New Team Linked to Wild's Marco Rossi in Trade Rumors

47 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Ohgren was a 2022 draft pick at #19 and doesn't turn 22 until January. There are roughly 20 players from that draft with more NHL points currently(including David Jiricek). He was highly productive in the AHL. He's about to play regularly for the Wild if they don't trade him for an upgraded player. He's a nice asset.

NHL fans didn't know how good Faber might be, but the Wild were paying attention and made a trade that the Wild fans wouldn't have imagined working out as well as it has, but it was a good trade.

Most people thought the Gustavsson deal was terrible when it was made, but Gus has been a top 10 goalie 2 out of 3 seasons for the Wild. After hearing trade talk last summer, I had said multiple times that trading Gus last offseason would have almost certainly been a terrible move, and Guerin ultimately didn't make the move. The value wasn't there for him, so he kept his player.

His entire his tenure has been saddled with contracts for Suter and Parise, never of which was close to being worth their contract value when Guerin became GM. I've been skeptical of plenty of moves, but many have worked out fine if not really well. If every good move is attributed to luck and every mediocre move is simply dumb, even when it achieves desired results of the GM, I'm not sure you can evaluate anything objectively.

 

 

All I see are excuses. Ohgren, we'll see. There is a reason he hasn't cracked the starting lineup yet. Probably not first round talent, as he was projected. Gustavsson was unnecessary if the Wild signed Fiala instead of Fleury. Talbot was just as good, if not better. The team as a whole would have been better. Remember the Wild leading the NHL in scoring? Wasn't that different and fun....for once. Faber was pure luck. Nobody knew how good he would be and he is showing that he is human more recently. We'll see how Jiricek pans out, but my money is on average or just another Klingberg. If that's the case, Billy got fleeced. Why was Columbus so eager to get rid of him? Is Billy smarter than other GM's in the league? Quite the contrary, he is out of his depth. His name and reputation as player is the only reason he has this job, his managing resume is pretty thin.

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I would say Bogosian worked out, he's way better than Addison.

Bogosian worked out, but that could be anyone, nothing special there. You do know that Billy traded FOR Addison....ouch.

Yeah Billy got Faber. He only played in Billy’s backyard for college. Billy also Traded for Addison  an A1st , walstead .  Is addy in the nhl anymore? Wally hasn’t done anything yet. So that trade is still to be determined .   Addy, lambos , hunt , o rourke were supposed to be the future. One can’t play in nhl and the others haven’t even sniffed it. Gus was a good trade but goalies are a crap shoot .  Billy got lucky. Billy gave a 2nd round prospect and more for brazeau.  Turning a 2nd into a 7 th . I forgot how much he overpaid for nyquist twice . Wasted assets to get Jo Jo . Gave away kulicov away for nothing only to go on and win two cups while Merrill sat in press box. Nico sturm was traded away for peanuts to keep I can’t play center Fred g and his stupid ntc contract. Sturm won a cup and we got the worst playoff player for 3 more years . Now his crown jewel 9 th overall center isn’t the one he wants because of size yet he could have drafted lundell .  Who is exactly the type of center needed to help ek . 
    Until billy get a f ing top 6 center which is what the wild have needed for 25 years , he’s done nothing.. He’s about to piss away his best asset Rossi for a mid to late 1st and 3rd . Which in turn he’ll use to trade for 7 th round 4 th line left wingers.  Real GMs make moves Billy is still  sitting at the kids table. An incompetent manager 

4 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

If Ogz gets traded (which I believe will happen). That’s an admission of failure when trading a nearly 22yr old first round pick 

now people will justify it as “you have to give up value to get value” which I agree with but in this circumstance if Wild like that first round pick they keep him and ride that cheap contract and extract the value. 

What I will never understand is Minnesota's infatuation with elite Swedes. There's been Euro guys MN doesn't take who end up being two-time Cup Champs by the time Rossi get's traded or goes to arbitration and then there's all the ones Brackett and Guerin have picked that are not a fit for the Wild. Now they wanna trade for the kinds of guys who they didn't select or let go while NoJo is again under contract. Figure that one out...

Guerin has job security and he's trolling us with MN's roller-coaster hockey ride of twists and turns only to arrive at the starting platform again after some kooky ups and downs and sideways banking. 

1 hour ago, Dean said:

Yeah Billy got Faber. He only played in Billy’s backyard for college. Billy also Traded for Addison  an A1st , walstead .  Is addy in the nhl anymore? Wally hasn’t done anything yet. So that trade is still to be determined .   Addy, lambos , hunt , o rourke were supposed to be the future. One can’t play in nhl and the others haven’t even sniffed it. Gus was a good trade but goalies are a crap shoot .  Billy got lucky. Billy gave a 2nd round prospect and more for brazeau.  Turning a 2nd into a 7 th . I forgot how much he overpaid for nyquist twice . Wasted assets to get Jo Jo . Gave away kulicov away for nothing only to go on and win two cups while Merrill sat in press box. Nico sturm was traded away for peanuts to keep I can’t play center Fred g and his stupid ntc contract. Sturm won a cup and we got the worst playoff player for 3 more years . Now his crown jewel 9 th overall center isn’t the one he wants because of size yet he could have drafted lundell .  Who is exactly the type of center needed to help ek . 
    Until billy get a f ing top 6 center which is what the wild have needed for 25 years , he’s done nothing.. He’s about to piss away his best asset Rossi for a mid to late 1st and 3rd . Which in turn he’ll use to trade for 7 th round 4 th line left wingers.  Real GMs make moves Billy is still  sitting at the kids table. An incompetent manager 

 

Florida loved Sturm so much he played a grand total of 3 playoff games after the first round, including one in the ECF and none in the Stanley Cup, averaging under 10 minutes a game when he played for a grand total of 3 shots on goal and zero points for the entire playoffs.  

7 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Most people thought the Gustavsson deal was terrible when it was made, but Gus has been a top 10 goalie 2 out of 3 seasons for the Wild. After hearing trade talk last summer, I had said multiple times that trading Gus last offseason would have almost certainly been a terrible move, and Guerin ultimately didn't make the move. The value wasn't there for him, so he kept his player.

I'm not sure everyone was saying that the CamBot trade was a bad deal.  I think the issue was more with we paid a hefty price for Flower, an aging vet on a cash strapped team and extended him 2x$3.5M for a guy who was never going to carry the full load.  CamBot, meanwhile was coming off a 49 game campaign where he posted a 2.76gaa with 0.911 s% and basically drug the damn team into the playoffs only to get the reigns yanked from his hands with Flower getting 5 of the 6 starts in the playoffs.  It absolutely reeked of nepotism/cronyism of a shitty GM finding soft landings for his buddies.

THEN after the extension, CamBot's wife posts a pissy tweet after the Flower extension which gets SillyG all riled up and he ships off CamBot to the first bidder for an unproven prospect. 

In hindsight, the wild were unable to unlock something from GusBus that the Senators weren't able to get at.  However, you can't deny that CamBot was coming off an hot season, and no where near washed up.  In 23-24 season with the Kings, CamBot again made the All Star Game after playing in 54 games and posting 0.913 s% on a 2.50 gaa.  He did that on a $1M contract.

Hell, at the start of the season we had people GusBus was washed and his 0.899/3.06 was going to continue to trend worse.  Plenty of the people were assuming that GusBus was dead weight, and a warm body holding a roster spot from Wally.

16 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

We'll see how Jiricek pans out, but my money is on average or just another Klingberg. If that's the case, Billy got fleeced. Why was Columbus so eager to get rid of him?

Columbus had to unload Jiricek because they promised him the NHL and sent him to the A. He wanted out. New GM took him up on his request and jettisoned him. Coincidentally, it looks very similar to what we did with The Wall. 

16 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

Bogosian worked out, but that could be anyone, nothing special there. You do know that Billy traded FOR Addison....ouch.

Yes, I realize Shooter traded for Addison. I would put this under the bad section, though, we picked up Lambos with the pick too. After seeing Lambos play in person, he's not far away from playing in St. Paul. 

9 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

I'm not sure everyone was saying that the CamBot trade was a bad deal.  I think the issue was more with we paid a hefty price for Flower, an aging vet on a cash strapped team and extended him 2x$3.5M for a guy who was never going to carry the full load.  CamBot, meanwhile was coming off a 49 game campaign where he posted a 2.76gaa with 0.911 s% and basically drug the damn team into the playoffs only to get the reigns yanked from his hands with Flower getting 5 of the 6 starts in the playoffs.  It absolutely reeked of nepotism/cronyism of a shitty GM finding soft landings for his buddies.

I hated the way Talbot was treated too. He earned the 1st start vs. Blues that year in the playoffs and it wasn't really that close. He got the harder starts and he performed better. He also had a good series vs. VGK before that. 

Flipping Talbot for Goose was a good move. Shooter knew Goose from his Pittsburgh days and may have had inside information on him. Talbot's agent did Talbot a huge disservice by making it public confronting Guerin on the draft floor. He tried to put his name out there instead of representing his client. Talbot paid the price. 

What were we able to unlock that Ottawa couldn't? A defensive corps that would actually play defense. That's all Goose needed. We saw what Goose was like when our NHL defensive corps was shifted to AHL defenders. It wasn't pretty. Goose is a good goalie in a structured system, and he needs to remember that when it comes time for an extension. He's a $5m goalie, tops,  and any other average goalie can come in here and put up similar numbers. This is a case where the system makes the goalie, not the other way around. 

The thing that has me a bit concerned in all this is that The Wall missed a year of development by being immediately sent down to the A because of injuries, and rarely brought back up (injuries to the team). If you want to fault Guerin for one specific thing, it is the last 2 seasons he has not paid attention to his cap to give himself a cushion. He did not learn from 2023-24 when he got too close to the cap. Instead he had the same problems last season. He needs to realize that there will be injuries and he will need to bring up some A guys to get us through.

17 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

All I see are excuses. Ohgren, we'll see. There is a reason he hasn't cracked the starting lineup yet. Probably not first round talent, as he was projected.

Yes, Ohgren has only outscored half of the picks from the 1st round of 2022, so "he's probably not a first round talent". Perhaps give him a little more time?

He wasn't a top 10 pick! His scoring pace is basically aligned with Tampa Bay's Conor Geekie(11th overall in 2022), but since the Wild were urgently trying to make the playoffs, they were relying heavily on veterans.

Geekie was getting his points playing with Brandon Hagel(90 points) and Brayden Point(82 points). Since he wasn't scoring at a substantially better pace than Ohgren, I guess Geekie also was not a 1st round talent, right?

13 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

Florida loved Sturm so much he played a grand total of 3 playoff games after the first round, including one in the ECF and none in the Stanley Cup, averaging under 10 minutes a game when he played for a grand total of 3 shots on goal and zero points for the entire playoffs.  

I honestly didn't even remember that Sturm was on Florida for this cup.

He has 2 cups now since the Wild traded him, but he's barely played in either of those cup runs. He was dead last(21st) for skater ice time with Colorado in 2022, and 20th in skater ice time for Florida--under 9 minutes per game with both.

Sturm is a solid 4th line player, but not really more than that. If I recall correctly, it seemed like most people liked the trade to get Tyson Jost at the time since he'd been a top 10 pick and many thought he had more upside than Sturm at that time.

I'd also say the Middleton trade worked out.

Getting free picks for taking on some salary was a smart thing to do.

We may not have seen the impact of some of the younger guys that we got for players like Zucker and Fiala, but it helped inject more early picks into our prospect pool and enabled us to take swings at players like Yurov and Wallstedt.  Yes, many of those players haven't shown anything in the NHL yet, but it was necessary to build that prospect pool.  It was time to move on from Zucker and Fiala seemed like he wanted out even before Guerin started making stupid comments on the radio about the situation.