Article: How Productive Can A Healthy Marcus Foligno Be?

[Justin Hein]

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[vonlonster67]

Deeply disappointed, this is nuts for dollars and term. The answer to your question, maybe two years max.

Like BG says, show me, do '21-22 again for that coin !!

 

 

 

[Pewterschmidt]

Memo to all the IBGIT blind loyalty crowd - Does this contract make you trust BG more or less?

[Willy the poor boy]

How productive? Hopefully 4 mill plus for each of the next 4 years.

[mnfaninnc]

35 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Memo to all the IBGIT blind loyalty crowd - Does this contract make you trust BG more or less?

Wow, that's a lot of money for a guy who's aging. 4 x $4m going to age 36 + an NTC. Yikes!

I'm not in the IBGIT crowd, but I believe only 1 of those guys could be resigned so as not to block the young guys. However, Foligno, to me is the hardest in the organization to replace. We just don't have a guy who brings what he does, and Stramel is probably at least 4 years off to being able to do it. 

I think we will look back on today when it's all said and done and realize Shooter made a mistake resigning all these guys.

[M_Nels]

41 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Memo to all the IBGIT blind loyalty crowd - Does this contract make you trust BG more or less?

Wouldn’t say I was blindly loyal but I did have faith. After these last 2 signings it’s definitely less for me.

This deal is an absolute head scratcher in both term and money. Again, much like Zucc would’ve preferred a shorter deal 2yrs max. Love Moose but making this money he HAS to produce on the ice and not just be a good character guy. Gotta find a way to stay healthy too. Definitely think this plugs up a spot for a younger guy down the road in a year or 2. 

[mnfaninnc]

Now, back to the article. I believe a healthy Foligno will bounce back, especially defensively. Those core injuries can really affect performance, and I think he was fighting through it.

We do have an example of how the Foligno body works, brother Nick. Age 32 season, he started falling off a cliff. In Boston he looked old and slow. But, he measures 6' 208, a little shorter than Marcus. 

Father Mike was 6'2" 194 and he started falling off the age cliff at 30. For him, both injuries and production were the culprits, but, he was a scorer. 

Marcus is larger and has a frame that can take more pounding as well as dish it out. Will the injuries start to catch up with him? I am a believer in bloodlines, and was not happy with what I uncovered. I'm wondering if Shooter should have taken a quick peak at these stats too.

In fairness to Marcus, I believe he was more of a late bloomer. His impact doesn't start until he's 23-24 years old. He's in a real good situation right now. We shall soon find out if he can stay healthy. If his body starts to break down like the rest of his family, thank goodness he can get replaced with an ELC guy! 

This may be the year we start using LTIR regularly with injuries. Is Hartsy next to resign?

[vonlonster67]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Memo to all the IBGIT blind loyalty crowd - Does this contract make you trust BG more or less?

I'm not overly joyous on this, but one move does not move the meter for me one way or the other. He's accomplished more since 2017 than all of out GMs together

 So to answer your question.....non factor  " IBGIT"..If we held DE to this standard he'd be cooked already

 

[vonlonster67]

Guerin lauded Friday morning how quickly the Zuccarello deal came together. Late Friday afternoon, Guerin said Foligno’s was “even quicker.” 

I'd jump on a $4Mx4 too as it was obviously $2M/yr more than I deserved! 

[Willy the poor boy]

12 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

12 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

I'd jump on a $4Mx4 too as it was obviously $2M/yr more than I deserved! 

 

 

12 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

 

That's exactly why it 'came together' so quickly. It would be hard to imagine either Zucc or MF were expecting that kind of money would come so easily.

Now what happens to the guy (Hartzy) I thought they should be prioritizing this offseason. Does he get lowballed again? 

[vonlonster67]

26 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

 

That's exactly why it 'came together' so quickly. It would be hard to imagine either Zucc or MF were expecting that kind of money would come so easily.

Now what happens to the guy (Hartzy) I thought they should be prioritizing this offseason. Does he get lowballed again? 

$3M 3yrs is fair

[Dean]

What a joke to give a raise and term to a 32 yr old who made a fool of himself and the organization in the playoffs. He is a good player but not for 4 mil + 4yr . I like moose but that foolishness in his playoff performance lost my respect. They gave up and quit in the playoffs. Until the coach and players prove they have some fight in them for a cup , there shouldn’t be extensions for vets . See how they do this season 
    These signings and Freddy’s tell me this team is not going to win a playoff round for years. A perpetual rebuild for another 23 years . We don’t have a # 1 center. The one we drafted and were told by Judd was the most nhl ready player in draft. Still hasn’t made nhl but his classmates are and contributing . We have no money to go get a center because we have rewarded complacency and friendship over results . The coach can’t make adjustments or win a playoff round at any level. His only schtick is to have freddy do it. . We had the worst power play and we reward that coach with ahl head coach.  Our captain got manhandled in the playoffs and he’s on a long contract at 7 mil. So it’s just more of the same chuck fletcher kinda gm stuff . I bet Chicago wins a round before we do.. 

   I’ve been a fan from day one but I’m getting sick of the Minnesota wild country club for retiring good ole boys and gm friends . Get some real hockey players so we can see what kappy can really do! Quit grifting off kappy jerseys and get him some help. 

[vonlonster67]

5 minutes ago, Dean said:

What a joke to give a raise and term to a 32 yr old who made a fool of himself and the organization in the playoffs. He is a good player but not for 4 mil + 4yr . I like moose but that foolishness in his playoff performance lost my respect. They gave up and quit in the playoffs. Until the coach and players prove they have some fight in them for a cup , there shouldn’t be extensions for vets . See how they do this season 
    These signings and Freddy’s tell me this team is not going to win a playoff round for years. A perpetual rebuild for another 23 years . We don’t have a # 1 center. The one we drafted and were told by Judd was the most nhl ready player in draft. Still hasn’t made nhl but his classmates are and contributing . We have no money to go get a center because we have rewarded complacency and friendship over results . The coach can’t make adjustments or win a playoff round at any level. His only schtick is to have freddy do it. . We had the worst power play and we reward that coach with ahl head coach.  Our captain got manhandled in the playoffs and he’s on a long contract at 7 mil. So it’s just more of the same chuck fletcher kinda gm stuff . I bet Chicago wins a round before we do.. 

   I’ve been a fan from day one but I’m getting sick of the Minnesota wild country club for retiring good ole boys and gm friends . Get some real hockey players so we can see what kappy can really do! Quit grifting off kappy jerseys and get him some help. 

I recommend you sleep on it with us all.....it will all be better in the morning...

[Willy the poor boy]

11 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

$3M 3yrs is fair

Not really, not when your giving Foligno 4 years and 4 million. 

[Willy the poor boy]

13 minutes ago, Dean said:

I bet Chicago wins a round before we do.. 

   

Bedard's no joke, that guys gonna be elite for years.

[vonlonster67]

2 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Not really, not when your giving Foligno 4 years and 4 million. 

I joked $4M x 5 as he's 28 years old....who knows at this point

[vonlonster67]

Just now, Willy the poor boy said:

Bedard's no joke, that guys gonna be elite for years.

Dean needs to become a Hawks fan, he's sounds in dire straits.

I look at this way...I followed the Vikequeens for 50 years before I gave up NFL football  4 years ago so the Wild situation is a piece of cake on the hopes/failures/destroyed fanbase scale! 

[Willy the poor boy]

4 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

I joked $4M x 5 as he's 28 years old....who knows at this point

That's just it, does he get insulted and say screw you guys. I just don't think BG will make an offer like that to him and I can see him walking. The one guy he should have gotten signed out of all of them to date, IMO.

[Willy the poor boy]

3 minutes ago, vonlonster67 said:

Dean needs to become a Hawks fan, he's sounds in dire straits.

I look at this way...I followed the Vikequeens for 50 years before I gave up NFL football  4 years ago so the Wild situation is a piece of cake on the hopes/failures/destroyed fanbase scale! 

Ya, I'm not really to bent out of shape about the signings. I have to believe they know what they're doing, but I've been saying things like that for 3 years now and they just keep surprising me.

This is REALLY a football state first and foremost. The Vikings rule, but if you're going to call yourself 'The State of Hockey' get the frick on with it. Bring a cup to the state.

[vonlonster67]

1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

That's just it, does he get insulted and say screw you guys. I just don't think BG will make an offer like that to him and I can see him walking. The one guy he should have gotten signed out of all of them to date, IMO.

Willy,  we need to WRITE THIS DOWN.... You and I actually agree on something!

[dlhouse]

I've never been a BG fan. His standing with me took a nosedive when Fiala and Soucy weren't prioritized. I believed at the time he should have protected Soucy instead of Dumba during the expansion draft. Dumba's contract then inevitably forced our hand in trading Fiala. Most people disagreed with me and said Fiala's PPG season was a fluke.

Admittedly, that move may work out if Faber is capable of becoming a top pairing defenseman.

The moves to extend Zuccarello and Foligno, arguably our worst players from a cost efficiency standpoint, is ridiculous. They are also known playoff zeroes.

It's been clear to me this team is running on Guerin's emotions. He doesn't care about performance. He only cares about keeping players he likes.

That's why Fiala and Talbot had to go.

That's why we're stuck with Foligno, Zuccarello, Fleury, etc. now.

[vonlonster67]

4 minutes ago, dlhouse said:

I've never been a BG fan. His standing with me took a nosedive when Fiala and Soucy weren't prioritized. I believed at the time he should have protected Soucy instead of Dumba during the expansion draft. Dumba's contract then inevitably forced our hand in trading Fiala. Most people disagreed with me and said Fiala's PPG season was a fluke.

Admittedly, that move may work out if Faber is capable of becoming a top pairing defenseman.

The moves to extend Zuccarello and Foligno, arguably our worst players from a cost efficiency standpoint, is ridiculous. They are also known playoff zeroes.

It's been clear to me this team is running on Guerin's emotions. He doesn't care about performance. He only cares about keeping players he likes.

That's why Fiala and Talbot had to go.

That's why we're stuck with Foligno, Zuccarello, Fleury, etc. now.

Couldn't disagree more, all those veterans you mentioned were not going to get us a Cup. 

We have a hell of a lot to show in prospects from what we had in average vets, other than Fiala and I take Öhgren/Yurov/Faber/Haight/Heidt/Wallstedt/Gustavsson and a signed KK/Boldy and a house cleaning of never beens to get where we need to be!

If you think we could have done better with a cap hell for the next seven years, Good Luck!

Flower maybe, but Zucci makes the Maserati (KK) roar and Moose is overpaid, but I'd take him to cover my 6 any day. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

7 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

How productive? Hopefully 4 mill plus for each of the next 4 years.

I might have been comfortable at $3.75M for 3 years, totaling $11.25M. Definitely surprised by the 4th year, at an average of $4M. Could have been ok at $3M/year for 4 years, but likely going to feel overpaid at the end of this deal.

I suspect he'll have a really good season this year, but 3-4 years from now is a significant unknown for a player with his physical game.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

7 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

I believe a healthy Foligno will bounce back, especially defensively. Those core injuries can really affect performance, and I think he was fighting through it.

Guerin's rationale:

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“I know it’s probably coming, like, ‘He’s this old, it’s too many years, it’s too much money, it’s this and that.’ I get that,” Guerin said of the anticipated scrutiny. “But you know what? I like our team with Marcus Foligno way better than without him. And if we didn’t have him on our team, the first thing we’d be doing is trying to find a guy just like him. And there just aren’t many of those guys around. So I’m not really worried about the term because all those reasons.”

I don't think the bolded part can be argued against much, but I certainly understand the scrutiny of the term and $4M per year. It does sound like he's in excellent shape coming into this camp and hopefully Maroon will handle more of the fighting for Foligno so he can focus more effort on scoring.

I'm excited to see Rossi between Foligno and Gaudreau and hope those 3 can stay healthy, with each of them reaching 40+ points on the year.

[Been There Done That]

Simple. He can't. Hoping for anything else is pure folly. Dinosaurs like Foligno are a dime a dozen. Unless this is 1978...this isn't 1978 is it? Nah, I  didn't think so.