Article: Yakov Trenin's Defensive Prowess Can Make the Wild More Consistent

[Kalisha Turnipseed]

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[MNCountryLife]

Still 2 months away from season puck drop.  Can't wait to see camp open up and see who has worked hard over the summer months.  Looking forward to the season.  Trenin is a big body role player.  Should add some attitude to the lineup.  

[MNCountryLife]

"Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

[MrCheatachu]

17 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

"Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

I'd be curious to see how many of those 577 PIMS came from 10-minute misconducts...hell, when he threw his stick after that OTL he picked up a 10-minute misconduct when the game was over.

[IllicitFive]

18 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

"Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

Couldn't agree more, he is at his best when playing on the edge, being a pest, grinding on people but needs to know where that line is and not cross it. Being a pest is when he creates opportunities for himself and the team going the other way, not to mention getting others on the opposition off their game.

[Up North Guy]

Wow, good article. You forgot the obligatory slam of BG though. I am sure that will come in a follow up article. (Snide aside, I did enjoy the article.)

[Citizen Strife]

The Wild have just as many problems keeping goals away as they are scoring them, if not moreso.  I'm curious to see what happens.  It was interesting what happened when the Vikings went from not being able to stop anyone to having a terrifying blitz heavy and competent defense from one year to the next.  The Wild can at least get to average hopefully.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

2 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

'd be curious to see how many of those 577 PIMS came from 10-minute misconducts...hell, when he threw his stick after that OTL he picked up a 10-minute misconduct when the game was over.

23-24, Hartman had 72 penalty minutes on 28 penalties w/ 27 penalties drawn.

22-23, Hartman had 90 penalty minutes on 34 penalties w/ 29 penalties drawn.

Total over 5 seasons, 359 penalty minutes on 142 penalties w/ 124 drawn.

That's for 335 regular season games with the Wild. I'm guessing he has around eight 10-minute misconducts and a few 5 minute majors in there.

Last season was one of his least penalized seasons(2nd lowest pace) with the Wild, and it was his best season in Net Penalties(Taken vs. Drawn).

Last season was also his best faceoff(47.0%) season for the Wild since he started playing center regularly.

 

 

 

[mnfaninnc]

3 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

I don't mind him taking penalties, but he needs to be more disciplined in making sure he takes someone with him. Most of these penalties are weeny little stick things that drive a coach crazy. I like the agitation, just make sure you're not the only one headed to the box.

[mnfaninnc]

3 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

but needs to know where that line is and not cross it.

This is a problem that is not necessarily Hartman's fault. Due to the inconsistency of NHL refereeing these past couple of years, the line you talk about isn't straight, it's like a drunk man drew it. Sometimes the line moves mid game and Hartman then crosses it. Sometimes, it's just knowing the referees and how they call games, but with so many new ones out there, that takes some time and experience. I'm not saying Hartman hasn't deserved most of his penalties, but there are some where another guy just did the same thing and nothing happened.

[mnfaninnc]

I like Trenin and Lauko coming to the team. Last season we had a terrible problem: With $15m in penalties, we also had to ice 3 NHL lines and 1 AHL line. That's pretty rough. This season, we're going to get a couple of rookies with tenacity, and another couple of real NHL players to fill out the roster. 

As for Trenin playing with Kaprizov, I believe this will happen but it will be when Heinzy doubleshifts Kaprizov with the 4th line to try and get that goal. If Trenin is playing on the 1st line with Kaprizov, this team is in big trouble!

[Imyourhuckleberry]

4 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

Still 2 months away from season puck drop.  Can't wait to see camp open up and see who has worked hard over the summer months.  Looking forward to the season.

Yurov's season begins September 3rd in the KHL, so just a few weeks away. The first game of the season will be between Metallurg Magnitogorsk(Yurov's team), the 2023–24 Gagarin Cup Champions, and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, the 2023–24 Gagarin Cup runner up.

Hope to see lots of highlights from Yurov this season.

[Pewterschmidt]

48 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

we also had to ice 3 NHL lines and 1 AHL line.

This is a great point and improvement from last season's Luchini/Letteiri/Just a guy line.  That's a high end AHL line, but an NHL tweener line.  Looking forward to Trenin and Lauko bringing the pain this season as NHL rough necks on the 4th line.  Upgrades over Dewar and Duhaime for the role they're asked to play.

[MrCheatachu]

11 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

This is a great point and improvement from last season's Luchini/Letteiri/Just a guy line.  That's a high end AHL line, but an NHL tweener line.  Looking forward to Trenin and Lauko bringing the pain this season as NHL rough necks on the 4th line.  Upgrades over Dewar and Duhaime for the role they're asked to play.

Little known fact...Vinnie Letteiri is Lou Nanne's grandson. 

Not many people know that.

[Dango]

So on paper it looks like Trenin is an upgrade at this point  

Trenin-  43% face off ,  129 blocks,  705 hits , 142 take aways, 116 give aways , 13.57 average time on ice , 299 games   

Duhaime -30.8 % face offs ,  73 blocks,  555 hits ,  59 take aways , 40 give aways -  10.35  average time on ice ,-  211 games 

[Dango]

23 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

Little known fact...Vinnie Letteiri is Lou Nanne's grandson. 

Not many people know that.

Tino Letteiri was the MN Kicks goalie and he would sell GYROS etc at the Eagan 4rth of July celebration back in the day  had a few of those . 

[mnfaninnc]

3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Yurov's season begins September 3rd in the KHL, so just a few weeks away. 

In closer to home news, are we having another kids showcase in September?

[Sam]

6 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

The Wild have just as many problems keeping goals away as they are scoring them, if not moreso.  I'm curious to see what happens.  It was interesting what happened when the Vikings went from not being able to stop anyone to having a terrifying blitz heavy and competent defense from one year to the next.  The Wild can at least get to average hopefully.

As a lifelong (32 years) Vikings fan, please refrain from using analogies and comparing the Wild to them. They have been pretty disappointing to say the least…

[Sam]

Ugh, it’s not letting me edit on my iPad, I mean the Vikings have been disappointing.

[Citizen Strife]

All I meant by it was a couple years ago, the Vikings defense was like record breaking awful.  They got by thanks to scraping wins out of nowhere until getting Daniel Jones the contract of his life by sucking wind.  Flores comes in, and suddenly, it's not as bad.  I mean.  My analogy was you can't really get much worse than a PK that for some of the year was nearing the record worst percentage.

I'm not saying the Wild are going to suddenly go from 30th to 2nd or whatever.   But any improvement is very welcome.

[Sam]

That was supposed to be a light-hearted joke. I probably should’ve added a 😁

[Citizen Strife]

Gotta love the internet.  A place where tone of voice doesn't exist.

[BeanPole Harvester]

On 8/13/2024 at 2:53 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

23-24, Hartman had 72 penalty minutes on 28 penalties w/ 27 penalties drawn.

22-23, Hartman had 90 penalty minutes on 34 penalties w/ 29 penalties drawn.

Total over 5 seasons, 359 penalty minutes on 142 penalties w/ 124 drawn.

That's for 335 regular season games with the Wild. I'm guessing he has around eight 10-minute misconducts and a few 5 minute majors in there.

Last season was one of his least penalized seasons(2nd lowest pace) with the Wild, and it was his best season in Net Penalties(Taken vs. Drawn).

Last season was also his best faceoff(47.0%) season for the Wild since he started playing center regularly.

Had a little free time at work today and reading the comments made me curious...

Through the course of his career, which includes playoffs (627 total PIM), Hartman has;

10 minute misconduct- 120 minutes

Tripping- 94 minutes

Roughing- 78

Fighting- 75

Interference- 52

Slashing- 50

Hooking- 40

High Sticking- 26

Holding- 24

Cross Check- 20

Unsportsman Like- 10

Embellishment- 8

Delay of Game- 8

Boarding- 8

Holding Stick- 4

Charging- 4

Instigating- 4

In case you have not fallen asleep yet, as you might expect, the majority of all players penalties will come against divisional opponents with Dallas leading the way at 52 minutes.

Other teams outside the division that seem to get him angry are Edmonton at 47 min, Carolina at 34 min, New Jersey at 32 min, Vegas at 32 min, & San Jose at 31 min