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  • Bill Guerin Is Gonna Go For Broke


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    Tom Schreier

    The Minnesota Wild had lost four straight games by a combined 21-5 score and fallen to 17-20-5 before Bill Guerin told everyone that he would not “wave the white flag” at the season’s midpoint. “I still believe in this group,” he said. “I know people are going to say I’m crazy, but I do. I think we’ve shown that when we are healthy and when we are doing what we’re supposed to be doing, we’re a good team.”

    The Wild had lost eight of their past nine games. Guerin had already fired Dean Evason and mutually parted ways with his assistant GM and director of team operations. Minnesota has faced multiple injuries, including to Jared Spurgeon and Kirill Kaprizov. But the roster looked fundamentally flawed from the beginning. 

    Guerin had locked in his group by extending Marcus Foligno, Ryan Hartman, and Mats Zuccarello in the offseason. He was trying to build a contender with $15 million in dead cap space, a punishment the league levied against him for buying Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out before the 2021-22 season. Guerin had Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota’s franchise player. He also had Filip Gustavsson in net, Matt Boldy as a complementary scorer, and star rookies Brock Faber and Marco Rossi. But the rest of the roster is either injured or lacks star power. Such is life in cap hell. 

    The Wild shouldn’t tank so long as they have Kaprizov under contract. However, they could have made Foligno, Hartman, and Zuccarello available as the trade deadline nears had Guerin not extended them. They could have prioritized roster space for youth rather than veteran experience. Instead, Guerin gave himself no option other than to go for it. What was he going to say in mid-January? Ope, sorry about all that. I thought we were gonna be better than we are, and I signed everyone to long-term deals with no-move clauses. Then things are a little chaotic around here. Talk to you when I have a cap guy in-house.

    Then something weird happened. The Wild started winning. They beat the New York Islanders 5-0 hours after Guerin’s press conference and have won three of their past four games. The Tampa Bay Lightning beat them 7-3, but they beat the Florida Panthers, Carolina Hurricanes, and Washington Capitals by a combined 16-9 score.

    “We needed that win. And almost to win in that fashion,” Zach Bogosian said after the Florida game. “Maybe not that close, but just a hard-fought game like that to give us a little bit of confidence — coming down to the wire and making sure we closed it out.”

    Alrighty then. Nothing to see here. The Wild are fine. 

    Err, wait. What was that about the game being close? “This is where we need that poise and confidence,” Hynes said. “This is where you’ve got to go and do your job. It’s why we talk about details. This is an opportunity for us to push through.”

    Oh yeah, that’s right. Mats Zuccarello’s eighth goal of the season put them up 4-1. But Eetu Luostarinen’s tally with less than two minutes to go in the second cut the lead to two. Kirill Kaprizov scored his 15th goal of the season on the power play 41 seconds into the third period. But Anton Lundell and Gustav Forsling scored within 15 seconds of each other to make it 5-4 halfway through the third period. Ryan Hartman’s empty-netter put the Panthers away for good, but that got a little close for comfort.

    Carolina out-shot the Wild 42-19, but Minnesota scored two empty-net goals to win 5-2. Gustavsson bailed them out of that game. Two nights later, Marcus Johansson scored at 13:39 in the third period to put the Wild up 5-1. But Minnesota gave up two quick goals in the final 20 minutes for the second time in three games. T.J. Oshie scored on the power play with 2:57 left in the game, and Anthony Mantha potted one less than a minute and a half later.

    It was too little, too late for the Capitals. But that’s a concerning trend. Perhaps all the Wild needed was a vote of confidence from almighty Bill. Or maybe they’re getting away with games they should lose. Regardless, Guerin is going to stay in win now mode. He has signed the core of his team to long-term extensions with no-move clauses. He’s pot-committed. There’s no reason for him to go into tank mode now.

    However, we’ve seen what happens when a general manager overcommits to a flawed roster. Chuck Fletcher signed Parise and Suter to matching 13-year, $98 million deals and locked the Charlie Coyle, Mikael Granlund, and Nino Niederreiter core into supposedly team-friendly deals. Paul Fenton wantonly traded away that group after the Wild fired Fletcher, and Guerin bought Parise and Suter out. GMs are often willing to spend to win and commit to the group they’ve created, knowing someone else will pick up the bill if it fails.

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    I don't think tanking is in BG's blood.  He is all in and believes in this roster.  Why not... the roster, when healthy, can compete against most teams.  Last year we lost to a very good Dallas (without Ek and an injured Kirill) team that made it to the conference finals and played Vegas tough.  We are also stuck with this roster through next year... so tanking really takes on a mulit-year horror show.  Nobody wants that... so hope for the best.

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    It’s nice to see them playing some respectable hockey the past few games. In my opinion it wasn’t a vote of confidence that got them to start winning a few games. I think it was the talk of trading fleury and others if out of playoffs. I think this is the same team we see every year. They do enough to stay mediocre an not anymore. They were healthy to start year and they decided not to play the first 20 games . Now when players and there families might get moved the team decides to start giving some effort. 
         My guess is they finish a few points out of playoffs with a 15-20 th pick for draft. If they do squeak in , they will get embarrassed again . We aren’t close to the top teams in roster or depth . This year feels like the same old stuff . Do just enough to not be one of the  bottom teams but never enough to be a good team. We so need a top 10 pick more than a fake push for playoffs 

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    If Edmonton showed anything, it's that writing a team off until the season is out of reach is foolish.  

    Am I expecting a 10-15 game win streak?  No.  But they will play the team in front of them and try to win.  They had no reason to win that Carolina game, but did.  They beat the Capitals by scoring early.  Wins are wins, and the team looks like it will fight for everything.  I give them credit for that at least.  If the team was going to lose everything, Florida and Carolina would have embarrassed them like Arizona did.

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    If Boldy gets going and Gus is hot, the Wild could string together some winning. They’ve done it before. I think the Wild have much better confidence now than previously in the season. Some big Central wins will go a long way towards being a playoff team. 
     

    I just don’t think players tank. The Wild will get what they get from a draft pick standpoint. I would expect something around 20th.

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    I can’t remember a bigger roller coaster ride season than this one. We’re going to find out pretty quickly if the track ends or we go on a Wild ride to the finish in the playoffs. There are essentially 6 teams fighting for the last Wild Card spot. This Preds’ game coming up is huge. 

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    35 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    I just hope we don't trade away picks to bring guys in at the TDL.. 

    I've always maintained that the Wild don't really have the cap space to trade high round picks away. I suppose there are scenarios where you could make it work, but you'd have to find a Fletcher type GM to work with. There just aren't many, if any, of those around.

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    1 hour ago, Protec said:

    I would expect something around 20th.

    The 8th spot in the East is currently at 53 points, with only 5 Eastern teams below 50 points. The 8th spot in the West is currently at 51 points, with 8 Western teams below 50 points.

    This season, you could possibly make the playoffs in the West and pick #17. You lose out on the lottery, of course, but get a chance for at least 1 playoff series, which is generally quite valuable to ownership and I'm sure the Wild players would really like.

    Assuming they don't make the conference finals, they could retain their pick in the teens. If they do finish with the worst record among playoff teams, you should anticipate the Wild weirdly advance to the conference finals before getting trounced this season, dropping their pick down to #29 the very year that many fans were content with a losing year and high pick.

    Not Weird. Wild!

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    5 hours ago, Protec said:

    I just don’t think players tank. The Wild will get what they get from a draft pick standpoint. I would expect something around 20th.

    Unfortunately I whole heartily agree. Stuck in the middling conundrum as usual.

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    4 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

    I can’t remember a bigger roller coaster ride season than this one. We’re going to find out pretty quickly if the track ends or we go on a Wild ride to the finish in the playoffs. There are essentially 6 teams fighting for the last Wild Card spot. This Preds’ game coming up is huge. 

    I do. The whole Parise/Suter Era. Yeo, Torchetti, Boudreau, and finally under Evason the Wild had a few solid seasons without many ultimate highs or rock-bottom lows.

    Since Hynes, it's been more steady but injuries have still been an issue.

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    22 hours ago, Protec said:

    I just don’t think players tank. The Wild will get what they get from a draft pick standpoint. I would expect something around 20th.

    I simply cannot see this team drafting 20th. I don't think they can catch LA, and the Eastern finalists are likely ahead of the Wild in points. To me, if we make the playoffs, we're due #17 if we lose in the 1st 2 rounds of the playoffs. 20th would assume we could stumble into 3rd place in the division, something I'd say we gave away in losing both home and homes. 

    To get there, we'd have to keep all relevant players healthy. That is much easier said than done.

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    On 1/24/2024 at 12:32 PM, MNCountryLife said:

    Why not... the roster, when healthy, can compete against most teams.

    You really think that?

    this team is not built for the playoffs and has so many holes it’s ridiculous.

    i don’t understand how ppl think this is a competitive team.

    do you want a team that can compete with all these high quality teams or actually win against teams?

    how many years has this team made it to the first round then got beat?

    you think this team is any better?

    I don’t want a team that barely makes it in to the playoffs and “competes” with teams only to get beat the first round.

    i want a well constructed team with as little holes as possible to be prepared to WIN in the playoffs and WIN a Stanley Cup.

    it makes absolutely no sense to barely make it in, to pick between 15-20 in the first round.

    Why are Wild fans standards so unbelievably low?

     

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    On 1/24/2024 at 12:33 PM, Dean said:

    It’s nice to see them playing some respectable hockey the past few games. In my opinion it wasn’t a vote of confidence that got them to start winning a few games. I think it was the talk of trading fleury and others if out of playoffs. I think this is the same team we see every year. They do enough to stay mediocre an not anymore. They were healthy to start year and they decided not to play the first 20 games . Now when players and there families might get moved the team decides to start giving some effort. 
         My guess is they finish a few points out of playoffs with a 15-20 th pick for draft. If they do squeak in , they will get embarrassed again . We aren’t close to the top teams in roster or depth . This year feels like the same old stuff . Do just enough to not be one of the  bottom teams but never enough to be a good team. We so need a top 10 pick more than a fake push for playoffs 

    EXACTLY!!!

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    On 1/24/2024 at 12:56 PM, Citizen Strife said:

    If Edmonton showed anything, it's that writing a team off until the season is out of reach is foolish. 

    That situation/team isn’t even in the same realm as the Mn Wild’s..

    they have arguably the top 2 players in the nhl the last 3-4 years.

    they have incredible depth in RNH and Hyman, Bouchard, Kane etc.

    thats not a good comparison.

    why get into the playoffs if you aren’t built to make a legitimate push to win a Stanley cup?

    it just doesn’t make sense.

     

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    Because losing sucks and no player on any team is going to accept that ever, just because fans are going to sit there and say its "for the best."  Being defeatist is a stupid mindset, so excuse me for being a bit positive.

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    On 1/26/2024 at 8:20 PM, Citizen Strife said:

    Because losing sucks and no player on any team is going to accept that ever, just because fans are going to sit there and say its "for the best."  Being defeatist is a stupid mindset, so excuse me for being a bit positive.

    You facilitate the losing. It’s a strategy to WIN. It’s anything but defeatist.

    you trade players that have value for picks and let younger players play which is a big component of a tank.

    San Jose is doing this very thing right now.

    you don’t need any player to “accept” anything whatsoever.

    So is tanking a defeatist attitude?are you just not liking the word tank?

    you can call it a regroup or acquiring the proper tools to win.

    if you want to win, you don’t show up to the playoffs with improper personnel. The goal is to win a Stanley Cup correct? 
    Did the Pens have a defeatists attitude when they got Crosby, Malkin and Fleury?

    Did the Hawks have a defeatist attitude when the got Toews and Kane?

    How about Tampa when they got Hedman?

    Kings when they got Doughty?

    all the players/teams had to tank to get the players I listed above. They were all within the 1st to 6th pick I believe.

    i want to tank so we can truly WIN and the state of hockey can finally win a Stanley Cup!

     

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    I thought Kaprizov had the Stanley Cup in his back pocket when he got here? You certainly would have thought as much the way most fans were carrying on. And truthfully the way he was playing at first it looked as if he just might be able to take this mediocre team across the finish line or at least deep into the playoffs. Now it's draft picks and prospects are what we need. 

    Kaprizov is not the same player he was. He's streaky, prone to bad turnovers and looks to have lost a step over the last two years. Could be a lingering injury or just the effect of being in a losing culture. He is certainly a big fish in a small pond being on this team.  I have my doubts Guerin is going to be able to keep him here. Given the mess this team is from the front office to the locker room who can blame him for wanting to get back to a winning culture. I feel he can get back to playing the way he did when he first got here but it will be in a different jersey. 

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    Ask Edmonton how the previous McDavid drafting helped them...oh wait.  It didn't.  Eichel got traded from Buffalo to get his ring, so Buffalo didn't win via tanking either.  Ottawa, with 3-5 high end draft picks haven't done shit in their rebuild either.  You act as if there's a one size fits all method to winning any and all games ever.  

    All you can say right now is Guerin jumped the gun (either from Leipold's mandate or his own hubris).  If any or all of the Yurov's, Wallstedt's, etc. turn into half as good a prospects as Faber did, and the Wild win next year, the hell do you say to "Oh we should have fucking tanked and given up?"  The Wild had a high pick and got Pouliot out of it once.  How'd that help them?  #1 picks like Yakupov and Daigle exist too, you know.

    I'm not unrealistic.  There was every indication the Wild could have paid the price for signing the extensions.  That's all you can accuse them of yet.  Telling the team to lay down and die isn't going to fly with them, and I don't think you get that it isn't always a solution either.

    If there weren't good players coming, then you'd have an argument against being "optimistic" or "naive."  One bad year doesn't mean the team is never going to make hay next year.  

    You're free to root for Dallas or Colorado anytime you know.

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    Note: my point overall (though not all, and I'm not saying everyone is like this) is a lot of articles and comments think one bad year or one bad contract means the team is worthless, wasting time, isn't worth rooting for, or is a dead end team.  I hope you can understand that my stance has been that is it pointlessly defeatist and pessimistic, when it doesn't really have to be.  Just trying to balance the "fanatical pessimism" I'm seeing with a bit more realistic optimism.

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    On 1/26/2024 at 7:49 PM, Mateo3xm said:

    You really think that?

    this team is not built for the playoffs and has so many holes it’s ridiculous.

    Competitive. This is your average team that is constantly on the bubble for playoffs.  Yes, the Wild can be competitive with this roster when healthy.  But they are not cup contenders.  We need to let our prospect pool build and see if it pays off.

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