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  • A Marco Rossi Breakout Is Lurking Below the Surface


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    Tony Abbott

    As it stands right now, Marco Rossi is sort of the Minnesota Wild's odd man out. The Wild are trying to make a push by going top-heavy on their first line. Their three biggest stars, Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy, are all playing together now. There's no room at the inn for Rossi.

    Theoretically, Minnesota could get Rossi playing time with these high-end players on the power play. In practice, it's only rarely going to happen. Mats Zuccarello is entrenched as the fourth forward on the top unit. Brock Faber is thriving running the unit, taking a five-forward top power play off the table.

    No one can blame coach John Hynes for going with this arrangement. Minnesota's top line is scoring 5.81 goals per hour at 5-on-5, third in the NHL among 152 lines with 100-plus minutes. There's no choice but to roll with that. It's the same deal for a power play that -- don't look now -- is tied with Auston Matthews' Toronto Maple Leafs for fifth-most in the NHL with 45 goals on the season.

    But jeez, this arrangement kind of gives Rossi short shrift. Rossi is (typically) on the second line with Zuccarello and Marcus Johansson, and the latter is a significant step down from the likes of Kaprizov and Boldy. Zuccarello might be in a similar spot at 5-on-5, but at least he's on the power play to put up some offensive numbers. Rossi's few minutes of power play time are generally with Johansson, Ryan Hartman, Freddy Gaudreau, and Declan Chisholm. Again, hardly the firepower some of his other teammates get to enjoy.

    Rossi is in fifth place on the Wild in scoring with 33 points, 11 behind fourth-place Matt Boldy. It's quite the drop-off, and it'd be easy to look at that and conclude that Rossi isn't near the level of Minnesota's Big Four forwards.

    If you happen to be sleeping on Rossi's season, though, it's time to wake up. Not only is Rossi continuing to thrive despite being the "odd man out," but he's also showing signs that a further breakout is on the way with the right opportunity.

    Rossi kicked off his two-goal night with a power play goal, but the bigger deal may have been his second tally of the night. That goal came at 5-on-5 and was his 14th goal and 27th point at 5-on-5 this season. In both categories, he moved past Boldy for sole possession of the team lead. That's right. We're talking ahead of Boldy (13 goals, 26 points), Eriksson Ek (12 goals, 25 points), and Kaprizov (11 goals, 25 points). 

    Minnesota's not having the most spectacular 5-on-5 season, though, so it might be more useful to see Rossi's place in the league. His numbers are still impressive when widening our focus. Twenty-seven 5-on-5 points ties Rossi for 48th in the NHL among forwards, alongside Filip Forsberg, Jonathan Marchessault, and Alex Tuch. His 14 goals are tied for 26th with Brock Boeser, Clayton Keller, and J.T. Miller

    It wouldn't be difficult to compile a list of star players Rossi's out-performing at 5-on-5. There's Matthew Tkachuk (11 goals, 25 points), Brad Marchand (12 goals, 20 points), Evgeni Malkin (11 goals, 24 points), Chris Kreider (13 goals, 24 points), Sebastian Aho (8 goals, 23 points), Cole Caufield (8 goals, 22 points), and Kevin Fiala (8 goals, 22 points). Names most hockey fans know pretty well.

    But the best way to hammer home a comparison might be to stack up Rossi against Eriksson Ek, Wild's No. 1 center. One's a 27-year-old in his prime, having a stretch where he's dominating. The other is a 22-year-old rookie who's often getting second-line duty. Yet, take away the power play, and their numbers are nearly identical, with the edge perhaps going Rossi's way.

    5-on-5 stats, 2023-24 season:

    Marco Rossi: 1.12 Goals/60, 2.15 Points/60
    57.3% Goal Share, 53.3% Expected Goal Share

    Joel Eriksson Ek: 1.00 Goals/60, 2.08 Points/60
    57.0 Goal Share, 53.8 Expected Goal Share

    Where does that put Rossi in the pecking order among centers league-wide? His points per hour currently put him at 29th among his position. Players in his range include 2021 No. 3 overall pick Mason McTavish (2.22 Points/60), Mark Scheifele (2.18), Eriksson Ek, and Bo Horvat (2.07). He's not too far away from Sasha Barkov or Brayden Point (2.32 each), either. Rossi's 5-on-5 puts him in the same conversation as many bonafide No. 1 centers.

    We're also not particularly used to seeing Wild players perform so well, so young. Most players in Wild history have needed time to get up to speed; think players like Mikael Granlund, Nino Niederreiter, or Eriksson Ek.

    Here's how Rossi's 5-on-5 stats stack up all-time* among Wild players under the age of 23:

    1. 2021-22 Matt Boldy (20): 2.99 Points/60
    2. 2023-24 Matt Boldy (22): 2.45 Points/60
    3. 2023-24 Marco Rossi (21): 2.15 Points/60
    4. 2009-10 Guillaume Latendresse (22): 2.09 Points/60
    5. 2014-15 Jason Zucker (22): 2.03 Points/60
    6. 2013-14 Mikael Granlund (21): 1.99 Points/60
    7. 2019-20 Joel Eriksson Ek (22): 1.95 Points/60
    8. 2019-20 Luke Kunin (21): 1.84 Points/60
    9. 2019-20 Jordan Greenway (22): 1.79 Points/60
    10. 2014-15 Mikael Granlund (22): 1.78 Points/60

    Boldy's easily the best very young player to come through the Wild system. But, notably, Rossi's the closest to getting there, especially considering that Boldy rarely has an elite linemate attached to him, between Fiala, Eriksson Ek, and now Kaprizov.

    Faber's excellent, minute-munching rookie season is garnering a lot of attention and oxygen when it comes to Wild Calder candidates, but Rossi has a strong case of his own. He's tied for first in goals (17) with Connor Bedard and second in points (33) with Faber (behind Bedard). In terms of overall impact, Evolving-Hockey's xStandings Points Above Replacement has him as the leader among rookies, crediting Rossi as responsible for 3.9 of the Wild's 58 points. 

    Looking past just the 2023-24 rookie crop, Rossi's season remains impressive. Kaprizov (4.0 xSPAR) sneaks past Rossi by a nose for the top mark on the Wild. Among the entire NHL, Rossi's xSPAR is tied for 39th in the NHL, on equal footing with Kreider, Jason Robertson, and Ryan O'Reilly.

    Speaking of O'Reilly, Rossi's tied with the resurgent Nashville Predators center for 12th at his position. Turns out, the Wild weren't nuts for trading away O'Reilly, after all! In all seriousness, though, Rossi's xSPAR out-ranks Barkov (3.5), Point (3.8), Eriksson Ek (3.3), and Dylan Larkin (3.8), despite each having more minutes with which to generate value.

    We'll have to wait another 26 games to see where his xSPAR ultimately falls. But at the moment, he's accumulating value at a similar rate to a 21-year-old Point, Jonathan Toews, and yes, even Sidney Crosby. Buy it fully or don't, but that should make your ears perk up, at the very least. 

    Remember, Joel Eriksson Ek's ascendency to being accepted as a "True" No. 1 center this season didn't appear out of nowhere. Signs were hinting towards that for years before his latest, biggest breakout. If you missed those, no big deal -- you have another opportunity to get in on the ground floor and predict a breakout for the next great Wild center. Go ahead and take it.

    All data via Evolving-Hockey unless otherwise stated.

    *Minimum 500 minutes, all ages as of September 15

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    Nice that the calls to trade Rossi and try drafting someone to replace him have died down. The Wild made him earn his place through hard work and that has paid dividends for both Rossi and the Wild.

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    Beyond the scoring and stats his game has looked really good.  He is playing with a smoothness and effectiveness that comes from a guy who has figured out a few things and is confident... a confidence that was lacking for about a month there pre ASG.  

    I don't want to start saying the same thing over and over but we gotta get Nojo off that line and replace him with Hartman.

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    Honestly I couldn't believe that Rossi fell to us at #9 in that draft. I mean I know he was undersized and the NHL generally penalizes players for that, but, from what I recall, the scouting on him had him pegged as a top-5, some in the top-3, talent in that draft class. 

    Last year was unfortunate but its great to see him finally paying off on his potential this year. And these numbers are posted with him starting between wingers like Foligno and Gaudreau to start the season, and now put between two 4th liners most recently.

    Honestly I think that's the most impressive/promising aspect of his season this year; no matter who you play him with, the guy is producing. He's not a Victor Rask or Ryan Hartman who's production drops off once he's not playing with Kaprizov. Guy looks like a bonafide top-6 C which is exactly what we were all hoping he'd turn into. 

    Great pick Brackett/Guerin!! 

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    16 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

    Keep running Ek on that top line, and just get Khusnutdinov with Rossi ASAP.  

    Yeah can't wait to get Nutty in here! He's allegedly got a great motor and is fast, so I expect once he joins up we will see less and less of Johansson. 

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    It's easy to complain about the Wild, but I was just thinking the other day that we definitely have some positives. Think about what like Hawks fans are watching, and then think about us (even if they don't win as much as we like):
    1. Remember the lonnnnggg wait we had for KK, and now get to watch him regularly, and win the Calder?
    2. We get to watch Flower. Sure, he's no spring chicken, but still fun to watch.
    3. Boldy - we only had a short wait before getting to see some of what he can deliver
    4. We had to be patient with Rossi, but now he's quietly in the Calder race.
    5. There was no wait with Faber, another Calder candidate.
    6. Hopefully, The Wall is ready to become next year's Calder front runner.
    7. Foligno? Almost always delivers. Don't hold his contract against him, he has taken (and given) a beating for our entertainment.
    Thanks for this one Tony! I too think Rossi hasn't been getting his props around here - we're all distracted by the others.

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    2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Nice that the calls to trade Rossi and try drafting someone to replace him have died down. The Wild made him earn his place through hard work and that has paid dividends for both Rossi and the Wild.

    But he has to EARN a place in the top 6. 🙄

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    Very promising. I had mentioned Daniel Briere last year when so many people were looking to write off Rossi as a failure. Briere had 24 points in the 77 games he played over his age 21 and 22 seasons.

    Rossi has now played in 77 games for the Wild and has 34 points, with almost all of that production in the last 56 games.

    Briere only had 15 points in 30 games at age 23, but in his next 11 seasons(ages 24-34), he would average roughly 70 points per 81 games.

    If Rossi can raise his game to contribute around that level for several years, or even exceed it, the Wild could be contending in a couple of years.

     

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    Rossi's a keeper, on an upward trajectory and plays both ways hard.  Same for Ek, even moreso.  But I take issue about his chops as a true 1C.  Ek struggles to skate the puck through traffic and put one on goal.  True 1Cs do that.  Ek, even when challenged 1-on-1 at the blue line, defaults to dump and chase.  On the PP, Ek is never the guy who takes the drop pass and makes zone entry.  True 1Cs do that.  But Ek's tool box brims with other skills.  In a just world, he would draw about three penalties a game from frustrated oppo D who beat Ek like a gong in front of the paint.  Now let's contrast him with Johansson.  JoJo's ONLY skill is skating the puck through traffic and gaining the zone.  Entry by him is almost a sure thing, but that's it -- JoJo is a one-trick pony.  Ek is a carousel.  

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    15 hours ago, Rohn said:

    Rossi's a keeper, on an upward trajectory and plays both ways hard.  Same for Ek, even moreso.  But I take issue about his chops as a true 1C.  Ek struggles to skate the puck through traffic and put one on goal.  True 1Cs do that.  Ek, even when challenged 1-on-1 at the blue line, defaults to dump and chase.  On the PP, Ek is never the guy who takes the drop pass and makes zone entry.  True 1Cs do that.  But Ek's tool box brims with other skills.  In a just world, he would draw about three penalties a game from frustrated oppo D who beat Ek like a gong in front of the paint.  Now let's contrast him with Johansson.  JoJo's ONLY skill is skating the puck through traffic and gaining the zone.  Entry by him is almost a sure thing, but that's it -- JoJo is a one-trick pony.  Ek is a carousel.  

    Rohn, I can't fault your analysis, but would you really WANT Ek doing this. Both Boldy and Kaprizov are much better at this skill on his line and on the PP. Ek's style on the dump and chase is to pound the defender and try to get him to cough it up. He's very good at that.

    In the Vancouver series in the bubble, Ek scored a very skilled goal in the final game of the series. I've noted that as the Ek's got skill transition and speculated that we would see more offense from the player. It took him 2 years of body building to really make a difference. Now he's a beast, especially net front.

    Rossi has probably got more raw skill than Ek will ever have. However, he needs 1 more good season of body building as I still see him getting knocked around. He's competitive, but he needs that low center of gravity strength to not get knocked around, especially when he sees the hit coming late. That is the main thing. I would also suggest some wrist strengthening for his shot, and some real good draw lessons from Koivu (all the centers should be getting these). He's got potential to be a lot more. 

    I see people calling for Dino to be on his line. Could a Zuccarello-Rossi-Dino smurf's line be effective? I think it would have some speed and allow Zuccarello some good playmaking opportunities, but, if they try this, it will have it's own identity as a line and will have to include low contact and a lot of shiftiness and cutting in and out. This line will have to be moving targets always keeping their feet moving which may drive larger defenders bonkers. 

    I like the idea of deploying such a line and following it up with a hard hitting line featuring Foligno, Dewar, Duhaime. One could definitely see a physical line like that taking a long shift in the offensive zone, drawing an icing and getting the lightning bug line out there, but you've got to win that draw. 

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    16 hours ago, Rohn said:

    But I take issue about his chops as a true 1C.  Ek struggles to skate the puck through traffic and put one on goal.  True 1Cs do that.  Ek, even when challenged 1-on-1 at the blue line, defaults to dump and chase.  On the PP, Ek is never the guy who takes the drop pass and makes zone entry.  True 1Cs do that.  But Ek's tool box brims with other skills.  In a just world, he would draw about three penalties a game from frustrated oppo D who beat Ek like a gong in front of the paint.

    This is a great take.  Rohn has a great hockey mind and high hockey IQ.

    Ekzy is invaluable to this club and he's a fan favorite for good reason, but he's a 2C on a deep playoff run team.  Meaning we've got a legit 1C who's pushed Ek down the lineup.

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    14 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    It took him 2 years of body building to really make a difference.

    Get K-nut with our glute coaches as soon as he crosses the pond.  I'd suggest starting him with the right cheek coach.  Then move to left cheek coach after we see results on the right.

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    16 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Could a Zuccarello-Rossi-Dino smurf's line be effective?

    This gives me PTSD fever dreams of watching Granlund get repeatedly pushed down to the ice during playoff hockey

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    18 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Duhaime.

    Prediction: Duhaime's remaining time with Wild can be measured in days, not weeks.

    BG may keep him around as a glue guy, but it won't be for his ability to make ice hockey plays.  And we've got glue guys signed long term already, so this group need hockey players.

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    12 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    This gives me PTSD fever dreams of watching Granlund get repeatedly pushed down to the ice during playoff hockey

    That's why you follow with the Foligno line, but he's got to play a better enforcer and go after the pieces that hurt the opponent....like crushing their #1D in the corner.

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    10 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Prediction: Duhaime's remaining time with Wild can be measured in days, not weeks.

    He can motor and that's an asset. I think paired with Foligno and Dewar, that could make an interesting line. But, is his presence withholding a spot for Yurov? 

    He's arbitration eligible, but, statistically, he's had a poor year so he would also be inexpensive to resign. Dewar has also had a poor offensive year, and he should be easy and inexpensive too. 

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    20 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Ekzy is invaluable to this club and he's a fan favorite for good reason, but he's a 2C on a deep playoff run team.  Meaning we've got a legit 1C who's pushed Ek down the lineup.

    Ek and Foligno have really good matching games. Could a Zuccarello be a nice 3rd wheel on a 2nd line? Or could Dino be one?

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    3 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Prediction: Duhaime's remaining time with Wild can be measured in days, not weeks.

    BG may keep him around as a glue guy, but it won't be for his ability to make ice hockey plays.  And we've got glue guys signed long term already, so this group need hockey players.

    I’m glad someone brought up Duhaime. When I look at his point production, he’s awful. He’s been given a chance with a 3rd line and has not produced. He has speed and grit but no skill, especially to finish. We have too many of these guys. 
     

    he may have locker room value but that’s it. Effective on the PK but he’s taking a spot from someone who would be more effective 

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