Article: How Much Would Winning the Draft Lottery Change the Wild's Outlook?

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I like Trenin instead of any wings the Wild have on L3/L4 and Roy on defense if we're talking more second tier UFAs. I think two of these guys would be better than one higher end guy but if it was Guentzal who scores in the playoffs and the Wild could get him, that'd be fine. 5-6M isn't much to work with if they can't trade some guys or get NoJo to quit hockey.

[Mateo3xm]

On 5/8/2024 at 2:04 PM, OldDutchChip said:

Kaprizov should get Captaincy. It should have happened already. Which tells me it won't. And even if Spurge is traded, his C will go to Ek. whyyyyyy??? Welll because GM will say he deserves it, he is the heart and soul of the team. Well Ek is also on a contract with the team and will likely stay as long as we want him here. He leads fine with an A on his jersey. So be smart - give this role to Kap. This bind him to this team, make a connection that will mean something to him when the following year rolls around. He is not just a side character, but a main actor.....Side tracking here, back to your comment - 

Re your point about him being a GM/Owner - look the GM needs to optimize his team around an identity. We are blessed with an amazingly talented player that the franchise NEVER had. It makes sense from both success and business stand point. 

Granted the franchise will still be here and people will still watch, it is just a sad time that awaits us then. 🍻

Giving Kap the C and making him one of the top paid players in the league isn’t a sure thing to keep him here. Some player value legacy and winning above all else. These players aren’t afraid to take a pay cut to get there. Kap strikes me as someone who wants to win and doesn’t care about materialistic things like money, the C or being the best player a franchise has ever had. If you overpay your star players you’re never going to win a cup. 

[Mateo3xm]

On 5/8/2024 at 3:19 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

There are about zero reasons to believe Kaprizov is heading out the door, other than those conjured up by anxious fans.

Those are famous last words. You or I have no idea what’s in his mind and a smart player wouldn’t let on one way or another.

[OldDutchChip]

12 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Giving Kap the C and making him one of the top paid players in the league isn’t a sure thing to keep him here. Some player value legacy and winning above all else. These players aren’t afraid to take a pay cut to get there. Kap strikes me as someone who wants to win and doesn’t care about materialistic things like money, the C or being the best player a franchise has ever had. If you overpay your star players you’re never going to win a cup. 

let's not give him a C then and test out that theory! 🍻

[Mateo3xm]

12 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Guentzal on a cheap homecoming deal

This is hilarious! Ya I’m sure he’s going to want to come here on a cheap deal… where are we going to get the money for these players? Bill signed a bunch of our aging players with NMC OR NTC. Who is going to want to take our crap to get players like that? Your whole comment is pretty implausible especially for next year.

[Mateo3xm]

7 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

let's not give him a C then and test out that theory! 🍻

I simply don’t understand why you’re so hung up on this C. It’s the craziest tunnel vision I’ve ever seen. His aspersions may not be the same as what you think others are. Some players dont give a shit about the C and just want to play hard, do well and be apart of a winning team while being a wall flower. That’s exactly the type of person KK seems like. Did it ever occur to you that it doesn’t suit his personality? He’s a very very quiet and soft spoken person.

maybe he already was offered it and said no thanks. It’s like you can’t comprehend that. If he doesn’t want to stay here and wants to go somewhere to win, money and a goofy “C” doesn’t mean anything. Funny that you think this C is a make or break thing.

[OldDutchChip]

14 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

I simply don’t understand why you’re so hung up on this C. It’s the craziest tunnel vision I’ve ever seen. His aspersions may not be the same as what you think others are. Some players dont give a shit about the C and just want to play hard, do well and be apart of a winning team while being a wall flower. That’s exactly the type of person KK seems like. Did it ever occur to you that it doesn’t suit his personality? He’s a very very quiet and soft spoken person.

maybe he already was offered it and said no thanks. It’s like you can’t comprehend that. If he doesn’t want to stay here and wants to go somewhere to win, money and a goofy “C” doesn’t mean anything. Funny that you think this C is a make or break thing.

because you have things you CAN control and CANNOT control. this is an easy thing to do and it may help you with him getting a bigger role on the team and community. going from A to C is a big deal. that trust and responsibility for entire franchise. i think its foolish to not do. this of course won't replace the team's vision, performance and monetary aspect but it won't hurt. 

[Will D. Ness]

47 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Those are famous last words. You or I have no idea what’s in his mind and a smart player wouldn’t let on one way or another.

Exactly the reason why this whole notion of him leaving is fluff.  It's all just MN PTSD.

[mnfaninnc]

13 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Necas of the hurricanes, Guentzal on a cheap homecoming deal, Perron, for Dmen J Chykrun and another right big handed Dman. Any remaining money get another good forward like duclair or buchnevich.

This is quite a want list. Are you suggesting this for '24 or '25? I think fitting all of this under the cap may take a magician's hand that can make cap disappear!

[mnfaninnc]

53 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Some players dont give a shit about the C and just want to play hard, do well and be apart of a winning team while being a wall flower. That’s exactly the type of person KK seems like. Did it ever occur to you that it doesn’t suit his personality? He’s a very very quiet and soft spoken person.

Well, he was very proud of his A. He felt honored to get it and took it very seriously. I'm not sure what his voice is like in the room, but he certainly backs up leadership with his play.

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

This is hilarious! Ya I’m sure he’s going to want to come here on a cheap deal… where are we going to get the money for these players? Bill signed a bunch of our aging players with NMC OR NTC. Who is going to want to take our crap to get players like that? Your whole comment is pretty implausible especially for next year.

If you trade all the players listed above we will have $22.5 million in cap space.  Plenty to get 4-5 new guys.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

18 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

This is quite a want list. Are you suggesting this for '24 or '25? I think fitting all of this under the cap may take a magician's hand that can make cap disappear!

It can be done this year.  Trade Rossi, Spurgeon, Gus, Freddie, Mojo plus our 6 million current space we will have over $22 Million to play with to sign 4-5 guys. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

Those are famous last words. You or I have no idea what’s in his mind and a smart player wouldn’t let on one way or another.

Well, if he hasn't signed an extension prior to 25-26, I could understand some trepidation, but I suspect that the moves done prior to that season will include a Kaprizov extension. If not, maybe they'll need to trade him, but that's over a year away and anything before that is pure speculation(based upon individual skepticism or optimism) as we don't have real basis for any specific opinions.

If the Wild miss the playoffs again in 24-25, I could see the skepticism increasing. I'd personally feel a little better if they had let Fleury go and used some of his cap space on improving the future of the team rather than extending his playing career, particularly considering how poorly his stats looked on special teams.

[mnfaninnc]

2 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

It can be done this year.  Trade Rossi, Spurgeon, Gus, Freddie, Mojo plus our 6 million current space we will have over $22 Million to play with to sign 4-5 guys. 

Why trade Rossi this season, he's still on his ELC? It doesn't get much cheaper than that....unless you need him to acquire Necas.

[mnhockeyfan03]

10 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Why trade Rossi this season, he's still on his ELC? It doesn't get much cheaper than that....unless you need him to acquire Necas.

Rossi’s value will never be higher and we need a different type of player for the West conference.  He will need to be traded to get a guy like Necas.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

54 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi’s value will never be higher and we need a different type of player for the West conference.  He will need to be traded to get a guy like Necas.

Never be higher? In his first full season? With his metrics?

I really hope you are trolling here. If he can run a 57% corsi playing with Mojo and Freddy most the year I think we are sitting on his floor, not even close to his ceiling. He was tied for second most 5 v 5 goals and was one of the best defensive 5V5 guys on the team but you want to sell low before we even see what we have? Is this Guerin's burner?

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

Never be higher? In his first full season? With his metrics?

I really hope you are trolling here. If he can run a 57% corsi playing with Mojo and Freddy most the year I think we are sitting on his floor, not even close to his ceiling. He was tied for second most 5 v 5 goals and was one of the best defensive 5V5 guys on the team but you want to sell low before we even see what we have? Is this Guerin's burner?

We need a different type of player.  Teams will see value in the cost of his contract and upside based on the year he had last year.  So yes it will never be higher.  We need a big bodied fast player and sorry Rossi while a great player just isn’t that.  You have to give up something good to get something good.  If we could pair Rossi and a prospect for Necas from the hurricanes then you do it. Don’t get attached to wild players like so many do.  It’s a business and the goal is to win the Cup.  

[Dango]

Red alert  ,  Billy Guerin  GM  team usa  , Brady Tkachuck named team captain .    Is there something there between the lines

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Let's hope so!

Spurgeon plus some extras. Maybe Gus going back? 😁

[Tony Abbott]

6 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi’s value will never be higher and we need a different type of player for the West conference.  He will need to be traded to get a guy like Necas.

Martin Necas, who didn't score 20 goals until he was 24.

Martin Necas, who only scored three more goals than Rossi this year, at age-25.

Martin Necas, who has nine goals in 56 career playoff games.

Yeah, that's the White Whale the Wild need to be chasing.

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19 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Martin Necas, who didn't score 20 goals until he was 24.

Martin Necas, who only scored three more goals than Rossi this year, at age-25.

Martin Necas, who has nine goals in 56 career playoff games.

Yeah, that's the White Whale the Wild need to be chasing.

True, there's a lot of UFA options that wouldn't require anything going out to acquire. I don't think you hyper-focus on mid-tier guys who haven't really proven anything super-noteworthy. Being that's the case, there's lots of similar players at a varied AAVs. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

2 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

Martin Necas, who didn't score 20 goals until he was 24.

Martin Necas, who only scored three more goals than Rossi this year, at age-25.

Martin Necas, who has nine goals in 56 career playoff games.

Yeah, that's the White Whale the Wild need to be chasing.

Just watch the playoff games.  Necas does much more than Rossi does bud and makes his team and linemates better.  Rossi is not going to get us anywhere that’s why you will see he will for sure be moved this summer.

[Tony Abbott]

2 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Just watch the playoff games.  Necas does much more than Rossi does bud and makes his team and linemates better.  Rossi is not going to get us anywhere that’s why you will see he will for sure be moved this summer.

If you watched all his playoff games you'd see all nine goals and 27 points he's had in 56 games. 

[Tony Abbott]

2 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Necas does much more than Rossi does bud and makes his team and linemates better.

43.5% of the expected goals share at 5-on-5, but yeah, he's making everyone better. 

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A Euro for Euro trade isn't ideal.. 

If you're gonna trade Rossi or Spurgeon, it should be to improve the defense for less money via free agency.

Then you have room to add bigger, stronger guys like Chandler Stephenson or Nakita Zadorov. Will Lambos or Hunt become Evan Bouchard or Carson Soucy? Probably not so you can't wait forever. The end of this last season should have been the cutoff for upcoming player's evaluation. Now you got at least two NHL capable goalies amd some available money.(Not like 1M to get Khaira.) The Wild have assets too. 

The worst things at the moment is the dead-weight,(NoJo) recent season,(playoff miss) and bitter response to trading assets.(Rossi, Knudi, Spurge, Gus, etc. but especially Rossi.)

You might find that for a team to take Spurgeon's salary, you have to give up something too. Ideally, whoever MN doesn't trade this Summer could be a deadline piece to recapture a future 1st. For example, if MN keeps Gus this Summer and he has a good season and so does Wallstedt, Gus at the deadline could get you a late 1st. If the Wild trade their 2025 1st with Spurgeon they'd be way better off cause the plan is for Wally and no Spurgeon long-term anyway. 

It might look bad right now in some ways, but let's see where it's at in November. If the world doesn't descend into even worse social decay and hockey is going, then we'll be able to see if Guerin's moves and belief in NoJo's bounceback is any good.