Wild, Rossi Still Far Apart in Contract Talks

40 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

is Rossi just letting him handle things until they're close?

I think most players do that. Most don't want to constantly be involved, that's why they pay the agents. Rossi is focusing on getting himself better for the upcoming year and his agent is focused on negotiating for the best deal he can get for his client. Seems like it's just part of restricted free agency unless you are a team that is happy to pay top dollar to resolve it early. Once the agent gets a deal he feels is more in line with what his client deserves, he'll bring an offer to Rossi.

Sounds like the agent is out shopping for offer sheets at this point, so that could help inform Rossi's side of the value they can accept in this negotiation. I highly doubt they sign an offer sheet elsewhere, but it's worth gauging team interest for places Rossi might consider going if he were to sign elsewhere.

52 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

59 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Also, I've been told Stankoven is quite a bit north of 165, and plays very aggressive.

 None of them were arbitration eligible.  I took Stankoven’s weight off of hockey reference.

I just confirmed on the current Carolina Hurricanes NHL site for 25-26 that they have Stankoven listed at 165 pounds. Could be updated at training camp, but they haven't changed his prior weight so far. I imagine he does play aggressively on the puck, but not physically via hits.

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

We do know that Tourgny loves him (Utah). Utah doesn't really have the money to offersheet him, but they certainly could propose a trade. Instead of Rossi, they went after JJ Peterka.

Rossi is a center .JJ Peterka a winger .

Plus trade did happen because Buffalo wanted a D man 

Roaster are built by position and depth chart not coaches view about a player 

1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

What specifically is wrong?

What other team think about Rossi we simply don't know

1) Offer sheet

2) Rossi as player 

3) Rossi s contract demands

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

My son watches the Canes regularly. He says he mixes it up very well. Perhaps that's in contrast to other Canes where they don't really register a lot of hits?

Stank got that dog in him.  He’s a short short king but bro plays an effective pro big boy hockey game.  Ie plays PP1 on a very good Carolina team.  He’s closer to Marchand than Rossi

They aren't far apart.  BG thinks he is worth 5 to 6 a year.  The league has pretty much said that as well.  How do we know that because nobody has offered him anything over 7 million a year.  Rossi's agent has always got top dollar for his players often over valued. Tyler Seguin for instance makes 9.5 million a year and that is the contract that you can say well he is a decent player everyone else you say that they are over paid.  

So, it is a game of chicken that Rossi is stuck in the middle of.  What he should do is take a deal from Minnesota that is over 5 and under 7 that brings him to free agency and then play for that big contract.  Put up a hundred points get paid your 10 million a year.  Until then be the Ironman for the Minnesota Wild. 

5 hours ago, goenzoy said:

6 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

What specifically is wrong?

What other team think about Rossi we simply don't know

 

1) Offer sheet

2) Rossi as player 

3) Rossi s contract demands

So because the information is simply not known, every guess is wrong?

That's silly. You can guess that something else is right, but you don't know what is wrong any more than the next person.

I don't know what contract Rossi will end up with, just like I didn't know what contract Kaprizov would sign as a restricted free agent, but I still got that right, both in years and AAV...because it made sense as the end point for that negotiation.

Don't panic!
Rossi will sign in between the next 2 weeks with the Wild 😉
Who wants to bet with me?

14 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I just confirmed on the current Carolina Hurricanes NHL site for 25-26 that they have Stankoven listed at 165 pounds. Could be updated at training camp, but they haven't changed his prior weight so far. I imagine he does play aggressively on the puck, but not physically via hits.

I don't think they'll change it. It's a bit frustrating to see the listed measurements and know they're not accurate. For instance, Ek is listed as 6'3" 207. Everyone can see he is north of 207. Liam Ohgren is listed at 187, but you can see he's filled out some since his draft which is what is listed here.

Maybe it is just eyeballing the player and knowing he needs strength and weight gain? Anyway, I'm betting Stankoven's actual weight is about 180. Could it be that Spurgy is actually that high too? 

I guess a player's measurements are just as important to protect as his injury status. All you get is LBI, or UBI. What if it's right in the middle? Dealer's choice? I think the solution is that HW sends in a guy on physical day to right down the weights and heights measured as they come in for camp. 

24 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I don't think they'll change it. It's a bit frustrating to see the listed measurements and know they're not accurate. For instance, Ek is listed as 6'3" 207. Everyone can see he is north of 207. Liam Ohgren is listed at 187, but you can see he's filled out some since his draft which is what is listed here.

Maybe it is just eyeballing the player and knowing he needs strength and weight gain? Anyway, I'm betting Stankoven's actual weight is about 180. Could it be that Spurgy is actually that high too? 

I guess a player's measurements are just as important to protect as his injury status. All you get is LBI, or UBI. What if it's right in the middle? Dealer's choice? I think the solution is that HW sends in a guy on physical day to right down the weights and heights measured as they come in for camp. 

MNFan, I think you have an unhealthy obsession with the bodies/weights/frame of the players.

13 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I don't know what contract Rossi will end up with, just like I didn't know what contract Kaprizov would sign as a restricted free agent, but I still got that right, both in years and AAV...because it made sense as the end point for that negotiation.

Well maybe plain wrong is maybe the wrong term . Plain unknown should fit better 

We are at least 5 weeks away from any news around offersheets and also the whole 

trade circus just started .So Rossi s fate will be still unknown for quite some time 

47 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Well maybe plain wrong is maybe the wrong term . Plain unknown should fit better 

We are at least 5 weeks away from any news around offersheets and also the whole 

trade circus just started .So Rossi s fate will be still unknown for quite some time 

I'm confident there are other teams who value Rossi, but so do the Wild, and they'll most likely leave cap space open and match any offer that might end up on an offer sheet--which is the main reason I don't think anyone will waste time signing Rossi to an offer sheet. If Guerin didn't value Rossi, he could have traded him already.

If other teams valued Rossi significantly more than the Wild, they could have blown away the Wild with a trade offer, but that didn't happen. Definitely a lot of unknowns, but I suspect they'll come together on an agreement as things play out.

18 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

If Guerin didn't value Rossi, he could have traded him already.

Rossi is without a contract so I m not that optimistic .

And trade did not happen because any GM would be a fool to give more then 2 draft picks ( 1st and 3rd ) 

Penguins and Sabres might be an option but they need to sort out Erik Karlsson first after Bowen Byram is settled now 

10 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Rossi is without a contract so I m not that optimistic .

So are Vilardi, McTavish, Kakko, Hughes, etc.  Still time.

1 hour ago, goenzoy said:

Well maybe plain wrong is maybe the wrong term . Plain unknown should fit better 

We are at least 5 weeks away from any news around offersheets and also the whole 

trade circus just started .So Rossi s fate will be still unknown for quite some time 

Rossi deal comes AFTER 97's deal (assuming that happens this Summer) so I expect to hear nothing on Rossi for another month or more.

28 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Rossi is without a contract so I m not that optimistic .

He's been offered $5M per season, which is more than much of the roster has in their deal. The Wild only have 2 forwards above $5.25M, Kaprizov and Boldy, and 3 defensemen. If his agent were willing to have Rossi sign close to that $5M-$5.25M range, they might have a deal done already. If they think they can get $7M AAV from the Wild, then they will have him unsigned until training camp because the Wild aren't going that high without an offer sheet forcing them there.

1 hour ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

going that high without an offer sheet forcing them there.

That is the only line what is important .Signing a 5.25 million contract does not do anything .Except it is a one year deal .But one year deal is risky so a player should only sign it very late ( training camp ) 

On 7/15/2025 at 1:39 PM, goenzoy said:

I know and I agree . One year deal are also very risky for the player.

But personally I think the bond is cut between GM and Rossi as player.

You need to move on to a place were you are wanted

I'd rather move on from the GM myself...

9 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

I don't think they'll change it. It's a bit frustrating to see the listed measurements and know they're not accurate. For instance, Ek is listed as 6'3" 207. Everyone can see he is north of 207. Liam Ohgren is listed at 187, but you can see he's filled out some since his draft which is what is listed here.

Maybe it is just eyeballing the player and knowing he needs strength and weight gain? Anyway, I'm betting Stankoven's actual weight is about 180. Could it be that Spurgy is actually that high too? 

I guess a player's measurements are just as important to protect as his injury status. All you get is LBI, or UBI. What if it's right in the middle? Dealer's choice? I think the solution is that HW sends in a guy on physical day to right down the weights and heights measured as they come in for camp. 

You are too used to looking at fat people.  There is NO WAY Stankoven is 180.  I doubt he is even 160. 

6 hours ago, goenzoy said:

Signing a 5.25 million contract does not do anything .Except it is a one year deal .

What do you mean it is a 1 year deal? They offered a 5 year deal.

4 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

What do you mean it is a 1 year deal? They offered a 5 year

Yes I know but there is no way Rossi will sign this .

Now there are even reports that Kaprisov contract need to be signed first

So Rossi will not sign before September I assume and max 2 years

Russo seems to think the Kaprizov deal is done they are just waiting for him to return from Russia as they want to make a big splash with him here when they announce the signing. Russo admits it's pure speculation on his part but he could be right. If that's the case then Billy knows where he is at with money left in the coffers. 

Knowing how CL and Billy operate I tend to think they couldn't help themselves but to release some sort of teaser that a big announcement is coming to smooth over the fans angst over the Christmas in July flop if in fact they knew the Kaprisov deal was done.  Speaking of, who here thinks it's possible for the Wild to over pay Kaprizov and if so what number would you consider to be an over pay? I think anything over $14M is an over pay and that $13M would be a much more comfortable number. Kaprisov's durability is questionable in my mind. My guess is Kaprisov or McDavid will be the next highest paid player in the NHL and each agent is waiting for the others number to come in. Theofanaus has a history of getting his clients every last penny. And of course CL's brilliant move of announcing to the world that no one will pay more for Kaprizov than the Wild almost guarantees and over pay if he stays here. The Wild are in the same position the Twins were with Joe Mauer. Sign him at whatever cost or the fans burn your house down. We all know how that worked out for the Twins. 

On 7/16/2025 at 11:08 AM, Pewterschmidt said:

MNFan, I think you have an unhealthy obsession with the bodies/weights/frame of the players.

Maybe so, but I am consistent!

Well, Vilardi just got 6 years and $7.5M AAV with Winnipeg.