Article: The Wild Should Target David Jiricek In A Marco Rossi Trade

[Kalisha Turnipseed]

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[viper3119]

NO! The wild have been hurting for centers for how long and we finally got one with upside still to be unlocked and your going to trade him!?!?!? Just stop already.

[Up North Guy]

35 minutes ago, viper3119 said:

NO! The wild have been hurting for centers for how long and we finally got one with upside still to be unlocked and your going to trade him!?!?!? Just stop already.

The word out is that the Wild want to move Rossi. I don't like it but if they decide to do that, perhaps a move like this would be a good one.

[Mateo3xm]

Why would we trade Rossi? We need centers more than anything. Yurov has played C and I hope he plays C at the big club but I wouldn’t say it’s guaranteed. 
I get this team needs to get bigger but Rossi is probably the one smaller player I’d keep. 
Rossi put up better numbers than Heidt in his draft year and has always been defensively responsible. You can’t say that about R. Heidt. “we must stop getting attached to prospects if we can upgrade from them. ” How do you even know if it’s an upgrade? Everything you said about Jiricek is pure speculation. I think Jiricek has that type of potential but I don’t think they’re actually going to trade him after that small of a sample size. 
trading a Center that scored 20 plus goals his rookie season sounds ridiculous to me.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

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Jiricek could easily produce 15+ goals on the power play. 

Given that Jiricek has not scored 8+ goals in a season since youth hockey(not once in seasons played at 16 years old or higher), and that you indicated he would be playing 2nd unit power play, 15+ goals seems a tad optimistic.

Kaprizov is the only Wild player to reach 15 PP goals this season. The chances of a Wild defender getting to 10 PP goals in 1 season is fairly slim. Dumba never exceeded 6 PP goals in a single season.

[mnfaninnc]

Welcome aboard. I suggested this during the first talks of Rossi possibly being traded. Count me in on this one.

Kalisha's logic is sound and Jiricek adds something to this team that we do not have: A sizeable offensive RHS defender. I would stick him on the PP in Ovechkin's office. That would mean that Zuccarello will need to be reassigned. I'd put Chisholm on PP1, Faber on PP2 with Zuccarello on the other point. 

Now, Guerin doesn't seem to have any creativity when it comes to trades. Could he package Spurgeon with Rossi and get back maybe and Ivan Provorov? (I looked for a forward to help us, maybe a Kent Johnson who is on IR) Perhaps I'm pushing the envelope. My original thought was Jack Roslovic but it appears he got traded at the deadline. I'm not sure how CBJ feels about Provorov?

[Pewterschmidt]

Trade a #9 overall pick who's scored 21 goals, has good attitude, is cheap and plays center

FOR

A disgruntled AHL defensemen who cannot crack the vaunted CBJ lineup after we spent a ton of draft capital on d-men last three years. 

If this happens I'll buy a Nojo jersey and then punch myself in the face until my arm is too tired to punch anymore.  Good grief let's change the "Wild want to trade Rossi record".

[Citizen Strife]

I would rather draft size than trade Rossi for it.

[Pewterschmidt]

4 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

I would rather draft size than trade Rossi for it.

Agreed, and we've got a bunch of big bodied pylons in the pipeline (Ohgren, Rieger Lorenz, Rasmu, Stramel)

Edited April 12 by Pewterschmidt

[Pewterschmidt]

6 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Agreed, and we've got a bunch of big bodied pylons in the pipeline (Ohgren, Rieger Lorenz, Rasmu, Stramel)

If half of these guys become physical middle 6'rs the Wild becomes a much different team.  This also pushes Foligno to 4th line and becomes the designated fighter.  Fred moves to the Euro no-check men's spritzer league, and we eat his salary.  

[Pewterschmidt]

For those wild fans who do not like Anthony “The Panther” LaPanta’s game call imagine a season of Jon Bucicross (espn2) calling your favorite wild games. 

[Bigreed]

My son, who was three at the time, said “that’s not an Idea”. In other words it’s such a bad Idea that it doesn’t qualify as an Idea. I am guessing you haven’t watched the team for any length of time? For their entire existence they’ve been at a major deficit with centers. 23 years and essentially two very good centers with Koivu and Ek; and a couple years of Stall. That’s it. This particular trade could potentially be awful. You don’t trade a 21 goal scoring center that plays with AHL-level players for most of the season. You especially don’t trade for a guy that’s a “maybe”. Unless someone offers something ridiculous for Rossi, I wouldn’t even consider it. Rossi has potential for even better production as he’s young and nearly died. This reminds me of trading Burns. 

[Protec]

CBJ has a new GM and might be a team to partner with in a trade but Rossi has a lot of value despite his size. If Zuccarello is winding down, keeping Rossi will be okay if the team gets bigger, stronger, faster elsewhere. 

I have to agree Jiricek is a big gamble to trade a known value for. I would trade Rossi for Jenner to be a win now move but maybe the Wild also get a 2nd cause the age difference and tire-rubber remaining. It's hella-risky but the Wild shouldn't move Rossi, a 20-goal guy for less than a 20-goal guy. Never force trades the way Fenton did. Period. 

Guerin has issues to deal with and trading Rossi should be a calculated and purposeful deal if it were to happen. A big powerful 15-goal guy with guts or a top 4 defender, okay. A 20-year old big, not there yet defenseman seems like too big a gamble given what we've seen from Rossi to get to the next level. I like that Marco has pushed to become the player he was touted as coming out of junior. He's overcome a lot and won over many detractors, including me. What that shows is a player who has what the Wild need. Marco's grit to get going when the going was toughest as a kid is impressive. If he did get traded I'd expect him to become like a Zuccarello or St.Louis by his late 20's. That's not something you move out unless forced or certain it's gonna net a similar return offensively. 

This trade hypothetical is okay in video game simulation world. In reality, I think MN has to get a guy like Jenner or Johhny-Hockey which MN probably can't afford. CBJ is kinda lost and that could allow Guerin to benefit but I think the Wild need more productive middle-six guys who are hungry and tenacious. 

[walt]

Jesus christ.. just stop.. rossi is not going anywhere. Going to finish third in calder voting.. just stop

[FredJohnson]

Who's going to play center?

[Fezig]

Man am I tired of size. If a guy get's the job done - he get's the job done. Rossi is pulling his weight on this team and he's putting in more effort that 75% of the squad. 

 

[Protec]

4 minutes ago, Fezig said:

Man am I tired of size. If a guy get's the job done - he get's the job done. Rossi is pulling his weight on this team and he's putting in more effort that 75% of the squad. 

That's true and reiterates the misallocation of ice time. The Wild would be no worse giving that TOI to an upcoming player. I actually believe the imbalance of effort and engagement due to NoJo's blowbagging has a trickle-down effect. The PP2 and L2 are carrying the guy. I.e. going at maybe 70% full effectiveness. 

Did I make it clear yet, I hope NoJo gets the career ending diarrhea affliction that never got Suter. (Even though I wanted it so badly to take him out.) 

[NC Beach Bum]

Why this obsession with trading Rossi, I really don't get it. He's finally got healthy, scored 20 in his rookie year and all we hear is we should trade him, this is stupid.

[Protec]

15 minutes ago, NC Beach Bum said:

Why this obsession with trading Rossi, I really don't get it. He's finally got healthy, scored 20 in his rookie year and all we hear is we should trade him, this is stupid.

It's a matter of giving something to get something. If the Wild could add heaviness and speed to better balance the team and match-ups against much larger heavier teams, then they should. That's the purpose.

Now, if the return is a 3rd-line guy like the Wild have already in spades. You just don't make a trade.

The Wild have a lot of work to do this off-season. Guerin needs to be creative and if Rossi was traded, it needs to make the Wild better. 

Rossi plus a prospect or pick might be able to get a solid veteran guy or perhaps a young player like Josh Doan or Cole Sillinger could be acquired straight up. Maybe, but I doubt those teams would part with their guy cause those players look like they got it all. Rossi has a lot of skill but will always be 5'9" and not super explosive or zippy with straight-line speed. 

An analogy might be the Corvette and the pickup truck. Both are good and have their purpose. Do the Wild see their needs as being more utility or more finesse. Rossi having the appearance of a PMB or Granlund is the issue because they both had issues that held them back from becoming great in the NHL even though they had tons of skill and potential. No risk, no reward type thing. MN or ARI are probably closer to winning or their "window" than CBJ so it's plausible Columbus would make a deal with their new GM.

[Patrick]

What a terrible take! Trade a rookie of the year candidate at the most important position for a scrub that can't even crack one of the worst rosters in the NHL?  On top of that, throw in a bunch of fanboy fantasy projections that would make a sixth grade child cringe.  How does this tripe get published?

[Patrick]

32 minutes ago, Protec said:

It's a matter of giving something to get something. If the Wild could add heaviness and speed to better balance the team and match-ups against much larger heavier teams, then they should. That's the purpose.

Now, if the return is a 3rd-line guy like the Wild have already in spades. You just don't make a trade.

The Wild have a lot of work to do this off-season. Guerin needs to be creative and if Rossi was traded, it needs to make the Wild better. 

Rossi plus a prospect or pick might be able to get a solid veteran guy or perhaps a young player like Josh Doan or Cole Sillinger could be acquired straight up. Maybe, but I doubt those teams would part with their guy cause those players look like they got it all. Rossi has a lot of skill but will always be 5'9" and not super explosive or zippy with straight-line speed. 

An analogy might be the Corvette and the pickup truck. Both are good and have their purpose. Do the Wild see their needs as being more utility or more finesse. Rossi having the appearance of a PMB or Granlund is the issue because they both had issues that held them back from becoming great in the NHL even though they had tons of skill and potential. No risk, no reward type thing. MN or ARI are probably closer to winning or their "window" than CBJ so it's plausible Columbus would make a deal with their new GM.

Some fans can't get over the obsession with size. Its not supported with data on a team level. Sure some big teams have won the cup but so have some small teams. There have also been some huge teams that sucked. Building on size is a losing proposition. Build on production.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Fezig said:

Man am I tired of size. If a guy get's the job done - he get's the job done. Rossi is pulling his weight on this team and he's putting in more effort that 75% of the squad. 

I think you're right about size of a player, but when a team has too many small players, like the Wild do, you have to make changes. Is Rossi the right one to trade? I don't know, but he probably has the most value.

[Dango]

I wonder if its the style we play that dictates we need more size and if that needs to be adjusted ,  i notice Boldy tries to attack the net once in a while trying to switch things up from the ordinary which i like to see more of  from  a couple other players . 

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

Some fans can't get over the obsession with size. Its not supported with data on a team level. Sure some big teams have won the cup but so have some small teams. There have also been some huge teams that sucked. Building on size is a losing proposition. Build on production.

The problem isn't that Rossi is too small. IMO, he has done much to try and make himself bigger. He needs another offseason like he just had too. 

The problem is that the team is too small. It's imbalanced small. I'm not saying we go after every giant we find, but we do need to balance out our roster. 

The same thing can be said about RHS and LHS. Currently, our defenders are pretty balanced. However, our forwards are far too LHS biased. It allows for teams to defend by cheating a little on their angles putting us at a disadvantage. For example, St. Louis was this way for years, and the year they obtained balance with RHS shooters was the year they won the cup. I'm not saying we'll win a cup that way, but as you go through the playoffs, you play teams that are better. That small little angle adjustment can be a big factor in the 3rd and 4th round of the playoffs.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, NC Beach Bum said:

Why this obsession with trading Rossi, I really don't get it. He's finally got healthy, scored 20 in his rookie year and all we hear is we should trade him, this is stupid.

For me, this is not an obsession with trading Rossi, this was more about getting a larger RHS defender with tremendous offensive upside. His skating isn't as good, but you wouldn't expect that at 20 with a 6'4" player. 

What don't we have? A canon from the blue line with an RHS. In the course of a couple of years, we have gone from Faber being the heaviest RHS defender, to Faber being the lightest RHS defender. For years this was a problem with the position. He'd also be going from the tallest to the shortest. 

Almost all of our legitimate D prospects are LHS. They're also about 6'1" and 190ish lbs. That would suggest we have imbalance coming, and a need for these prospects to bulk up a bit.