartman, and Zuccarello available as the trade deadline nears had Guerin not extended them. They could have prioritized roster space for youth rather than veteran experience. Instead, Guerin gave himself no option other than to go for it. What was he going to say in mid-January? Ope, sorry about all that. I thought we were gonna be better than we are, and I signed everyone to long-term deals with no-move clauses. Then things are a little chaotic around here. Talk to you when I have a cap guy in-house.

    Then something weird happened. The Wild started winning. They beat the New York Islanders 5-0 hours after Guerin’s press conference and have won three of their past four games. The Tampa Bay Lightning beat them 7-3, but they beat the Florida Panthers, Carolina Hurricanes, and Washington Capitals by a combined 16-9 score.

    “We needed that win. And almost to win in that fashion,” Zach Bogosian said after the Florida game. “Maybe not that close, but just a hard-fought game like that to give us a little bit of confidence — coming down to the wire and making sure we closed it out.”

    Alrighty then. Nothing to see here. The Wild are fine. 

    Err, wait. What was that about the game being close? “This is where we need that poise and confidence,” Hynes said. “This is where you’ve got to go and do your job. It’s why we talk about details. This is an opportunity for us to push through.”

    Oh yeah, that’s right. Mats Zuccarello’s eighth goal of the season put them up 4-1. But Eetu Luostarinen’s tally with less than two minutes to go in the second cut the lead to two. Kirill Kaprizov scored his 15th goal of the season on the power play 41 seconds into the third period. But Anton Lundell and Gustav Forsling scored within 15 seconds of each other to make it 5-4 halfway through the third period. Ryan Hartman’s empty-netter put the Panthers away for good, but that got a little close for comfort.

    Carolina out-shot the Wild 42-19, but Minnesota scored two empty-net goals to win 5-2. Gustavsson bailed them out of that game. Two nights later, Marcus Johansson scored at 13:39 in the third period to put the Wild up 5-1. But Minnesota gave up two quick goals in the final 20 minutes for the second time in three games. T.J. Oshie scored on the power play with 2:57 left in the game, and Anthony Mantha potted one less than a minute and a half later.

    It was too little, too late for the Capitals. But that’s a concerning trend. Perhaps all the Wild needed was a vote of confidence from almighty Bill. Or maybe they’re getting away with games they should lose. Regardless, Guerin is going to stay in win now mode. He has signed the core of his team to long-term extensions with no-move clauses. He’s pot-committed. There’s no reason for him to go into tank mode now.

    However, we’ve seen what happens when a general manager overcommits to a flawed roster. Chuck Fletcher signed Parise and Suter to matching 13-year, $98 million deals and locked the Charlie Coyle, Mikael Granlund, and Nino Niederreiter core into supposedly team-friendly deals. Paul Fenton wantonly traded away that group after the Wild fired Fletcher, and Guerin bought Parise and Suter out. GMs are often willing to spend to win and commit to the group they’ve created, knowing someone else will pick up the bill if it fails.

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    On 1/29/2024 at 6:48 AM, Citizen Strife said:

    Ask Edmonton how the previous McDavid drafting helped them...oh wait.  It didn't.  Eichel got traded from Buffalo to get his ring, so Buffalo didn't win via tanking either.  Ottawa, with 3-5 high end draft picks haven't done shit in their rebuild either.  You act as if there's a one size fits all method to winning any and all games ever.  

    All you can say right now is Guerin jumped the gun (either from Leipold's mandate or his own hubris).  If any or all of the Yurov's, Wallstedt's, etc. turn into half as good a prospects as Faber did, and the Wild win next year, the hell do you say to "Oh we should have fucking tanked and given up?"  The Wild had a high pick and got Pouliot out of it once.  How'd that help them?  #1 picks like Yakupov and Daigle exist too, you know.

    I'm not unrealistic.  There was every indication the Wild could have paid the price for signing the extensions.  That's all you can accuse them of yet.  Telling the team to lay down and die isn't going to fly with them, and I don't think you get that it isn't always a solution either.

    If there weren't good players coming, then you'd have an argument against being "optimistic" or "naive."  One bad year doesn't mean the team is never going to make hay next year.  

    You're free to root for Dallas or Colorado anytime you know.

    You’re not taking into consideration an enormous amount of information and you’re all over the place.

    Only one team can win the cup.

    Oilers, Buffalo, Arizona and Ottawa are terribly run teams and have been for a long time. You can have some of the best players in the league and not win if you’re not well rounded and don’t have the other aspects covered. With that being said virtually every stanley cup winning team has one of those players that was picked between 1-6 and you aren’t winning a cup without them.

    The nhl changed the rule so that the worst team doesn’t automatically get the 1st pick in the draft because of teams like the Sabers, Oilers and Yotes.

    Buffalo is the youngest team in the nhl

    Anaheim is 5th

    Ottawa is the 6th youngest team 

    Arizona is the 8th

    Buffalo, Ottawa, Anaheim are going to be very good in about 3-5 years if they keep the majority of their best players.

    Who do you think has a better chance of making a deep run in that time frame, the teams listed above (Buffalo, Ottawa, Anaheim) or the Wild?

    Getting those superstar players between 1-6  overall is one of the most consistent things that Stanley cup winning teams have. You have to be in proper position and drafting high when players like Toews, Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Hedman and Doughty come around..Not sure why that needs to be stated.

     

     

    It’s a very very important part of the equation. The athletic did an article a while ago and came up with a team/personnel formula that virtually every Cup team had. It defines very well what a team needs to do and what they need to acquire. That’s exactly what I want the Wild to do.

    You can’t seem to get it out of your head that tanking isnt giving up.

    It’s like you’re triggered by that word or something.

    I think you’re very unrealistic with what needs to happen. You seem to think they can go on doing what they’ve been doing since their inception and win. They may get some good players or win a round or two but that shouldn’t ever be the goal.

    I’d define what you are implying as FAR more defeatist than what I’m proposing. It’s pretty obvious to most that what they’re doing isn’t working.

    You just figure the Wild should make due with whatever they get between pics 10 and 25 and hope for the best? That could MAYBE work if they had some of the best scouts in the NHL and were able to get players like Tampa did in the later rounds but the Wild don’t have that luxury.

    Drafting that high isn’t the only thing this team needs, they need competent management, excellent drafting in the lower rounds and size among other things.

    You’re proposing all heart but no tact or brains.

     

     

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    4 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

    The athletic did an article a while ago and came up with a team/personnel formula that virtually every Cup team had. It defines very well what a team needs to do and what they need to acquire. That’s exactly what I want the Wild to do.

    Correlation does not determine causation.

    I don't want the Wild following a narrative disguised as some sort of formulaic prophecy.  The value of tanking is what it is.  It isn't a silver bullet.

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