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  • Yakov Trenin's Defensive Prowess Can Make the Wild More Consistent


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    Kalisha Turnipseed

    The Minnesota Wild’s signing of Yakov Trenin has the potential to be significant for several reasons. His playing style meshes with the team's desire to become more physical and energetic, particularly in their bottom six. Trenin plays with an edge and fits the bill as a player who can contribute defensively and offensively, which is critical for a team looking to improve its identity and competitiveness.

    Minnesota needs to play a high-energy, high-forechecking game and fight for second and third chances for 60 minutes. Guerin wants the team to play with that kind of grit. Trenin can provide that because he isn’t suited for a flashy, puck-carrying style. Trenin can play a high-tempo game but won't facilitate it. 

    Trenin's defensive capabilities could be a game-changer for the Wild’s struggling penalty kill. He will play a crucial role if he can help in this area because special teams often play a significant role in a team's overall success. His experience and performance against the Wild, including scoring a goal in a 6-1 blowout against the Wild this past February in a playoff battle, also shows that he can step up in critical games. 

    Guerin knows this team lacks the offensive skill to win by a large margin and play high-scoring games. So, it's up to them to play with discipline and for their goalies. Trenin wants the Wild to be back to playing their identity and go on a run. Trenin won't make a difference offensively, but he will help the Wild’s producers play with more intensity. 

    Furthermore, Guerin signed Trenin because he’s physically imposing. While the Wild are still managing the cap complications from their previous contracts, they want to build a more cohesive and competitive team that can eventually contend for the Cup. Trenin's four-year deal, which will take him through what is likely to be his prime years, indicates that the team is investing in players who can contribute to their long-term goals.

    However, signing Trenin also raises questions about the Wild's cap situation. With significant commitments already in place and the need to re-sign critical players like Kirill Kaprizov in the coming years, Guerin must navigate these challenges carefully to maintain flexibility. The concern is that while Trenin can help the team now, the financial implications may limit future moves if the Wild don’t manage them wisely.

    Trenin will help spark Ryan Hartman and Marcus Foligno, who the Wild are expected to play on their third line. Hartman made it clear that the Wild are no longer the hard-nosed team opponents don’t like playing against. Foligno is a physical shutdown winger at his highest value, and the Wild will need to figure out a way to keep him healthy by limiting his minutes. 

    What if the Wild play Liam Ohgren in Foligno’s spot on some nights? Trenin and Hartman can help mentor Ohgren to be an effective power forward with more scoring potential than the other two. Ohgren and Foligno can be involved in a rotation to avoid rushing Ohgren into a high role. 

    Can Trenin help Hartman play with more discipline? In 299 career games, Trenin only has 164 penalty minutes compared to Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played. Hartman’s a better player when he's not going to the penalty box. The Wild will need Hartman to produce in a depth role. He has the makeup to be in a shutdown role where he can agitate. Hartman will enjoy playing with Trenin.

    Can Trenin help someone like Marcus Johansson play with more of an edge? Johansson is ineffective when he plays a passive game. His speed keeps him in the top-six, and it looks like Guerin is putting faith in him to rebound and produce. Johansson will need ice time with Trenin to stay consistent for the whole season.

    What kind of spark will Trenin provide for Kaprizov’s production? Apparently, Kaprizov is pumped that Trenin will be on the team for the next four years. Kaprizov will need to take another offensive leap for people to take the Wild more seriously as a playoff contender. Minnesota will likely keep Kaprizov with Joel Eriksson Ek and Matt Boldy as they should. However, the Wild may play Trenin with Kaprizov, so Hynes has more line flexibility. 

    Can Trenin provide Marco Rossi, Marat Khusnutdinov, and Ohgren another valuable spark? Guerin wants the team to be grittier, and The Athletic’s Michael Russo reported that Rossi is sturdier and stronger. While Rossi’s under six feet tall, he will play with the heart of a 6-foot-3 center. Trenin can be another valuable mentor for Rossi. 

    Trenin's presence could help bolster the Wild's depth and contribute to a more aggressive playing style. However, how this fits into the larger financial picture will be crucial to monitor as the season progresses. Trenin's relationship with Kaprizov and the potential for on-ice chemistry could also be beneficial, adding more curiosity to how the Wild's roster develops.

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    Still 2 months away from season puck drop.  Can't wait to see camp open up and see who has worked hard over the summer months.  Looking forward to the season.  Trenin is a big body role player.  Should add some attitude to the lineup.  

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    "Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

    I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

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    17 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    "Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

    I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

    I'd be curious to see how many of those 577 PIMS came from 10-minute misconducts...hell, when he threw his stick after that OTL he picked up a 10-minute misconduct when the game was over.

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    18 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

    "Hartman’s 577 minutes in 580 games played"  

    I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

    Couldn't agree more, he is at his best when playing on the edge, being a pest, grinding on people but needs to know where that line is and not cross it. Being a pest is when he creates opportunities for himself and the team going the other way, not to mention getting others on the opposition off their game.

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    The Wild have just as many problems keeping goals away as they are scoring them, if not moreso.  I'm curious to see what happens.  It was interesting what happened when the Vikings went from not being able to stop anyone to having a terrifying blitz heavy and competent defense from one year to the next.  The Wild can at least get to average hopefully.

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    2 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

    'd be curious to see how many of those 577 PIMS came from 10-minute misconducts...hell, when he threw his stick after that OTL he picked up a 10-minute misconduct when the game was over.

    23-24, Hartman had 72 penalty minutes on 28 penalties w/ 27 penalties drawn.

    22-23, Hartman had 90 penalty minutes on 34 penalties w/ 29 penalties drawn.

    Total over 5 seasons, 359 penalty minutes on 142 penalties w/ 124 drawn.

    That's for 335 regular season games with the Wild. I'm guessing he has around eight 10-minute misconducts and a few 5 minute majors in there.

    Last season was one of his least penalized seasons(2nd lowest pace) with the Wild, and it was his best season in Net Penalties(Taken vs. Drawn).

    Last season was also his best faceoff(47.0%) season for the Wild since he started playing center regularly.

     

     

     

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    3 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    I sure wish Hartman would stay out of the box.  He is a savvy player that has real skill.  Go ahead and annoy the other guys but stay out of the box.  

    I don't mind him taking penalties, but he needs to be more disciplined in making sure he takes someone with him. Most of these penalties are weeny little stick things that drive a coach crazy. I like the agitation, just make sure you're not the only one headed to the box.

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    3 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

    but needs to know where that line is and not cross it.

    This is a problem that is not necessarily Hartman's fault. Due to the inconsistency of NHL refereeing these past couple of years, the line you talk about isn't straight, it's like a drunk man drew it. Sometimes the line moves mid game and Hartman then crosses it. Sometimes, it's just knowing the referees and how they call games, but with so many new ones out there, that takes some time and experience. I'm not saying Hartman hasn't deserved most of his penalties, but there are some where another guy just did the same thing and nothing happened.

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    I like Trenin and Lauko coming to the team. Last season we had a terrible problem: With $15m in penalties, we also had to ice 3 NHL lines and 1 AHL line. That's pretty rough. This season, we're going to get a couple of rookies with tenacity, and another couple of real NHL players to fill out the roster. 

    As for Trenin playing with Kaprizov, I believe this will happen but it will be when Heinzy doubleshifts Kaprizov with the 4th line to try and get that goal. If Trenin is playing on the 1st line with Kaprizov, this team is in big trouble!

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    4 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

    Still 2 months away from season puck drop.  Can't wait to see camp open up and see who has worked hard over the summer months.  Looking forward to the season.

    Yurov's season begins September 3rd in the KHL, so just a few weeks away. The first game of the season will be between Metallurg Magnitogorsk(Yurov's team), the 2023–24 Gagarin Cup Champions, and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, the 2023–24 Gagarin Cup runner up.

    Hope to see lots of highlights from Yurov this season.

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    48 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    we also had to ice 3 NHL lines and 1 AHL line.

    This is a great point and improvement from last season's Luchini/Letteiri/Just a guy line.  That's a high end AHL line, but an NHL tweener line.  Looking forward to Trenin and Lauko bringing the pain this season as NHL rough necks on the 4th line.  Upgrades over Dewar and Duhaime for the role they're asked to play.

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    11 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    This is a great point and improvement from last season's Luchini/Letteiri/Just a guy line.  That's a high end AHL line, but an NHL tweener line.  Looking forward to Trenin and Lauko bringing the pain this season as NHL rough necks on the 4th line.  Upgrades over Dewar and Duhaime for the role they're asked to play.

    Little known fact...Vinnie Letteiri is Lou Nanne's grandson. 

    Not many people know that.

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    So on paper it looks like Trenin is an upgrade at this point  

    Trenin-  43% face off ,  129 blocks,  705 hits , 142 take aways, 116 give aways , 13.57 average time on ice , 299 games   

    Duhaime -30.8 % face offs ,  73 blocks,  555 hits ,  59 take aways , 40 give aways -  10.35  average time on ice ,-  211 games 

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    23 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

    Little known fact...Vinnie Letteiri is Lou Nanne's grandson. 

    Not many people know that.

    Tino Letteiri was the MN Kicks goalie and he would sell GYROS etc at the Eagan 4rth of July celebration back in the day  had a few of those . 

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    3 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Yurov's season begins September 3rd in the KHL, so just a few weeks away. 

    In closer to home news, are we having another kids showcase in September?

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    6 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    The Wild have just as many problems keeping goals away as they are scoring them, if not moreso.  I'm curious to see what happens.  It was interesting what happened when the Vikings went from not being able to stop anyone to having a terrifying blitz heavy and competent defense from one year to the next.  The Wild can at least get to average hopefully.

    As a lifelong (32 years) Vikings fan, please refrain from using analogies and comparing the Wild to them. They have been pretty disappointing to say the least…

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    All I meant by it was a couple years ago, the Vikings defense was like record breaking awful.  They got by thanks to scraping wins out of nowhere until getting Daniel Jones the contract of his life by sucking wind.  Flores comes in, and suddenly, it's not as bad.  I mean.  My analogy was you can't really get much worse than a PK that for some of the year was nearing the record worst percentage.

    I'm not saying the Wild are going to suddenly go from 30th to 2nd or whatever.   But any improvement is very welcome.

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    On 8/13/2024 at 2:53 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    23-24, Hartman had 72 penalty minutes on 28 penalties w/ 27 penalties drawn.

    22-23, Hartman had 90 penalty minutes on 34 penalties w/ 29 penalties drawn.

    Total over 5 seasons, 359 penalty minutes on 142 penalties w/ 124 drawn.

    That's for 335 regular season games with the Wild. I'm guessing he has around eight 10-minute misconducts and a few 5 minute majors in there.

    Last season was one of his least penalized seasons(2nd lowest pace) with the Wild, and it was his best season in Net Penalties(Taken vs. Drawn).

    Last season was also his best faceoff(47.0%) season for the Wild since he started playing center regularly.

    Had a little free time at work today and reading the comments made me curious...

    Through the course of his career, which includes playoffs (627 total PIM), Hartman has;

    10 minute misconduct- 120 minutes

    Tripping- 94 minutes

    Roughing- 78

    Fighting- 75

    Interference- 52

    Slashing- 50

    Hooking- 40

    High Sticking- 26

    Holding- 24

    Cross Check- 20

    Unsportsman Like- 10

    Embellishment- 8

    Delay of Game- 8

    Boarding- 8

    Holding Stick- 4

    Charging- 4

    Instigating- 4

    In case you have not fallen asleep yet, as you might expect, the majority of all players penalties will come against divisional opponents with Dallas leading the way at 52 minutes.

    Other teams outside the division that seem to get him angry are Edmonton at 47 min, Carolina at 34 min, New Jersey at 32 min, Vegas at 32 min, & San Jose at 31 min 

     

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