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JRR Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Hynes is CLUELESS w his take on the Coasters and Injury laden Vets. The Fans need to prepare themselves for a rough season as the template has been set w Hynes experience w Team USA. The fact an American team under his watch did not Medal is a complete embarrassment. Hynes history of not playing young talent over scrubs will play out all year long. It’s a good bet Heidt will be sent back to WHL in favor of the dud Johansson, not to mention Ohgren will get screwed for Freddy. Lmao . Hynes will also dismantle the Wilds version of the Perfection Line Boldy Ek Kap. It’s gonna be a disaster you can bank on the MN MESS. This team needs the Denver Coach starting next year if they hope for any future success. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Nashville bought the farm one everything all at once. I can see them competing for the top spots. However, even in a depleted state most of the season, the Wild were able to handle the Coyotes, Blues, and Hawks most games last year. Those teams didn't dramatically alter their depth (at least not like Nashville did). It all matters what their defense and PK can do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) Besides, if it ends up being doom and gloom, they get another Buium or maybe better pick... Edited July 13 by Citizen Strife 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 22 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said: Besides, if it ends up being doom and gloom, they get another Buium or maybe better pick... quick fix Besides, if it ends up being doom and gloom, they get another over hyped prospect, loose kaprizov, and become irrelevant for another decade yeap 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllicitFive Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said: quick fix Besides, if it ends up being doom and gloom, they get another over hyped prospect, loose kaprizov, and become irrelevant for another decade yeap Well sounds like, according to you, if we don't give him the C and win a cup Kap is gone. We better trade him for everything we can get now instead of him walking off for nothing. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisopher Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Agreed that the Wild will have a big task making the playoffs from the Central. I can't find a link, but there's a 24-25 standings prediction that actually has the Wild at 100+ points and second behind Dallas in the division. Not sure what that was based on, but it seems way too optimistic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Being completely fair, this team isn't going to be anything. At best they squeak in the playoffs and get bounced in the 1st round. Start playing the youth, let some of these vets sit in the box. They need to show kap they can compete and the reality is they need to figure out which prospects are legit and which are hype. With all the money handed out for bottom 6 guys and low level d men, deals for the young guys showing they will make it the wild will not have this crazy amount of cap space alot seem to think they will. Hopefully some of these prospects end up as studs and the wild can figure out a way to trade a few of the high priced bottom 6 vets. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 31 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said: quick fix Besides, if it ends up being doom and gloom, they get another over hyped prospect, loose kaprizov, and become irrelevant for another decade yeap Works for you on NHL2K? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 The wild an others keep moving the goal posts. Billy came on an it was competitive rebuild and come out of buyouts strong and ready to go. Now the pr minions are asking for another 3-4 years to be Stanley cup competitive. Ridiculous. 10 years of a non competitive Billy’s friends all get jobs team . A prospect pool of middle of road prospects. No money or flexibility after buyouts . A jacked up front office an coaching staff . Yet all they need is a few more years . The wild aren’t going anywhere if the gm is stagnant. His only idea is to keep doing the same . Billy is out there telling everyone they are going back to the old lines of washed up vets that never worked and never will . Brilliant hockey mind. This 10 yr competitive rebuild is an absolute joke. Vegas wins cup in 5. Other teams take a few years to reset. Yet we just keep signing crap that doesn’t work and selling the fans Fred and Jo Jo. . The wild were an absolute embarrassment last year an will be this year. Little spoiled babies getting bullied. Kappy won’t stick around to be bullied an embarrassed with Billy’s misfits . 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will D. Ness Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I might have an outlier position but I think we are going to be competitive. We might have the best line in hockey next year and our defense will be massively improved if everyone is healthy and close to form. Secondary scoring is TBD. Special teams is TBD. Goaltending is TBD. I think we are going to be in games and these TBD's are the deciding factor. Young guys are going to improve and play with more confidence. Depth guys are going to be better. Coaching should be implemented better and outside of Zucc and Fleury, we don't have any aging talent in decline. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaddeo Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I understand Hynes maybe wanting to diversify the lineup, but please do not play Hartman as 1C. Id like to see a full season of Kk-Ek-Bolds and hope that the secondary scoring is better than last year (it should be). I think if the D is healthy, it will be fine. I think the goaltending can’t be as bad as it was last year. Big question is the depth scoring. But I’d force the competition by injecting some youth and hope they figure it out and let your big guns play together. They were so dominant! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy the poor boy Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) I'll just say this. I don't think they'll make the playoffs, partly because of the improvement of the other teams in the central, but mostly it will be coaching. How many times last year did the wolves 'need' a win only to not show up at all and get their asses kicked. To me that's coaching. They got rid of player and fan favorite Darby and bring in the new guy Caupano, who I've heard nothing good about accept from Guerin and Hynes. Likely another bad move. Edited July 13 by Willy the poor boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, IllicitFive said: Well sounds like, according to you, if we don't give him the C and win a cup Kap is gone. We better trade him for everything we can get now instead of him walking off for nothing. good one. i did say he should be a captain (but obviously for you that is not logical, ok) and never said that it's a must that we win SC this year. And if he walks, you genius want NOTHING for him? got it. is it you Billy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, bisopher said: Agreed that the Wild will have a big task making the playoffs from the Central. I can't find a link, but there's a 24-25 standings prediction that actually has the Wild at 100+ points and second behind Dallas in the division. Not sure what that was based on, but it seems way too optimistic. wild are guaranteed bottom 3 place in their division, perhaps as i pointed out before - they will battle for last place. anyone who is predicting 100+ season is a moron. we are bringing the same goal tending tandem this year. the same horrible pair of goal tenders that yielded below 900 saving percentage. and given that we only have 1.5 lines that can play offense, our goalies will be tested often, so yeah..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said: I might have an outlier position but I think we are going to be competitive. We might have the best line in hockey next year and our defense will be massively improved if everyone is healthy and close to form. Secondary scoring is TBD. Special teams is TBD. Goaltending is TBD. I think we are going to be in games and these TBD's are the deciding factor. Young guys are going to improve and play with more confidence. Depth guys are going to be better. Coaching should be implemented better and outside of Zucc and Fleury, we don't have any aging talent in decline. wow there is a lot of optimism with this take 🙂 i just don't see our secondary scoring being anything but a negative, which will allow the opponent to keep targeting our first line. this may lead to a down year for Kap and Ek dipping below 30 goals. Goaltending was monstrous last year so i can't agree with a TBD grade, and lean to grade it as RED/ALERT/Ship-is-sinking grade. Young guys are always improving, but i don't foresee an improvement that will be drastic enough to matter. Our aging talent is there beyond Zucc and Fleury. It's Harty (he may not be old, but the way he plays may catch up to him, MJ is still on the team, Freddy has always looks old, Brodin has been injured and is getting a bit older, Spurge is old and coming back from injury, Foligno is both old and breaking, Midds - hahahah he is just bad period so you can put him in that "old/aging" category. I mean that is not a pretty group! sorry but just a bit pessimism to level out the happy thoughts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllicitFive Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 33 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said: good one. i did say he should be a captain (but obviously for you that is not logical, ok) and never said that it's a must that we win SC this year. And if he walks, you genius want NOTHING for him? got it. is it you Billy? I'd recommend putting the bottle down and trying to read what I typed and then typing out a coherent response. You have said the C would be a big step into keeping him (He probably won't be given the C, not the way it works). Also if he walks, that would be FA, you do understand that if a player leaves in FA you don't get anything back right? You keep saying he's going to leave, (which implys his choicextherefore end of contract, therefore the wild get nothing in return.) So, genius, you are implying that since he will walk (where'd we get nothing due to the above), I am asking you, should we just trade him so we get something? Between you and Dean I'm thinking the wild will shutter the doors and you won't have to worry about it. With all the anger, doom, and gloom, why not bandwagon a team like the avs, or the knights. I mean my goodness, I am yet to read 1 thing you actually like about this team and organization. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 20 minutes ago, IllicitFive said: I'd recommend putting the bottle down and trying to read what I typed and then typing out a coherent response. You have said the C would be a big step into keeping him (He probably won't be given the C, not the way it works). Also if he walks, that would be FA, you do understand that if a player leaves in FA you don't get anything back right? You keep saying he's going to leave, (which implys his choicextherefore end of contract, therefore the wild get nothing in return.) So, genius, you are implying that since he will walk (where'd we get nothing due to the above), I am asking you, should we just trade him so we get something? Between you and Dean I'm thinking the wild will shutter the doors and you won't have to worry about it. With all the anger, doom, and gloom, why not bandwagon a team like the avs, or the knights. I mean my goodness, I am yet to read 1 thing you actually like about this team and organization. argh fine, here we go let me help you with your coherency issues, but bottle stays! Well sounds like, according to you, if we don't give him the C and win a cup Kap is gone. i did say he should be a captain (but obviously for you that is not logical, ok) and never said that it's a must that we win SC this year. We better trade him for everything we can get now instead of him walking off for nothing. And if he walks, you genius want NOTHING for him? got it. is it you Billy? Does above help to understand or you need more help? maybe try picking up a bottle - it may help! Next up - You have said the C would be a big step into keeping him (He probably won't be given the C, not the way it works). how does it work genius? do tell? does he have to be "true" minnesotan or speak perfect english or what? i am curious! Also if he walks, that would be FA, you do understand that if a player leaves in FA you don't get anything back right? i do, but i don't think you and your pals do. So, genius, you are implying that since he will walk (where'd we get nothing due to the above), I am asking you, should we just trade him so we get something? we should have prioritized Kaprizov. gave him a C and boost the team this year and not wasted a year. trading him is the worse possible scenario, but after our Idiot GM did nothing, this becomes a very real possibility. Get in or still cloudy? I am yet to read 1 thing you actually like about this team and organization. apologies, let me fix that for you - Update on state of Wild Prospects - pipeline is bursting with young talent! Imagine if you team has Makar, Fox, Orr and Bourque! Well Wild fans no longer need to image because in Comes Buium, O'Rourke, Hunt and Lambos. There is also a can't miss goalie who is slated to become our number 1 by 2032 so that alone should put the league on notice. Be warned! What about our favorite Austrian? oh just wait - he put on 5 lbs and is now at 175 and is ready to rumble with the best of them! Expect great things from him, potentially surpassing his monstrous career year of wait for it - 40 pts Rejoice those that loved the commercials with your favorites like Midds, Freddy G, MJ, Harty, Foligno - they are all back and still on the team because we knew you loved them. Get ready for amazing time as your team battles for top spot in Western Conference and looks to make this the year of the Wild. 💩 There! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild4Ever Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, Will D. Ness said: I might have an outlier position but I think we are going to be competitive. We might have the best line in hockey next year and our defense will be massively improved if everyone is healthy and close to form. "Spurgeon missed 66 games last year due to injury, which was a trend more than a blip. The Wild captain has missed at least 17 games due to injury in four of the past five seasons. Foligno also missed at least 17 games in that same period. Jonas Brodin’s injury history is even more concerning, as the recently turned 31-year-old has missed at least 20 games in four of the last five seasons." Just another reason Big Jake's new contract makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protec Verified Member Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Yeah, durability with older guys is an issue. MN/Guerin went hard securing veteran depth while young guys develop and arrive. I did not see Trenin or Midds as depth signings for fragile underwhelming guys. They're both at a solid age and important roles. Fred and NoJo provide plenty to piss and moan about but it's one last season and only 2M worth of cap space. We just need to be patient and hope MN's players don't jack around this off-season thinking they're gonna be 2nd in the Central automatically. That's kinda how it looked like they played early last season and they got slapped back. I'm not gonna complain the next couple months. I'm optimistic MN's young guys will be hungry and poised to replace NoJo or Fred. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will D. Ness Verified Member Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: wow there is a lot of optimism with this take 🙂 i just don't see our secondary scoring being anything but a negative, which will allow the opponent to keep targeting our first line. this may lead to a down year for Kap and Ek dipping below 30 goals. Goaltending was monstrous last year so i can't agree with a TBD grade, and lean to grade it as RED/ALERT/Ship-is-sinking grade. Young guys are always improving, but i don't foresee an improvement that will be drastic enough to matter. Our aging talent is there beyond Zucc and Fleury. It's Harty (he may not be old, but the way he plays may catch up to him, MJ is still on the team, Freddy has always looks old, Brodin has been injured and is getting a bit older, Spurge is old and coming back from injury, Foligno is both old and breaking, Midds - hahahah he is just bad period so you can put him in that "old/aging" category. I mean that is not a pretty group! sorry but just a bit pessimism to level out the happy thoughts Maybe a little optimism but over the top. I don't think early 30's is old. Is Spurg over 35? If so then maybe add him to the geezer list. Gus is the X factor for sure though. If he plays like the first year, we in business... the second, we screwed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllicitFive Verified Member Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: argh fine, here we go let me help you with your coherency issues, but bottle stays! Well sounds like, according to you, if we don't give him the C and win a cup Kap is gone. i did say he should be a captain (but obviously for you that is not logical, ok) and never said that it's a must that we win SC this year. We better trade him for everything we can get now instead of him walking off for nothing. And if he walks, you genius want NOTHING for him? got it. is it you Billy? Does above help to understand or you need more help? maybe try picking up a bottle - it may help! Next up - You have said the C would be a big step into keeping him (He probably won't be given the C, not the way it works). how does it work genius? do tell? does he have to be "true" minnesotan or speak perfect english or what? i am curious! Also if he walks, that would be FA, you do understand that if a player leaves in FA you don't get anything back right? i do, but i don't think you and your pals do. So, genius, you are implying that since he will walk (where'd we get nothing due to the above), I am asking you, should we just trade him so we get something? we should have prioritized Kaprizov. gave him a C and boost the team this year and not wasted a year. trading him is the worse possible scenario, but after our Idiot GM did nothing, this becomes a very real possibility. Get in or still cloudy? I am yet to read 1 thing you actually like about this team and organization. apologies, let me fix that for you - Update on state of Wild Prospects - pipeline is bursting with young talent! Imagine if you team has Makar, Fox, Orr and Bourque! Well Wild fans no longer need to image because in Comes Buium, O'Rourke, Hunt and Lambos. There is also a can't miss goalie who is slated to become our number 1 by 2032 so that alone should put the league on notice. Be warned! What about our favorite Austrian? oh just wait - he put on 5 lbs and is now at 175 and is ready to rumble with the best of them! Expect great things from him, potentially surpassing his monstrous career year of wait for it - 40 pts Rejoice those that loved the commercials with your favorites like Midds, Freddy G, MJ, Harty, Foligno - they are all back and still on the team because we knew you loved them. Get ready for amazing time as your team battles for top spot in Western Conference and looks to make this the year of the Wild. 💩 There! I am genuinely curious, are you actually just having trouble reading what is written and following logic or trying that hard to miss it? Yes if he walks away we get nothing. And by your standards of not giving the C, surrounding him with star talent (cap space is a thing my dude) he wont resign. I am ASKING, should we just just trade him then? Maybe a bottle will help me reach your level of not following a basic train of thought. What team has Makar, Orr, Fox and Borque? Your Nhl 24 team? You understand thats not real life right? Pretty sure Wall is slated to take the reigns next year, you know development is important, especially with goalies, but you are right, 8 years out..... Fav Austrian, the one who put up 20 goals and finished 6th in calder voting? Yeah, I think he might be ok to keep. But sounds like you wanna get rid of him, ok then. If freddy is 4th line at 2 mil, deal, hopefully he isn't playing hurt all year. MJ has one year left, wish he was gone myself. Midds as a 3rd pair guy who can move up, there are much worse options out there. Fligno, yes aging out, contract may be a problem, but again, if 4th line grinder, less minutes, could be ok. Here is you chance, I have asked you to lay it out before but you never have answers, just complaints. What should they do with the roster? Who to keep? Who to trade and who to get in return? Also, ok, fire Billy, who do YOU want to hire? Please go back to beginning of offseason, any options available you can pick from. Since you seem to know so much more than "me and my pals" please take the chance and flex that big brain of yours and educate us. I am looking forward to reading about the GM and players you would have gotten and how you would have gotten them all, while being under the cap and having a full team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, Will D. Ness said: Maybe a little optimism but over the top. I don't think early 30's is old. Is Spurg over 35? If so then maybe add him to the geezer list. Gus is the X factor for sure though. If he plays like the first year, we in business... the second, we screwed. jared is 34 i believe so he is getting up there, add to that uncertainty that comes with big injury and other aging benefits - that means he is likely a geezer now Gus.....not sure not sure. i wouldn't bet on him any more than i would bet on MAF and that is our core tandem. That is wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, IllicitFive said: I am genuinely curious, are you actually just having trouble reading what is written and following logic or trying that hard to miss it? Yes if he walks away we get nothing. And by your standards of not giving the C, surrounding him with star talent (cap space is a thing my dude) he wont resign. I am ASKING, should we just just trade him then? Maybe a bottle will help me reach your level of not following a basic train of thought. What team has Makar, Orr, Fox and Borque? Your Nhl 24 team? You understand thats not real life right? Pretty sure Wall is slated to take the reigns next year, you know development is important, especially with goalies, but you are right, 8 years out..... Fav Austrian, the one who put up 20 goals and finished 6th in calder voting? Yeah, I think he might be ok to keep. But sounds like you wanna get rid of him, ok then. If freddy is 4th line at 2 mil, deal, hopefully he isn't playing hurt all year. MJ has one year left, wish he was gone myself. Midds as a 3rd pair guy who can move up, there are much worse options out there. Fligno, yes aging out, contract may be a problem, but again, if 4th line grinder, less minutes, could be ok. Here is you chance, I have asked you to lay it out before but you never have answers, just complaints. What should they do with the roster? Who to keep? Who to trade and who to get in return? Also, ok, fire Billy, who do YOU want to hire? Please go back to beginning of offseason, any options available you can pick from. Since you seem to know so much more than "me and my pals" please take the chance and flex that big brain of yours and educate us. I am looking forward to reading about the GM and players you would have gotten and how you would have gotten them all, while being under the cap and having a full team. argh i understand that he walks and we get nothing! that was sarcasm my friend. i been saying given the state of things - he will surely walk and we will start thinking about shipping him out starting this very year (to save us from same Gabby situation), but this is worse! much worse! this is a guy that we could have prioritized, optimize his skill, give him help and showed him that we matter NOW. let me tell you he will not waste his prime years being patient in MN or to be the next mentor for the young underachievers. Kaprizov is a TOP 5 player and will have a chance soon to dictate where he plays. teams would drool over him. what do we do to help our cause? did we give him a C? did we trade for a proven player that would help him NOW? did we show him that we matter? after failing to make the playoffs, we are in the even deeper shit hole. But you think that is fine per course? This is NOT how you manage situation surrounding a player with that much importance to your franchise. to follow same blueprint as one does with expansion team or rebuilding team is not what needed. instead we continue with same path, and pile up middle picks that may or may not be good. notice - GOOD not GREAT. none of them are great. so while you applaude the GM and the scout for picking the next GOOD defender or the next GOOD 2nd pair winger, i'll be a little less incline to do that - because this is done at the expense of Kaprizov. That is the bottom line. We cannot predict what he will do, but to put yourself in the worse situation and not do a single F#cking thing to address the most important priority is insane. Billy and the entire group of his moronic goons should have been fired by now, but same old same old. Let's wait and see - grit buy in OUR guys. F#ck man - i don't care whose guys they are, i just care to see winners. fine for your Qs - What team has Makar, Orr, Fox and Borque? Your Nhl 24 team? That was sarcasm again. I will refrain from doing that again. But its been a theme that people have been over hyping our prospects for some time now, so let's pump the breaks a bit. Maybe until they play a little? Let's not compare any of our D prospects to proven future hall of famers. So yes Fire Billy. Hire ME. I am brilliant. 🍻 Edited July 14 by OldDutchChip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonameprovided Verified Member Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Wow! A negative article from hockey wilderness? So unexpected! #clownshow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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