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  • Bill Guerin Has Burned the Ships


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    Tony Abbott

    The story goes that when Spanish Conquistador and genocidal maniac Hernan Cortez landed in modern-day Mexico in 1519, he ordered his fleet of ships burned. Was it a practical decision? No. It was about sending a message. His forces would destroy the Aztec Empire or be destroyed in turn. There would be no retreat.

    That is admittedly kind of a ridiculous anecdote to lead into talking about a general manager trying to keep his hockey team competitive despite a $15 million salary cap disadvantage. For one, if Bill Guerin succeeds in getting the Minnesota Wild to be a playoff team, it won't be a net negative to humanity. But when embarking on this season, Guerin burned his boats to ensure the only way was forward.

    In September, Guerin signed Mats Zuccarello, Marcus Foligno, and Ryan Hartman to extensions. Each player was an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season but expressed their desire to remain with the Wild long-term. Guerin obliged. He kept the trio around for two, four, and three more years, respectively, armed with no-trade and no-move clauses.

    The upside of these deals was that if the Wild stayed competitive this season, they could maintain the continuity and momentum into the next several seasons. Perhaps not having the looming cloud of uncertainty would enable them to play their best.

    Of course, the downside is that if things go wrong, then Guerin burned his boats. If the Wild were, say, five points out of a playoff spot on January 11, entering trade deadline season with veterans like Zuccarello, Foligno, and Hartman would be a great way to salvage the season. These players were all on team-friendly deals. In Foligno and Hartman's case, they are arguably way cheaper than the value they provide. Teams want those kinds of players, and Guerin could have gotten a haul for them.

    But no. There would be no retreating. The Wild limited their options to winning or disaster.

    It's becoming clear which path the Wild are going down. It is January 11, and the Wild are five points out of a playoff spot. After 40 games, the Wild are tied with the Buffalo Sabres in the standings, jockeying for the sixth-best draft lottery odds in the league. And that's after Guerin played the coaching change card.

    Sure, injuries ravaged the team in a way that would be hard to predict. Jared Spurgeon has only played in 16 games. Jonas Brodin has been out for 15 games and counting. And now Kirill Kaprizov has missed six games, in which the Wild have only scored 10 goals. Is that bad luck that Guerin couldn't necessarily count on? Yeah, that's safe to say.

    The problem is that the Wild would always have to operate on thin margins, even at their best. Their salary cap woes have escalated to $15 million in buyout penalties. The strain would always show, even if the Wild overcame it. Minnesota's vaunted depth of the past two years is gone. For one reason or another, important players like Kevin Fiala, Matt Dumba, Jordan Greenway, Nico Sturm, Mason Shaw, Calen Addison, and more are gone. That was always going to be the case entering this year.

    The Wild were able to sustain key injuries before. Now, one or two sends the whole thing crashing down. Guerin needed to hedge against that possibility, even a little bit, and he did not.

    And for what? Minnesota didn't want the team to be uncompetitive or unable to ease their players into the NHL. Mission not accomplished. The Wild have lost six of their last seven games, looking uncompetitive in almost all of them. While Marco Rossi and Brock Faber are thriving with responsibility, we're seeing the team have to rush rookies like Daemon Hunt and, most recently, Jesper Wallstedt into NHL action before they are ready.

    By burning his boats. Guerin threatens to have a compounding cost on the team's future. Not only did he forfeit any assets that could have come back the team's way -- assets they could have used to acquire players when the salary cap hell is over -- he did it to keep depreciating assets around. Zuccarello, Foligno, and Hartman will all be 30 and over next year. In two years, will Guerin wish he had a boatload of assets he could use to acquire the next young star player to hit the trade market or a collection of vets in their mid-to-late 30s? 

    The Wild can still get a bright light at the end of this disaster year's tunnel, of course. If they land a Macklin Celebrini or Cole Eiserman in the draft, will that somewhat offset the opportunity cost those extensions created? Definitely. But they also could have had both, and shipping out those three contracts for assets would also help their chances of celebrating Celebrini in the organization.

    It's not a failure if the Wild can't drag a $15 million anchor over the finish line and end up in the league's basement. It's a hard task that would be difficult for any GM to overcome. It is a failure not to secure the flexibility to pivot to a Plan B if things go wrong. In that sense, Guerin hasn't just failed. He specifically engineered a situation where he would be guaranteed to do so if things went sideways.

    If you burn your boats and accomplish your goals, it seems justified in retrospect. But what happens if you don't? We're seeing it now, and in Guerin's case, it's looking more and more like an unforced error that threatens to hamper his team's long-term ambitions to compete for the Stanley Cup.

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    38 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Interesting take.  Guerin didn't have the money to go steal a player from another team.  Clearly the players in the A are not ready for the N.  So what else could Guerin have done to salvage the season.   I think you are correct.  Probably nothing.  He did what he could.

    My concern would be that we can't trade players away for more draft picks or other players because of the no-move clauses.  That could have been better.  I wonder if BG looks at next year and says this is as good as it will get.  Are we really in for another 1.5 years of horrible hockey.  Probably.... and that sucks.

    Losing sucks, makes watching this team 0 fun. But for a long time the mantra was "we need to tank for a top pick, we can't win unless we get a top pick" Now we are tanking (which is seemed a lot of individuals wanted) and now its the "BG ruined this team, why are we not competitive, look at how garbage this year is". I agree with a lot of point but just find it funny that it seems the same people who weren't happy not tanking are now unhappy tanking.

    I don't know, I love hockey, even in this season I love watching because well, I am a masochist? Frustrating? Yes. Yelling at the tv when we get shelled by the former north stars? Absolutely. but when you are playing 40 mil short what can we expect. Its a crap year, too many big injuries to key players, 15 mil cap hit, just not a recipe to win.

    While we are all hyped for the young guns and want to see them, what if they aren't ready yet? Hear me out, imagine a situation where contracts end, 15 mil in cap is back to use AND the young guys are ready on ELC. The buying power you have in FA will be insane. Have that with possibly tanking for a year or 2 with high draft picks? Boy howdy we may have a stew going.  I am joining citizen on this, look at bright side and hope 2 to 3 years from now we are just beginning a long run of being a threat to the rest of the league. It may never happen, but I am the typical minnesota fan, always have hope and ready to have it shattered again. OK I am done ranting.

    Side note to mnfan, much respect to your long paragraphs as often as you have them, love to read them but dang, lot to type out and not sound like a crazy person haha, kudos to you.

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    17 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I haven't really thought about this much ... are we lacking in player variety?  

    You would tend to get this when looking for overperforming players. I think you'd need an in depth study of each rostered player. Hynes has spoken often about identity. He wants a team identity and even breaks that down to a line identity and a pairing identity. 

    Part of the player variety is located on the IR list. But, the other part that says speed & skill are turning from Boys to Men. This is where it gets a little murky, mainly because we do not have all of our top prospects in the A. They're a little harder to find. But, this much I can say, those speed & skill guys are coming. This team will have a different identity in a couple of seasons. Each line's identity will change. Our defensive pairings will be very strong again, and we'll see that great puck moving defense like we're used to. 

    Essentially, with some of the players, timing didn't match up. We didn't plan on Merrill and Goligoski cliff diving in Acapulco. Faber was a late arrival, but has filled in admirably for Dumba. Addison couldn't play defense and didn't really want to learn how. O'Rourke couldn't put on the necessary weight. Hunt is breaking in, and Lambos is hopefully adapting to a new league. Spacek, Masters, Peart were always going to take a little longer. 

    A similar thing happened with the offense. Fiala was moved out, but his replacement piece(s) just aren't here yet. I think there was hope Beckman could fill in, but even he has failed to bulk up to where he needs to be to compete in the N. His opportunity came, and unfortunately, no one was home to answer the phone.

    Also on The Wall's struggles. Typically, a player, especially really good ones, remember the shellackings more than the wins. Fleury is around for just the rest of the year. He is a good assistant coach and I'm glad that The Wall struggled while he was still here. Fleury will help The Wall get past this. This is not The Wall's tryout for the rest of the season, this is The Wall's cup of coffee debut where he will soon be called into Shooter's office and given things to work on when he is sent back down to the A. It will be positive. If we're worried about the defensive play in front of him at the N level, know this, he's getting just as much terrible support in the A, so he's used to it!

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    16 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    He and Goose2 would make up a very decent battery and probably fairly inexpensive. 

    I don't disagree with this.  Except that I heard speculation that the Gus Bus will be a decent trade chip (one of only a few we have) at TDL this year and I'd already convinced myself this is happening.  So that would leave a fully washed Fleury and Wally next year.  I think the consensus is that Wally's in the N next year.

    Is Hunter Jones still in our system? 

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    2 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I don't disagree with this.  Except that I heard speculation that the Gus Bus will be a decent trade chip (one of only a few we have) at TDL this year and I'd already convinced myself this is happening.  So that would leave a fully washed Fleury and Wally next year.  I think the consensus is that Wally's in the N next year.

    Is Hunter Jones still in our system? 

    I don't know why we would trade Goose2 except that he doesn't have a designation. It's still quite an affordable deal, he is young, and likely part of the solution. This would not be a piece I would trade. 

    Since Fleury's on the end of his deal, I do not believe we will resign him. He will have made his longterm legacy goals by the end of the season too. So, this would call into speculation that another rideshare goalie would need to be acquired and we could do a lot worse on that than just keeping Goose2.

    Yes, Hunter Jones is still in the system. He is currently with the Heartlanders and not doing well. He played 1 game with the Baby Wild and got shelled. Guerin/Brackett have not spent late round picks on goalies in the past few seasons. They should have been doing this. Hunter Jones appears to be playing with a severe lack of confidence. I think a change of scenery at the end of the year would be best for both parties. 

    Incidentally, the one that got away, Filip Lindberg is playing back in Finland and not doing real well. With the Baby Pens, he was only able to play 26 games in 2 years. He now plays for TPS in the Liiga.

    Guerin has come out and said previously that he is not a goalie guy. I don't know if Brackett is either, but our pipeline for 'tenders is in trouble. Spend a 5-7 rounder every year on a goalie and hope one pans out. It's more of a crapshoot with the 'tenders as they have so long to develop and you never know when their confidence gets shot. Also, I do think it is a decent strategy to take an overager late in a draft. Those guys can give you an extra year or 2 of development. Out of all the E players, goalies are the most likely to make it.

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    5 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    It's still quite an affordable deal, he is young, and likely part of the solution.

    Which is why he's got market value and could be flipped to fill other needs given We'll have Our Can't Miss Goalie Prospect in the N.  We go get Cam Talbot 2.0 to complete the tandem for next 3 years.

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    6 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Are we tanking on purpose or on accident?

    I think this is accident.  The last two 100+ point seasons were a mirage (1st round exits are the proof) and now we're feeling the pain of the buyouts.  We're also feeling the pain of Chuck Fletcher's trade the future to win now strategy which has created 5+ years of barren prospect pipeline.  This is also why I keep saying Benito's picks need to become top 9 nhl'rs ASAP.  If not the org. experiences7-8 yrs of no help from developing it's own.  For a team to succeed it needs a balance of cheap internally developed players supplemented with a couple free agent home runs.  Brian Rolston is a free agent home run.  Stall, Pominville = home runs.  NoJo = bean ball.  Gudreau = base on balls.

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    15 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

    Are we tanking on purpose or on accident?

    It seems to be on purpose, but in the back of my mind I'm thinking all this might be just bad coaching choices.

    Accident, and you could also question if we're really tanking, or if how the wild have looked over the past 5 games were the perfect storm of injuries and playing both WPG twice and DAL twice...two teams who've had the wild's number.

    According to Dom, the MN wild had the 5th hardest first half schedule, and the 2nd easiest second half schedule

    You gotta beat the teams you're better than, and the problem is the Wild dont meet those guys a lot until the back half of the season.

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    15 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I think this is accident.  The last two 100+ point seasons were a mirage (1st round exits are the proof) and now we're feeling the pain of the buyouts.  We're also feeling the pain of Chuck Fletcher's trade the future to win now strategy which has created 5+ years of barren prospect pipeline.  This is also why I keep saying Benito's picks need to become top 9 nhl'rs ASAP.  If not the org. experiences7-8 yrs of no help from developing it's own.  For a team to succeed it needs a balance of cheap internally developed players supplemented with a couple free agent home runs.  Brian Rolston is a free agent home run.  Stall, Pominville = home runs.  NoJo = bean ball.  Gudreau = base on balls.

    I think a lot of this falls on the player development staff. All those guys are grit guys. If you would departmentalize the player development side, have a guy in charge of the forwards, a guy in charge of the defenders, and a guy in charge of the goalies, I think we'd be better. Especially, if those guys were highly respected former NHL players, not like the guys we have there now. 

    In this format, someone like Koivu would do really well for the forwards. We don't have that defender yet, though, Goligoski might be able to transition into that role. Fleury would do well in the goalie role eventually. All of these guys would pay attention to the prospects, not just the guys in the A. They'd visit college campuses and jr. teams at least twice a year, and they'd take a couple of tours in Europe each year (sometimes coinciding with the WJCs). I do not like the way the department is run right now, and I think this is one area where Shooter has not put his stamp on the franchise. He's taken more of the "this is the way it's always been" approach.

    Nashville did this with Phil Housley and the results were a consistent pipeline of defenders coming up to the big club. I think we could do this. And, we also need a far better strength coach.

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    18 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

    You gotta beat the teams you're better than, and the problem is the Wild dont meet those guys a lot until the back half of the season.

    and you got to be relatively healthy when you face them.

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    1 hour ago, IllicitFive said:

    Side note to mnfan, much respect to your long paragraphs as often as you have them, love to read them but dang, lot to type out and not sound like a crazy person haha, kudos to you.

    Thanks. It is a lot to type out sometimes, and is frustrating when my "a" was sticking. I couldn't do it on a mobile device. The ads would drive me crazy!

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    30 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    we also need a far better strength coach.

    And add Buttock Bulking Coach underneath the Strength coach on the org chart.  We need a specialist here.  Maybe even two coaches.   Left buttock and right buttock coaches.  If they stick together we can prevent a shit show next season.  Heyohhhh!!

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    1 hour ago, IllicitFive said:

    I don't know, I love hockey, even in this season I love watching because well, I am a masochist?

    That is funny.  I've also watched almost every game right to the end.  Yep..  I fall into that category as well.  I wish for better play yet at the exact same time contradict myself by hoping for a higher draft pick.  I can't win even in my own head.

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    Some great news from Russo today: 

    "Kaprizov, Brodin and Gustavsson getting extra work and contact now. How they respond will determine when they can play, maybe some tomorrow vs. AZ. Fleury starts tonight #mnwild"

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    Also, some line shuffling by Hynes for tonight: 

    Boldy — Hartman — Zuccarello
    Johansson — Ek — Foligno
    Maroon — Rossi — Gaudreau
    Duhaime — Dewar — Raska

    Middleton — Faber
    Goligoski — Bogosian
    Merrill — Mermis

    Fleury

    Interesting line with Rossi, Maroon and Gaudreau. Have Maroon, Foligno, and Hartman played much on a line together this season so far? I could see them being a line that could really be hard to play against. Maybe they're just trying to balance the lines out more? Also, the last few games I keep having to re-read Raska's name as it keeps giving me flashbacks to Rask...

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    2 minutes ago, WheelSnipeCelly said:

    Boldy — Hartman — Zuccarello
    Johansson — Ek — Foligno
    Maroon — Rossi — Gaudreau
    Duhaime — Dewar — Raska

    Hynzy has the line blender out again, and I like it.  Keep blending until some natural chemistry shows itself.  I think this will be perceived as a demotion for Rossi.  Not butt hurt by this as he's been pedestrian lately.  Let's see how he responds.  Boldy also needs to become more noticeable on every shift.  Zuccy should help with that.

    Love me some Raska.  Get it done young man.  There will likely be opening on 4th line next year and you can secure your spot now.

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    10 minutes ago, WheelSnipeCelly said:

    Also, some line shuffling by Hynes for tonight: 

    Boldy — Hartman — Zuccarello
    Johansson — Ek — Foligno
    Maroon — Rossi — Gaudreau
    Duhaime — Dewar — Raska

    Middleton — Faber
    Goligoski — Bogosian
    Merrill — Mermis

    Fleury

    Interesting line with Rossi, Maroon and Gaudreau. Have Maroon, Foligno, and Hartman played much on a line together this season so far? I could see them being a line that could really be hard to play against. Maybe they're just trying to balance the lines out more? Also, the last few games I keep having to re-read Raska's name as it keeps giving me flashbacks to Rask...

    I agree Maroon Foligno Hartman would be good but I would put Ek in the middle of Foligno and Marroon.  I would also go Boldy Rossi Zucc.

    Put NoJo and Freddy and Hartman, the line of misplaced toys, together and just see if something good comes from the chaos. 

    Glad to see Raska back... completely disgusted to see Goligoski or Merrill over Hunt.

     

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    1 hour ago, WheelSnipeCelly said:

    Also, the last few games I keep having to re-read Raska's name as it keeps giving me flashbacks to Rask...

    Watching the play of all 4 lines the past 5 games gives me flashbacks to Rask...

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    5 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

    Losing sucks, makes watching this team 0 fun. But for a long time the mantra was "we need to tank for a top pick, we can't win unless we get a top pick" Now we are tanking (which is seemed a lot of individuals wanted) and now its the "BG ruined this team, why are we not competitive, look at how garbage this year is". I agree with a lot of point but just find it funny that it seems the same people who weren't happy not tanking are now unhappy tanking.

    It's not the losing that's frustrating, it's the inability to make losing work for you. This feels a lot different if they were looking to amass some first-and-second-round picks next month.

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    22 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    That is funny.  I've also watched almost every game right to the end.  Yep..  I fall into that category as well.  I wish for better play yet at the exact same time contradict myself by hoping for a higher draft pick.  I can't win even in my own head.

    Ideally they’d make it entertaining and still lose! But a 7-2 beat down isn’t very fun to watch 😞 

    The Flyers game was an entertaining loss though. Lose more like that, boys!

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    I shut the game off the second the Flyers finished off the Wild. I was afraid Audra and Parrish would be wearing those flower glasses and headbands in post game. They ambushed me with it the first time I wasn't going to let it happen twice!😵‍💫

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    On 1/12/2024 at 9:24 AM, MNCountryLife said:

    My concern would be that we can't trade players away for more draft picks or other players because of the no-move clauses.  That could have been better.  I wonder if BG looks at next year and says this is as good as it will get.  Are we really in for another 1.5 years of horrible hockey.  Probably.... and that sucks.

    Same for me. Would it have killed us (Wild Org) if the contracts (Foligno, NoJo, Hatzy and Hobbit) had been done after this season?

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    You have to pay guys to remain on board during a tank. It's the NHL way. Almost all Cup winners in last 10 years had a top 5, pick in the year or two prior to success. It's the formula, and Guerin is doing it w a 15m handicap. They have two Calder contenders and Dumba was their highest pick since Gaborik.

    It's crazy good how well Guerin has done. Walleye will contend for preeminence in a couple years. Drafting a NHL ready player, and have the Russians and Ogren and The WHL scoring leader, and solid young D corp makes this team a juggernaut in years to come. This is a tank that hopefully gives fans enough to cheer about. And my bet is the Wild draft higher than their odds would suggest. That's the way the NHL works. 

    In addition, valuable players with reasonable NHL salary, w term, make them a better trade asset, not worse. Wild have a stronger bargaining position earlier in the FA market. 

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