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    Tom Schreier

     

    In May, Bill Guerin declared his goal wasn’t to make it to the second round because the NHL won’t put the Minnesota Wild’s name on the Stanley Cup for winning a playoff series. In October, he locked Marcus Foligno, Mats Zuccarello, and Ryan Hartman into long-term contracts with no-move clauses. At the season's midpoint, Guerin declared that he wouldn’t “wave the white flag” even though the Wild were outside the playoff picture.

    Guerin’s point about the second round is that he didn’t construct the roster to only win one playoff series. He’s trying to build a contender. However, he’s locking veterans into long-term deals for cost certainty because he bought Zach Parise and Ryan Suter out. Therefore, the Wild have roughly $15 million in dead cap this year and next. Guerin said he wouldn’t give up on this season because he believes in the roster he’s built. Also, he can’t. He’s locked most of the players he’d trade into long-term deals.

    Catch the Wild on the right day, and Guerin looks like a genius. They beat the defending champion Vegas Golden Knights on the road on February 12. Five days later, Joel Eriksson Ek and Kirill Kaprizov had hat tricks in a 10-7 win over the Western Conference-leading Vancouver Canucks. Last Friday, Minnesota beat Connor McDavid and the Edmonton Oilers in Alberta. The Wild have won seven of their last nine games since the All-Star Break and continue to hover close to the final wild-card spot.

    How could Guerin not believe in this roster? How could anyone doubt them?

    Because he’s created hockey’s most chaotic team. Catch them at the wrong time, and they look hopeless. The Wild lost seven straight games in November and got Dean Evason fired. They won their first four games under John Hynes before losing in Vancouver and Edmonton. Minnesota won its next four, then dropped eight of their next nine. They won three straight before the break but dropped crucial games to the Nashville Predators and Anaheim Ducks. The Wild beat Vegas and lost to the Buffalo Sabres; they stormed back to beat Vancouver and lost in Winnipeg.

    We don’t know what the Wild are because they don’t have an identity. They’re offensive juggernauts one night and can’t score the next. They can hang with the best teams in the West, then lose to Anaheim and Buffalo. But the one constant is that this team seems to genuinely like each other. It helps that Guerin paid everyone. Winning and money make everyone happy, and the Wild seem to win enough to offset the frustration of their frequent losing streaks. 

    Still, it’s hard to say Guerin has done everything he can to build a good culture. Guerin “mutually parted ways” with his cap guy, and the NHL investigated Guerin for verbal abuse earlier this year. But the front office turmoil hasn’t seeped into Minnesota’s play on the ice. Whether the players moved on from the news quickly or have fully isolated themselves, they seem to navigate most of the adversity they face with aplomb. 

    But it might not be enough to get them into the playoffs. The Wild stacked the odds against themselves early by losing so frequently under Evason, then continued to compound the issue by playing inconsistent hockey. But they are resilient. That’s a trait any front office would want in its team. So why don’t more general managers take Guerin’s approach and lock everyone in?

    In many ways, Guerin is acting out of necessity. He has chosen to try to build a winner while the team is in cap hell. Therefore, he values cost certainty. But imagine if Guerin had an extra $15 million to work with. He could have Kevin Fiala ($7.875 million cap hit), Matt Dumba ($3.9 million), and [italics] additional cap space. Hynes could put Marco Rossi on a line with Fiala when he has Kaprizov, Eriksson Ek, and Matt Boldy on the top line. Rossi would have a scoring wing on his line, and Dumba would shore up Minnesota’s blue-line depth.

    I know that’s not how it works. The Wild wouldn’t have Brock Faber and his boundless energy eating up minutes if they hadn’t traded Fiala, and Dumba became a cap casualty. But the issue with Guerin’s approach isn’t that he overspent on Marcus Johansson, Alex Goligoski, and John Merrill. Every team has bad contracts. It’s that Guerin has no contingency plan. He’s tied Minnesota’s fate to Foligno, Zuccarello, Hartman, and Frederick Gaudreau, four players he could have moved at this year’s deadline.

    The Wild easily could lose in the first round again. They’re a one-line team relying on 39-year-old Marc-Andre Fleury because Filip Gustavsson is having a down year. Minnesota could also miss the postseason altogether. It’s hard to win in the playoffs when an opposing team can dedicate all its resources to stopping Kaprizov’s line. We’ve seen that before. The only tried-and-true method for one-line teams to go on playoff runs is to lean on a hot goaltender. That’s a lot to ask of Fleury.

    If this team loses in the first round for the eighth time in nine seasons or their season ends on April 18, the Wild will also have missed an opportunity to draft a scoring wing to pair with Rossi. Therefore, opponents will continue to focus on limiting Kaprizov. By locking many of his veterans into long-term deals, Guerin had to go all in on a flawed team without an identity. He had [italics] to believe in them. Missing the playoffs is a failure, given the opportunity cost of missing out on a high pick. So is losing in the first round.

    Guerin has made reaching the second round the Wild’s Stanley Cup.

     

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    57 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    At the time of that trade LA's farm system was loaded with potential talent. I highly doubt Brock Faber was the first person the Wild asked for, for an 80+ point young skater. I can say with a good amount of confidence LA would have given up other talent That may have looked more appealing at the time had they or anyone known what Faber could bring to the rink overall and especially in such quick fashion. If anyone had known, he would have been a 1'st rounder and not a 2'nd.

    I think the 1st was the main thing in the trade, Brock was the sweetener, for a guy that the league knew wasn't going to be coming back. The same argument could be made that if people knew who and what Kap was going to be who he is now he wouldn't have been there in round 5. So by that argument, nobody has any idea and they are just tossing darts? LA also had a say in who to trade, but, unless I missed it, we probably will never know what was all discussed as options. But hey, better to be lucky than good?

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    10 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    It wasn't all luck. Part of it was good planning for his 25-26 season. Faber and Gustavsson were both young talents that were likely to be NHL contributors when Guerin was trying to get this team ready for contention.

    He certainly couldn't have known either would contribute as good of a season as each has already with the Wild, but it wasn't purely luck. He could have done a lot of different deals, but chose the upside of the talented young players he could obtain in Faber and Gustavsson.

    I'll just add the BG is on record saying, on the Gus deal, he took the first fair offer that came along. That in my estimation was luck. Reading between the lines his temper got the best of him, not a stretch to assume that, and he just wanted T bot gone.

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    1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    If "ifs" and "but's" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a fun Christmas.  Benito "don't call me Musolini" Guerin get's no credit for 97 (Fletcher) or Boldy (Fenton).  Rossi? yes.  But all Rossi has proven is that he's a middle six C (thru 3/4 season).  Faber? yes.  Faber looks like we'll be retiring his jersey someday.

    But before we crown BG's ass with a can't miss prospect pool let's see some of them make it to the big league as more than placeholders.  paging Lambos (1st round)?  paging Hunt (3rd rd)? paging O'Rourke (2nd rd)?

    If one wants to join the IBGIT club K-Nut has to arrive and take a spot in top 9 immediately.  he's old enough and has enough seasoning in KHL to contribute upon arrival.  Too soon to put down the gauntlet on Yurov, Ohgren, Stramel, Wallstedt (a consensus can't miss prospect), Peart, Bankier, Haight, Lorenz but clock is ticking on these names too.  Performance has to meet the hype, or you're just another member in the Wild marketing dept.

    Guerin trimmed the fat early on with some lesser trades, but picked up Middleton and other playoff rentals for little to no cost future-wise. His Talbot signing amongst other contracts like Ek, Spurgeon, Boldy, and Hartman all looked really good. Had Greenway sign a reasonable/tradable contract and moved him when the time came. I'm not super happy about the big picture results yet. Guerin did turn things around from where the Wild were, which was nearing Ottawa/Buffalo type dysfunction then. The Wild became winners again and overachieved. Now they've had one sideways season while under cap-constraints and they're still pretty good many nights. Their prospects are pretty okay and they have core pieces locked up for the most part. I don't love all the draft picks, there's some questions there for me but I also don't care if Guerin said mean things to somebody. The Wild are pretty decent and look okay going forward. Yurov will be with the Wild soon enough, one must wait til the season ends before expecting Yurov/Guerin to have talks. The kid is chasing a record and trying to win in the KHL playoffs...

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    1 hour ago, Protec said:

    but I also don't care if Guerin said mean things to somebody.

    But wasn't it a pretty big deal to you when Fenton was doing it? It was to many fans, but with BG it's nothing?

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    2 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

    I think the 1st was the main thing in the trade, Brock was the sweetener, for a guy that the league knew wasn't going to be coming back. The same argument could be made that if people knew who and what Kap was going to be who he is now he wouldn't have been there in round 5. So by that argument, nobody has any idea and they are just tossing darts? LA also had a say in who to trade, but, unless I missed it, we probably will never know what was all discussed as options. But hey, better to be lucky than good?

    Yes, the 1'st was the main thing. Yes, The same goes for Kap, but it seemed your point was that BG knew what he was doing in getting Faber. I doubt he knew how that would turn out. LA certainly didn't or he wouldn't be in a Wild uni.

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    16 hours ago, Protec said:

    Guerin trimmed the fat early on with some lesser trades, but picked up Middleton and other playoff rentals for little to no cost future-wise. His Talbot signing amongst other contracts like Ek, Spurgeon, Boldy, and Hartman all looked really good. Had Greenway sign a reasonable/tradable contract and moved him when the time came. I'm not super happy about the big picture results yet. Guerin did turn things around from where the Wild were, which was nearing Ottawa/Buffalo type dysfunction then. The Wild became winners again and overachieved. Now they've had one sideways season while under cap-constraints and they're still pretty good many nights. Their prospects are pretty okay and they have core pieces locked up for the most part. I don't love all the draft picks, there's some questions there for me but I also don't care if Guerin said mean things to somebody. The Wild are pretty decent and look okay going forward. Yurov will be with the Wild soon enough, one must wait til the season ends before expecting Yurov/Guerin to have talks. The kid is chasing a record and trying to win in the KHL playoffs...

    Yeah seems like we've got a pretty stellar top-line now and the 2nd line should be easy to complete once Yurov arrives, whether that's next season or the one after. They can replace Zuccy with their cap-space in '26-'27 if Khusnutdinov or Heidt/Oghren aren't ready for the top-6 yet. They've got a solid 3rd line locked down with Hartman/Gaudreau/Foligno. 4th liners are a dime a dozen and Billy's got no problems finding contributors there. 

    On the blue-line, we've got Faber/Middsy/Spurgy/Brodin and likely Chisholm as future top-4 quality defensemen. Only question is who the 6th guy is, whether that's a future vet like Bogo or a guy from the AHL like Lambos or Hunt step up their game. 

    And honestly they've got a great shot to fill that 6th D or top-6 forward opening with their draft pick this year. Especially if they end up in the top-10. 

    In net we've got Gus and soon to be Wallstedt, who hopefully improves from what we saw against Dallas to give us a legit 1-2 punch in net. 

    For all the whining about the contract extensions Guerin gave out, the future of the roster still looks pretty damn bright! 

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    22 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I don't think we've even touched the surface on "Guerin's" model. Included in this model has to be protecting the prospects, reloading on the fly, and not giving up your top picks in trades. Instead, we're going into the weeds on parting ways with the cap guy, when we don't even really know what happened.

    After the Fenton era, I think Leipold was clear about what he wanted: He wanted a playoff team while reloading for a contention run. Guerin came up with a plan to get this done, but it was going to take longer than 3 years. 

    He has drafted and marinated his prospects, building a consistently high draft pool, while not trading them out and not bringing them up too early. He started with best players available with a concentration in building from the back out. Last offseason, he ended it by going strong down the middle with size.

    Because Leipold demanded playoff invitations, Guerin was forced to draft past 16, and he fielded teams that overperformed into the 20s. He acquired 2 extra 1sts, and a couple of extra 2nds along the way. But, drafting from that point, it was likely that each prospect would take 5 years to develop. He got lucky with the Covid year, as it truly scrambled the drafts and was able to pick up players who were better, later. Will they all pan out? Hopefully but that is an incomplete at this point of the grade. 

    Then, to address a contingency plan, well, simply put, you do not have the luxury of a contingency plan when you're down $15m in cap space. For it to work, you've got to hit on health luck, your decisions are decent, and players that punch above their cap numbers. If any of these falters, you will have problems (like this year). Could Guerin have waited to resign the guys? Yes. Should he have? Yes. Cost certainty wasn't that big of a question. Should length have been shorter? Yes on Zuccarello, about right on Hartman, yes by a year on Foligno. Gaudreau's contract was a non-factor, and Johansson was too. 

    Making plans for when to fill the placeholders spot with prospects is really the key to all of this. It is very hard to time this out. For instance, would Yurov be ready at 20, 21 or 22? How long would Lambos take to develop? How long would The Wall? Where the mistake may have come in was the designations attached to the contracts, but, perhaps that was necessary to keep the cap numbers down? With a rising cap, market prices are also expected to rise, and that doesn't give an exemption for a penalized team. 

    Also, the 3 extended players from the fall are probably guys who will pass on the torch to the up and coming, and teach them how to play. While Kaprizov speaks Russian, Zuccarello is probably a better mentor. Foligno will be a mentor for Stramel and Kumpulainen, Hartman is just plain hard to play against. But, having those guys who want to be here and pass on the culture is important, and they were identified as such. 

    Let's just say that they regress. Let's pretend that they make up a 4th line late in their extensions. You've got guys who are very talented on ELCs or bridges up in the lineup. Those 4th line guys will be valuable, likely at playoff time. 

    While things may look a little chaotic around the transition time, that's to be expected. Change many times brings chaos, and can look messy. My hope is that Guerin will know the right time to bring in the newbies. And, it would be nice if the newbies have seasons like Rossi's now, or Faber's now.

    I agree we should wait and see with Guerin.  He has had some pretty average teams (with one confirmed superstar) look pretty good in the regular season.  He's had the excuse of the buyouts, although that is a problem he created for himself. 

    So if once he gets out from under that, successfully signs 97 long-term and gets to the Conference championship, I'm thinking wait and see on whether anyone wants to emulate him.  I'd say by 2029 we have something or move on.

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    21 hours ago, KaprizovKhusnutdinovYurov said:

    Looking at the numbers, if they had been traded instead of bought out after the 2020-21 season, the number is actually $20.153 million, not $19.692 million.

    Are we assuming that we had kept Parise, or that we had traded him? That assumption factors in completely to the cap recapture. I assumed we had kept him, in which case the recapture was ticking down every year. If we had traded him, like Weber was, the signing team would have had something like what is listed above. But, as was later clarified in the CBA, no yearly total could have gone higher than the player's original cap hit. 

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    6 minutes ago, jabuyer said:

    him.  I'd say by 2029 we have something or move on.

    I’d say Benito’s genius is convincing OCL to give him a 10 year wait and see runway to evaluate BG’s performance.  Starting with the buyouts.   Not accusing BG of doing anything wrong.  Just jealous I guess.  Who gets that much runway at work?   This fan requires a high top 6 success rates and post season success starting with K nut’s arrival. 

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    20 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

    There are peoples whos job is to know and be informed, while there is luck involved if they just fall off a cliff, or get injured, or over preform I don't think it is fair to chalk up everything to luck, unless you mean "Luck is when skill meets opportunity".  Perhaps I am ignorant in thinking that BG and team have some sort of idea of what they are doing and not just lucky.

    I think we may have some inside information on this. Guerin, who admittedly is not a goalie guy, was around the room when the Pens drafted Goose2. So, he had some familiarity with the player. Yes there's luck, but this falls into the category of educated guess.

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    19 hours ago, B1GKappa97 said:

    Gus was definitely just luck. I don't know that anyone could've predicted he'd have had the season he did last year. I am pretty sure Geurin even admitted that he was not expecting that when he made the trade. He likely was just expecting more of a backup goalie to spell MAF, not to land an upgraded goalie. Though, to be fair to Gus, he did post up eerily similar numbers in the SHL as Wallstedt, who we'd just drafted, did. 

    B1G, if you go back to look at my comments at the time, probably now permanently erased in the Vox black hole, I was very optimistic that we had gotten Goose2, I thought he would rebound and was in a poor situation in Ottawa, and that he did have similar stats to The Wall in the SHL. Obviously, Guerin had more information than I did in a quick little statistical search. 

    Yes, some luck was involved, and Goose2 got on quite a roll. Goalies can be streaky and confidence plays a huge factor. The main thing that happened here, I believe, is that Goose2 felt like he was wanted. Our goalie coach was able to fix his tendency to play deep in the net, probably something he still needs to be reminded of. 

    It also was said/admitted by Goose2 that before the trade, he thought he was headed back to Sweden after his contract expired with Ottawa. This was not a goalie in a confident frame of mind when we got him. But, he quickly transformed after the 1st month of transition. He still has some issues, but, he is a solid keeper.

    This was far more than just luck!

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    18 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    I'll just add the BG is on record saying, on the Gus deal, he took the first fair offer that came along. That in my estimation was luck. Reading between the lines his temper got the best of him, not a stretch to assume that, and he just wanted T bot gone.

    This kind of makes you wonder how many unfair offers were presented? One would think that if it was a temper thing, he might have taken one of the unfair ones to get Talbot off his plate?

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    16 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    But wasn't it a pretty big deal to you when Fenton was doing it? It was to many fans, but with BG it's nothing?

    I don't think both are comparable. Fenton's stuff was outlandish and trading guys without checking with scouts and stuff was not the way to go. Morale was in the pits. I don't see the same thing with Guerin on this. Yes, he can be a bear when losing, but he also doesn't think he's always the smartest guy in the room either. Is he competitive, yes! He wears that on his sleeve! But I'd bet morale is far better under Guerin than under Fenton.

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    26 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I’d say Benito’s genius is convincing OCL to give him a 10 year wait and see runway to evaluate BG’s performance.  Starting with the buyouts.   Not accusing BG of doing anything wrong.  Just jealous I guess.  Who gets that much runway at work?   This fan requires a high top 6 success rates and post season success starting with K nut’s arrival. 

    A GM's runway needs to be lengthy in this sport. 

    1. stability is a key to success
    2. unless you are drafting 3 straight year in the top 10, you're not seeing your fruit for the 1st 5 years
    3. A GM that has an owner's patience can put forth a good longterm plan
    4. With a terrible hand, Guerin has accomplished the owner's goal of making it to the playoffs each year

    The trajectory is up, even though it's not sky rocketing, it is headed in the improvement category, even with this year. He has kept the early round picks, not traded away the prospects and is building and developing a very good organization. If he left now, the organization would be in better shape than when he arrived.

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    28 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    I don't think both are comparable. Fenton's stuff was outlandish and trading guys without checking with scouts and stuff was not the way to go. Morale was in the pits. I don't see the same thing with Guerin on this. Yes, he can be a bear when losing, but he also doesn't think he's always the smartest guy in the room either. Is he competitive, yes! He wears that on his sleeve! But I'd bet morale is far better under Guerin than under Fenton.

    Maybe, but I'm not quite so sure on that. Players spoke out about the Wild sitting T Bot in the Blues series. The two guys the Wild lost because the of the investigation were by all accounts well liked and respected by the players and staff and one was pretty well linked to the players on an almost daily basis.

    That whole thing has been under wraps about as much as it could be. I don't believe BG ever spoke about it publicly or has ever even been asked about it by reporters. I haven't seen any evidence either way that the players weren't effected by it. 

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    15 hours ago, Sviginak said:

    Some of the negative fandom from the Athletic must be moving to the Wilderness through osmosis. Capice?

     

    It's always been here. The Hartman hate and now Freddie hate, hell some were starting to go after KK early in the season. Deano had been under attack for all of his time here. Everything bad was Deano, everything good was BG and now that Deanos gone and they can't blame him they lash out at any Guerin derision. 

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    54 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    He has kept the early round picks, not traded away the prospects

    I have trouble giving Guerin a bunch of credit for this.  This is in the GM handbook under the chapter: “Don’t shoot yourself in the foot”

    Because we watched Fletcher run the org so poorly (and again in PHI) simply speaks to how inept Fletcher was

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    On 2/27/2024 at 11:24 AM, mnfaninnc said:

    But, the other thing to consider was the protections of the Seattle expansion draft, so we would have had to keep Parise and let some else be exposed. Does Seattle still take Soucy?

    No.  Because if Suter and Parise were still on the team, the additional odd men out that wouldn't have been protected would have been two players out of Eriksson Ek, Fiala, and Dumba because of who we would have been forced to protect (unless one or both would have waived that clause).

    The buy-outs keep coming up, but people don't think about the consequences of what we would have likely lost.  Losing either Eriksson Ek or Fiala at that time wouldn't have us anywhere near where we are now.

    Simply put, we'd be worse off and our future would be less bright.  The buy-outs were for the better.

     

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    6 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I have trouble giving Guerin a bunch of credit for this.  This is in the GM handbook under the chapter: “Don’t shoot yourself in the foot”

    Because we watched Fletcher run the org so poorly (and again in PHI) simply speaks to how inept Fletcher was

    Classic argument that Fletcher/Fenton is so bad, the next guy appears to be a genius. That's exactly the objective I hoped the Wild would accomplish. :classic_laugh:

    In other words, Guerin could be just another run of the mill GM. I don't reject that idea entirely, but is it realistic to expect Guerin as a new GM to show up and bat 1000%, taking the Wild straight to a Cup? Three coaches and a bunch of roster changes later, the Wild are nowhere near as aimless and sad as in 2018 or 2019 when Rask had years left on his 4M hit and Boldy was had like 6 points at BC. 

    I think the criticism is acceptable but Guerin has not been bad for MN. Given who was up for the job then, Guerin or Fitzgerald would have been okay. They've both been okay, and YES it's way better than XGMCF or Doofy himself which is totally fine by me.

    "Did you see that, it was like a Norske-Lizard out there" says Fenton...

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    21 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    That whole thing has been under wraps about as much as it could be. I don't believe BG ever spoke about it publicly or has ever even been asked about it by reporters. I haven't seen any evidence either way that the players weren't effected by it. 

    Wouldn't this be covered in an NDA which the guy probably had to sign to get his severance? They don't need to talk about it, at this time, it's buried in the HR archives, probably under "sealed documents."

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    21 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Because we watched Fletcher run the org so poorly (and again in PHI) simply speaks to how inept Fletcher was

    Yet, when Fletcher left, the organization was better off than when he took over. Fenton left having blown it up and no idea if Boldy would be Boldy. While that chapter is a good one, how many GMs hedge their bets and "have to have" certain guys?

    I would suggest that Guerin has stayed pretty disciplined here and realized what phase of building he is in. The "Fill The Cupboards, Developmental" stage is nearing its end. Fletcher's issue was he jumped the gun a bit because with our owner, after the Parise/Suter signings, he felt like we had to make the playoffs. 

    What might have happened had Fletcher resisted and concluded we're almost there, and had Coyle, Zucker, Granlund, Haula remain in Iowa just a bit longer? Would we have figured out who Coyle really was? Could Dumba have used a little more time in the A? 

    I get that sometimes opportunity comes knocking and you have to alter your plans, but couldn't Parise/Suter have waited one more year? For this, I believe, Guerin does deserve credit. People pick on him moving Rossi back down, he had to, Rossi wasn't ready to compete. Beckman, this year, was a victim of circumstance where he got injured at the wrong time. And still, Guerin keeps marinating the kids, allowing them the opportunity to get stronger and better. Why wouldn't he deserve credit for this?

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    44 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Wouldn't this be covered in an NDA which the guy probably had to sign to get his severance? They don't need to talk about it, at this time, it's buried in the HR archives, probably under "sealed documents."

    BG should have addressed it at least somewhat. is what I'm saying. Ya, I doubt the the two departing guys could say anything about it, which would tell me  the team team wants to sweep it under the rug and move on from an embarrassing situation especially since the last GM was let go for the same thing.

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    24 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

    BG should have addressed it at least somewhat. is what I'm saying. Ya, I doubt the the two departing guys could say anything about it, which would tell me  the team team wants to sweep it under the rug and move on from an embarrassing situation especially since the last GM was let go for the same thing.

    Willy, isn't this typical in corporate America? If a guy gets canned, most companies are not spilling the beans on him. If another HR guy calls trying to hire him, most prior HRs just admit he worked there and there is no recommendation or condemnation. 

    Bill Guerin owed us absolutely no explanation on things. O'Hearn owed us no explanation. Logistics guy owed us no explanation and probably can't or his severance is gone. This kind of stuff stays within the organization all the time in all sectors of business. 

    Why would you think you are owed any kind of explanation? That's just not how this works, not how any of this works! Even if the reporters asked Guerin in private what happened, they probably never were given a straight answer. So, they report nothing because there's nothing to report.

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