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  1. The Minnesota Wild are eliminated from the playoffs and playing out the string for the next four games while moving their focus to the future. After the Colorado Avalanche stomped out the last embers of the Wild's playoff hopes, The Athletic's Joe Smith asked coach John Hynes what was needed to make up the gap between them and the Central Division's playoff teams. Presumably, this is both head-to-head as well as in the standings. Hynes laid out the goals for next year. "Some size, some speed, some depth," he answered. "When you look at the top teams in the Central, they're big teams, they're fast teams, they're deep teams. And they play a heavy game." That sounds oddly like the kind of team Bill Guerin tried to build in Minnesota. "I think it's simple here: We're just not a pretty team," he told the media back in October 2022. "When we don't play hard, heavy, physical... we struggle. And when we are, we're good." Dean Evason, their former coach, preached the virtues of banging down low and getting hammered. Minnesota could play that way because they had the personnel to do it. Joel Eriksson Ek and Marcus Foligno formed the core of that identity, but they had plenty of help. Jordan Greenway, Nico Sturm, and Brandon Duhaime were all big-bodied forwards who skated well, and contributed to the banging and getting hammered in the bottom-six while Minnesota's stars shone. As the squeeze of the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter buyouts intensified, though, size was the first thing Guerin threw overboard to stay under budget. Minnesota traded Sturm to Colorado at the trade deadline in 2022, where he helped the Avs win a Stanley Cup. The next season, Guerin flipped Greenway to Buffalo for a second-round pick that became Riley Heidt. And once again, the Wild shipped size to Colorado in Duhaime at March's trade deadline. Eriksson Ek and Foligno are still around, yes, and Ryan Hartman and Kirill Kaprizov will mix it up despite not being the biggest players. But that identity of heavy hockey, molded by and in the image of former, old-school power forwards like Guerin and Evason? That's gone. It's gone, and more importantly, isn't coming back. The Wild don't have the cap space to add size on the trade or free agent market. Nor do they have a prospect pool that is equipped to replace players like Greenway and Sturm. Minnesota's top prospects -- Danila Yurov, Liam Öhgren, Heidt, and Marat Khusnutdinov -- all fall in between the 5-foot-11 to 6-foot-1 range. Big enough, but hardly the imposing team the Wild were two years ago. It's easy to be a fatalist about Minnesota's lack of size. Looking at the NHL's average height and weight by team shows the Vegas Golden Knights at the top of those, and Minnesota way down in last place. Vegas is a lot better than Minnesota, so size mattering checks out. Until you spend about 15 seconds looking a touch deeper. Look at that, the Cup-contending Avalanche are 28th in the NHL in average weight, just two pounds above the Wild. Their Central Division rivals, the playoff-bound Nashville Predators, who've eaten Minnesota's lunch for the past three years, are 24th. The going-nowhere New York Islanders and the cellar-dwelling Montreal Canadiens are the second and fourth-heaviest teams in the league. If Colorado and Nashville play heavy -- and they do -- it doesn't seem like size is the main component in doing so. That's good news for the Wild, but not if they go out and try to chase the size they lost. Not if they try to impose their old identity on this new club. What's Minnesota's identity now? Nominally, it's that hard-working, physical style, but again, they arguably don't have the personnel to embrace that anymore. More importantly, that hard-working/physical style shown by someone like Hartman reads differently to the referees. Minnesota's accrued the fourth-most penalty minutes in the NHL -- not bad for the smallest team in the league! -- and that's because players like Hartman have a reputation for reckless play. That turns heavy play into a liability pretty fast. So what's left? The Wild are going to have to reorient their team around offensive punch to succeed in the future. They have one of the most lethal top power play units in the NHL with Kaprizov, Eriksson Ek, Mats Zuccarello, Matt Boldy, and Brock Faber. That top line of Kaprizov, Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy is good enough to be an identity in itself, in the way that Brad Marchand, Patrice Bergeron, and David Pastrnak set the tone for the Boston Bruins for many seasons. Their incoming wave of prospects may not be the biggest or fastest crop of players, but they fit into the high-octane offensive mold of Minnesota's top players. Marco Rossi is 5-foot-9, but gets to the net like Eriksson Ek and has 21 goals (18 at 5-on-5) to show for it. Heidt is the kind of smart, heady distributor Zuccarello is today. Yurov surpassed Kaprizov in scoring as a 20-year-old in the KHL. Öhgren brings a combination of size, possession-driving, and dual-threat offensive ability that can remind you of Boldy. If Minnesota can successfully bring those players along in a relatively quick fashion and have them be a 1B unit for their power play, they have a chance to have elite special teams. It can't hurt to have that influx of offensive skill at 5-on-5, either. There's no shame in the Wild diverting from the identity of those Guerin/Evason teams. There might even be an upside to it. We've seen those Wild teams built on playing heavy hockey flame out in the opening round of the playoffs several times. How high was their ceiling? What did Guerin-ball get them, exactly? The Wild are at the start of a turnover that will be intensified as more of their most talented prospects start filtering onto the team. It's not time to impose an old, outdated identity on them, but to find a new mantra that adapts to their strengths.
  2. Reading that hockey writer’s article about kappy not willing to commit to long term with the wild until he sees what next year is like should send chills down fans spines . If Billy loses kappy it will be a complete failure of competitive rebuild. Who cares about all these prospects if kappy is playing for someone else. They don’t have another kappy coming. You only get that talent by drafting in top 5 or being really lucky and hitting on some random late pick . Not something you can bank on . I’m not a fan of Billy. My patience with him has run out . I liked what he said at end season presser but don’t think he can do it . He created his own mess. He could lose kappy because he can’t manage the cap , roster or contracts . I said I thought he has grown but is it enough to put a playoff team together by next year to prove to kappy he knows what he’s doing? I doubt it . They may get to playoffs but they’ll get run over with our weak d core , undersized forwards and lack of physicality. Billy’s clauses make it really hard to make big changes we need to this roster . The kind of changes we need to compete with these playoff teams that are a level above us . The wild do not have a bright future until Billy puts a playoff team together kappy likes . Kappy knows best what is needed now to help him . It’s not prospects that are years away. By the time they get here he’s gone so it’s time to start selling assets like Vegas to get proven players now . Rossi will get traded and should I’m glad they’ve identified he’s not for us this early in his career. It better than wasting years developing him to be top center for the sharks . Just like getting rid of Addison was a good idea . Billy needs to identity alphas and trade for them. . Move out the entitled sheep! Wild fans should be concerned about kappy . I am. Billy’s tenure would be a waste if he left but I’d be for it for kappys sake. If billy can’t build a playoff team now than kappy needs to go win somewhere else. Guys like him should be playing late in playoffs for whatever team so nhl fans can see it . Not withering away on a team using him to sell jerseys.
  3. I like this article, mainly because it articulates what I've been saying for a few years now. The Wild are in transition. The identity that Brackett has drafted for is a great skating, puck moving team not necessarily concerned about size. In case this has escaped Shooter, that will mean that the identity of the team will change, has to change. Will the fanbase like the change? Skill is coming, and lots of skill. To me, I'd love to see a team that is able to roster 3 scoring lines and 1 shutdown line. I'd love to have a team that has plenty of skill and can tie up larger teams in knots with their edges. But, I'd want that team to not lose the hardworking attitude we've always had and to have an ability to have heavy shifts when needed. Instead of a team identity, I'd be looking more at a line identity. Now, with the defense it is obvious. Strong skaters, puck movers, but not too small. Brackett likes to top out at about 6'2" and always looks for skating first. He didn't draft Spurgeons, but some of these guys are a little on the undersized category. I'd like a defense that can quickly gain transition, move the puck up the ice and fire bombs from the point with an ability to join the rush. Yes, 3 sets of very good all round pairs. Yet, I still want them to be able to throw the big hit when needed. From a development standpoint, the main need is bulking up. It isn't always for dishing out punishment, many times with the skilled guys it's for being able to take the punishment. The 2nd need is edges. Quick east-west directional changes are needed. Most of these guys can skate real well north-south already. These 2 things are fundamental. 3rd is conditioning. This should be a really well conditioned team, and they'll need it to outwork opponents for 82 games + playoffs. And, with the D, you just keep rolling out the pairings, they have similar skill sets and should be able to play in all situations. What does this give us? A very deep roster. Throw in 2 excellent Swedish 'tenders and we've got ourselves a very nice team. There is 1 more thing and this may be the most important thing: That all 5 players play as a unit. Nashville comes to mind with this, that was my takeaway when we played them. They all moved as one unit. We did not. I think some of this can be solved when Heinzy has his first training camp. My hope is that he works them hard, and tries to stretch their boundaries. I'd like to hear about the size and speed, how he tested the edges, and how he challenged all of the players, not giving the vets a break. I anticipate that next season will look similar to this one in identity. This is mainly due to having the old guard mixed with the new guard. Some will feel lost. Hopefully they can adapt and move into the new identity. One big question we have to ask: Will we be coached by what our skill set is? Some of Heinzy's ideas may need to shift. But, hard work and finishing checks never goes out of style!
  4. I like Spurgeon a lot, but for a team to say they are "grit first" and then to have Spurgeon as their captain doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather put the C on Ek, someone who constantly works hard on being better and will go all in for the team. I'd rather that be our identity. That's who I want all our youngsters to see when they meet the team. I want them to see his example and how he never stops working to improve his game, be it adding muscle or working on faceoffs or whatever. Spurgeon worked hard to get to this level too and I am not forgetting that, but it's the intensity that Ek has that Spurgeon just doesn't. I wish the rest of the team could see that intensity in their captain.
  5. I agree that the Wild need Yurov to come over, not just Rossi needing him. If Yurov is close to as good as Kaprizov is it would change the whole dynamics of the Wild. The top nine could be very flexible. You could role the identity line of Foligno, Ek, and Ohgren. You would then have two legitimate scoring lines with Kaprizov, Rossi, Boldy, Yurov, Lizard, and Knut. Hartman could fill in anywhere for depth. With Yurov in the top nine it gives Hines the ability to adapt to different teams. Of course this all hinges on if Yurov comes over and plays at a high level along with Knut and Ohgren stepping up next year.
  6. Well, put me in the Hurricanes column for rooting. Usually, I'll pick a Western Conference team to root for, but I think this year I'll pay attention to the matchups. There should be some dandies. Looking at yesterday's box score, Yurov had no points for Metallurg as they pulled one out late in the 3rd with a goal around the final minute. Oshawa swept away Ottawa with a 4-1 victory. For UNG, Kumpulainen played and picked up an apple. 8/20 in the dot. He did not have a good faceoff series, and it appears that Oshawa uses Kumpulainen as their chief draw man. Ritchie is usually a close 2nd in that category. Looks like we're slotted for drafting 13th. I've got that ping pong ball luck feeling this year, though. IMO, the league owes this franchise a little luck in this area. I got blocked from last night's game. You'd think that a nothing game like Kraken @ Wild would somehow make it to ESPN+ too. But, no, the greedy bastards of media do not think in terms of greatest exposure. I still am not liking the Fleury extension. If we trade Goose out, relying on a rookie to take the reins is not good planning. If it falls on Fleury to do the heavy lifting, well, start looking at your lottery prospects for '25. We do have more solid depth at the position now, but I really wanted to start the year with Goose and The Wall rotating starts. Perhaps I'm just thinking long term, but The Wall needs to see more NHL shooters. The season is over. We now have 2 months of debating on draft prospects. UFA will be pretty quiet for us except for depth pieces like Lucchini. The other interesting topics are about what we would most want changed in the organization. Near the top of my list is to move into both retro jerseys as our #1 and #2 uniforms. I'd like #3 to be a creative one using different colors. Why? Well, as I've said before these jerseys are pure gold. When wearing the '78s, I've heard so many good comments from people outside of our area on that during the broadcasts. But, maybe the most important thing has to do with identity. Even referees would be seeing a different team on the ice. We've got Kaprizov, Boldy, Rossi, Faber, Dino, Ogie, possibly Yurov and The Wall, Chisholm and maybe Hunt coming up. The identity of this franchise is changing beyond "grit first." A visual representation of that change is changing the jerseys. Plus, doing that now will be great business for The Lodge. After this tough year with all the injuries, coach firing, front office challenges, and cap penalties, it seems like a change of scenery signals a new era. It's for the players and the fans to just close the book on the old and open a new book. Maybe a psychologist could explain it better. On the ice, I think the #1 priority for this team is to find a legitimate player who can play in Ovechkin's office. That is a glaring need we do not have in our organization at this point. #2 on the list, I think, is an offensive RHS defenseman who is large and can pound the puck. This guy would be very young. Unfortunately, I do not expect Spurgeon to return looking like his former self. And, there are serious questions about that, so we need more of an insurance policy. If Jiricek is available, I'd target that guy.
  7. Danila Yurov and Metallurg Magnitogorsk are in the KHL finals. Playing for the Gagarin Cup isn’t like playing for the Stanley Cup because the NHL is a much higher level of hockey. Who was the last Russian prospect to play for the Gagarin Cup and win? Kirill Kaprizov for CSKA Moskva in 2018-19. Kaprizov lived up to the hype. However, Yurov is showing signs that he will be as good or a better goal scorer than Kaprizov. Yurov is showing to be the NHL’s 2022 draft steal. Yurov would be a perfect fit next to Marco Rossi. Bill Guerin shouldn’t move Rossi in the offseason, but he reportedly is thinking of moving on from the rookie center. However, Rossi can play behind Joel Eriksson Ek, who has evolved into the team’s top center. Why can’t Rossi use the opportunity to learn from Eriksson Ek? He represents Guerin’s “Grit First” identity but implements it with skill. Rossi’s a year behind in his development because of a life-threatening heart issue. But he played a full season, indicating he’s fully recovered. Now he’s gotten a full year under his belt. What if his sophomore season starts with a future Russian superstar in Yurov? Kaprizov played 57 regular season games, scoring 11 game-winning goals in 17:15 time on ice (TOI), which led the KHL in 2018-19. Yurov played 62 regular season games, scoring seven game-winning goals in 15:12 TOI, tied for second this year. Imagine if Yurov played up to 17 minutes a night. Kaprizov became the most clutch player in the KHL, and Yurov has proven to be Metallurg’s best player. Yurov’s clutch goal-scoring has translated to the playoffs this year. He’s been less productive in the playoffs but has out-scored Kaprizov in less ice time played in their Gargain Cup seasons. In 19 playoff games for CSKA, Kaprizov scored 14 points (4 goals and 10 assists) in 17:43 time on ice (TOI). In 19 playoff games for Metallurg, Yurov scored 9 points (6 goals and 3 assists) in 14:42 TOI. Kaprizov’s assists were tied for fifth in the playoffs; Yurov’s goals are tied for third in the KHL playoffs. Yurov’s nine points are tied for sixth in the playoffs, and Kaprizov’s 14 points are tied for sixth. Yurov, 20, is two years younger than Kaprizov, 22. Still, he’s scoring more goals than Kaprizov did in the KHL and is nearly productive with a lower TOI. Kaprizov is a former 5th-round pick, while the Wild took Yurov in the 1st round. That may explain why Yurov has achieved as much as Kaprizov has at a younger age. Despite the age difference, Yurov is showing 1st-round value at its finest, playing 163 KHL games as he’s gained more experience. Regardless of what happens in the Gargain Cup finals, Yurov has momentum heading into the offseason. Guerin needs to get Yurov over to North America because Rossi deserves Yurov. What happens if Riley Heidt makes the team? Now Rossi has wingers who can help support him. Yurov’s maturity can help him adapt to the NHL and provide a clutch game instead of immediately becoming a point-per-game player. Yurov is scratching the surface of being a future point-per-game producer, but we shouldn’t expect him to make that kind of impact unless he becomes Kaprizov 2.0. By playing with Yurov, Rossi should be able to improve his assist totals because he isn’t playing with Mats Zuccarello and Marcus Johansson, who aren’t goal-scorers. The Wild shouldn’t trade Rossi because they lack goal-scoring wingers. Rossi has 40 points (19 assists) in 81 games. What if the Wild had another goal-scoring wing? I’m sure he’d be knocking on 60 points. Because Yurov is so skilled, Rossi can creatively set him up. Matt Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Kaprizov are a dynamic first line, but they don't have a true second line. Rossi is the second line’s foundation. If the Wild are concerned about Rossi’s size (5-foot-9)”, then they can't have Mats Zuccarello (5-foot-8) playing alongside him. Slotting Zuccarello with Marat Khusnutdinov (5-foot-11, 176 lbs.) doesn’t solve that issue, either. If anything, the Wild should keep Liam Ohgren with Zuccarello to make another scoring line. Zuccarello will move Khusnutdinov to the fourth line with Marcus Foligno and Ryan Hartman. Yurov looks like a game-changing player. Winning the Gargain Cup would be a massive achievement for Yurov to carry momentum in 2024-25. Guerin should have second thoughts about trading Rossi now that scoring wingers like Yurov and Heidt are emerging. Yurov has a bright future in Minnesota, and Kaprizov needs to persuade him to come to the Wild because Kaprizov is a free agent after the 2025-26 season. The Wild can’t afford to miss the playoffs again in Kaprizov’s prime years. Yurov can help Minnesota get over the hump.
  8. Johansson has played better lately. He hasn't had a good year. I do not like the idea of buying him out when we could stash him in the A or have him picked up on waivers where we don't have a financial commitment. Really, it's not the $2m that's important with him, it's the roster spot. Someone on an ELC would be about a wash, but probably will be hungrier. As for the middle this is a good point. I hate the perimeter play this team has morphed into again. We simply don't play in the middle enough, nor try to get to the middle enough (Ek not included). This team needs a system turnover where they stop doing that and start attacking the middle of the ice. You know what teams are perimeter teams? Soft, small teams. I hate soft, small teams. Please note, that short and small are not the same thing. This team needs to go to work this offseason in the gym. They need strength and good weight. Look, I love Spurgeon, but as a captain, the guy who is supposed to set the example, at 5'9" 166, that doesn't show the other guys the need to get stronger. With Spurgeon injured, at the end of the season he should be turning in his C (and really, IMO, that should happen every season). We need a new C who values strength/weight. I believe that Heinzy does value it. I'd also like to say that with the transition that is coming, this team is going to be a better scoring team. Their identity will be changing. It won't be grit first anymore. I don't think our identity will be to lose the 200' game, I think that stays. But, we need to get back to the identity of outworking opponents, and bringing in the identity of 3 scoring lines and a shutdown line. We need to re-establish our defensive corps unit as being top 10. It's a work in progress, but I can see it at the end of the tunnel. What will be interesting at the end of the season is where Heinzy grades this team. He and Guerin, and maybe even Brackett will have meetings at the end of the year about what went well, what didn't, and where Heinzy sees this team going in the future. Heinzy doesn't seem to be a coach eager to have a diminutive team. I think he'll want some size. I definitely think he'll want better effort. Also, I didn't see last night's game, but the previous game against Ottawa, I felt, was Beckman's best game. He was fast and physical even though he didn't win all the battles. Put some meat on this guy and he'll be successful.
  9. While I don't necessarily agree with you totally on this, I do think there is a valid point to be made: Identity, motivation and leadership all go hand in hand. I do not believe in handing someone the captaincy or a letter and they get to keep it until they leave the team. These letter's or validation of leadership should be turned in after each season and re-earned the following season. One major fact is that while Spurgeon is our Captain, he has been out for most of the year. With 2 major surgeries b2b, how do you expect to captain a team when you are recovering/rehabbing away from the team? With the identity comment, I think this is right, but, with transition comes an identity switch, maybe even crisis. As the new guys come in, it'll be hard to keep the same identity which is different from culture (where you'd want some vets around). On to your example, there is an assumption that an appeal on the buyouts would have been granted, I think, on your part. I don't know if such an appeal would be made public. I do believe that not grandfathering in the current contracts in 2013 was absolutely the wrong thing to do, but the appeal process wouldn't have even been from OCL. When Luongo retired, and he had one of those contracts, both Vancouver and Florida got dinged. No appeal is going to go through once someone else endures the penalty. Personally, I think they did lose an appeal on this and it was a hush-hush thing. As Protec would say, OCL didn't bring a big enough offering to the table! Moving forward in the identity area, I believe each pairing on D and each line should have its own identity. What we have are a few larger players surrounded by several smaller players. Grit first was proposed as the identity last season going into the playoffs. That fizzled! Why? Because we didn't have enough larger bodies to play that style. Everyone besides Chicago can play that style in our division. The identity we used to have, as a hard working team, I think, has somewhat diminished, but that would be the identity I'd like to see. Finish checks, hard to play against, always moving the feet, solid structure and good goaltending should be what we see on the ice. As you've pointed out, the results are inconsistency, and a lot of that may have something to do with injuries. To also be fair, one thing that happened as a trend under Evason was the team starting out slowly. This happened the last 3 years of the Koivu captaincy too, and kept on going. I think that trend has been eliminated under Heinzy.
  10. Great comments by all. I don't have that much profound things to say or expert advice to add. It's just to me the Wild seem unorganized and display very little desire to play. IMO the big guys they had brought in produced very little. I think they did more harm than good. They extensions of aging veterans with no movement contracts seals their fate for a few years. I agree this team lacks much identity going forward. But to me the NHL lacks a good identity in general. That's a topic for another day.
  11. In Nashville, musicians and songwriters have a saying: “No money is made above the fifth fret.” Now, that doesn’t mean that Eddie Van Halen's might-as-well-be-an-opus-at-this-point guitar master class, Eruption, isn't amazing, even though most of what he did was way above the fifth fret. The true understanding of this statement, forgetting about the obvious existential virtue, is that if you want to make it as a musician (which is arguably tougher than a pro hockey player), you've got to keep it simple. Find your most basic, honest identity – the meat and potatoes, if you will – of what you do. Then get really good at those few things. And that, my friends, is where the money is made. The same can be said in hockey. A team's success depends on how quickly it can define and assume its team habits – the meat and potatoes of what you do well as a team. Teams will adopt these from the beginning of a season and attempt to manifest these “core principles” as the season advances. Hopefully, these will run the length of the season, which in turn will become the team's identity over time. It could be, for example: skating, turnovers, conditioning, strong forecheck, shots from everywhere, Rush D, Rush O, speed, transition, D men joining, etc. There are many habits a team can consider adopting. The trickier part is taking into account your personnel on hand and the player/position skill sets that you have. Adapting to your players is imperative, not the other way around. You can’t make players who don’t defend well suddenly become elite defenders. Eventually, those habits will define your team (good or bad), and it’s impossible to sell your soul at the Crossroads to be great at all of your habits. This isn’t the Islanders of Stanley Cup yore, a team that did all of the habits really well. In my experience, with all credit to St. Olaf Head Coach Eddie Effinger, we have a phrase: Middle is Life. Meaning the basis for success in our game is largely dependent on the game within the game: the game happening in the middle of the rink. Part of what that means to me is that to be successful, you must win the areas in front of both nets every night. If you get good at doing those two things, you will not get scored on as much as the other team and score more goals than the other team. Win the middle, and you will win more games. Where are snipers most dangerous? The middle of the ice – not on the flanks. Minnesota Wild fans have seen it. Give Kirill Kaprizov the middle, and he will get a high-quality scoring chance on most of those opportunities. Even Alexander Ovechkin, with his amazing one-timers, is scored at or inside the dots. Those are hard to stop, even for NHL goalies. The effectiveness of a team offensively and defensively is played in the middle of the ice, not on the flanks or behind the net. Might seem like a simple concept, but the application and execution of that is the difference between teams that win and teams that don’t. Meat and potatoes. Practically speaking, winning the middle starts with the players who occupy the middle of the ice: goalies, defensemen, and centers. Concerning the Wild, their lack of defensive and center depth isn’t an open secret, but the middle of the ice needs to be a top priority for the Wild. Eight out of Minnesota’s top 10 prospects in 2024 are either a goalie, defenseman, or center. Through it all, the Wild somehow have goalie depth, and they should get kudos for that. However, defense and center depth have been and still are major issues for this club. The Wild need to shore up the middle of their lineup to be a consistent playoff team. They are flush with decent wingers, but Joel Eriksson Ek, Marco Rossi, and Jake Luchini? Those are the only centers they’ve rostered. The Wild need to get tougher up the middle in addition to more secondary scoring from their centers. Perhaps Rasmus Kumpulainen and Marat Khustindov will be the upgrades they need. They are actively building defensive depth with young players on the back end with Brock Faber, Declan Chisholm, and Carson Lambos, and by signing Jack Peart recently. Those are good signs that the Wild understands that, as we say, middle is life, and you need to prioritize those areas of the ice to be a consistent winner. It seems like a clawback is happening. And that is a good thing. Hockey, like music, is finding your identity and doing that really well. The money will follow. That’s life below the fifth fret.
  12. I've seen some people commenting that they are sick of hearing about size. That some undersized teams have won the Cup. Chicago and Pittsburgh come to mind as the examples, whereas the Kings and Blues come to mind with the heavy play. The main dynamic here is how did the Pens and 'Hawks get past their competition to win it? I would suggest that they may have gotten lucky with some matchups. And, the playoff structure was a little different before we went to divisional playoffs. I'm a big fan of the divisional playoff rounds and not stacking teams 1-8 in the conference. I like the promotion of rivalries within the division, and this promotes all of that. Growing the game is really important, and creating hated rivalries does a lot to grow the game. But, regardless of that, unless you plan on being a WC team and skipping to the other side of the conference, you've got to get through your division. The current participants in the Central division can all play a heavy brand of hockey. They may not be that large, but they have dominated our Wild physically all year, not to mention skill wise either. Some of these same people argue that we should be tanking and getting can't miss prospects almost ready to make the jump, and building that way is more effective. In other words, mortgage 5 years of play in hopes that these highly drafted picks will become stars and lead to great days ahead. This works, but not 100% of the time. I'd argue it may be less than 50% of the time. What kinds of prospects can you get in the mid teens and early 20s? Not quite as highly skilled guys, and guys with some warts. You can get undersized skill guys, but you usually get guys who will need the full 5 years to develop. Ek is a perfect example. It took him 2 offseasons to develop physically into a shutdown 3rd line C. It took him more years to develop into a skilled lower level 1st line C, top 2nd line C. But, he got there, and most of it was due to hard work! Some of these guys will come into your organization with a chip on their shoulder. They felt and may have been told that they should have gone higher than they were picked. The Wall, Yurov and Lambos are all examples of this. In fact, the look on Yurov's face when selected looked to me like he was taking franchise names who had passed on him and would make them pay for that mistake. Building up the body to take on the punishment of the NHL is not a bad thing to do. In fact, it should be expected. I was watching Twins highlights earlier this year. Why are the Twins players larger than the Wild players? Honestly, shouldn't that concern anyone? In a division where all the playoff teams can play heavy, shouldn't the Wild players also be at least able to defend against the heavy with strength in their bodies? Look at how Ogie was able to use his size and strength to be able to work in the corners. Will Ogie go back to Sweden this offseason to train with his dad who is a strength trainer for most of the top Swedish players? Or, might Ogie invite his dad to spend the summer with him in St. Paul as he finds a place to settle down and get situated, and freely see if his dad was willing to work with his teammates in a non-Wild organized strength building summer? Maybe he invites his teammates to Sweden to do something similar? The point is that to get through the division and to be able to go through the middle of the ice and win puck battles in the corners, our guys have got to get stronger. Maybe they're short, but that is by no means an excuse to be weak. The shorter guy already has the leverage, we've seen Dino use that and surprise some people. We've seen the dynamic change it meant to Rossi's game this year, and he needs another year of it. As Zuccarello and Spurgeon wind down their careers, I think I could be ok with Rossi and Dino being our small players and the rest be above average in weight class. Rossi might even meet that mark this offseason. My goal is to have 200 lb. players at least, regardless of height. Some may not make it there, but if you're over 6' there is no excuse to not get there. Defensemen need a little more meat on the bones, I believe. They have to worry about not getting walked by 220-230 wings, and be able to neutralize them on the boards. I've watched both Faber and Chisholm struggle to do this from time to time. They both battled, but it should be easier to pin the guy, and they need a bit more strength to neutralize them. Even Brodin plays a bit undersized in the weight category, and as he ages, he could use some extra strength/weight. To me, it looked like his skating ability wasn't as elite as it used to be. That could be age catching up with him where he needs to reinvent himself a bit with some extra strength. Hmmm, could he be a candidate for daddy Ogie's strength program? I don't want this to be read as minimizing the skill factor. I think that is an important part of where this team's identity is headed. But, it can't be skill alone to get out of the division in the playoffs. They're going to also need strength/weight to take on the beasts of the Central. I'd also say that better edges which works with shorter players can also be an advantage.
  13. Great article, very balanced and pretty forgiving. I like what John H said. It really surprised me just how frank he was. It gives me hope for next year. The accountability he is describing has to get buy in from the team’s true leaders. I’m not sure which players he’ll be leaning on. I don’t see the Wild starting next season as ineffectually as this year. I’m hoping for signs of an IU. Identity Upgrade.
  14. The Minnesota Wild ran a “Grit First.” promotional video before last year’s playoff series against the Dallas Stars. “I want our team,” Bill Guerin said in the opening seconds, “to be able to play their best game in the most hostile environment.” There were shots of players working out and Xcel Energy on a chilly morning with a dramatic musical backdrop. Playoff hockey doesn’t need hype, but the marketing team did everything possible to ramp up the drama. Filip Gustavsson made 51 saves in Game 1, and the Wild stole a 3-2 double-overtime victory in Dallas. Dean Evason perplexingly turned to Marc-Andre Fleury for Game 2, and the Stars won 7-3 despite only outshooting Minnesota 31 to 26. The Wild outhit Dallas 45-22, but they also racked up 52 penalty minutes. Evason accused the Stars of diving. “There’s a hockey term for that,” DeBoer responded. “It’s called deflection. You know what, if I were coaching one of the most penalized teams in the league, I’d probably be doing the same thing. That’s good coaching.” DeBoer outcoached Evason in the playoffs again last year, just as he did with the Vegas Golden Knights in 2021. Minnesota’s “grit” really was just code for reckless play. They bought into their marketing campaign too much. The Wild won Game 3 at home, but Dallas beat them by a combined 11-3 score in the final three games. Minnesota failed to reach the second round for the seventh straight season. In a press conference after the season had ended, Guerin felt it was unfair that a reporter brought up Minnesota’s first-round woes. He highlighted that the Wild have “one hand tied behind their back” because he bought Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out and incurred dead cap space. But Guerin dismissed Evason after Minnesota started 5-10-4 to start the season. DeBoer handed the Wild their worst loss during the seven-game losing streak that ended Evason’s five-year run, an 8-3 blowout before Minnesota went on their Sweden trip. Minnesota had an opportunity to redeem themselves against the Stars this week. But they routed Jesper Wallstedt and the Wild in his debut, 7-2, and rookie goalie Matt Murray shut them out, 4-0, on Monday. Minnesota has lost six of their past six games. “We gotta learn to play in these tight games,” three-time Stanley Cup champion Pat Maroon said after Monday's game, “and learn to shut teams down when it’s a 1-0 hockey game and try to get one there.” The Wild started 11-3-0 under John Hynes, but injuries have hampered them recently. Kirill Kaprizov, Jared Spurgeon, Jonas Brodin, and Gustavsson are out. For those keeping score at home, that’s Minnesota’s best player, top defensive pair, and starting goalie. Therefore, Maroon’s sentiment is fair at this moment. They were fortunate to come back and win in Columbus on Saturday. But they will need to take any wins they can get until their stars come back. Let’s not confuse effort and grit, though. The Wild should always give maximum effort, especially in the playoffs. But grit is a marketing slogan that turned into detrimental play. It’s something that undertalented teams that sneak into the playoffs rely on to pull off an improbable run. When fully healthy, Minnesota has a generational talent in Kaprizov and a No. 1 center in Marco Rossi. Spurgeon and Brodin are elite defensemen, and Brock Faber is one of the most impressive young blueliners in the league. Gustavsson is a solid young goalie, and they just called up their top goaltending prospect. The Wild will struggle to build a contender with their limited cap space. As strange as it is that the NHL punished Minnesota’s ownership for spending on their roster, Guerin knew the league’s rules when he bought Parise and Suter out. He played both sides in his infamous press conference last year. Guerin mentioned, unsolicited, that the limited cap space hampered Minnesota’s roster, then quickly said it wasn’t an excuse. This year, he said he’s never seen the number of injuries the Wild have endured. Both sentiments are fair, and they’re also related. The Wild haven’t been able to build a team talented enough to go on a playoff run because of limited cap space. They also haven’t been able to add depth to cover for their stars. Few teams could endure the injuries Minnesota has and win. Still, if those injuries linger and they continue to lose, they can use a high draft pick to add another talented, young, and cost-controlled start to the mix. Guerin decided to buy Parise and Suter out and go all-in, knowing the cap restraints. There’s no turning back now. He has his star player, top goalie prospect, a No. 1 center, and a minutes-eating young defenseman. He’s also locked multiple veterans into long-term deals. The next step this group needs to do once it gets healthy is to drop grit from their vocabulary and establish an identity built around skill and scoring.
  15. No matter how people feel about TNT broadcaster Anson Carter, he was right about one thing. The Minnesota Wild don’t have the depth to make a sustainable playoff run. However, general manager Bill Guerin is still managing the team like they’re not far away from winning the Stanley Cup. He extended Mats Zuccarello, Ryan Hartman, Marcus Foligno, Marcus Johansson, Frederick Gaudreau, Marc-Andre Fleury, Zach Bogosian, Jon Merrill, and Alex Goligoski because he believed they could make an impact until their mid-to-late 30s. Guerin was an impact player for 22 seasons of his Hall of Fame career and retired at 39 years old. He created the Wild to be “untouchable” during cap hell. He wanted to make them the NHL’s most irritating team. Some Wild fans are hanging on to the 2002-03 season and the 2007-08 Northwest Division title as a blueprint for how Minnesota can win with Kirill Kaprizov. Although they haven’t won a playoff series since 2014-15, they still retired Mikko Koivu’s No. 9 into the rafters. How do they cater to fans? By creating Hockey Day Minnesota, Wild Fans No. 1 banner, the 2015-16 Stadium Series, and the 2021-22 Winter Classic. The team of 18,000 will always stand behind the Wild, including attacking Carter for being honest about the team on TNT. The Wild are playing for a wild card spot in the playoffs which isn’t anything new. That’s the Wild’s ceiling. A borderline playoff team. What do borderline playoff teams do? They end up finishing outside of the two wild card spots, falling into the mushy middle. The Wild love to blame injuries and referees blowing games instead of owning up to their mistakes and taking responsibility. Why not show a 60-minute effort on a consistent basis? These players are human, and it’s impossible to play 60 minutes every game. However, the Wild are still finding their identity. They market themselves as “Grit First” and “It’s About Winning,” but Guerin hasn’t built a contender around Kaprizov. Guerin didn’t draft Kaprizov, Matt Boldy, Joel Eriksson Ek, and Brock Faber. But he used a first-round pick on Marco Rossi, who he’s considering trading. He also drafted Marat Khusnutdinov, Jesper Wallstedt, and Daemon Hunt, who haven’t made a championship-level impact in the NHL. More prospects are on the way, but what we’ve witnessed so far suggests that the prospects aren’t ready. Guerin is depending on Judd Brackett to bring in young, cost-effective talent, but he almost always prioritizes high-floor veterans over young players with upside. When he was in Vancouver, Brackett drafted Elias Pettersson fifth overall in the 2017 draft and Quinn Hughes seventh overall in 2018. Brackett took Pettersson as a top-five pick and Hughes as a lucky seven pick. Brackett needs the opportunity to get a cornerstone player within the top-seven of a draft. Rossi is a ninth overall pick (2020), but the Wild aren’t prioritizing him like Kaprizov, Boldy, and even Eriksson Ek, even though he’s been their most consistent 5-on-5 forward this season. The Wild took Danila Yurov 24th overall in 2022, but he’s performing as a top-seven draft pick in the KHL. Riley Heidt is also out-performing his draft stock. The Wild got him in the second round, and he has first-round skill. Guerin’s making Brackett’s job harder by wanting to win now. Therefore, Yurov and Heidt must become first-round caliber talents for Minnesota to have enough skill to compete in the playoffs. Guerin was an impactful veteran later in his career, but he was also an outlier. Zuccarello, Jonas Brodin, Fleury, and Bogosian have been veteran performers who belong on championship teams. Any winning team would value Hartman’s versatility. The same goes for Foligno’s leadership and Jared Spurgeon’s longevity. But that’s where the cutoff begins. Johansson’s speed and No-Trade Clause (NTC) keep him on the team, and Dean Evason is the reason they signed Gaudreau through 2027-28. Guerin has prioritized veterans, which makes it more difficult for him to build a younger core around Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. Guerin has won four Stanley Cups as a player and may not understand Minnesota sports fans' desperation. Many people here would rather see him lean into the upside of young, cost-effective players than build a roster full of high-floor, low-ceiling veterans who are easy to coach. By building teams that are good enough to make the playoffs but lose once they get there, he’s making it more difficult for Brackett to do his job. It would be easier for the Wild to get high-end players if they had better draft picks. The Wild are wasting the opportunity to win with the core of Kaprizov, Boldy, Eriksson Ek, and Faber. Fans will have to wait for the veteran contracts to expire and prospects to mature into impact players on a contending team. However, there’s a way for Guerin to build a Cup-winning team as soon as 2024-25, but he can’t assume that most veterans will make an impact in their mid- to late-30s as he did. He needs to invest in a winning core that will support his cornerstones. He needs to build a team with an identity that will give him winning results.
  16. The Minnesota Wild's season is all but over, having already been kicked out of playoff contention. Now, we are just riding out to complete all 82 games -- but, fortunately, there are some reasons to still tune in. For instance, something like former first-rounder Liam Öhgren making his NHL debut after being recalled from the SHL this week. But, what should we expect from the 20-year-old winger? Öhgren is set to start his North American pro career on the Wild's third line centered by fellow rookie Marat Khusnutdinov -- forming this ultra-competitive, hard forechecking duo that should carry a lot of the Wild's drive for the next decade. Öhgren might not score right away, and with four games remaining in the season, there won't be much opportunity to really get rolling after he makes his debut. But, we should at least expect to see some solid two-way play from the young forward. He has that tenacity that the Wild's front office loves to have in every player, but also has the skill to potentially be a top-six contributor for a long time. Patience might be needed, but who knows? Öhgren could very well start on a heater after coming back from injury and being able to finish off his SHL season well, scoring 12 goals and 19 points in just 26 games played. Nevertheless, it's always exciting to see a draft pick come to fruition. That's Wild The Minnesota Wild are closing out their season soon and are going to have a transitional summer. Lots of young talent is coming up to the surface, but with loads of veterans still on the books. They will simply have to forge a new identity. [Hockey Wilderness] And speaking of the roster, it sure does seem like the Wild are about to run it back for next season but expect different results for some reason.[Hockey Wilderness] Wild prospect Rieger Lorenz and the rest of Denver is in the National Championship game after winning in overtime over Boston University. [The Hockey News] Off the trail... The standings over in the East are getting pretty tight. A few teams are all battling for that second Wild Card spot and with every game, things change. [Sportsnet] Will Auston Matthews hit 70 goals? He is currently at 68 and is red-hot. [TSN] Preparations are being made for the NHL to move the Coyotes from Arizona to Salt Lake City. [CBC]
  17. What I think is strange is, how MN set a record for points as an organization with a less than elite roster but when the team played like a team. Everyone benefits. When it becomes an individual game or there's no identity/synergy & buy in the results are diminished. Injuries don't help but the Wild aren't lost and forlorn. I will say this off-season is important to boost the trajectory by any means necessary. If that means an end to Fleury or Gus so be it. If it means making a big splash with a trade that includes Rossi or a prospect, so be it as long as it helps the Wild.
  18. The Minnesota Wild’s identity becomes more apparent as the team begins its playoff push. With the season's trade deadline in the rearview mirror, the team prepares themselves for the toughest and most crucial time of the season. The Wild have called up a few prospects to the NHL in the last month. Mason Shaw is returning from his fourth ACL tear, and they’ve signed Marat Khusnutdinov and called up Adam Beckman. All three have the potential to make an impact immediately. This is the best time for a team that was sellers at the trade deadline to get some new faces, some experience, and opportunities to gel with the already established players. It's a low-risk, high-reward situation for Minnesota. If the Wild continue on this winning trajectory (12-4-3 record since the All-Star Break), they will be in the playoffs this season, especially with the boost that Shaw, Beckman, and Khusnutdinov can bring to the organization every night. Minnesota added a handful of younger players on expiring contracts at the trade deadline. The moves were highly anticipated, with no surprise departures. Future draft picks in upcoming drafts compensated for many of these moves. Looking at Bill Guerin's trades cumulatively, we can begin to decipher his vision for the Wild. The Wild staff has continued on a path that starts formulating a more identifiable future strategy. Bringing Khusnutdinov in is part of it. So is bringing Vladislav Firstov from overseas into Iowa. Even a move as small as trading Connor Dewar to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Dmitry Ovchinnikov hints at this. Minnesota’s identity has started to form into a hybrid style of hockey. The team's future is headed towards two lines with different focuses. One will focus on a North American style of play centered on speed, physicality, and toughness. The second will be a Russian style of play, focused more on speed and puck control. The Russian style of play is really the most potent, with small, faster, highly skilled players who tend to be shorter and smaller in stature. Their size and pure speed will frustrate opponents trying to contain such elusive world-class athletes. These players will wear the opposition down quickly, especially the ones who don’t skate all four lines evenly. When you start setting up your team for the playoffs, you must take into account that you can possibly play each team seven times within 14 days, with thousands of miles of travel in between. Therefore, building a team that plays multiple styles means being able to set the tempo and not allowing the opposition to dictate anything. As you look at Minnesota’s current roster, the team seems to have close to four solid, productive lines. When building a roster, you will have a successful team year every year if you can get three of the four lines to be positive in plus/minus and one dominant line with +20-+25. The Wild have always emphasized a defensive style of play, and transitioning to a new style isn’t easy. Evolving your identity involves acquiring players with the history and/or skills needed to execute successfully in the NHL. Let’s separate the team into three categories to highlight this hybrid style. The first is the Russian style, with Kirill Kaprizov joining Khusnutdinov and top prospect Danila Yurov. The Wild emphasizes the offensive players constantly circling, always m, making presumably unpredictable playstyle. They have designed it for faster and smaller players who can be elusive and explosive. The second is the North American style, which involves bigger guys like Matt Boldy, Ryan Hartman, and Joel Eriksson Ek. Minnesota’s North American-style players who play at a high level in this system are 6-foot-0 to 6-foot-2. The Wild have packed their roster with promising, explosive, and talented young men with the skills to become a winning team. The third is a group of reliable, dependable, rather healthy, defensively sound d-men who do an excellent job keeping the opposition's scoring opportunities to a minimum. Brock Faber is a potent defenseman who has become a potent quarterback on the power play as a rookie. Winning is the ultimate goal every day, and entering the playoffs is important — except to the diehard Wild fans who don’t want that this year. We have lived that life for too many years, knowing deep down inside that we don’t have what it takes. A second line focusing on speed, skill, and toughness that the Wild can juggle depending on the opponent that night complements Kaprizov and the insanely talented group of Russians already in the system who are ready or not far off. They should have a third and fourth line that can score while containing the opposition’s top line. The Wild will put the veterans in a position they haven’t had: being out there to impose their style of play on the game instead of just trying to keep the score close. The young Russians will be something we haven’t seen in Minnesota, a group that will set the pace each night. That will cause many older teams to realize they are dealing with a team that can dictate the game in many different facets while complimented by defensemen who keep the opportunities to a minimum while in the defensive zone. The future looks bright in the State of Hockey.
  19. Someone send this article to BG and Hynes! I would add that the early "rugged" Wild teams played that way naturally and as they leaned into that identity they became more of a goon squad and forgot about being skilled. Having said that I think BG is looking for players that play bigger than they are so I'm guessing this article will age very well.
  20. After watching season after season, strategy after strategy, these minor trades will not affect the Wild one iota. It is not players that the Wild are missing. It is not the coma-inducing mega-contracts and associated buyouts. Nor the plaguing perpetual injuries this season. It comes down to only 3 things that the Wild need to flourish. First things is any sense of Identity. I have no idea who the Minnesota Wild are. Zero clue. I cannot explain why sometimes the Wild can annihilate a top seeded team, and the next night cough up penalties, goal, and barely have SOG let alone a single goal. It fathoms me to watch one game where the passing appears to be by laser-pinball wizards, followed up with clumsy can't hit the broad side of a barn puck control the next game. Every (any Minnesota sport) fan always has to wonder "what team is going to show up tonight?" This is allegedly The State of Hockey, yet Minnesota has never raised the Cup in celebration of total victory. Next, would be a purpose, a motivation. Or at least a CONSISTENT purpose. It's like there is magic, life, high energy some games, and lethargic zombies on blades the next night. Inconsistent attitude and play. Did they party too hard celebrating a victory the previous night, or just decide they've put in enough this week? Frustrating to watch the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde roulette. Without an identity, it's difficult to have a reason for lacing up the skates. And finally, why no identity and motivation? Because they lack leadership. LEADERSHIP. Yep, I'm going to call out the Wild for not having leadership. This includes Owner, GM, coaching staff, and our Captain. The few things resembling leadership I do see is GMBG quarterbacking the team roster and prospects. Or sometimes a goalie on a hot streak, or even a few forwards (12, 14, 17, 97) but not consistently. However, I do not witness any sense of leadership coordination between ownership, GM, coaching, and our team Captain. For example, although the Wild are on the hook for the contract buyouts, and the league banning contracts over 8 years, why not appeal to the NHL that these now illegal contracts should not have to affect our salary cap. Why is a relatively small D our team captain, given the other assets on the team? He seems to be injured lot and I just do not see how he energizes the team on the ice. I come from a military background, and you look into the eyes of the players, the coaches, and watch them play, their posture, their attitude, they simply lack any leadership on the ice whatsoever. You can rotate in GM's, coaches, and players all you want, change up the lines, but there is no clear definition of Identity, Goals, or dynamic leadership to take advantage of the talents, skills, and opportunities. And until they find those three things, you will never see Minnesota etched on the Stanley Cup.
  21. IMO injuries have nothing to do with this season’s outcome. Adding 5’9 160lbs Spurg to roster wasn’t going to fix this season. If he was healthy they wouldn’t be in playoffs or winning a round. No accountability, no identity an a bad roster construct is the reason this season went south. , that’s on bill and the players. He extended these guys that have been together under Dean for years..These so called core players decided not to show up for half of the season or show they had any intention of working this year. The Coaching change is due to bad roster decisions . Even if these guys had showed up for the season they still aren’t talented enough to be a playoff team. It’s shown all year long that they can’t win against good teams. So why would next year be better with Billy’s handcuffed team? The wild can’t take a step forward with boat anchors on these lines like Jo Jo , Fred , goose Merrill etc. yes a couple are off books next year but not Jo Jo and Fred. It’s obvious the wilds idea of developing talent is making them carry Fred or Jo Jo’s water . They were talking about how k -nat hasn’t scored yet. It’s because he’s got Fred doing nothing. Like Fred did for Rossi , Boldy , fiala Beckman an all other wild players. Kinda like Jo Jo makes a 2nd line scoring line impotent. So how do you navigate next season with no cap space and boat anchors throughout the lineup? I know why the wild will do. . They will Pr the sh-t out of hopes and dreams of prospects years away . It’s criminal for kappy to not be in the playoffs. Players like him in the playoffs is what fans around the league want . Billy’s just pissing those years away to sell jerseys for Craig. Ya know this was a bad season for the wild when they stopped asking for money from taxpayers for a billionaire handout.
  22. You would tend to get this when looking for overperforming players. I think you'd need an in depth study of each rostered player. Hynes has spoken often about identity. He wants a team identity and even breaks that down to a line identity and a pairing identity. Part of the player variety is located on the IR list. But, the other part that says speed & skill are turning from Boys to Men. This is where it gets a little murky, mainly because we do not have all of our top prospects in the A. They're a little harder to find. But, this much I can say, those speed & skill guys are coming. This team will have a different identity in a couple of seasons. Each line's identity will change. Our defensive pairings will be very strong again, and we'll see that great puck moving defense like we're used to. Essentially, with some of the players, timing didn't match up. We didn't plan on Merrill and Goligoski cliff diving in Acapulco. Faber was a late arrival, but has filled in admirably for Dumba. Addison couldn't play defense and didn't really want to learn how. O'Rourke couldn't put on the necessary weight. Hunt is breaking in, and Lambos is hopefully adapting to a new league. Spacek, Masters, Peart were always going to take a little longer. A similar thing happened with the offense. Fiala was moved out, but his replacement piece(s) just aren't here yet. I think there was hope Beckman could fill in, but even he has failed to bulk up to where he needs to be to compete in the N. His opportunity came, and unfortunately, no one was home to answer the phone. Also on The Wall's struggles. Typically, a player, especially really good ones, remember the shellackings more than the wins. Fleury is around for just the rest of the year. He is a good assistant coach and I'm glad that The Wall struggled while he was still here. Fleury will help The Wall get past this. This is not The Wall's tryout for the rest of the season, this is The Wall's cup of coffee debut where he will soon be called into Shooter's office and given things to work on when he is sent back down to the A. It will be positive. If we're worried about the defensive play in front of him at the N level, know this, he's getting just as much terrible support in the A, so he's used to it!
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