Jump to content
Hockey Wilderness
  • Bill Guerin Has Lost His New GM Smell


    Image courtesy of Matt Blewett-USA Today Sports
    Tony Abbott

    The New Car Smell is a real phenomenon. Everything's clean, everything smells like it's right out of the package. You try to keep it going as long as you can. Maybe you try to throw on a New Car Smell air freshener, but it offers diminishing returns. You might not dream of throwing that fast-food wrapper on the ground when the New Car Smell lingers. But once it fades? Anything goes. It's just another car now.

    Bill Guerin his New Car Smell for a while. We can track the potency of the smell in The Athletic's Front Office Confidence Rankings from year to year. In 2021 and 2022, the first two years of the rankings, we can see that while the NHL world wasn't sold on the Minnesota Wild's vision, the local fanbase was thoroughly Bill-pilled.

    But suddenly...

    image.png

    The New GM Smell can no longer be detected in Minnesota. The Wild fell 15 places in 2024's confidence rankings by the local fanbase. The Buffalo Sabres (from 12th to 27th), Seattle Kraken (from 13th to 28th), and Los Angeles Kings (16th to 32nd) are the only other franchises that saw this steep drop with their local fans. 

    The bottom fell out of the confidence level of the local fanbase. Even with the locals ranking 11th last season, 40% of the fan base were more confident in the direction of the franchise than they were the previous year. That's opposed to 7% of fans seeing a drop in their faith in the organization. This year, it's flipped entirely and then some. Only 6% of the fan base increased their confidence in Guerin, while 65% said confidence waned.

    That's a minus-59 differential, which is a really big, really fast turnaround for Wild fans. While there might still be some diehards left on Billy Island, to most Wild fans, he's just another GM now.

    What happened?

    To answer that, we've got to take a look at the years past. What did Guerin excel at, and what did fans buy into the most? We can find out by stacking up the local fanbase ranking in each category, year by year:

    image.png

    It's curious how little of the day-to-day transactions factored into Minnesota fans' confidence in Guerin's front office. They never regarded Guerin as a top-notch trader, a free agent savant, or a crafty salary cap manager. The big things that hit home with the home crowd were the actual rosters, the work of Judd Brackett's scouting department, and the overall vision. We can see that bear out in the comments Wild fans submitted along with their votes.

    From 2021: "The jury is out on how all of Guerin's moves will work out, but he does not seem shy about making tough decisions and sticking to his guns."

    From 2022: "The future looks bright... once we get out cap hell." and "It's a completely different franchise [since Guerin took over]."

    From 2023: "Love to see a front office with a focus on the future.... Excited to see this management start building toward a Cup window in a few years."

    It was easy to see the bright future last summer when the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter buyouts reduced significantly, and Minnesota finally seemed to have free reign in their cap space. However, Guerin's moves in the last 12 months have hampered that future of wide-open possibilities.

    Long, expensive extensions to Ryan Hartman, Marcus Foligno, and Jake Middleton tie up $4 million-plus in each player for at least the next three seasons. Yakov Trenin signed a four-year pact with Minnesota, adding another $3.5 million to the Wild's salary cap commitments.

    Suddenly, the Wild are poised only to have $15.05 million in cap space (more if the salary cap rises from $88 million) in 2025-26. That's not terrible, but it does leave less than $2 million each for the eight roster spots they'll need to fill. And their pending mega-contract for Kirill Kaprizov, which would kick in to start the 2026-27 season, will also eat into their future cap room.

    That foreclosing of the future is reflected in the biggest drop for any aspect of the Wild's front office: Their Vision. Minnesota's fans were among the 10, and sometimes five, in the NHL in terms of buying into their team's future. Now, they're flirting with the bottom five. 

    Forget the future, too. The Wild's extensions have made them too strapped to even buy low on goal-scorer Patrik Laine, even if the Columbus Blue Jackets eat half of his cap hit. Of course, some of this has to do with the last year of cap hell. Still, spending $4 million on Mats Zuccarello, Hartman, Foligno, $3.5 million on Trenin, and another $2.5 million on a nearly 40-year-old Marc-Andre Fleury feels like an unforced error that will cost them Laine.

    What's the plan? For a long time, Wild fans thought they knew it: Ride out the storm of cap hell and use their young talent and cap flexibility to be aggressive heading into next summer. That young talent is still there. However, with so little room to add to this core going forward, the team is relying almost entirely on Brackett's prospect pool to get them to a top-level team. It can work, but the margin for error is slim.

    Once a GM loses the fan base, the clock officially starts ticking. Guerin's grace period lasted a while; fans gave him about five years of rope. Now, we're going to have to see results on the ice before the fans have their confidence restored in the team's front office.

    Think you could write a story like this? Hockey Wilderness wants you to develop your voice, find an audience, and we'll pay you to do it. Just fill out this form.

    • Like 5
    • Thanks 1

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    the Guerin/brackett results are finally coming in. 

    This sounds like election night!!!! What precincts are reporting???

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 hour ago, Amaddeo said:

    I think he should recognize that he will need to shed some not so great contracts and show that he made a mistake with the Freddy signing and get rid of him. No shame in fixing a mistake you make. 

    Shooter has made that possible by starting with NMCs and later making them M-NTCs. I think the players that got extended with the exception of Zuccarello, know that they may very well be traded and they were given market value salaries so that they didn't get screwed. Again, that type of GM gets around the league as someone you wouldn't mind playing for. 

    • Like 2
    • Thanks 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    41 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I would have banked the Hartman money and put in a youngster, maybe like Milne, and saved the money for the TDL.

    Milne? We've seen Sammy Walker at the NHL level and Milne isn't that good. Hartman is a solid deal. Doubtful you can bring in a better player on a lower contract without giving up prospects or picks you want for the future. Hartman isn't elite, but he doesn't really have holes in his game either. He's a solid veteran that can help you win and hopefully he can keep himself out of the box a little bit more this year.

    Hartman isn't the insanely good deal he was in the past, but he's definitely on a solid contract for what he can provide. Hartman has scored at or above a 20 goal per 80 game pace each of the last 3 seasons.

    Hartman doesn't turn 30 until the day before the Wild's 1st preseason game, so should have plenty of strong years left and he's only signed though age 32.

    • Like 3
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    17 hours ago, Protec said:

    The Wild are always going nowhere, even before they set franchise records for wins or points. 

    Are you aware all those reg season records you speak of mean absolutely nothing in the playoffs?? You’re aware of that right? Have you seen any improvements where it matters, like the playoffs? 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

    Have you seen any improvements where it matters, like the playoffs?

    I'm a big hockey fan.  Love sitting down and catching the Wild play during the season.  Winning in the regular season is just as important to me as the playoffs.  I enjoy the regular season... from game 1 all the way to the end... even the painful times at the end of the season when they don't make it to the party.  Maybe I've been a Vikings fan too long.  Ugh.  Yes, Lord Stanley would be the cherry on top.  

    • Like 5
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Milne? We've seen Sammy Walker at the NHL level and Milne isn't that good. Hartman is a solid deal. Doubtful you can bring in a better player on a lower contract without giving up prospects or picks you want for the future. Hartman isn't elite, but he doesn't really have holes in his game either. He's a solid veteran that can help you win and hopefully he can keep himself out of the box a little bit more this year.

    Hartman isn't the insanely good deal he was in the past, but he's definitely on a solid contract for what he can provide. Hartman has scored at or above a 20 goal per 80 game pace each of the last 3 seasons.

    Hartman doesn't turn 30 until the day before the Wild's 1st preseason game, so should have plenty of strong years left and he's only signed though age 32.

    The old rule of thumb for forwards was $100k/pt.  Last 3 seasons Hartzy put up 65pts (82 games), 37pts (59 games), and 45pts (74 games) which means a $4M deal is right in line and that's before you start talking about the 'extras' that a guy like Hartzy brings to your team.

    Also, to support your point, if you replace Hartzy with Milne you might have banked some caps space for the TDL, but if you're not going to be a buyer.  Last time that happened they got GusGus (who was still on IR for much of his stint here), Mojo and a '25 4th round pick for retaining 50% in the ROR deal.  If that's the return we'd pull at the TDL I'd rather keep Hartzy.

    • Like 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    6 hours ago, Outskated said:

    It was really bad in the case of Foligno's contract

    Again being outside the room I can only speculate…. My gut says BG had a handshake agreement with Foligno and Hartman that basically said “ Hey help me out through the tightest cap buyout years and I will take care of you, and then some, when I can.” My guess is all across the NHL these sort of relationships, loyalty, etc. eventually become, so to speak, inside the room, common knowledge. 

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    24 teams lose in round one or don't make the playoffs. I hear ya on the Wild's regular season importance but MN has players like Chisholm, Faber, Boldy, and Ohgren who should get better. I've used the examples of WPG & NSH who didn't look amazing last off season but made the playoffs and also lost out. My point is, it's not so bad. 

    • Like 5
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    8 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Milne?

    Milne was just throwing a name out there, it could be anybody, but Milne has been in Iowa for 2 years and may be close to ready. Walker was playing top 6 minutes, but Milne is being groomed for the bottom 6, might be a better fit. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    5 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

    Also, to support your point, if you replace Hartzy with Milne you might have banked some caps space for the TDL, but if you're not going to be a buyer.  Last time that happened they got GusGus (who was still on IR for much of his stint here), Mojo and a '25 4th round pick for retaining 50% in the ROR deal.  If that's the return we'd pull at the TDL I'd rather keep Hartzy.

    Let's not forget about Sunny too! The difference would be that if you bring in a big name guy, you could resign him the following year. We couldn't do that 2 years ago.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    13 hours ago, Amaddeo said:

    I think the window will be open starting next season.

    I hear this term often. Is this to mean the Wild's window to winning a Stanley Cup championship opens next year?

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    You gotta make the playoffs to have a shot. The Wild need to start with that goal. Make the playoffs, don't have a bad start. Be consistent. Win draws and buy into roles and details. That would fix a lot.

    P.S. Stay healthy. Young guys, step it up a few notches.

    • Like 5
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    13 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Let's not forget about Sunny too! The difference would be that if you bring in a big name guy, you could resign him the following year. We couldn't do that 2 years ago.

    I did genuinely forget Sundquist...what an impact.

    Marner (TOR), Draisdtl (EDM), Rantanen (COL) and Boeser (VAN) aren't going to be sold at the TDL assuming their teams are likely still in the playoff contention.  Best available, depending on how the season goes, might be Kuzmenko (CGY), Dvorak (MTL) or Fabri (ANH)?

    I was excited when BillyG stated he was going to 'weaponize our cap space' but was quickly disappointed at the results of what he was able to do with it.  And from that perspective, I'd rather have Hartzy out there making the first 3/4 of the season more interesting/competitive than some dud out of Iowa.

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Just a thought, Guerin has now signed Ek, Boldy, and Faber to nice value deals for solid term. 

    Guerin has drafted what looks like a really good goalie, top-pairing, dynamic, NCAA winner, defenseman, and another Russian KHL Champ to go with Rossi who scored 40pts. 

    When you sign Vaj for the organization and sprinkle in the other draft picks and veteran depth, it's pretty good overall. At the end of the day if the new car smell is gone, that's cause you're beginning to pick up the aroma of Knudi, Ogre, Vaj coming on even while the NoJo is lost. 

    spacer.png

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    4 hours ago, Protec said:

    Just a thought, Guerin has now signed Ek, Boldy, and Faber to nice value deals for solid term. 

    Guerin has drafted what looks like a really good goalie, top-pairing, dynamic, NCAA winner, defenseman, and another Russian KHL Champ to go with Rossi who scored 40pts. 

    When you sign Vaj for the organization and sprinkle in the other draft picks and veteran depth, it's pretty good overall. At the end of the day if the new car smell is gone, that's cause you're beginning to pick up the aroma of Knudi, Ogre, Vaj coming on even while the NoJo is lost. 

    spacer.png

    I see what you did there.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    4 hours ago, Protec said:

    Just a thought, Guerin has now signed Ek, Boldy, and Faber to nice value deals for solid term. 

    Guerin has drafted what looks like a really good goalie, top-pairing, dynamic, NCAA winner, defenseman, and another Russian KHL Champ to go with Rossi who scored 40pts. 

    When you sign Vaj for the organization and sprinkle in the other draft picks and veteran depth, it's pretty good overall. At the end of the day if the new car smell is gone, that's cause you're beginning to pick up the aroma of Knudi, Ogre, Vaj coming on even while the NoJo is lost. 

    spacer.png

    Looking forward to a big opener from Vaj, keeping opponents out of the slot.

    (there's lots of gold to mine here but it feels like I haven't found the groove yet)

    • Haha 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    "It was easy to see the bright future last summer when the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter buyouts reduced significantly, and Minnesota finally seemed to have free reign in their cap space."

     

    What utter Fox 'News' distortion. Wtf? 

     

    2nd:  The extensions are value signings, and are each thereby tradable assets. No move clauses merely give control to players in any trade.  

     

    3rd: Signing core players through an expected dry spell is a recipe for success when the water flows again. 

     

    4th: Young smallish Russian skill players now have a Russian thumper at their back. No more cross checks to 97's lower back. 

     

    5th: If Guerin would have tanked now Wild nation would have backed him? Neither Guerin nor Wild fans are bred to tank. He's a winner and true Wild fans know he's done better with what he's got than any MN GM ever has. I guess it took a guy from Mass to live up to MN values. 

    • Like 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    On 8/8/2024 at 1:04 PM, MNCountryLife said:

    I'm a big hockey fan.  Love sitting down and catching the Wild play during the season.  Winning in the regular season is just as important to me as the playoffs.  I enjoy the regular season... from game 1 all the way to the end... even the painful times at the end of the season when they don't make it to the party.  Maybe I've been a Vikings fan too long.  Ugh.  Yes, Lord Stanley would be the cherry on top.  

    You understand where I’m going with this? Why is everyone on here ok with regular season success but no playoff success? There has been no improvements whatsoever in the playoffs. How are peoples aspirations not winning a cup? If your goal is for simply having a good reg season I suppose you’re happy with that but I’m not. It’s as if people have all been duped or something. I want the state of f@ckin hockey to have a Stanley Cup. It’s a joke to me that we are the state of hockey and that mn has the highest amount of nhl players that have come from the US and we have almost nothing to show for.

    When it all boils down to it, the regular season means nothing if you can’t win in the playoffs. It’s incredibly sad that standards are that low.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I agree players don't tank. It's just as well to rebuild and stay competitive. Arguably better unless the wheels really fall off. 

    MN is looking very good and might not need Spurgeon before long. Money and opportunity is there to extend Kaprizov and add a player. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...