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Will D. Ness Verified Member Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I would sum up the season like this: Injuries exposed our lack of depth, which in turn exposed lackluster goaltending. Cap hell limited signing FA last season and forced us to play a line from Iowa all season. Evason was too inflexible to coach a NHL team as well as to fire subordinates. Most of our talent is young, and it showed in the big games. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) Quote You can blame Minnesota’s cap situation... Ultimately, the front office built a team that prioritized size, physicality, and veteran experience. Therefore, they constructed a roster that wasn’t as good as the best teams in their division and the league. To believe anything else seems crazy. Not going to find a lot of teams contending for titles with over 25% of the cap(including Spurgeon) unavailable to them. The prior 2 seasons didn't have the worst cap penalties and the Wild were rather competitive with Spurgeon on the ice. This season, they lost Spurgeon and the cap hits jumped up a lot, so they couldn't fill in with quality veterans, instead using bargain vets like NoJo--one can imagine how swapping him with Nyquist(71 points so far) could have changed the season, and the pay difference is less than $1.2M. The Wild had a horrible start to the year, but probably are about as competitive as someone should reasonably expect when they have less than 75% of their cap available on the ice. Vegas was struggling for a little while with over $20M of their cap on LTIR, until they filled in those dollars with quality veterans via trade, and they're still only winning about half the time since the all-star break--the Wild didn't have the option to fill in that much. You could fit Jack Eichel and William Karlsson into the cap space the Wild aren't using right now. Would swapping those players from Vegas to the Wild for nothing make the Wild the better team? I'm guessing yes. The Wild will fill in with young talent when they're ready, but young talent tends to take a bit of time to have superior skill to the guys the Wild had going into the season. When the young talent passes Hartman and Foligno up, relegating them to 4th line duties, that could raise the level of contention for their roster. The 2025-2026 season is shaping up to be the beginning of a very competitive Minnesota Wild roster. Edited April 8 by Imyourhuckleberry 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Toast Verified Member Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Size keeps getting mentioned. The Wild aren’t actually a big team. I do believe they are looking to address that need because it’s a key component for playoff success. It’s gotta be skilled, fast and strong BIG players. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfaninnc Verified Member Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 When it comes to reasons, it's easy to say blame the cap penalties or blame the injuries. Excuses, excuses, excuses. But, the reality is that if we are to compete with the penalties, we have to stay healthy, especially with our most important players. That has happened the past 3 seasons, but just like in Russian Roulette, sometimes when you pull the trigger, the blast comes. This isn't an excuse, this is a reason. You can only have a little AHL depth to come up and play, but the drop off of those guys is pretty dramatic. And, Guerin had a 3rd issue, he spent to the cap ceiling leaving nothing open for our best young options, a mistake I hope he learns from. In the end, it simply was too much to overcome. When we caught Nashville and St. Louis, both teams were healthy, we were not. I imagine something similar happened in Winnipeg. We haven't gotten the bounces, we haven't gotten the injury luck, and our goalies have been below average behind a suspect defense. This happens. Why not enough help on D in the A? Well, we committed to the youth who were not ready. Why has Iowa been a dumpster fire? Well, we stole their best players with the big club. Over the past 3 seasons, Guerin has gambled with some guys who have really overperformed. And, they want to be here. He rewarded them for their efforts. They, in turn, have not given their best back this season, IMO. But I cannot agree with this: Quote Ultimately, the front office built a team that prioritized size, physicality, and veteran experience. Therefore, they constructed a roster that wasn’t as good as the best teams in their division and the league. To believe anything else seems crazy. Actually, I wish this were true. If it were, we'd be far more competitive against Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado. But, it isn't. What about the young guys? Well, we've got them developing all over the place. Last year's draft clearly isn't ready yet. We had 4 top prospects playing in Europe. 3 have come over now. Our kids in the A aren't ready for full-time NHL spots yet. Simply put, we may have wanted to get younger, but we really couldn't. Chisholm has been a good find. I have no explanation on why Hunt is not up here. Goligoski should have retired and Guerin should have told him before the season that it was time. Why Merrill is still up here is beyond me, and now that I'm picking on him, he'll score again next game. I get the Johansson disappointment and the Freddy disappointment. Freddy's main calling card has been the 3rd slot on the shootout. I think he's had 2 tries this season and we haven't gone into shootouts much this season. What really gets under my skin, though, is the lack of strength/weight training with the prospects. Had they paid attention to this, they'd have likely been here by now. We must do better in this category. In this division, specifically, it has to happen to compete. I have no idea what the prospects are looking at? Off topic, but it is now 2:55 where I'm at and the sun is a thumbnail right now. It looks pretty cool. We've got sunny skies here and the afternoon is definitely dimmed. I imagine that the light here is similar to how results lag in hockey. The sun is 80% blocked yet it is still fairly bright on the ground. Good luck to all you who are watching in your area! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) Depth is an issue obviously. However, the Wild's in a waiting game. I'm sorry that people like Duhaime, Dewar, Letteri, Lucchini, Addison, Merrill, and Goligoski are only going to do so much. Sorry they didn't see what everyone else seemed to see and just go, "Yeah. Let's just lose to make our whiny fanbase happy." The facts were simple: the best players the Wild have coming weren't available. Hartman and Zuccarello are still pretty good options until someone comes along and rips that spot from them. Foligno and Spurgeon's health might be too much of a red flag. Rossi did make immense strides, and should be rewarded. He's stayed in the Top 6 role for practically 6 months. Faber continues to be that #1D almost out of nowhere. The Wild got caught in a season of transition no mans land. A lot of the higher offensive skill guys are too young to be here, and the defense they drafted wasn't good enough to crack the lineup. Hynes and Guerin will find spots to put those people in, and it might even happen next season. All Guerin did was make a calculated risk. Just because he didn't give EVERY young player rope to sink or swim doesn't mean he's up shit creek. Who knows. Getting rid of Hartman, Zuccarello, etc. could make the team way fucking worse, because the ones who SHOULD be here weren't gifted spots or unavailable. No one really wants to admit that though. They just want to see what they want to see: ping pong ball fantasy solutions. This is a team in flux, this was a team that was always gonna be in flux, but overachieved. One bad season isn't going to wreck the waiting game. If 3-4 guys come in or rebound and provide 40, 50, 60, or even 70 pts, that transforms a mid team that missed contention to one with enough offensive punch to make it. Get some defensive structure, and then that makes it all the more obvious. This is a team that wanted to drip feed its youth and best players in, while a vocal majority wanted them to set a bomb and damn the consequences. Edited April 8 by Citizen Strife 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebou15 Verified Member Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 My issue is the lack options set forth by the GM. He could have waited to sign the three veterans this year and let it play out. He didn't. And in doing so limited his options to get better both in the long and short term. Now his money is locked up, and roster flexibility is more rigid. Are all prospects going to hit? No, but I've always felt that this season and next season is the season where the built-in excuse of the buyout penalties to play the kids and see what you have. Then make decisions based on the results. Hopefully once you're through to the other side, the money is available to build exactly how you want. It didn't happen, and it won't happen. And everyone was willing to give the team a pass knowing the limitations. So fuck around and find out. Maybe they hit on something. Maybe they don't. At least they'll know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dango Verified Member Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) Nashville basically moved out Granlund , Duchene, and Niederreiter for Oreilly and Nyquist and so far they put up more points with less salary cap and freed up another roster spot . I was wishing to get Oreilly and keep thoseNyquist but it couldnt have happened regardless of what anyone wanted . Edited April 9 by Dango trying to be more clearer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I'm actually impressed that the Wild did as well as they did without a 2nd line. Bad news: they still won't have one next year with the 15MM dead cap still in the way. Good news: a really good 2nd line can be had for 15MM once the dead cap goes away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Verified Member Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 If anything in this article were true the Wild wouldn't have made the playoffs last year...or the year before. Except they did. Not saying signing the vets was a good idea but injuries were the biggest factor this year by a large margin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 On 4/8/2024 at 8:04 PM, joebou15 said: He could have waited to sign the three veterans this year and let it play out. The only reason I can think of for doing it is to get them at a lesser rate. But why such a long contract for Freddie and Foligno? (Why at all for Nojo?) Hopefully they play the 4th line next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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