Article: Is Marco Rossi Destined To Become the Next Matt Dumba?

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[Fezig]

Outside of Russo and the media, who is talking about trading Rossi? I don't see many readers of this site promoting it. It's not like the squad has an overabundance of goal scoring centers and it's hard to imagine getting the equivalent in return. Maybe, just maybe, it's the media conjuring up trade speculation as that's pretty much what they do.

[MacGyver]

He can do all the hockey things he wants but until he gets the password to the Billy Boys club  he will live his life on the outside looking in. 

Edited 4 hours ago by MacGyver

[Citizen Strife]

I've been of the belief you can fit both Rossi and Yurov and figure out who is better afterward.  Any worry that the team would lose offensive punch with Zuccarello out and Kap and Boldy going up top died when the Rossi/Hartman line (and I guess Johansson too) found success.

If keeping Rossi means losing a Lauko or Khusnutdinov, you do it.  As good as the 4th line has been, they aren't the scoring threats Rossi keeps proving to be, "passenger" or not.  "But he's 5'9" and kinda slow."  I like Khusnutdinov, but what has the speed advantage gotten him but PK skills?  Khusnutdinov has 6 points in 100 games.  Rossi has 56 in 120....

If you have to bridge deal, just get the bridge deal done.  Figure out if Yurov or Rossi are the better top line fit and pay them more later.

Edited 3 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Looks like Ohgren(5 goals in 5 games) and Toporowski(6 goals in 4 games) might be the best forwards in Iowa. They have as many goals now as the guys who have been in Iowa for 14 to 15 games.

[Citizen Strife]

Oh goodie.  Just read a Flyers dirt sheet site wondering if getting Rossi is a good idea.  Yeah...for them.  Sure shit doesn't look like Frost is a good return for that.  Maybe Frost and a first or something just to get more than a flier on a Flyer...lol sorry. Had to do it.  It was there.

 

 

[OldDutchChip]

his last game against Oilers showed what we (me and Heiny and Billy!) are fearing will happen to him during end of season games and into the playoffs. we cannot hide that many small players. zuccy will come back, and unfortunately for Rossi, there is either him or Zuccy. 

as for the fancy stats - ask your self - is it fair for any of them to be compared to Rossi? maybe then we should look outside of stats? maybe consider (a) luck (b) teammates (c) attention that is afforded in extreme measures to cover for kaprizov, so Rossi either gets spoon fed those on L1 or gets easier time playing against weaker D on other Lines? 

i very much doubt that any of the 14 other players on that list play against the same competition. but regardless - he is one of our biggest assets that we have - to loose that is foolish. Billy will capitalize on it, and Rossi will be gone at TD. if it brings us back Tuch and closes the Dumba circle - that will be fine with me. 

[mnfaninnc]

Reading up on Jiricek, it seems like he is likely to be moved. CBJ might ask for Rossi, but he's not worth that at this point. He's more worth a Johansson. 

I would take a chance on the defender. I think we could get him into Iowa and put him in a more structured environment, something more stable. He's 20 and has confidence issues. That happens to a 20 year old coming over from Europe with not much around him. At least in Iowa, he'd have his teammate, Spacek, to help him out. 

But, just like Laine, Jiricek has minimal market value. Waddell wants a top 6 wing who can help with scoring. Futures is likely what he will get. Jiricek has the potential to be a great replacement for Spurgeon and an RHS shot on D. He's not ready yet, but he can be.

Waddell will have offers, how can our prospect offers stand up? I'm saying a guy like Peart and maybe a wing (nhl) like Bankier might get this done. Perhaps flipping a Heidt who is less far along might work? CBJ is aways away from competing, so maybe Heidt fits their timeline better? 

[bisopher]

Agreed with everyone that says Rossi is doing just fine as 1C / 2C.  If L1 size is an issue, put Ek between KK97 and Zucc, and let Rossi center Boldy and Jojo (or Hartman, or Ohgren eventually) against "heavy" teams.  

When Yurov arrives, either in 25 or 26 (he might very well need part or most of a season in IA, same as Ohgren), we'll have the Good Problem of deciding how to play Ek, Rossi, and Yurov on L1 / L2 / L3.  Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi.

Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

If keeping Rossi means losing a Lauko or Khusnutdinov, you do it. 

Both of these guys won't break the bank, might be closer to minimum deals. That's not where Rossi money is going. Yurov also gets a lower deal, though, he will have bonuses attached to it. I've predicted a bridge deal or long term deal for Rossi coming around the time of year Boldy's did, I think Shooter just needed a little more tape on him.

[MacGyver]

26 minutes ago, bisopher said:

When Yurov arrives,

I wouldn't assume he gets here. They are starting to throw long range missiles that can carry nukes over there. Getting in and out of that country could and likely will become impossible. 

Edited 1 hour ago by MacGyver

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

Sure shit doesn't look like Frost is a good return for that. 

We're not taking Frost + 1st. 1st would likely be lottery protected, it's not going to work. Now if it weren't lottery protected that might be enticing but doesn't help our win now mantra. If it's about winning, I'm not seeing it.

[mnfaninnc]

Can somebody explain this to me. Zuccarello goes down and won't be back for quite awhile. He plays left point on the PP and the QB position. Rossi plays the same spot on PP2. Why isn't Rossi elevated to PP1 in the same spot??? 

This has been bugging me for a couple of games now, it seems like a layup to do this, you know, like picking Barkley on the playground with 10 yr. old kids!

[OldDutchChip]

30 minutes ago, bisopher said:

Agreed with everyone that says Rossi is doing just fine as 1C / 2C.  If L1 size is an issue, put Ek between KK97 and Zucc, and let Rossi center Boldy and Jojo (or Hartman, or Ohgren eventually) against "heavy" teams.  

When Yurov arrives, either in 25 or 26 (he might very well need part or most of a season in IA, same as Ohgren), we'll have the Good Problem of deciding how to play Ek, Rossi, and Yurov on L1 / L2 / L3.  Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi.

Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming.

Agreed with others that, based on his body of work so far, Knudi is the expendable one, not Rossi. I feel the opposite is true. Marat is a keeper. Rossi is expendable. 

Best scenario is that no other team will give GMBG anywhere close to equal value for Rossi, and we keep him until its blindingly obvious to EVERYONE that he's the elite player he's showing every sign of becoming. He is not Elite.   

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Can somebody explain this to me. Zuccarello goes down and won't be back for quite awhile. He plays left point on the PP and the QB position. Rossi plays the same spot on PP2. Why isn't Rossi elevated to PP1 in the same spot??? 

This has been bugging me for a couple of games now, it seems like a layup to do this, you know, like picking Barkley on the playground with 10 yr. old kids!

likely because Boldy Chissy and Kap won't be rotating or joining Ek in the danger zones and you may need 2 people in front of a goalie, and Rossi will just be tossed out. Harty does it better. If Trenin had any games, he probably would be useful. But.... 

[JMC1976]

3 hours ago, Fezig said:

Outside of Russo and the media, who is talking about trading Rossi? I don't see many readers of this site promoting it. It's not like the squad has an overabundance of goal scoring centers and it's hard to imagine getting the equivalent in return. Maybe, just maybe, it's the media conjuring up trade speculation as that's pretty much what they do.

Russo (nail) meet Hammer (this guy ^)

[mnfaninnc]

Just now, OldDutchChip said:

likely because Boldy Chissy and Kap won't be rotating or joining Ek in the danger zones and you may need 2 people in front of a goalie, and Rossi will just be tossed out.

Are you saying that Zuccy wasn't tossed out? He didn't make too many breaks down the side, he played it similar to the way Rossi does. Instead, they stuck Boldy in that position and Hartsy in Boldy's old spot. It just seems like you'd be more disruptive that way than having a capable guy naturally fill in from Zuccy's spot where he's used to playing.

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, mnfaninnc said:

Are you saying that Zuccy wasn't tossed out? He didn't make too many breaks down the side, he played it similar to the way Rossi does. Instead, they stuck Boldy in that position and Hartsy in Boldy's old spot. It just seems like you'd be more disruptive that way than having a capable guy naturally fill in from Zuccy's spot where he's used to playing.

what kept zuccy in pp1 - zuccy and kap chemistry and zuccy's unbelievable passing 

otherwise i think you need more strength and get into tough spots to score PP goals