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  • Wild's Ryan Hartman Suspended 10 Games For Egregious Play


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    The decision has been made. Minnesota Wild forward Ryan Hartman has had the book not just thrown at him, but hurled at an incredible pace. For driving Ottawa Senators center Tim Stutzle's head into the ice off of a faceoff, he has been suspended for 10 games. Due to the suspension, he is giving up over $600,000 in salary.

    • On the suspension, Hartman's potential appeal of the decision, and what it means for the Wild going forward as they try to cement a playoff spot: [The Athletic]
    • Because of bone-headed plays like that and not really being anything more than a mediocre bottom-six forward, do the Wild have buyer's remorse for giving Hartman a contract extension? [Hockey Wilderness]
    • The Wild are on the east coast, visiting the Boston Bruins as they try to not slip too much and survive just enough to make the playoffs. Every point is valuable for this Boston team, so the Wild might just be overwhelmed considering who is absent from the roster. [NHL.com]

    Off the trail...

    • Trying to pick the best lineup for the United States' 4 Nations team. [ESPN]
    • One team to look out for appears to be the Philadelphia Flyers. GM Danny Briere recently said that they traded those two players to the Flames to clear up cap space, and recent reports say that the Flyers are going to go "big game hunting." [Broad Street Hockey]
    • The Senators might be a team to look out for. They have now won five straight games, have really rooted themselves in the Eastern playoff picture, and are doing this without Linus Ullmark, who should be returning soon. [NHL.com]

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    Hartman's decision to pile drive hurts us even more. Not only are we without the services of the gritty forward, who now has a month to work on his tan and golf game, but his cap number (according to google) is still an active hit. 

    Apparently, off ice suspensions do not count against the cap, but on ice suspensions are deemed "disciplinary action" and do count. Likely, this is why we had to put Kaprizov on LTIR, just to get a sub for Hartman in the lineup. Also, Hartzy is scheduled to return March 9th, 2 days after the TDL. 

    I really thought we'd somehow be able to swing (cap wise) a deal for Tuch. Nyquist was even less expensive. To me, it looks like we have no cap room to do anything! With Kaprizov out on LTIR, I'd suggest we start bringing up the kids to possibly debut. I'd start with Bankier and then Haight. Milne should get a 2nd chance, and I hope he will not play tentatively. I'd also try and sneak in The Wall to get some tutelage from MAF. I'm not sure if he is healthy again, yet, but the mental side is key for a goalie, and The Wall could certainly use some help in that department. 

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    Off topic-

    Yurov has recently scored in b2b games and is up to 12-12-24. He leads all forwards in SOGs and is tied for the lead in goals on his team. Metallurg is in 4th place in their division. 

    Recently, I said that he was leading their team in SOGs, which is incorrect, I simply didn't think defenders would have more. 2 defenders actually have more. In fact, on Metallurg, a defender is their top point getter. I'm not exactly sure about their strategy, but to me it seems odd that the top 2 defenders on the team would also be leading the team in SOGs.

    Yurov is now 3rd on the team in points for forwards. 

    Looking through the stats of the baby Wild, it appears that they have a huge minus problem. A good share of their forwards are worse than -10. Is it the goaltending? Is it the skater's play? Are they just a bad team? I suggest that McLean may be in trouble. This is 2 straight years that his team cannot really compete well with the A. They also aren't bursting at the seams to send guys to the NHL. If I'm Guerin, I might want to find a guy who's a bit more experienced and can shape this thing up. The baby Wild should not be a solid 6th in their division. 

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    I think anyone expecting the Wild to do anything at the deadline is starting to figure out what I did weeks ago: this is not the season to fuck around.  No space, all the injuries eating the cap, Hartman being dumb...we just have to wait out Kap coming back and Zeev (maybe) showing up.

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    1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Hartman's decision to pile drive hurts us even more. Not only are we without the services of the gritty forward, who now has a month to work on his tan and golf game, but his cap number (according to google) is still an active hit. 

    Apparently, off ice suspensions do not count against the cap, but on ice suspensions are deemed "disciplinary action" and do count. Likely, this is why we had to put Kaprizov on LTIR, just to get a sub for Hartman in the lineup. Also, Hartzy is scheduled to return March 9th, 2 days after the TDL. 

    I really thought we'd somehow be able to swing (cap wise) a deal for Tuch. Nyquist was even less expensive. To me, it looks like we have no cap room to do anything! With Kaprizov out on LTIR, I'd suggest we start bringing up the kids to possibly debut. I'd start with Bankier and then Haight. Milne should get a 2nd chance, and I hope he will not play tentatively. I'd also try and sneak in The Wall to get some tutelage from MAF. I'm not sure if he is healthy again, yet, but the mental side is key for a goalie, and The Wall could certainly use some help in that department. 

    I am not sure, but I think Hartman will count against the 23 players on the roster also, meaning the team cannot call anyone up to replace him. KK97's LTIR would cover any cap call up from Iowa. If I am right, we will probably see a bunch of 11-7 rosters come game day. The two weeks off will help players heal up if they are not participating in 4Nations.

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    5 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

    If only the Senators had traded for Brady Tkachuk, they might have stopped Ryan Hartman from driving their star's head into the ice.

    ...and the kicker is Hartman is 5'10 and Stutzle is 6'0.

    How'd that happen???

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    2 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    10 games is excessive. McDavid, a dirty player, recently got 3 for intentionally crosschecking a guy to the face.

    I think this is more due to history with Hartman, isn't this suspension 5? Along with other fines?

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    7 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

    I think this is more due to history with Hartman, isn't this suspension 5? Along with other fines?

    I heard 10 games and you're right his history I'm sure was taken into consideration. I sure don't think Hartzy needs to be traded because of it though. I still think he's a valuable piece and wouldn't trade him just to trade him.

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    11 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    I heard 10 games and you're right his history I'm sure was taken into consideration. I sure don't think Hartzy needs to be traded because of it though. I still think he's a valuable piece and wouldn't trade him just to trade him.

    That and he seemed rather proud of himself.  I'm sure the image of him smirking at the refs as the penalty was called came into play too.

    Penalties don't change anything unless they act as deterrents to the action.  You add up past history, the egregious and willfully violent act, and his reaction to it all, and 10 games seems fitting.

    I disagree on the valuable piece though.  If he can't stay in control and dial back his childish outbursts, then he's a liability.  I want the Hartman who will occasionally do stuff like reverse check Ehlers because he's lining Hartman up and Winnipeg was playing a physical game.  I saw that as mostly protecting himself, though there was a bit of FU in it.  I don't want the idiot who will throw sticks on the ice or drive players faces into the ice because he can control himself.  Gritty is fine.  Stupid is not.  If he can't stop being stupid, then he's going to cost us more points in the standings than he gains us unless he's having a good year - which he isn't.

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    1 hour ago, Tony Abbott said:

    If only the Senators had traded for Brady Tkachuk, they might have stopped Ryan Hartman from driving their star's head into the ice.

    you are too funny.

    are you saying that each team employs a psychotic moron and that it's irrelevant whether or not you have a deterrence on your line? or are  you saying that Brady is not a deterrence at all? or just trying to get your "group" to react to your post? i get it.

    or maybe that kap hasn't been brutally targeted time and time again cause no one can stand up for him and is now not really injured because of that?

    or is having Rossi and Zuccy as his linemates be just as deterring as if he had a Tkachuk? 

    no need to respond - just laugh

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    23 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    I am not sure, but I think Hartman will count against the 23 players on the roster also, meaning the team cannot call anyone up to replace him. KK97's LTIR would cover any cap call up from Iowa. If I am right, we will probably see a bunch of 11-7 rosters come game day. The two weeks off will help players heal up if they are not participating in 4Nations.

    According to google, his roster spot is not part of the 23, just his cap number. We may or may not have money to increase the roster, but I'd think with Kaprizov going LTIR, we could afford it. Might as well start investing in the kids as Iowa is once again going nowhere. Regardless of the outcome, 3 game stints of Bankier, Haight, Milne, Jiricek, Lambos, and maybe longer for The Wall, could at a minimum have them practice with the big club and show off where they're at.

    I'd put them in games and see them at full speed. There's not much else we can do, and Devin Shore just does not move the needle much. Neither do Jones and Boyd. They are not our future. It's time for the kids to seize an opportunity.

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    9 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    According to google, his roster spot is not part of the 23, just his cap number. We may or may not have money to increase the roster, but I'd think with Kaprizov going LTIR, we could afford it. Might as well start investing in the kids as Iowa is once again going nowhere. Regardless of the outcome, 3 game stints of Bankier, Haight, Milne, Jiricek, Lambos, and maybe longer for The Wall, could at a minimum have them practice with the big club and show off where they're at.

    I'd put them in games and see them at full speed. There's not much else we can do, and Devin Shore just does not move the needle much. Neither do Jones and Boyd. They are not our future. It's time for the kids to seize an opportunity.

    According to Russo he still counts against the 23 man roster and they can't call anyone up to replace him.

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    Once Hartman comes back just put him in the press box until he demands a trade and then if he doesn’t in offseason trade him or put him on waivers or buy him out. Do not ever play him again on this team.  He is a disgrace.  There is no place in hockey for that type of player and he has lost a step very fast.  Way overpaid.  

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    14 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

    According to Russo he still counts against the 23 man roster and they can't call anyone up to replace him.

    Looks like Google and it's AI assistant have also changed their decision. Who knew? I guess machines can change their minds!

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    12 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

    Once Hartman comes back just put him in the press box until he demands a trade and then if he doesn’t in offseason trade him or put him on waivers or buy him out. Do not ever play him again on this team.  He is a disgrace.  There is no place in hockey for that type of player and he has lost a step very fast.  Way overpaid.  

    I'm just wondering on your stance as far as the style of hockey the Wild should be playing? Are you a physical brand of hockey guy who likes finished checks and some of the violence of the game? Or are you more of a skill guy who thinks we should be playing more of a non-contact game?

    There's not much of a defense for Hartman who, from the right camera angle made every professional wrestler jealous on the faceoff move. In fact, we might even see that in an upcoming episode of RAW. It was definitely suspendable. However, there have been far more serious on ice incidents than this one. 

    I think the site is rather split on style of play. Many want a high flying skilled team where physical play is an afterthought. Others would far more rather see a physical checking game that has skill but also greasy goals. 

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I'm just wondering on your stance as far as the style of hockey the Wild should be playing? Are you a physical brand of hockey guy who likes finished checks and some of the violence of the game? Or are you more of a skill guy who thinks we should be playing more of a non-contact game?

    There's not much of a defense for Hartman who, from the right camera angle made every professional wrestler jealous on the faceoff move. In fact, we might even see that in an upcoming episode of RAW. It was definitely suspendable. However, there have been far more serious on ice incidents than this one. 

    I think the site is rather split on style of play. Many want a high flying skilled team where physical play is an afterthought. Others would far more rather see a physical checking game that has skill but also greasy goals. 

    Personally, I think we need a balance. Especially with Hynes' line rolling. With options, Hynes can send out a line based on who we're playing or what the situation is.

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    2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I'm just wondering on your stance as far as the style of hockey the Wild should be playing? Are you a physical brand of hockey guy who likes finished checks and some of the violence of the game? Or are you more of a skill guy who thinks we should be playing more of a non-contact game?

    There's not much of a defense for Hartman who, from the right camera angle made every professional wrestler jealous on the faceoff move. In fact, we might even see that in an upcoming episode of RAW. It was definitely suspendable. However, there have been far more serious on ice incidents than this one. 

    I think the site is rather split on style of play. Many want a high flying skilled team where physical play is an afterthought. Others would far more rather see a physical checking game that has skill but also greasy goals. 

    Physical guy with players that can skate.  Hartman style is not that. He is a cheap shot artist and is a disgrace.  Get him off the team.  

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